Iso, I'm going to have to get used to playing with your main account (oddly had played with two alts of yours but never the main). I went from having a firm townread on that slot when Arn left to having it be one of my two scum reads Today.
I decided to be lazy and ride to endgame on being the Cop. I probably could've had better reads if I had tried.
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@Dkings It does.Read the part about the bearer again Dkings.
As for the rest, I agree with you dkings. Balance dictated ISO had to be scum. The masons and the cop v 2 scum is op. Rhanderic should have been part of the scumteam or he and Kosa should have been a second team. Add me being able to confirm as town at will. Insane.
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Yeah, bodyguard claim from Dag made me pause... but did make the case that elicited the claim so, was pleased with that.
Would have also defended Wildfire all game even prior to the Dag interactions - which is one of the reasons I kept suspecting Iso because I had asked him a few times to read the part of the game where I hounded Wildfire and he never changed his behavior or seemed nervous... and when he didn't do that and kept pushing Wildfire, that gave me a lot of concern. I had a strong Town read on Arn when he replaced so I was trying to reach out to Iso to use him as a sounding board for my reads but when he didn't seem interested I... dunno. Dag's early questioning had no direction so seeing that as a negative on me when I called it out also soured me.
Eh.
Main hiccup was the recency effect of Winterfell and really doubting that scum wouldn't have falseclaims in this game but I think we managed to pull together around that. If Rhanderic wasn't killed, I would have recommended them third in my PoE behind DK and Iso (since he copped me) mostly because I couldn't see how anyone else could have been scum based on their role or their play.
Good work by Proph, good reads by Rhanderic, good fortitude by Wildfire.
I'm finding it especially difficult to be a good sport about this game, so this is the only post-game post I'm going to make.
Congrats on beating a 2-man scum team with a) no false claims, b) no idea what a town role PM looked like, c) an item floating around that changed hands each night that conveniently roleblocks the NK (which, of course... I had), and d) a multitude of easily confirmable town roles + vanillas are linked via PM flavor.
Also, Scarlet either can't read or was lying... killing the player with the EMP device clearly did not remove it from the game.
I knew my only hope of pulling this out was to have Iso cop me last night, hence post 1255 trying to be just scummy enough to draw it out. When he claimed his investigation results, it was game over.
Hahahaha, I forgot you made that post or I might've investigated you instead - but I just couldn't overlook DCIII's scummy play.
I find it hilarious that my 2 strongest town reads were the scum and my strongest scum reads were two VT and an Innocent Child Mason. But at least I played "correctly"!
My scummy play?!? I was trying to hard to get you to engage/work with me from the time you joined. Haha... it was your laziness that I confused with scumminess.
Yeah, bodyguard claim from Dag made me pause... but did make the case that elicited the claim so, was pleased with that.
Would have also defended Wildfire all game even prior to the Dag interactions - which is one of the reasons I kept suspecting Iso because I had asked him a few times to read the part of the game where I hounded Wildfire and he never changed his behavior or seemed nervous... and when he didn't do that and kept pushing Wildfire, that gave me a lot of concern. I had a strong Town read on Arn when he replaced so I was trying to reach out to Iso to use him as a sounding board for my reads but when he didn't seem interested I... dunno. Dag's early questioning had no direction so seeing that as a negative on me when I called it out also soured me.
Eh.
Main hiccup was the recency effect of Winterfell and really doubting that scum wouldn't have falseclaims in this game but I think we managed to pull together around that. If Rhanderic wasn't killed, I would have recommended them third in my PoE behind DK and Iso (since he copped me) mostly because I couldn't see how anyone else could have been scum based on their role or their play.
Good work by Proph, good reads by Rhanderic, good fortitude by Wildfire.
I'm finding it especially difficult to be a good sport about this game, so this is the only post-game post I'm going to make.
Congrats on beating a 2-man scum team with a) no false claims, b) no idea what a town role PM looked like, c) an item floating around that changed hands each night that conveniently roleblocks the NK (which, of course... I had), and d) a multitude of easily confirmable town roles + vanillas are linked via PM flavor.
Also, Scarlet either can't read or was lying... killing the player with the EMP device clearly did not remove it from the game.
I knew my only hope of pulling this out was to have Iso cop me last night, hence post 1255 trying to be just scummy enough to draw it out. When he claimed his investigation results, it was game over.
Hahahaha, I forgot you made that post or I might've investigated you instead - but I just couldn't overlook DCIII's scummy play.
