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You haven't given input on any players other than B_E. We've asked for it, but you've ignored it.
You seemed convinced B_E was scum. Now, you back down simply because other people disagree? Have you actually changed your mind? Do you believe B_E is town or not?
What is your reason for voting RobotWizard? Do you personally believe he's scum? Can you name something that you found scummy about him?
Do you often follow the group and vote for whoever people seem to be agreeing on? Do you believe this is a valid way to play the game of mafia, if you are town?
I really don't like this post. You have been calm and collected the whole game, with lots of analysis and being very stingy with your vote. You believe RW is scummy and have made multiple posts detailing why, but despite this you go against your playstyle from the rest of the game, and the scum read you have built up, to jump ship for what is such an obviously bad post, it just seems a bit too opportunistic for me. Wildfire and plum at least both held their votes while questioning the vote. If RW flips scum, this would be a good start for a buddying case.
Granted, SNL's vote was bad, but go read Day 1 of Return to Ravnica Mafia currently in progress. SNL gets mislynched D1 in very similar fashion. I won't discuss it further as it's a GIP, but suffice it to say I don't believe SNL to be a highly analytical player.
Are you (is swearing allowed on this site btw?) KIDDING ME?
Trying way too hard? After being blasted all game for "not trying enough", I try to actually build a case and lynch scum and it's trying too hard?
You said my observations were shallow. I have no response to that.
And apparently anything that isn't shallow is "Trying too hard".
Nobody wants to hear me say I'm town, so yeah, I thought I'd just focus on getting people to actually vote Selesyna instead of town (me).
I mean, geezy chreezyDels
Speaking of possible buddying...that reaction is so over the top it's hard to believe it's not forced interaction.
That said, I don't think RW and Dels as scumbuddies would both immediately jump on SNL together, though it could happen and would be great in combating later VCA. And not knowing their meta, I don't know how likely they would be to do something of that nature, but in general it seems unlikely. So yeah, probably scratch the idea of a buddying case for now.
As scum, Dr. is obviously the best claim here as he would have nothing to lose. Either he still goes down and takes the Dr. with him, or he buys himself some time. So it isn't really instilling a ton of confidence in me. Either way, we aren't lynching an un-cc'd Dr.
Unvote.
I need to do some rereading before I decide where I want my vote now. Currently on a gut level plum has been a scumlean for me so that's where it would likely go. Obviously SNL's vote is bad, but like I said before, based on the last game, I'm inclined to give him a little bit of leeway and would like to see his reaction.
Things change in mafia all the time. People can go from being the leading lynch early in the day to suddenly everyone drops their vote and they're not even being considered anymore. Especially when SNL came in to take all the attention, I find it a bit weird that RobotWizard would give up so easily.
Things change in mafia all the time. People can go from being the leading lynch early in the day to suddenly everyone drops their vote and they're not even being considered anymore. Especially when SNL came in to take all the attention, I find it a bit weird that RobotWizard would give up so easily.
It's weird, it's unfortunate, but I'm not sure there's anything we can do about it. If he somehow survives the night, we can revist tomorrow. Best-case scenario, we have a watcher who can catch scum in the act of killing him.
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By the way Hunger, I'm not sure RobotWizard even realized that I unvoted him when he made that post. Seriously. That's a big reaction to someone who is no longer even voting you. Which is another reason I don't like the claim.
Yeah, I get it, he claimed doctor, we can't lynch him, whatever. I still don't like it.
Yeah, well, I was getting pissed off that everything time I posted something people would just call it generically bad. So I wouldn't bother to post. So then people started harping on my activity level. So I gave D1 another stab. And then I was accused of trying to hard.
I can't win, so I snapped!
Massclaim d1 is extremely unnecessary. That's the scummiest thing you've said since you wanted to lynch a doctor claim N1, Menu. How's a Watcher gonna watch me and complete my brilliant plan if he claims today, eh?
Robot, you have literally never once responded to the actual reason why I voted you. You know, the one where I gave actual reasons other than calling you generally bad.
I feel like you are giving a very surface-level analysis of the game. Granted, you have only made maybe 2 or 3 posts with content so far, but I already notice this trend of you stating things that are very general. Just a few examples: You justify your vote on Hunger by saying that town are "usually" more paranoid than that. You say BE seems town because, "in general", people who are agressive like that are town. Saying you don't like that Wildfire speaks for others. But these are just general guidelines or opinions that could apply to any game. It doesn't feel like you're actually treating this game as its own entity and trying to read these specific players. It feels more like you have a checklist of things to look out for and are just matching them to various players.
Okay so I just read 12 pages of gigantic posts in the game Hunger referenced and can only say SNL gave more effort to his posts than he did with that throwaway vote he placed on Robot.
