MTG Salvation

Although I am leaving my vote on you for a second because Plum it is beyond naive to place yourself in another person's shoes, especially if you are town. Like Hunger is not you. To see yourself in another player and identify so much with them is very dangerous. I don't like your logic there at all.

But uh Menu what in the hell are you on about? That wasn't a scummy post by Plum at all. Like I voted him as a joke.

But plum, hunger isn't you. His playstyle is completely different from yours. Just because you would say the cactus thing, doesn't mean this guy would. And I do think his "lets lynch SNL for his flip even though he's town" thing was an attempt to have a town thought process, yeah

The most damning thing is how he clearly is suspicious of Chris right before Chris votes him, then suddenly thinks Chris is town after

You have to remember we caught him off guard here, he was not expecting 3 votes on him near the end of the day with an SNL train happening. He was thrown off and totally forgot that he had to act like those votes might be from scum.

Menu you aren't very good at scum hunting, are you? I mean... I have gone back and forth on Plum a little bit, but er... scum don't tend to actually call for their lynches. I think you may need to get better skills here.

Speaking of

/Unvote
/Vote Hunger

Quote from MenuWars

I wasn't following your lead at all Chris... I don't see that post meaning what others are getting from it... It's a finishing statement, it's a secluded thought, if it was meant to pertain to the context of him being hunger it makes no sense being there at all.

As opposed to if plum is scum, in which case it makes perfect sense.

Menu if you read his post it was pretty clear what he meant. I mean... yeah basically you are crazy talking right now Menu.

Good news is I think it makes you town but!

Quote from Dels

But plum, hunger isn't you. His playstyle is completely different from yours. Just because you would say the cactus thing, doesn't mean this guy would. And I do think his "lets lynch SNL for his flip even though he's town" thing was an attempt to have a town thought process, yeah

The most damning thing is how he clearly is suspicious of Chris right before Chris votes him, then suddenly thinks Chris is town after

You have to remember we caught him off guard here, he was not expecting 3 votes on him near the end of the day with an SNL train happening. He was thrown off and totally forgot that he had to act like those votes might be from scum.

No.

Chris' attack on me felt like it came completely from town and I said that at the time. Further that, the comment to menu about attacking people as town and then the comments about showing his hand and being in the zone were super towny. I read it as he had been trying to stay safe through Day 1, but became so confident in his attack on me he didn't care about wearing his towniness on his sleeve. I no longer think he is scummy and the misgivings I had earlier was probably picking up on his trying to stay more in the neutral zone. A lot of people like to do that so they aren't an easy scum NK on Night 1 being a universal town read.

That's a pretty pure read from Hunger about me. Scum doesn't usually read me so well.

Very interesting.

"And threw his name out there instead by accident..."

Really Menu? You think that's a thing? God help you if you ever face me when I am Scum, Menu. God help you.

Which means you aren't doing good scum hunting, then. If you can't narrow down the field you are just a useless blabbering mess, filling our posts with useless paranoia instead of real content.

Okay, well, we have a handful of players who literally don't care enough to do anything even at the end of the day.

So...

No ******* way are we NLing.

If we NL I will punch the players in this game through the internet.

I'd rather lynch SNL than NL.

Well we have less than three days now to make a lynch happen and that's going to be tight. Getting a lynch with seven votes out of the nine or ten players is difficult.

The way this SNL wagon collapsed right when he was at claim point seems off. The fact SNL has vanished into thin air instead of helping is off. I'll need to look over the last few pages but something isn't right here.

Vote stays on Masterplum since out of four willing to lynches he looks the most likely to wagon. I will probably become more flexible in the last 24 hours if a NL looks like a possibility but I would recommend completing a lynch before that point. Deadlines make towns do silly things.