I find it hilarious that my 2 strongest town reads were the scum and my strongest scum reads were two VT and an Innocent Child Mason. But at least I played "correctly"!
My scummy play?!? I was trying to hard to get you to engage/work with me from the time you joined. Haha... it was your laziness that I confused with scumminess.
Could've been scum buddying. I just didn't have my head entirely in the game and I think I need to keep myself to 1-2 games at a time instead of 3 like I did here.
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Rhanderic - I kept thinking that it would have been really hard to fake your play as scum... the SK makes sense. It would have been hard to catch you because if you hadn't died the PoE wouldn't have been as clear. You probably would have had it.
I'm finding it especially difficult to be a good sport about this game, so this is the only post-game post I'm going to make.
Congrats on beating a 2-man scum team with a) no false claims, b) no idea what a town role PM looked like, c) an item floating around that changed hands each night that conveniently roleblocks the NK (which, of course... I had), and d) a multitude of easily confirmable town roles + vanillas are linked via PM flavor.
Also, Scarlet either can't read or was lying... killing the player with the EMP device clearly did not remove it from the game.
I knew my only hope of pulling this out was to have Iso cop me last night, hence post 1255 trying to be just scummy enough to draw it out. When he claimed his investigation results, it was game over.
The bolded was the same for us. But I think Cythare learned his lesson and will provide falseclaims or at least a sample town PM from now on.
This. Actually, my plan at least for my next couple games is "original flavor", which somewhat skirts the falseclaim issue. I'm not sure about the sample PM, but I'm open to it.
Rhanderic - I kept thinking that it would have been really hard to fake your play as scum... the SK makes sense. It would have been hard to catch you because if you hadn't died the PoE wouldn't have been as clear. You probably would have had it.
That's what we keep saying to ourselves as well
I think this was the only way to get rid of us: pass us the EMP to expose us and then kill us next night.
Town and scum worked well together lol.
I agree. They played very well as a Neutral - which is one thing that makes pegging Neutrals rather difficult, if someone has the right mindset for it.
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Rhanderic - I kept thinking that it would have been really hard to fake your play as scum... the SK makes sense. It would have been hard to catch you because if you hadn't died the PoE wouldn't have been as clear. You probably would have had it.
That's what we keep saying to ourselves as well
I think this was the only way to get rid of us: pass us the EMP to expose us and then kill us next night.
Town and scum worked well together lol.
Yeah. The one thing that I had my eye on (and maybe you saw it when I wondered why you weren't weighing in on the Proph thing) is that the posting went from about 1-1 or even 2-1 Generic to mostly Generic... so I was starting to wonder if you were having trouble keeping pace and staying aligned. Dunno if I would have mounted on that, though.
@Iso - no worries, I'd be in the same boat... two games is about my max and it all worked out. Plus, you cleared me instead of copping DK, which was right on.
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Yeah, Generic, you guys were awesome this game. If Dkings hadn't shot you overnight, you almost certainly would have won.
Also, my start was rocky here, for sure. I honestly did just misread Void's initial post and it threw me on the defensive badly. My play's improved a lot since then (or at least I'd like to think).
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@Dciii: My activity sank in all my games the last few months.
There are a few changes all at once in my life. I was happy to let Generic do the talking in this one.
I kept up though, and much if not most of what he posted was ran through our chat first.
What you saw in thread was mostly a common opinion.
Iso, I had the informative counter (innocent child) plus 3 conftown v 2 scum is impossible for scum to win.
By the way, I am stealing the part about the SK getting active abilities. I may modify it though. Do work on balance though please. It was fun but I understand dkings rant.
I'm finding it especially difficult to be a good sport about this game, so this is the only post-game post I'm going to make.
Congrats on beating a 2-man scum team with a) no false claims, b) no idea what a town role PM looked like, c) an item floating around that changed hands each night that conveniently roleblocks the NK (which, of course... I had), and d) a multitude of easily confirmable town roles + vanillas are linked via PM flavor.
We were linked by more than flavor. I was explicitly told HP was town. I was surprised when she had doubts.
Also, Scarlet either can't read or was lying... killing the player with the EMP device clearly did not remove it from the game.
I knew my only hope of pulling this out was to have Iso cop me last night, hence post 1255 trying to be just scummy enough to draw it out. When he claimed his investigation results, it was game over.
The bolded was the same for us. But I think Cythare learned his lesson and will provide falseclaims or at least a sample town PM from now on.