Based on my prior experiences with Robot. Him and SNL being scum buddies and Robot being a useful power role makes sense.
However I don't see Plum fitting in that team and I still think there's a good chance of him being scum.
Seeing as we may have a Town Power outted in the event Robots speaking the truth. It might be a good idea to mass claim day 1.
No... nononono. I don't see any way where a day 1 massclaim accomplishes anything for us.
The scum either have fake role claims or can just claim vanilla.
It also gives them a laundry list of targets. It's a pretty good assumption that they have a Roleblocker, as I haven't see a game on this site without one yet. So if we give them anything besides the Doctor, they can just block the Doctor, NK whatever information role we have, and pretty much tromp all over us.
At least with only one PR outed, we have a chance of doing well tonight with any unknown information roles.
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Hunger seems to strongly be leaning towards me being scum...But is strangely hesitant to commit to it, is what it looks like. I mean, he's made multiple posts specifically about things I've done that he doesn't like, but then at the end, he says he's still not sure where to put his vote and only mentions Plum or Seles as possibilities...Hunger, I've gotta say, it feels like you want to vote me. You even said it seems like me and Robot could be buddies.
I asked for the claim, Menu, because 'why not.' I didn't see what waiting was going to do and up until that point leo had been pretty poor in terms of activity. I like getting quick reactions out of people. I felt Leo's lynch/claim were pretty inevitable, might as well force the issue and see what came up.
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Well, when people claim Doctor it is usually a "well then" and you move on from there. It is a rare day where someone claims Doctor and I go "Scum!"
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Hunger seems to strongly be leaning towards me being scum...But is strangely hesitant to commit to it, is what it looks like. I mean, he's made multiple posts specifically about things I've done that he doesn't like, but then at the end, he says he's still not sure where to put his vote and only mentions Plum or Seles as possibilities...Hunger, I've gotta say, it feels like you want to vote me. You even said it seems like me and Robot could be buddies.
I also said to table the buddy theory for now, because I find it highly unlikely you would both jump on SNL together right away as scumbuddies. SNL was such an easy misslynch target though, if he is town, I wouldn't be surprised if one of his early voters is scum.
I wouldn't say I have been leaning towards you being scum or that I want to vote you. I started out saying I thought you were strongly town. I then posted why I was moving you out of that pile as I was less sure about some of your posts. Like I said, I retracted the scumbuddy theory, and so that still leaves you outside of my strong town pile, but I don't believe I have ever stated an overall read of you as scummy as you are closer to the middle for me. Being less sure of you being town though, I have been questioning some of your posts a bit more and trying to get a better read on you.
I also still think your post #498 is weird and would still like to see a response to my questions in the first part of #501.
I think it's interesting you seem to be doing a similar thing you are accusing me of as well. Taking a couple shots here and there, but never committing one way or another to a read on me even when asked.
Pre-edit: It is interesting though that you point out in #595 that RW may not even have been aware of you switching to SNL, and therefore didn't realize he was joining the wagon with his buddy.
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It looks like the Wizard wagon has shifted to the SNL Wagon.
Yeah, I'm not sure what's up with the VC, I'm used to seeing one every day.
Really don't like this post. Why did you say that? The only person to actually switch to SNL from RW was Dels, everyone else was still on RW including yourself. Also, even if everyone had switched, why did you feel the need to point it out to BE in this manner? I think he is capable of figuring that out for himself, and maybe he didn't want to vote SNL?
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I apologize, it was a mistake to sign up. I can't get my head in the game. I thought with this game's slower pace it might be fine to just post every so often, but I guess not. That being said, I have no intention of giving up if I survive D1. I have no idea how close I am to being lynched, but I have a feeling it's really close. Wanna know what my role is?
This is such a cop out. The reason isn't just your lack of posts, it's the content in those posts. Myself and Dels at the least have said as much multiple times, it was the reason for both of us to originally vote for you. I don't post that often either, I may even have less posts than you at this point, but when I post I try to provide reads, answer questions that were asked of me, engage people, and actually try to scumhunt.
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If you can't see how he's just oozing onto an easy target, you're blind. "Oh yeah, sure, great idea, whatever you guys say!"
This is pretty much the same reason I don't want to vote him right now. If he is town he is the easiest misslynch target right now. No one is going to question people for voting him for his play. On top of that, if he turns up town, his lynch provides very little in the way of interaction tells. I want to see some replies and defense from him first.
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Oh, whatever, it's not like anyone is going to listen to a thing I say anyway.
Maria Renard, Town Doctor
Now, y'all can whine about me "playing bad" and claiming doctor, or you can finally start listening to what I'm saying and lynch some opportunistic scum who jumped on me because they smelled blood.
For completeness, could you post your pic and song please?