Vote Count 1.7

Hunger (3) - Sir Chris, Dels, Wildfire393
Crossfiyah (2) - Hunger, MenuWars
masterplum (2) - Burning_Earth, Antny223
MenuWars (1) - masterplum
Dels (1) - SelesnyaNewLife
SelesnyaNewLife (1) - RobotWizard
Not voting (2) - MeowBlade, Crossfiyah


The deadline is in 64 hours!

Quote from Proserpineapple

22. If the deadline is reached without a majority lynch, the player with the most votes will be lynched if and only if there's no tie for most. Otherwise, the Day ends with no lynch.

The only way we NL is voting for it or ending the vote in a tie. So basically there won't be a NL unless someone comes in late and forces one. And in that case, well, they aren't going to make too many friends.

Huh, I should probably check the rules sometime.

Annoyingly this actually leaves Crossfyre/Meowblade with zero reason to vote or even do anything.

That said lynching someone with three votes is just bad. Really bad! Are at the point where we accept that anyone without at least two votes isn't a viable lynch and we can wagon someone already.

I would vote for an inactive.

The only problem is, if Hunger is scum, then SNL seems town.

And Hunger wants us to vote for Cross.

So I can't, in good conscience, vote for SNL or Cross.

Can't fault you for that, Dels. However, you can still lynch me tomorrow

I have to say it's going to feel really bad if I end up lynched with three votes. I'd like to at least see some conviction in town and get me closer to majority if I'm going to eat a lynch.

One thing I will say, while I typically don't like going after inactives, if things continue you may have more of these lynch the guy with two or three votes Days. At least I am playing the game for better or worse.

Trust me, Hunger, I really understand. If it was any other situation, I'd gladly vote Cross.

Just the fact that you want us to makes it difficult. =/

Yeah, I'm sure the modpokes will help.

It was sarcasm. They're not gonna become active. They're never going to become active. No matter who modpokes them.

Who's the one you think is likely scum?

Not sure why it's so scummy to you, but I assume it has something to do with already thinking I'm scum.

The point was, it's frustrating that I'm almost certainly going to get mislynched at this point with only three people thinking I'm scum, because no one else could be bothered to show up and do anything while I'm actually trying to get scum lynched. Failing, but trying. Like Antny and BE both just haven't commented on wagon, but they also aren't trying to do anything else either, so what's the point? Even Wildfire has coasted since his vote on SNL. Blade isn't even playing, and we have discussed Cross already.

So basically the Day already appears to be over and I am getting mislynched because a very small minority thinks I am scum.

Actually, you know what? The more I think about Antny the worse it seems. He is saying he wants to end the Day because it's already too long, but he won't vote the guy that most other voters think is scum, but he also won't comment why he didn't find my play scummy and try to defend his town read and he isn't trying to push who he does want lynched. He simply says he is going to stay on plum and lynching someone with three votes is bad.

He just doesn't really seem to care. That's not very towny behavior. He did say he would read the last few pages so hopefully he follows up on that.

Antny, what gives? If you don't think I am good lynch can you comment on the last few pages where my wagon happened? You say I am a townread which is great, and you have your reasons from earlier in the Day, but what do you think in the last few pages since my wagon makes me still town for you?

What about plums posts since the start of my wagon, how has that changed your read on him? Is he more scummy, less scummy, the same, and why?

If you believe I am town and one of your other four reads are scum, stick up for it!

I think part of my scum read on Dels was a building OMGUS for feeling like he was attacking me in a discrete way with no evidence, and then his seemingly flip flop of, "your post had good points," to, "wait, Chris is right, it's not good," put me over the top when paired with believing someone on the SNL wagon is scum. So I'm trying to take a step back from him right now as I am conflicted. If I survive toDay I plan on rereading him during the Night with a fresh perspective.

Crossfiyah is bad because what he has posted has been bad, not just because there has been little of it. His behavior is poor. Blade on the other hand is just absent. It's different in my mind.