This. Actually, my plan at least for my next couple games is "original flavor", which somewhat skirts the falseclaim issue. I'm not sure about the sample PM, but I'm open to it.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
Cythare, was this an attempt to make a "fixed" version of Empires of Astarte? The whole four factions thing with a thief, a neutral kill, two scum, and an item that can move around seems very reminiscient.
This was definitely a crazy setup. Town was...
VT/VT/VT with Med Training/Mason/Mason with mod-confirmation/X-Shot Doc/2-shot alignment 1-shot role cop/Inventor
And scum had Bulletproof Blocker/Godfather Rolecop
And then the strongest SK I've ever heard of and a kinda meh Thief
The EMP is also a weird item to balance around.
I feel like the town could have been a little weaker here. Losing the Masons or the Mod-confirmation on Scarlet seems fair. Could probably also lose the Item Cop on Iso.
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Oh, one more thing: I love that my reads were completely ass-backwards and yet I still had my vote on scum at the end of each Day I was in-game and my Cop target (of DCIII and dking) was the one that would've won us the game.
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As I pointed out to nat in the spectator chat, if you were town reading me you were right on a technicality. We were essentially town in our motives because we wanted scum dead too. You guys might have noticed the change the moment we switched to try and win in endgame... But then maybe not
I think I did, but I wasn't invested enough to act on it. Or my phone ate my post and I forgot, or something.
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I was following this game for a bit when it started - my reads weren't great, though!
Might use Iterated again - that playstyle was like a breath of fresh air for me, after my wordiness in Winterfell. Gimmicks lose some of their effectiveness when the identity is known, but eh - Iso pulled it off in Futurama.
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Well, it's always fun to be part of a game where Town isn't lynched (if you're Town, I suppose).
Even thought it was chaotic at times, I think Town as a whole did a good job of bouying each other.
Rhanderic would have been hard to catch, though, so... Town MVP to DK? I kid, I kid.
One thing from the scum chat - I'd disagree with DK that I tunnel. I pressure hard... but tunneling usually implies that I'm ignoring other things or have a tendency to not come off of my reads when merited, and I don't think that's accurate.
I know... and I had been on Dag, too got distracted. Then I wagoned him up again and got distracted by his claim.... Can I count that as two scum catches?
I still maintain that this game is scumsided given normal player expectations--however, between Gen+Rhand playing SK exceptionally well(seriously, every-night commuter IS broken by any metric) and the lack of fakeclaims things kinda messed up.
But besides that, I think this game should finally prove to people that, yes, when I setup spec, I do it well. I had the whole setup pinned on day one.
Okay, been reading the various quicktimes in installments, but very much enjoyed the Hydra read - was glad to see you all were reading Dag, Proph, and Iso all the same way I was late Day 2 - you just weren't as vocal about it due to your role. I wondered why Rhand clammed up about it and didn't join me on Proph. Was also glad to see you had me as your firm Town read. I felt like I was taking crazy pills there for a while at the end of Day 2 with the way certain players were reacting to me.
Anyway - one of my favorite parts of Mafia is reading what was happening behind the scenes after a game. GG, folks!
So yeah, this game was a learning experience for me, and I thank you all for taking part in it.
The four factions thing maybe was not as balanced as I thought. This was not intended to be a "fixed Empire of Astarte", but was based loosely on a Specialty game that I designed 1.5 years ago but lost access to after a hard drive crash. It had 21 players, 1 of which was Town, and the other 20 were scattered among 8-10 different teams - some were 1 player, others were up to 3 players. It was fun, but super convoluted. This was an attempt to try and fit some amount of that wackiness into a Mini.
In terms of things that didn't work, the biggest flaw was the lack of falseclaims, and for that, I apologize. I've never really liked them conceptually - it seems like a huge flavor disconnect - which is why I didn't include them here. That said, the lack of falseclaims was a huge detriment to the scumteam, so I'll be looking to include them in the future or have flavor that doesn't necessitate it, either using original flavor or not-scummy role names.
The other thing that I am frustrated for missing in design is that HookerPunch should have been a Neighbor. The idea was that Scarlet was a Mason and knew HookerPunch's identity, but since Scarlet's alignment could be proven by the Innocent ability, HP didn't need to know it.
I thought I had more stuff to say on the setup, but you guys have probably all seen it in the spec chat by now and I had a long night, so I'll leave it here.
I don't really mind the lack of falseclaims since I've played DX a lot, but what really killed me was quite random set of role names:D Wing Hui, Deadalus, Tracer Tong - if I were Town I would probably lynch such claimers on a spot. After I saw Taggart, Pritchard and Sarif I assumed all players are major characters so I went with Bobby. I was INCREDIBLY unlucky here - everyone who played this game probably knows how minor character he was:P
It made me sad that your high opinion of my was all a rouse! Haha.