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I like plum and Menu's posts since the doc claim, both feeling more towny to me. Good reactions, thought processes, and lines of questioning.
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I really don't like that RW claimed pretty preemptively (L-4 I think?) especially when people were jumping ship to/questioning SNL for his vote. I don't see how a town doc is so eager to claim until absolutely necessary. Either scum, or terrible play, as has been said.
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I don't like how Chris seems to have taken a back seat lately. Very little content and his posts aren't as structured as they were at first either. What's with the one-liners, Chris? I'd like to hear more from you, I think you offer interesting insight. I get that it could be a playstyle thing, but I'm also curious why you were so eager to get a claim out of RW. On top of that, you seem to be implying your play style tailors to claiming early and often? What do you think of Menu's mass claim suggestion?
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It's weird, it's unfortunate, but I'm not sure there's anything we can do about it. If he somehow survives the night, we can revist tomorrow. Best-case scenario, we have a watcher who can catch scum in the act of killing him.
You said it earlier yourself, scum almost always has a roleblocker. If the roleblocker avoids getting lynched, they RB the Dr. until lylo and then when we all say, "there is no way the Dr. lives this long," and we misslynch RW for the scum win. I would actually be relatively surprised if he dies toNight, there is too much tasty WIFOM there if he is town.
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Okay so I just read 12 pages of gigantic posts in the game Hunger referenced and can only say SNL gave more effort to his posts than he did with that throwaway vote he placed on Robot.
Based on my prior experiences with Robot. Him and SNL being scum buddies and Robot being a useful power role makes sense.
However I don't see Plum fitting in that team and I still think there's a good chance of him being scum.
Seeing as we may have a Town Power outted in the event Robots speaking the truth. It might be a good idea to mass claim day 1.
Granted, he did actually post more in response to his vote, which is what I'm waiting to see still. But did you notice how he had a similar pattern of infrequent posting, and poor voting/reasoning that led to his suspicion in the first place? This situation just feels very similar to me and like I said, he seems like such an easy misslynch as town. I want to at least see him post in reply and engage with him a bit before deciding to string him up. Wagoning him super quick and forcing a second claim isn't something I'm eager to accomplish.
I said I have nothing to say to that. It's D1. Deep analysis is impossible in an meaningful fashion. Deal with it.
Another cop out post. Like I alluded to earlier, it's not even that you aren't offering "deep analysis," it's the fact that you avoided saying anything about anything going on at all until asked. You still have offered almost no insight to the game other than SNL is scum for his vote on you. It doesn't have to be deep analysis on D1, but do something. Ask some questions or reply to questions, or give some gut reads on people or do something that makes it seem like you are interested in actually catching scum.
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I still don't like 'im. I feel like he waited to countervote me until he knew he'd have support from others
Like I said when I voted you, I didn't like the way you came into the game. I asked some questions to get reads out of you and kept playing the game. You don't post for a while and come back with still no insight on a bunch of pages of content and justify keeping your vote on me for some poor reasoning. It had nothing to do with support of others. It had to do with your play.
Every time I have posted I haven't had anything to say that couldn't be said in a few lines, Hunger. Nothing too stimulating these past few pages. I know stuff has happened but nothing that makes me actually have to consider things, and without having to consider things I try my best to be cut and dry. I actually started the game pretty stiff so I hope that's not the style everyone comes to expect from me because as everyone who has played with me has noted it is a little bit weird. Anyway I am a person who thrives off of information as town. The more the better. I also do not enjoy wasting my time. I evaluated the situation and didn't really like much of RobotWizard's posting so far, so I figured I would see what he had to say. In my experience fast claiming when asked is usually a town thing to do, while refusing to claim wouldn't have told me much. A mute point with the doctor claim mind you but yeah. I have done mass claims day one before they can be fun, but I see no need to do one here. I believe claiming can be a good way to trap scum depending on the setup though. If you catch a team napping good claims here and there can put them on the spot.
But yeah no need to blindly hammer Sele, I want to see what he has to say for himself.
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Maybe it's just the "VC every page" culture on MS, but seriously@mod VC plz plz plz
It looks like the Wizard wagon has shifted to the SNL Wagon.
Yeah, I'm not sure what's up with the VC, I'm used to seeing one every day.
Really don't like this post. Why did you say that? The only person to actually switch to SNL from RW was Dels, everyone else was still on RW including yourself. Also, even if everyone had switched, why did you feel the need to point it out to BE in this manner? I think he is capable of figuring that out for himself, and maybe he didn't want to vote SNL?
The way BE had posted was as if everyone was still going full steam ahead on the RW lynch. I guessed that he had missed SNL's comment (and the subsequent vote(s) on him) based on the way he worded that post, and so I felt that the appropriate response was to inform him of that fact.