I think I mentioned BE on the last page. The fact that he was the most opinionated player the entire Day, but is completely staying out if it so close to the actual lynch is terrible. He has poked his head in a couple times to basically say, "here I am!" but has offered nothing. Like Antny he doesn't seem to care. I thought about calling him out in my post to Antny as well, but honestly, I don't feel like he will really provide any thoughtful analysis with his seemingly whimsical playstyle this game. The most I would expect out of him is something like, "no man, that guy is town, lets lynch plum guyz!" which I honestly don't think is helpful. So I directed it at Antny instead.

Quote from Hunger

I'm almost certainly going to get mislynched at this point with only three people thinking I'm scum

Two people. Only two of them think you're scum, remember? I am scum...right?

Also, who uses OMGUS to describe their own thought process? Especially when you had started to show signs of thinking I was scum before I said anything against you. I'm glad something put you over the top though...I was really wondering how long you were gonna go without voting me, you were building up to it for so long. Also, you already said you were gonna go back and reread me. There's a limit to how many times you can say that before having to make up your mind.

I'm town. Trust me.

I don't want to further muddle my reads on you toDay. People have said you are hard to read and I'm seeing it too. You have things that read town to me and things that read scum and the fact that you have been on me most of the Day is probably biasing me slightly. I don't think you are a good lynch toDay and I don't feel confident info from toDay is going to make me lean strongly town or scum on you. I want to reread toNight, recalibrate, and pay more attention to you tomorrow.

Also as far as your OMGUS point, check out my overview, you say in #203 you think I am scummy and need to watch me, but never follow up. I don't start to say anything about you bothers me until #294 when I didn't like your wording asking for my reads. That's after you started poking at me without anything concrete.

So no, I didn't start showing signs of thinking you were scum before you said anything against me. In fact, the only thing I said about you before you said anything against me was, "I like this Dels guy for town."

Hunger, I've already said I think you're town and I don't want you to be the lynch today. Analysing wagons can wait til we have a flip. My preferred lynch was Masterplum but there's literally a shortlist of players I'm happy to go with.

I am shifting back to SNL right now. He is far too inactive and I think if we need to lynch a lurker, then it should be the one who got to L-2 and then disappeared before claiming.

Second if SNL is scum, that should say a lot about the Hunger counterwagon.

If SNL is town, well given his lack of interest in playing we lose nothing.

Vote: SelesnyaNewLife

Quote from MenuWars

Quote from Dels

I'm town. Trust me.

I don't mistrust you... that'll have to do for now.

What do you think of my analysis of Hungers recent posts?

Um...you seem to think one of his posts there was a "town post" but I don't really see it...It was all fairly standard stuff.

Quote from MenuWars

Hey Antny what would you say if I said voting for someone else, especially a weak target when you want to lynch plum makes you look scummy?

I would say I don't particularly care.

Antny has the right of it.

Quote from MenuWars

Um...you seem to think one of his posts there was a "town post" but I don't really see it...It was all fairly standard stuff.

So you think as scum he goes for a tough target out of the blue to get answers because he doesn't want to get lynched by so few votes?

What about that post and the way he questioned the activity read as null to you?[/quote]

Sure, why not? He's not really "going after" Antnty...he called him out for something. I don't see how that makes him town. If anything, Antny is an easy target because his posts there were terrible and a few of us already called him out on it. Hunger isn't doing anything groundbreaking here. You know how Plum thinks Hunger's post was so bad it must be coming from a weird town point of view? I'd say that applies more to Antny's posts from last night. I could be wrong, who knows. Either way, Hunger doesn't look more town for going after Antnty here...so what? He's running out of options, so why wouldn't be do that?

And he doesn't get town points for saying he'll reconsider on me. He already said he was gonna reread me a while back and came back with nothing, from what I remember. Why does he get to be considered more town now for taking back his thinking I'm scum? All Hunger has done all day is avoid taking stances on anything and now he's basically taking back the one thing he did take a stance on. It doesn't make him look any better.

Quote from RobotWizard

Antny has the right of it.