I decided to be lazy and ride to endgame on being the Cop. I probably could've had better reads if I had tried.
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As for the rest, I agree with you dkings. Balance dictated ISO had to be scum. The masons and the cop v 2 scum is op. Rhanderic should have been part of the scumteam or he and Kosa should have been a second team. Add me being able to confirm as town at will. Insane.
Oh right, you were another one of my strongest town reads. Well-played.
Heh, why do you think I made Colo games need reviews? ;p
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Would have also defended Wildfire all game even prior to the Dag interactions - which is one of the reasons I kept suspecting Iso because I had asked him a few times to read the part of the game where I hounded Wildfire and he never changed his behavior or seemed nervous... and when he didn't do that and kept pushing Wildfire, that gave me a lot of concern. I had a strong Town read on Arn when he replaced so I was trying to reach out to Iso to use him as a sounding board for my reads but when he didn't seem interested I... dunno. Dag's early questioning had no direction so seeing that as a negative on me when I called it out also soured me.
Eh.
Main hiccup was the recency effect of Winterfell and really doubting that scum wouldn't have falseclaims in this game but I think we managed to pull together around that. If Rhanderic wasn't killed, I would have recommended them third in my PoE behind DK and Iso (since he copped me) mostly because I couldn't see how anyone else could have been scum based on their role or their play.
Good work by Proph, good reads by Rhanderic, good fortitude by Wildfire.
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My scummy play?!? I was trying to hard to get you to engage/work with me from the time you joined. Haha... it was your laziness that I confused with scumminess.
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Yeah, sorry about that - I wasn't interested.
No.
Could've been scum buddying. I just didn't have my head entirely in the game and I think I need to keep myself to 1-2 games at a time instead of 3 like I did here.
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This. Actually, my plan at least for my next couple games is "original flavor", which somewhat skirts the falseclaim issue. I'm not sure about the sample PM, but I'm open to it.
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That's what we keep saying to ourselves as well
I think this was the only way to get rid of us: pass us the EMP to expose us and then kill us next night.
Town and scum worked well together lol.
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Yeah. The one thing that I had my eye on (and maybe you saw it when I wondered why you weren't weighing in on the Proph thing) is that the posting went from about 1-1 or even 2-1 Generic to mostly Generic... so I was starting to wonder if you were having trouble keeping pace and staying aligned. Dunno if I would have mounted on that, though.
@Iso - no worries, I'd be in the same boat... two games is about my max and it all worked out. Plus, you cleared me instead of copping DK, which was right on.
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Also, my start was rocky here, for sure. I honestly did just misread Void's initial post and it threw me on the defensive badly. My play's improved a lot since then (or at least I'd like to think).
Dkings: Why'd you choose to shoot Generic rather than Killjoy/Iso? Just because you didn't want to risk missing with KJ's WIFOMing the doc shot?
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There are a few changes all at once in my life. I was happy to let Generic do the talking in this one.
I kept up though, and much if not most of what he posted was ran through our chat first.
What you saw in thread was mostly a common opinion.
By the way, I am stealing the part about the SK getting active abilities. I may modify it though. Do work on balance though please. It was fun but I understand dkings rant.
Can we get scum/spectate/hydra QTs?
This was definitely a crazy setup. Town was...
VT/VT/VT with Med Training/Mason/Mason with mod-confirmation/X-Shot Doc/2-shot alignment 1-shot role cop/Inventor
And scum had Bulletproof Blocker/Godfather Rolecop
And then the strongest SK I've ever heard of and a kinda meh Thief
The EMP is also a weird item to balance around.
I feel like the town could have been a little weaker here. Losing the Masons or the Mod-confirmation on Scarlet seems fair. Could probably also lose the Item Cop on Iso.
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@Wildfire: It wasn't specifically modeled on Empire, but it came up in review.
I'm out, so can't share more right now, but if anyone else wants to post chats, go for it.
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Generic, we were always allowed to talk N1. The mod designed yhat exemption.
Mod, you have permission to post my role pm. I would post it now but I won't have comp access until Tuesday.
