Blegh, see. This is why I'm having a hard time getting a read on killjoy - his posts are just mashed up walls of quotes and questions.
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I KINDA understand the RVS wagon logic. But, I don't see how staying silent would bait more votes onto you? Also, IDK how much the game has changed since I was here last, but I recall someone getting to L-2 only once ever. I'm not sure how you can reasonably expect that as a gambit target. Can you name some games where the RVS wagon got up to L-2 for me?
Off the top of my head: Pleasantville and Smalltown Swap.
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But, now you're saying that you were gambiting in RVS. It's obvious you lied, but what I want to know is what you hoped to gain from lying here? The gambit had already failed, so why not just explain your gambit here? Why wait till now?
My vote on you was random. It wasn't connected to the gambit at all.
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Define 'good'?
I have townreads on most of the people on the Arianrhod wagon, so I have nowhere to look to find the opportunistic scum on the wagon (both Shockwave and Pizza are off the wagon). That's why I stated I had a hard time getting reads this game - because I can usually catch one opportunistic scum jumping on a town bandwagon.
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Given that you answered this question twice, I assume you know what i mean by this question. So, why would you ask that? What part of the question confused you?
"How does being a bulldog help you tell alignment?" - that question is a playstyle thing.
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And I already explained why I unvoted him but I'll do it again... When I voted him I could see no townie reason for his posts that I called out. Then someone pointed out that he could be reaction baiting. Then I thought that town COULD be doing that, so now there was a town reason for him to do what he did. If I had realized that before I voted, I wouldn't have voted in the first place. So therefore, the reason for voting at all was no longer there, so I saw no reason to keep my vote on him.
OK, I can buy this.
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You didn't answer this before. You just said "Did you read my post?"
Why so much more helpful the second time around?
Because I thought I answered it in my previous posts.
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Is it? It reads as sincere to me. Both of those situations are viable.
I don't like how you call this 'textbook'. Feels like you're trying to qualify your statement.
"He could be scum doing X, or he could be town who is doing Y. Either way, NONCONCLUSIVE STATEMENT"
This is textbook material.
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I recall enjoying that game. I might be biased because I was scum and we won though.
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I wanted to get my thoughts in there before I voted. I also am trying to get more votes on you.
You will fail.
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It's Iso, isn't it? I've been thinking that GS might be Iso. Is it Iso?
It's not Iso.
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What happens when we try? I'm down to try. How do you dictate the lynch?
Oh, and why the hell did you claim?
What do you mean by "down to try"?
I will dictate the lynch by engaging with the thread in a more active manner.
I did not claim. I was referring to myself being obvtown, and obvtown = unlynchable.
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Shockwave has barely posted. So, can you outline what Fern did to gather your attention? And why did you never say anything about him before?
Feranath did not do anything to gather my attention because he was difficult to read in Social Engineering Mafia II - I think that he might be the person who just looks naturally scummy. I was excited when Shockwave replaced in because he's the easiest person to read, and I wanted him to stick to his words in giving his reads.
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@fulcrum, sneakyhomunculus: What are your reads on killjoy? I'm having a hard time getting a read on him.
Crosschecking his meta:
I checked Famous Historical Figures and he asked pointless questions all game in a manner similar to here before he got lynched.
I checked Vanilla Mafia 2 (skimmed his ISO) and his posting style was similar. He was lynched Day 1 for reasons I forgot, though.
I will need to check a scum game of his before finishing the crosscheck.
Proph, why does your avatar look like Fulcrum's now? Also, how do you not have a read on Killjoy? I haven't been the best with reads this game, but even I have one for him. You say your gut is worried about him -- can you clarify that at all? Are you just declaring yourself sufficiently town-read that you're unlynchable, or are you actually claiming unlynchable as an ability? If the latter, we should test that, because if verified, you're unlikely to be scum.
GS, thanks for being a vitriolic ******** who has completely ruined the enjoyment of the game so far for me. No, I'm not going to ******* replace out because I have a busy stretch of a few days. If it was going to persist for a week or two, then sure. I'm not some douchebag who gets enjoyment out of dragging the game's pace down. If I thought it was going to be a problem, I would have the courtesy of letting the mod know as much. Sorry that my real life is inconvenient for you, prick. The last time I had this little fun in a game, DRey was involved, and I'm wondering now if that's who GS is. The playstyle fits, at least.