And you wonder why I might be pissed at you. Some of us are trying. =/

Quote from MenuWars

You see the more I think about the way you're lining up lynches and the way you've played makes me think you just want a lynch, and you don't care who it is.

Except I haven't lined up lynches.

And if I didn't care who we lynched I would sit back and wait for the town to create a bad and hop on.

Yes you have a shortlist, but you haven't tunneled plum at all... you just stuck a vote on him. Which considering he's made a lot of the game paranoid at various points is just bloody lazy.

8th May, 2014.

Someone complains about Antny's lack of tunneling on a scumread. Mark it in your diaries people.

You've barely conversed with Dels... also on your shortlist.

Except for all those times I did.

You're trying to rile people up for a lynch, but you're doing nothing to promote activity.

Less of the oxymoronic statements please.

Chris said that, scum might burn out after awhile, and I think that's what has happened with you Antny, I think you see the weakness of town after a long day and just want to get it over with. I think you're a clever player, based on your catch up points, but you haven't chased anything... you're just content. I find that alarming.

Well it was nonsense when he said and it's nonsense now.

SNL is weak... he voted badly, and tried to defend it... I'd be pretty bummed out as scum if he was on my scum team... I'd bus him into the hills... yet noone really has... everyone else kept questioning things. But you'd rather lynch him than someone you genuinely feel is scum?

Ah bless, this would almost be a good point if I wasn't openly scumreading SNL.

Why so impatient... yet so unquestioning?

It's not me who set the deadline.

I'd care about that if I were you.

The only thing I care about is that with all these wagons you've started yet another one. I don't know if you could possible done anything less productive right now.

I don't wonder why at all, I just think you're expressing it in a way that makes me want to play even less, or interact with you in any way

I bet you think it's a good idea to run full force in a marathon, too. We had a good thing with SNL. He has no response because he got caught. But since this day is so ******* long, people get bored and their attention wanders. I'm trying to avoid that after last game. Menu got nailed immediately, I got bored, he lived for days. I'm trying to avoid that here. I don't like any of those points on Hunger. I think he's town.

So yes, Antny has the right of it because he actually remembers SNL exists. Even SNL forgot that it seems!

Taking credit for something my predecessor did....

Do you know what your talking about Menu cause I don't?

Yeah well questionings great for getting scumreads but less important when you have them.

Point being?

Seems so.

Menu, did you miss the part where I said we needed a good wagon ASAP.

Well I guess we just skip over the wagon bit and go straight to the lynch then. Easy peasy lemon squeezy.

Am I only one who's noticed that that strategy isn't working?

It's too late in the evening for this type of nonsense. I'm off to bed.

I don't remember ever talking to Antny, if that counts for anything. (I only just skimmed this page)

I don't trust Robot or Antny and both want to vote SNL, not to mention I don't trust Hunger and feel he could've been defending someone he knew was town.

I really just cannot vote for SNL here.

But you've got me coming around on Antny, Menu.

Who are the other players that are actually playing? Its just Chris and Hunger, right? I'm curious to see what they have to say about Antny.

Quote from MenuWars

Hey Dels... make a decision before Chris does anything for town points.

You know this is hard for me!

And oh yeah I forgot about Wildfire somehow. Sorry Wildfire.

Alright, Menu, I will put my faith in you. You're the only one around who I a) trust and b) is trying, so I will listen to you.

Unvote Hunger
Vote Antny

Antny's recent posts have been pretty bad, he shows no interesting in cooperating with Menu, and doesn't seem interested in pursuing the people he thinks are scum either. He hasn't een been here for 30 days so he has no excuse to be lazy.

I am not letting Hunger off the hook, I still don't trust Hunger and think he is likely scum, but I'm of the opinion that we should punish a player who ISN'T trying. SNL is off the table because too many people I don't trust want him lynched and Cross is off the table for the same reason. Antny wants to come in and just call for anyone's lynch and refuse to really help us understand why? He can go.

Dels has there been a single person you haven't jumped on today at the drop of a hat.