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OK, so I have started to reread. Probably won't finish tonight, but it's a start.
Could BE and Masterplum be scumbuddies – their early interactions seem off?
Why would SNL nameclaim so early?
14 – I remember you being easy to catch in Tales of Xymande.
16 - I like the idea of quicker days. Not sure I like the idea of policy lynching because we created an arbitrary deadline though.
22- Don’t get the logic here. Don’t shorter deadlines make it easier to avoid talking to people.
23 – No vote Dels?
25 – Ditto Chris. Also why so much fluff in the opening post. There is in game stuff to comment on?
29 - Dels defending Chris/Plum here.
31 – Chris' second sentenced pinged my scumdar.
36 – I like BE’s early aggression.
37 – Chris seems particular verbose. He also seems happiest on the fence right now.
40 – I don’t like BE’s dismissal of Chris’s reasoning. It seemed level-headed and 39 would be his best posting I've seen from him this game.
43 – I would like to hear Dels expand on this.
47 – BE shifting vote when called out. Feels like the nervous BE of old. Have you drawn scum yet BE? I need to compare to your town meta.
50 – I don’t see any reason why BE would do this. If BE is scum I would be confident one of Dels/Chris is his scumbuddy. I just don’t know BE’s meta as scum to be sure of which yet.
56 – Wildfire has the right idea here with the vote.
58 – Curious response off Chris. I sense the buddying between Dels and Chris is more likely classic same home buddying than alignment buddying at this point, but I have to keep an eye on it.
62 – Obviously not a random vote described as random vote by Dels.
64 – You obviously didn’t agree with his post based on 62.
67 – How can people not tell the seriousness of Wildfire’s post?
69 – Interesting how Plum drops the phrase “extremely experienced mafia player” here. Also the question is pretty defensive of Dels.
70 – Unless Dels ends up being a DV I don’t like how he is holding off voting at this point. As for the post, he’s misrepping Wildfire quite a bit. WF didn’t actually talk about him wanting to shut down discussion (he think he built this strawmen out of the shoot down questions comment) and the whole analysing his first post is now being beaten to death. The last paragraph is actual quite reaching and either Dels is overthinking everything or he’s scum.
71 – I agree with Chris here.
72 – And here. I’m starting to like Chris for town.
76 – I don’t see the bolded as a scumslip myself, more a figure of speech. New players often don’t realise the need to be so careful with wording. All in all Wildfire play has been solidly town thusfar.
77 – That said there’s a ton more explanation here from Wildfire than I would expect to see.
78 – OMG, Dels needs to be lynched. In the worst way possible. I need to dissect this post in more detail later.
80 – I get an earnest feeling from Wildfire’s posting. That’s hard to fake for new players.
81 – I’ve seen many players open the game with light hearted posts, and it is not alignment indicative.
83 – Does SNL really have that strong a metaread on BE?
87 – This just isn’t true SNL. In fact I don’t think I’ve ever seen BE as aggressive in a game as he was in uPick.
89- “You are overanalyzing my posts in an attempt to find half-baked reasons why I am scum.” – Pot meet kettle. :teehee: The phrase “What I am missing from you is a true desire to actually understand me and how I might play if I were scum.” Feels wrong as well. Wouldn’t town be more interested in having a player read them as town. That said wouldn’t scum. I’m just gonna chalk the oddness of the phrase as another point in the Dels is scum column.
94 – What’s wrong with listing?
95 – Likes Dels. The says “If I'm off and he is scum, as long as he keeps contributing like he is, it should be no problem to find inconsistencies and slip ups as the game goes on.” Which seems like a forced attempt to distance away from any future flip. The rest reads like we ignore him for now, let’s look elsewhere. Could be scum defending. Hunger looks a touch non-commital in this post as well.
98 – All Dels is doing is trying to justify himself town at this point in the game.
100 – What is wrong with wildfire pushing Dels exactly. And nice fencesit on the last line.
101 – I’m not impressed but people for throw general statements instead of hunting scum.
104 – I feel like this Dels/Wildfire is actually going anywhere now. Let’s hope other people start playing the game.
117 – Seriously if Del isn’t a DV I want his lynch at this point.
121 – I can’t work out whether Chris is an rvs still or whether it’s now serious. And menuwars has had enough posts at this point to make it really clear to everyone.
124 – Woah, that was quite a u-turn there.
147 – RobotWizard votes Hunger. I like his vote.
178 – Oh another player turns up with a late vote.
203 – I find myself actually agreeing with Dels reads.
205 – Curious though about Dels warning us about Meowblade.
207 – I hope your lying here.
213 – Isn’t there a way with Curse to find deleted posts. I remember finding a deleted post by Seppel in SEM (fun story he wrote Zulu’s lynched before we had lynched him).