@Sneaky, regarding "strange" -- if you're summarizing, then that's fine...but you should at least either quantify that you're summarizing, or use the same language as from one of the posts that you're summarizing / something that I said. From my perspective, it read like a smear campaign -- I had never use "strange" as a descriptor (or, indeed, at all), and when something it put in quotations it implies that it is being highlighted from a post. I feel like there's a miscommunication here, as I look at the post chain. I feel like you've been smearing me, because I've had a very defensive mindset this game. See also: Survival Horror for an example of what happens to me when I get a role that I feel is important. I get the feeling from reading your posts again that you felt you were just pointing out something, and that you weren't actively trying to smear me. Would you say that's a fair assessment?
@Fulcrum -- yes, my ability has a name. But, as mod noted, I can't say what it is.
If there are other questions for me, point them out and I'll hopefully get to them later today. Otherwise, let's move on. I would really like to see more from SGCP. Unvote, Vote SunglassesCoolPizza.
While I find myself agreeing with a lot of GS's recent posts I don't think we should start having protection style roles claim left right and center at this junction. Arian won't last long if this a fakeclaim anyway.
Killjoy, can you expand on #20, please -- specifically why you chose to end RVS at that point?
He never follows up on this. Ergh.
Arian asks a question and gets a response 3 posts later. Is this the kind of thing you wanted to pick up on and say "Oh look how scummy Arian is?".
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This sounds a lot like backpedaling to me. Still the two players who voted me after you look more suspect and it would be surprising if the whole scumteam jumped on me so for the time being I'm willing to beleive your town.
Do you understand my progression, here?
Not really, I'm still having a hard time nailing down whether you believed your own case when you were getting going.
As for Arianrhod, most points looked so-so and I see it more that people are grasping for things to find scummy than there being any actual case.
I kinda feel myself waiting for SGCP to return before getting too involved in other points. Lethargic Antny is in the game.
No lethargy allowed. You have activated my trap card.
How is arian not lasting long if he's faking? That makes no sense.
Which posts (and which parts of them) of mine do you agree with?
Your post makes it appear that I said all three of the things you are quoting, when in fact 2/3rds of the post is by Proph. No action required from you here but I'd rather not have my name attached to a scum post.
I am considering a soft claim proposal but I need to mull it over. This would absolutely be a ridiculous game breaker if it works but I don't want to have to deal with the bull***** if it doesn't.
Could you break down where you find people grasping for straws about the Aryan case? You gave me one (which is from me) but I want more.
Please explain where you see Proph not believing his own case.
RE@SGCP: I think he -may- be scum. So far he's made a small handful of noncommittal posts, and he got called town by a super unusually silent Seppel. That's all that we know about him as of 10 pages in the game. I'm firmly of the opinion the best way to deal with lurkers is to pressure them into doing something, and I believe that's what needs to happen with SGCP. I reserve the right to change my vote if, once he starts producing content, I find it acceptable.
RE@You: Trying to look at you as objectively as possible, you've been vomiting into the thread with a ton of short posts (often in rapid succession to each other). You've been tremendously abrasive, cocky, and arrogant. This translates into one of two scenarios to me: you're either scum who's trying to go on the aggressive and make it so that you don't fall under suspicion by virtue of making others come across as suspicious first, or you're very confident/comfortable town. It's hard for me to make assessments without meta to fall back on, but at this point I'd put you at leaning town. You've at least been proactive and trying to progress the game, even if I don't like your playstyle at all. I still don't think you've produced much actual content yourself -- but you have been asking a lot of questions, scattered throughout your posts.
Sidenote (and this applies to everyone): PLEASE, PLEASE stop with the Aryan stuff. It's not funny, and I don't appreciate it =(
Consistent approach to SGCP (original response: Questionmark. I had to do a search to verify that he's even been posting at all.), consistent mindset with vote = pressure = producing content.