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
Town Win % = 75%
Mafia Win % = 75%
Overall Win % = 75%
Completed Game Log
2014: Best Mafia Performance (Group)
2014: Most Improved Player
2014: Best Town Player
2014: Best Overall Player
Hydra http://www.quicktopic.com/50/H/5WegfCVBm9cb
Mafia http://www.quicktopic.com/50/H/2ADQMFnQZ4GpF
Mason http://quicktopic.com/50/H/Wjd3eJASxxi
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
Currently Playing:
Legacy: Something U/W Controlish
EDH Cube
Hypercube! A New EDH Deck Every Week(ish)!
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
Currently Playing:
Legacy: Something U/W Controlish
EDH Cube
Hypercube! A New EDH Deck Every Week(ish)!
I think I did, but I wasn't invested enough to act on it. Or my phone ate my post and I forgot, or something.
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
I was following this game for a bit when it started - my reads weren't great, though!
Might use Iterated again - that playstyle was like a breath of fresh air for me, after my wordiness in Winterfell. Gimmicks lose some of their effectiveness when the identity is known, but eh - Iso pulled it off in Futurama.
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
SK, scum, town, scum.
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
Even thought it was chaotic at times, I think Town as a whole did a good job of bouying each other.
Rhanderic would have been hard to catch, though, so... Town MVP to DK? I kid, I kid.
One thing from the scum chat - I'd disagree with DK that I tunnel. I pressure hard... but tunneling usually implies that I'm ignoring other things or have a tendency to not come off of my reads when merited, and I don't think that's accurate.
Town Win % = 75%
Mafia Win % = 75%
Overall Win % = 75%
Completed Game Log
2014: Best Mafia Performance (Group)
2014: Most Improved Player
2014: Best Town Player
2014: Best Overall Player
I know... and I had been on Dag, too got distracted. Then I wagoned him up again and got distracted by his claim.... Can I count that as two scum catches?
Town Win % = 75%
Mafia Win % = 75%
Overall Win % = 75%
Completed Game Log
2014: Best Mafia Performance (Group)
2014: Most Improved Player
2014: Best Town Player
2014: Best Overall Player
Town Win % = 75%
Mafia Win % = 75%
Overall Win % = 75%
Completed Game Log
2014: Best Mafia Performance (Group)
2014: Most Improved Player
2014: Best Town Player
2014: Best Overall Player
Currently Playing:
Legacy: Something U/W Controlish
EDH Cube
Hypercube! A New EDH Deck Every Week(ish)!
But besides that, I think this game should finally prove to people that, yes, when I setup spec, I do it well. I had the whole setup pinned on day one.
Anyways good job town!
Either way, we're all gonna burn
BTW, I did this tonight... damn you, Wildfire
Town Win % = 75%
Mafia Win % = 75%
Overall Win % = 75%
Completed Game Log
2014: Best Mafia Performance (Group)
2014: Most Improved Player
2014: Best Town Player
2014: Best Overall Player
Anyway - one of my favorite parts of Mafia is reading what was happening behind the scenes after a game. GG, folks!
Town Win % = 75%
Mafia Win % = 75%
Overall Win % = 75%
Completed Game Log
2014: Best Mafia Performance (Group)
2014: Most Improved Player
2014: Best Town Player
2014: Best Overall Player
The four factions thing maybe was not as balanced as I thought. This was not intended to be a "fixed Empire of Astarte", but was based loosely on a Specialty game that I designed 1.5 years ago but lost access to after a hard drive crash. It had 21 players, 1 of which was Town, and the other 20 were scattered among 8-10 different teams - some were 1 player, others were up to 3 players. It was fun, but super convoluted. This was an attempt to try and fit some amount of that wackiness into a Mini.
In terms of things that didn't work, the biggest flaw was the lack of falseclaims, and for that, I apologize. I've never really liked them conceptually - it seems like a huge flavor disconnect - which is why I didn't include them here. That said, the lack of falseclaims was a huge detriment to the scumteam, so I'll be looking to include them in the future or have flavor that doesn't necessitate it, either using original flavor or not-scummy role names.
The other thing that I am frustrated for missing in design is that HookerPunch should have been a Neighbor. The idea was that Scarlet was a Mason and knew HookerPunch's identity, but since Scarlet's alignment could be proven by the Innocent ability, HP didn't need to know it.
I thought I had more stuff to say on the setup, but you guys have probably all seen it in the spec chat by now and I had a long night, so I'll leave it here.
Draft my cube! (630 cards)
It made me sad that your high opinion of my was all a rouse! Haha.
Town Win % = 75%
Mafia Win % = 75%
Overall Win % = 75%
Completed Game Log
2014: Best Mafia Performance (Group)
2014: Most Improved Player
2014: Best Town Player
2014: Best Overall Player