229 – I don’t know where BE gets this pair of townreads from.
239 – Sir Chris sounds vaguely like he is white knighting BE here.
246 – Not sure what Sir Chris is getting at here. I liked Wildfire’s previous post.
265 – Sir Chris is overstating things a bit here.
There are a number of interesting reactions to BE’s not claiming at L-2. I saw it as mostly another procedure matter - along the same lines as masterplum’s let’s keep days short - but with less potential scum motivation.
267 – Mixed thoughts here on SC. I don’t like what he’s said (though I was wondering the same thing) but I don’t think scum would openly say this in the thread (easier to leave it to the night chat). Could Chris be town?
270 – I sense that Wildfire is struggling here because he’s relatively new as well. That and people may be missing BE’s point (not claim L-2 != not claim at all). I am aware that BE has recently jumped full on into ms games.
Now he’s settled into the flow of the game I back to liking Chris for town. His conversation with Wildfire reads quite town coaching town. I could be being fooled by an experienced player but he is offering up a fairly earnest take of the game this page.
276 – Gees hundred games of mafia – so he is experienced. Though I find it interesting he’s disregarding any meta read here. Also I need a Good Wife marathon at some point too (no spoilers please).
277 – The Kaze points are bad. The BE question is bad. If the ally to Wildfire proposal is anything other than a gambit it’s bad. The whole “tell me your thoughts and don’t worry I won’t them against you” is bad (worse if Hunger is scum). Comments to RobotWizard like “It doesn't feel like you're actually treating this game as its own entity and trying to read these specific players.” Are baffling me (and therefore bad). I hate this post.
279 – Wildfire is voting because of a posting style. That’s wrong.
290 – This explanation feels kinda forced.
292 – Good catch by Chris.
294 – Yeah, Hunger’s response to Del is too buddy/buddy for my liking. Perhaps if he expands upon what made him feel uneasy about Dels questioning I would feel better. Instead he dismisses this so-called wariness and townreads Del. That doesn’t sit right with me. Add on the fact he is townreading most players at this point. Except wizard where he barns Dels.
295 – “That seems like some excellent analysis, Hunger.” – if Hunger ends up being town I might come to this. Seems to be buddying out of nowhere.
303 – And after Hunger fencesits Wildfire ignores it and gives his own read. I should probably check how Kaze had done at this point later.
That takes me about half way through the game. More to come.
Are you looking for an answer that does not involve "You don't lynch protection claims unless they are contradicted pretty heavily."
Because that's all you're getting.
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I wasn't trying to lynch him... merely gain the opinion of the one who got him to claim... which was brushed off... so something to think about there.
Yes, Chris is at fault for getting him to claim early. But in all fairness, even with SNL's intervention, Robo would have been pushed to claim today almost certainly.
His response seems adequate. There really is no other response to a day one doc claim.
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I really don't like this post. You have been calm and collected the whole game, with lots of analysis and being very stingy with your vote. You believe RW is scummy and have made multiple posts detailing why, but despite this you go against your playstyle from the rest of the game, and the scum read you have built up, to jump ship for what is such an obviously bad post, it just seems a bit too opportunistic for me. Wildfire and plum at least both held their votes while questioning the vote. If RW flips scum, this would be a good start for a buddying case.
Granted, SNL's vote was bad, but go read Day 1 of Return to Ravnica Mafia currently in progress. SNL gets mislynched D1 in very similar fashion. I won't discuss it further as it's a GIP, but suffice it to say I don't believe SNL to be a highly analytical player.
Speaking of possible buddying...that reaction is so over the top it's hard to believe it's not forced interaction.
That said, I don't think RW and Dels as scumbuddies would both immediately jump on SNL together, though it could happen and would be great in combating later VCA. And not knowing their meta, I don't know how likely they would be to do something of that nature, but in general it seems unlikely. So yeah, probably scratch the idea of a buddying case for now.
As scum, Dr. is obviously the best claim here as he would have nothing to lose. Either he still goes down and takes the Dr. with him, or he buys himself some time. So it isn't really instilling a ton of confidence in me. Either way, we aren't lynching an un-cc'd Dr.
Unvote.
I need to do some rereading before I decide where I want my vote now. Currently on a gut level plum has been a scumlean for me so that's where it would likely go. Obviously SNL's vote is bad, but like I said before, based on the last game, I'm inclined to give him a little bit of leeway and would like to see his reaction.
It's weird, it's unfortunate, but I'm not sure there's anything we can do about it. If he somehow survives the night, we can revist tomorrow. Best-case scenario, we have a watcher who can catch scum in the act of killing him.
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Yeah, I get it, he claimed doctor, we can't lynch him, whatever. I still don't like it.