Followup query: Has Arian asked SGCP any specific questions or assigned him any tasks? Response: No, Arian has not directly communicated with SGCP once this game.
Generated questions for Arian:
1. Please ask SGCP some questions or give him some direction for when he returns. We do not want to enable active lurking.
2. Please recap your vote/unvote on sneakyhomunculus for me.
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Mindset and approach toward Self appears consistent with town mentality. Conclusion follows from premise. Request further inquiry. Emotion feels genuine; cross-reference previous games.
Note to self: Please review this game compared with SH.
Generated questions for Arian:
1. Do you not consider questions to be "content?"
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Disabling Arian -> Aryan
I expect SGCP to make a catchup post at some point, containing thoughts on current game state, my wagon, and my claim -- that's standard operating procedure. I'll likely have additional questions for him at that point.
Vote/Unvote on sneaky, if I'm being honest with myself, was more of an emotive/gut reaction than anything else. As I mentioned earlier, I felt as if I was being smeared and reacted poorly.
Questions/content -- that dips a little into theory-talk. When someone says "content," what pops into my head is a good-sized post with some paragraphs containing opinions...perhaps 3-4 paragraphs long. Questions may well be a part of content, but I don't think that simply sitting there asking questions and doing nothing but constitutes content. There has to be more.
As the sun started to rise higher in the sky over Winterfell, those below began to feel their gloom and dread thawing. It gave way to overwhelming anger. Accusations flew, and the din scattered the birds that had perched upon the branches of the Godswood with interest.
Proph started generating content when he gets pressured, remembered that he was supposed to act like he was town, then returned to lurking once the pressure was off.
Blegh, see. This is why I'm having a hard time getting a read on killjoy - his posts are just mashed up walls of quotes and questions.
So you're having a hard time contemplating all my content due to formatting? Really?
Off the top of my head: Pleasantville and Smalltown Swap.
I'll look at them later.
My vote on you was random. It wasn't connected to the gambit at all.
Hm. Ok.
I have townreads on most of the people on the Arianrhod wagon, so I have nowhere to look to find the opportunistic scum on the wagon (both Shockwave and Pizza are off the wagon). That's why I stated I had a hard time getting reads this game - because I can usually catch one opportunistic scum jumping on a town bandwagon.
What makes for 'opportunistic scum'? Rather, what would have to have happened to make you think someone was opportunistic scum jumping on his wagon?
"How does being a bulldog help you tell alignment?" - that question is a playstyle thing.
Ok.
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You didn't answer this before. You just said "Did you read my post?"
Why so much more helpful the second time around?
Because I thought I answered it in my previous posts.
You answered it this time because you thought you answered it before?
That doesn't make sense.
"He could be scum doing X, or he could be town who is doing Y. Either way, NONCONCLUSIVE STATEMENT"
This is textbook material.
Not coming to a conclusion on a read in a post =/= fencesitting. Not always anyway.
Fencesitting involves a lot of purposeful inconclusiveness specifically to avoid drawing attention from that person.
So, what would Sunglasses have had to gain from fencesitting on Seppel, both by your and my definitions? He was getting no pressure from Seppel, and given Seppel's participation this game, there's no reason to believe he would get any.
You will fail.
I wouldn't be so sure about that.
What do you mean by "down to try"?
I will dictate the lynch by engaging with the thread in a more active manner.
I did not claim. I was referring to myself being obvtown, and obvtown = unlynchable.
I thought you were claiming that we couldn't physically lynch you. I was saying I was willing to test that theory.
Note to self: Discuss use of 'obvtown' to describe self as a scumtell in Theory thred following the game.
No one has reason to believe you're town. Why do you think you're obvtown?
@fulcrum, sneakyhomunculus: What are your reads on killjoy? I'm having a hard time getting a read on him.
Still having trouble reading me, huh? Even after this post?
Crosschecking his meta:
I checked Famous Historical Figures and he asked pointless questions all game in a manner similar to here before he got lynched.
I checked Vanilla Mafia 2 (skimmed his ISO) and his posting style was similar. He was lynched Day 1 for reasons I forgot, though.
I will need to check a scum game of his before finishing the crosscheck.
1. Why did you choose those specific games?
2. Hm... Did you just say I'm asking pointless questions this game? If so, please tell me what questions I've asked that are useless?
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
I have a task for you. This will help me immensely in determining your alignment, and it should prove useful for the rest of us as well.
What I want you to do is fill out the following chart for each question I've listed:
Question: The text of your question.
Expected Answer: The answer you expect to get for your question assuming the person you are asking is town. That assumption is critically important to this section.
Impact on Read-Conflict: If the player gave you an answer other than your expected answer, how would that impact your read? Why?
Impact on Read-Agreement: If the player gives your expected answer, what does that do for your read? Why?
Killjoy's Rating: How crucial is it that you get the answer to this question, according to you?
GS's Rating: What do you think I, or any other outsider, think about that question, the potential responses, etc.?
This will obviously preclude Prophylaxis from answering these questions, but that's OK. You can ask him more and different questions later. I'm shotgunning these for my purposes. Prophylaxis, don't answer any of these.
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Question: "So you're having a hard time contemplating all my content due to formatting? Really?"
Expected Answer:
Impact on Read-C:
Impact on Read-A:
Killjoy's Rating:
GS's Rating:
Question: "what would have to have happened to make you think someone was opportunistic scum jumping on his wagon?"
Expected Answer:
Impact on Read-C:
Impact on Read-A:
Killjoy's Rating:
GS's Rating:
Question: "So, what would Sunglasses have had to gain from fencesitting on Seppel, both by your and my definitions?"
Expected Answer:
Impact on Read-C:
Impact on Read-A:
Killjoy's Rating:
GS's Rating:
Question: "No one has reason to believe you're town. Why do you think you're obvtown?"
Expected Answer:
Impact on Read-C:
Impact on Read-A:
Killjoy's Rating:
GS's Rating:
Question: "Why did you choose those specific games?"
Player and Read:
Expected Answer:
Impact on Read-C:
Impact on Read-A:
Killjoy's Rating:
GS's Rating:
Question: The text of your question.
Expected Answer: The answer you expect to get for your question assuming the person you are asking is town. That assumption is critically important to this section.
Impact on Read-Conflict: If the player gave you an answer other than your expected answer, how would that impact your read? Why?
Impact on Read-Agreement: If the player gives your expected answer, what does that do for your read? Why?
Killjoy's Rating: How crucial is it that you get the answer to this question, according to you?
GS's Rating: What do you think I, or any other outsider, think about that question, the potential responses, etc.?
This will obviously preclude Prophylaxis from answering these questions, but that's OK. You can ask him more and different questions later. I'm shotgunning these for my purposes. Prophylaxis, don't answer any of these.
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Question: "So you're having a hard time contemplating all my content due to formatting? Really?"
Expected Answer: This answer was mostly rhetorical. I was surprised that given his earlier reads on me that his views have changed apparently so drastically. Specifically this was not my expected response to my play.
Impact on Read-C: I can't see an answer to this really impacting anything, like I said, rhetorical.
Impact on Read-A: Same
Killjoy's Rating: Same
GS's Rating: Same
Question: "what would have to have happened to make you think someone was opportunistic scum jumping on his wagon?"
Expected Answer: This is more of me trying to get into his head. He says there was no opportunistic scum on the wagon, but fulcrum's entrance onto the wagon was literally just "Choo Choo, vote". Even if he has a town read on her, if he was looking for scummy jumps onto Arian's wagon, I figured he would at least ask a question or two about that post. It makes me think he wasn't being entirely honest about his analysis of the wagon. (This is all a long way of saying that I was expecting to him to describe something similar to fulcrum's post as scummy jumping so I could follow up with asking for an explanation of his lack of questions about fulcrum's post)
Impact on Read-C: I still would have asked him about fulcrum's post, but if his answer correlated with him analyzing the Arian wagon, then he's being honest and I would have kept that in mind when reading him again looking at his mindset.
Impact on Read-A: If fulcrum's post fell under his description, as described above, I would have followed up in the way I described above. It would have given him scum points.