I can't win, so I snapped!
Massclaim d1 is extremely unnecessary. That's the scummiest thing you've said since you wanted to lynch a doctor claim N1, Menu. How's a Watcher gonna watch me and complete my brilliant plan if he claims today, eh?
No... nononono. I don't see any way where a day 1 massclaim accomplishes anything for us.
The scum either have fake role claims or can just claim vanilla.
It also gives them a laundry list of targets. It's a pretty good assumption that they have a Roleblocker, as I haven't see a game on this site without one yet. So if we give them anything besides the Doctor, they can just block the Doctor, NK whatever information role we have, and pretty much tromp all over us.
At least with only one PR outed, we have a chance of doing well tonight with any unknown information roles.
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I said I have nothing to say to that. It's D1. Deep analysis is impossible in an meaningful fashion. Deal with it.
Yes.
I mean...who's Leo? That's RobotWizard!
Anyway...
Hunger seems to strongly be leaning towards me being scum...But is strangely hesitant to commit to it, is what it looks like. I mean, he's made multiple posts specifically about things I've done that he doesn't like, but then at the end, he says he's still not sure where to put his vote and only mentions Plum or Seles as possibilities...Hunger, I've gotta say, it feels like you want to vote me. You even said it seems like me and Robot could be buddies.
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I have nothing to say to this either, other than that I expect more from you. So...
What do you think about Hunger?
I am preparing legal action as we speak
If you're going to lurk all of day one, do at least try to poke your head in every day and meow, so you don't get prodded/replaced.
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So I hear. Searching for a replacement now.
YOU KILLED KAZE! HOW MANY MORE WILL YOU KILL?
WHO'S FAULT IS THAT? CURSE!
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SelesnyaNewLife (5) - Dels, RobotWizard, Sir Chris, masterplum, Wildfire393
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Not voting (5) - MeowBlade, Crossfiyah, MenuWars, Hunger, Antny223
Catching up shortly.
I also said to table the buddy theory for now, because I find it highly unlikely you would both jump on SNL together right away as scumbuddies. SNL was such an easy misslynch target though, if he is town, I wouldn't be surprised if one of his early voters is scum.
I wouldn't say I have been leaning towards you being scum or that I want to vote you. I started out saying I thought you were strongly town. I then posted why I was moving you out of that pile as I was less sure about some of your posts. Like I said, I retracted the scumbuddy theory, and so that still leaves you outside of my strong town pile, but I don't believe I have ever stated an overall read of you as scummy as you are closer to the middle for me. Being less sure of you being town though, I have been questioning some of your posts a bit more and trying to get a better read on you.
I also still think your post #498 is weird and would still like to see a response to my questions in the first part of #501.
I think it's interesting you seem to be doing a similar thing you are accusing me of as well. Taking a couple shots here and there, but never committing one way or another to a read on me even when asked.
Pre-edit: It is interesting though that you point out in #595 that RW may not even have been aware of you switching to SNL, and therefore didn't realize he was joining the wagon with his buddy.
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Really don't like this post. Why did you say that? The only person to actually switch to SNL from RW was Dels, everyone else was still on RW including yourself. Also, even if everyone had switched, why did you feel the need to point it out to BE in this manner? I think he is capable of figuring that out for himself, and maybe he didn't want to vote SNL?
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This is such a cop out. The reason isn't just your lack of posts, it's the content in those posts. Myself and Dels at the least have said as much multiple times, it was the reason for both of us to originally vote for you. I don't post that often either, I may even have less posts than you at this point, but when I post I try to provide reads, answer questions that were asked of me, engage people, and actually try to scumhunt.
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This is pretty much the same reason I don't want to vote him right now. If he is town he is the easiest misslynch target right now. No one is going to question people for voting him for his play. On top of that, if he turns up town, his lynch provides very little in the way of interaction tells. I want to see some replies and defense from him first.
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For completeness, could you post your pic and song please?
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I like plum and Menu's posts since the doc claim, both feeling more towny to me. Good reactions, thought processes, and lines of questioning.
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I really don't like that RW claimed pretty preemptively (L-4 I think?) especially when people were jumping ship to/questioning SNL for his vote. I don't see how a town doc is so eager to claim until absolutely necessary. Either scum, or terrible play, as has been said.
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I don't like how Chris seems to have taken a back seat lately. Very little content and his posts aren't as structured as they were at first either. What's with the one-liners, Chris? I'd like to hear more from you, I think you offer interesting insight. I get that it could be a playstyle thing, but I'm also curious why you were so eager to get a claim out of RW. On top of that, you seem to be implying your play style tailors to claiming early and often? What do you think of Menu's mass claim suggestion?
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You said it earlier yourself, scum almost always has a roleblocker. If the roleblocker avoids getting lynched, they RB the Dr. until lylo and then when we all say, "there is no way the Dr. lives this long," and we misslynch RW for the scum win. I would actually be relatively surprised if he dies toNight, there is too much tasty WIFOM there if he is town.
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Granted, he did actually post more in response to his vote, which is what I'm waiting to see still. But did you notice how he had a similar pattern of infrequent posting, and poor voting/reasoning that led to his suspicion in the first place? This situation just feels very similar to me and like I said, he seems like such an easy misslynch as town. I want to at least see him post in reply and engage with him a bit before deciding to string him up. Wagoning him super quick and forcing a second claim isn't something I'm eager to accomplish.
I'm against a mass claim right now.
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Another cop out post. Like I alluded to earlier, it's not even that you aren't offering "deep analysis," it's the fact that you avoided saying anything about anything going on at all until asked. You still have offered almost no insight to the game other than SNL is scum for his vote on you. It doesn't have to be deep analysis on D1, but do something. Ask some questions or reply to questions, or give some gut reads on people or do something that makes it seem like you are interested in actually catching scum.
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Like I said when I voted you, I didn't like the way you came into the game. I asked some questions to get reads out of you and kept playing the game. You don't post for a while and come back with still no insight on a bunch of pages of content and justify keeping your vote on me for some poor reasoning. It had nothing to do with support of others. It had to do with your play.
But yeah no need to blindly hammer Sele, I want to see what he has to say for himself.
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The way BE had posted was as if everyone was still going full steam ahead on the RW lynch. I guessed that he had missed SNL's comment (and the subsequent vote(s) on him) based on the way he worded that post, and so I felt that the appropriate response was to inform him of that fact.
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Why would SNL nameclaim so early?
14 – I remember you being easy to catch in Tales of Xymande.
16 - I like the idea of quicker days. Not sure I like the idea of policy lynching because we created an arbitrary deadline though.
22- Don’t get the logic here. Don’t shorter deadlines make it easier to avoid talking to people.
23 – No vote Dels?
25 – Ditto Chris. Also why so much fluff in the opening post. There is in game stuff to comment on?
29 - Dels defending Chris/Plum here.
31 – Chris' second sentenced pinged my scumdar.
36 – I like BE’s early aggression.
37 – Chris seems particular verbose. He also seems happiest on the fence right now.
40 – I don’t like BE’s dismissal of Chris’s reasoning. It seemed level-headed and 39 would be his best posting I've seen from him this game.
43 – I would like to hear Dels expand on this.
47 – BE shifting vote when called out. Feels like the nervous BE of old. Have you drawn scum yet BE? I need to compare to your town meta.
50 – I don’t see any reason why BE would do this. If BE is scum I would be confident one of Dels/Chris is his scumbuddy. I just don’t know BE’s meta as scum to be sure of which yet.
56 – Wildfire has the right idea here with the vote.
58 – Curious response off Chris. I sense the buddying between Dels and Chris is more likely classic same home buddying than alignment buddying at this point, but I have to keep an eye on it.
62 – Obviously not a random vote described as random vote by Dels.
64 – You obviously didn’t agree with his post based on 62.
67 – How can people not tell the seriousness of Wildfire’s post?
69 – Interesting how Plum drops the phrase “extremely experienced mafia player” here. Also the question is pretty defensive of Dels.
70 – Unless Dels ends up being a DV I don’t like how he is holding off voting at this point. As for the post, he’s misrepping Wildfire quite a bit. WF didn’t actually talk about him wanting to shut down discussion (he think he built this strawmen out of the shoot down questions comment) and the whole analysing his first post is now being beaten to death. The last paragraph is actual quite reaching and either Dels is overthinking everything or he’s scum.
71 – I agree with Chris here.
72 – And here. I’m starting to like Chris for town.
76 – I don’t see the bolded as a scumslip myself, more a figure of speech. New players often don’t realise the need to be so careful with wording. All in all Wildfire play has been solidly town thusfar.
77 – That said there’s a ton more explanation here from Wildfire than I would expect to see.
78 – OMG, Dels needs to be lynched. In the worst way possible. I need to dissect this post in more detail later.
80 – I get an earnest feeling from Wildfire’s posting. That’s hard to fake for new players.
81 – I’ve seen many players open the game with light hearted posts, and it is not alignment indicative.
83 – Does SNL really have that strong a metaread on BE?
87 – This just isn’t true SNL. In fact I don’t think I’ve ever seen BE as aggressive in a game as he was in uPick.