Killjoy's Rating: Very crucial.
GS's Rating: After I followed up, others would have seen where I was going with it I would hope.
Question: "So, what would Sunglasses have had to gain from fencesitting on Seppel, both by your and my definitions?"
Expected Answer: I don't know, actually. I see no gain from fencesitting on Seppel at this time, but if Prophy does then I'd like to hear it. It's possible he doesn't have a reason though, and was trying to paint Pizza.
Impact on Read-C: If he does have a good reason, and I missed it, then I'd think about it from there. Determine it's merit and go on.
Impact on Read-A: If he doesn't have a reason, then he made up the read and he gets scum points.
Killjoy's Rating: Somewhat crucial
GS's Rating: If anyone has any questions as to the validity of this question, I'd ask them to ask it to themselves: What would Pizza have to gain by fencesitting on a non-entity like Seppel at that time?
Question: "No one has reason to believe you're town. Why do you think you're obvtown?"
Expected Answer: This was more curiosity. He's far from obvtown. So why is he saying it?
Impact on Read-C: I don't see him giving an answer that would sway me either way. Curosity, like I said.
Impact on Read-A: Same
Killjoy's Rating: I suppose this question is 'poineltss' in that it doesn't provide insight into the game.
GS's Rating: No idea. Make what you want of it. This was a question asked out of curiosity.
Question: "Why did you choose those specific games?"
Player and Read:
Expected Answer: Not sure about that, it just struck me that he chose FHF which i barely remember playing in. Did he choose these games for a reason, or just randomly? Nothing expected per se
Impact on Read-C: IDK. Depends on his answer I suppose.
Impact on Read-A:Same
Killjoy's Rating: Semi-crucial. I wanna know why he chose those games over others.
GS's Rating: IDK what you should think of it, actually.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
fulcrum made the avatar for me, but why did you ask that question? It seems strange because it's lumped in with a bunch of questions relevant to the game.
I wanted to town-read killjoy but a couple of stuff twinged my gut - he's pretty hard to read for me because his posting style is generally "ask a bunch of questions to PLAYER X, when PLAYER X responds to those questions, follow up on them to a never-ending quote-war" which is obviously difficult to divine his alignment from.
I am a player who sucks as scum and is generally decent at being town. You don't lynch somebody that has a decent town game and obvtowns in 90% of town games he's in.
And GS is not DRey (shame, wanted to play with him again before he retired)
@sneakyhomunculus
In your post, you say:
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I also find it somewhat jarring that many of your posts often are walls of quotes
..and you state that you had a hard time getting a read on Antny. If so, can you walk me through your killjoy town read? His posts are very similar (walls of quotes).
@Proph: I asked about the avatar because I've seen people change their avatars to reflect in-game things before (I believe this happened in AI's Hobbit game, for example), and I was curious about why it looked like Fulcrum's. If it's just that she made it for you, then I guess that's fine. Sidenote: I don't understand why either of them are supposed to signify. I'm guessing it's some obscure math thing which will not make any sense to me.
@HookerPunch: I'm assuming you'll be making a catchup post touching on the salient points so far as you read the game. In that post, can you please address the following specifically:
-) Thoughts on Seppel
-) Thoughts on my wagon, especially those who voted on it
SH and ITF have been trying to figure out the game, and I have minor townreads on fulcrum and iRebel. I know someone is scum in that group of four, which would normally make me want to re-examine my reads - but I haven't seen anything scummy from those four yet. :/
@fulcrum
Could I tempt you with a vote switch to Shockwave? He has a strong meta scumtell of replacing in and not giving reads.
SH and ITF have been trying to figure out the game, and I have minor townreads on fulcrum and iRebel. I know someone is scum in that group of four, which would normally make me want to re-examine my reads - but I haven't seen anything scummy from those four yet. :/
@fulcrum
Could I tempt you with a vote switch to Shockwave? He has a strong meta scumtell of replacing in and not giving reads.
Could I tempt you with a vote switch to Shockwave? He has a strong meta scumtell of replacing in and not giving reads.