89- “You are overanalyzing my posts in an attempt to find half-baked reasons why I am scum.” – Pot meet kettle. :teehee: The phrase “What I am missing from you is a true desire to actually understand me and how I might play if I were scum.” Feels wrong as well. Wouldn’t town be more interested in having a player read them as town. That said wouldn’t scum. I’m just gonna chalk the oddness of the phrase as another point in the Dels is scum column.
94 – What’s wrong with listing?
95 – Likes Dels. The says “If I'm off and he is scum, as long as he keeps contributing like he is, it should be no problem to find inconsistencies and slip ups as the game goes on.” Which seems like a forced attempt to distance away from any future flip. The rest reads like we ignore him for now, let’s look elsewhere. Could be scum defending. Hunger looks a touch non-commital in this post as well.
98 – All Dels is doing is trying to justify himself town at this point in the game.
100 – What is wrong with wildfire pushing Dels exactly. And nice fencesit on the last line.
101 – I’m not impressed but people for throw general statements instead of hunting scum.
104 – I feel like this Dels/Wildfire is actually going anywhere now. Let’s hope other people start playing the game.
117 – Seriously if Del isn’t a DV I want his lynch at this point.
121 – I can’t work out whether Chris is an rvs still or whether it’s now serious. And menuwars has had enough posts at this point to make it really clear to everyone.
124 – Woah, that was quite a u-turn there.
147 – RobotWizard votes Hunger. I like his vote.
178 – Oh another player turns up with a late vote.
203 – I find myself actually agreeing with Dels reads.
205 – Curious though about Dels warning us about Meowblade.
207 – I hope your lying here.
213 – Isn’t there a way with Curse to find deleted posts. I remember finding a deleted post by Seppel in SEM (fun story he wrote Zulu’s lynched before we had lynched him).
229 – I don’t know where BE gets this pair of townreads from.
239 – Sir Chris sounds vaguely like he is white knighting BE here.
246 – Not sure what Sir Chris is getting at here. I liked Wildfire’s previous post.
265 – Sir Chris is overstating things a bit here.
There are a number of interesting reactions to BE’s not claiming at L-2. I saw it as mostly another procedure matter - along the same lines as masterplum’s let’s keep days short - but with less potential scum motivation.
267 – Mixed thoughts here on SC. I don’t like what he’s said (though I was wondering the same thing) but I don’t think scum would openly say this in the thread (easier to leave it to the night chat). Could Chris be town?
270 – I sense that Wildfire is struggling here because he’s relatively new as well. That and people may be missing BE’s point (not claim L-2 != not claim at all). I am aware that BE has recently jumped full on into ms games.
Now he’s settled into the flow of the game I back to liking Chris for town. His conversation with Wildfire reads quite town coaching town. I could be being fooled by an experienced player but he is offering up a fairly earnest take of the game this page.
276 – Gees hundred games of mafia – so he is experienced. Though I find it interesting he’s disregarding any meta read here. Also I need a Good Wife marathon at some point too (no spoilers please).
277 – The Kaze points are bad. The BE question is bad. If the ally to Wildfire proposal is anything other than a gambit it’s bad. The whole “tell me your thoughts and don’t worry I won’t them against you” is bad (worse if Hunger is scum). Comments to RobotWizard like “It doesn't feel like you're actually treating this game as its own entity and trying to read these specific players.” Are baffling me (and therefore bad). I hate this post.
279 – Wildfire is voting because of a posting style. That’s wrong.
290 – This explanation feels kinda forced.
292 – Good catch by Chris.
294 – Yeah, Hunger’s response to Del is too buddy/buddy for my liking. Perhaps if he expands upon what made him feel uneasy about Dels questioning I would feel better. Instead he dismisses this so-called wariness and townreads Del. That doesn’t sit right with me. Add on the fact he is townreading most players at this point. Except wizard where he barns Dels.
295 – “That seems like some excellent analysis, Hunger.” – if Hunger ends up being town I might come to this. Seems to be buddying out of nowhere.
303 – And after Hunger fencesits Wildfire ignores it and gives his own read. I should probably check how Kaze had done at this point later.
That takes me about half way through the game. More to come.
Good to see Antny jumping right in on things. Makes me feel even better about the Kaze slot.
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Because that's all you're getting.
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It's all you should get tbqh
Well well. Nice of you to at least get semi-involved
Yeah, Menu, I'm not really sure what you're driving at here. No matter what the circumstances pre-claim, you don't lynch a doctor day one.
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Yes, Chris is at fault for getting him to claim early. But in all fairness, even with SNL's intervention, Robo would have been pushed to claim today almost certainly.
His response seems adequate. There really is no other response to a day one doc claim.
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So, plum lynch? plz plz plz plz plz.
I'm leaning town on Plum. Show me a convincing case.
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Selesyna continues to be a slamdunk lynch.
Him being scum
SNL doesn't look that bad though I don't think. (I like back flipping)
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