Show me some games where he did this as scum and where he didn't do it as town. I actually thought the way he went straight for GS's throat was pretty towny. Also, I feel like you're trying to court me because I was voting for Feranath earlier and I'm a lot higher on your town list than I expected with the way our last game together went, so I'm not inclined to follow you around.
Hmm, killjoy. I'm not fond of the way he derailed the RVS wagon on you, nor his reasons for doing so. The pressure on GS felt like he was voting for superficial reasons rather than trying to figure out GS mindset. Don't like the way he responded to my question with a question or the way he unvoted and just let his vote lie there. It's especially weird because he continued to pressure GS afterwards. Later questions are better, case against Proph is whatever. He's asking questions and responding to a lot of things, but it all lacks purpose. Not my favorite lynch, but I could go for it.
Fake townslips are a thing? Or at least I dunno why Seppel cleared whats his face. On one hand I could go with the advice of a sage player of mine where "people pointing out townslips are town", but I'm very =/'d by Seppel's warning to the mod.
Oh yeah I'm still not sure why Arianhod claimed. And why do we care about doctors anyway? Role's kinda *****ty.
The alt's wishing for content is silly, but from a town place I guess. It's emotionally constant at least.
(page 8 thoughts--forum ate post at that point)
Caught up now, though, p sure proph is scum or severely off his game. His analysis post was hilarious and I know my slot was a pretty easy target(still is prob), but let's go. Vote: Prophylaxis
Also considering day one massclaim. I find it not unlikely to break the game(sorry DCIII). At the very least, if there is a doc-equivalent, they should claim so we can start playing the setup spec game. I'm good at that.
So I tuned out like all the giant quote walls--I'd apologize, but I'm not really sorry.
How is arian not lasting long if he's faking? That makes no sense.
Unless Arian gets lucky and we zero protection, eventually another claim will emerge.
Which posts (and which parts of them) of mine do you agree with?
192, 195, 204
Your post makes it appear that I said all three of the things you are quoting, when in fact 2/3rds of the post is by Proph. No action required from you here but I'd rather not have my name attached to a scum post.
Whoops, it's too late to even EBWOP.
Could you break down where you find people grasping for straws about the Aryan case? You gave me one (which is from me) but I want more.
I think I mentioned my opinions on Proph's original points earlier (and I anticipate a long discussion over it at some point).
ITF's 63 was just two points and the second point was fairly vague while his final question basically asked Arian to repeat what he had said in the quote.
Sneaky's 73 is basically how dare you ignore my rvs looking vote and do other stuff.
Fulcrum is just keen to get onto a wagon (she was also #4 on Proph as well earlier). I don't know her play well enough to know what to make of this.
iRebel - not sure what to make off this vote, iRebel has not been present for a large proportion of this game.
Please explain where you see Proph not believing his own case.
His comments to Killjoy in post 80 suggested he never really thought the case was particularly voteworthy but he simply looking for something to break us out of rvs.
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I think I mentioned my opinions on Proph's original points earlier (and I anticipate a long discussion over it at some point).
ITF's 63 was just two points and the second point was fairly vague while his final question basically asked Arian to repeat what he had said in the quote.
Sneaky's 73 is basically how dare you ignore my rvs looking vote and do other stuff.
Fulcrum is just keen to get onto a wagon (she was also #4 on Proph as well earlier). I don't know her play well enough to know what to make of this.
iRebel - not sure what to make off this vote, iRebel has not been present for a large proportion of this game.
You are really simplifying the case. Did you read post 133?
Seppel: Do me a favor. Explain, in your own words, why you think Proph is scum.
Hmm, killjoy. I'm not fond of the way he derailed the RVS wagon on you, nor his reasons for doing so. The pressure on GS felt like he was voting for superficial reasons rather than trying to figure out GS mindset. Don't like the way he responded to my question with a question or the way he unvoted and just let his vote lie there. It's especially weird because he continued to pressure GS afterwards. Later questions are better, case against Proph is whatever. He's asking questions and responding to a lot of things, but it all lacks purpose. Not my favorite lynch, but I could go for it.
Actually, my reasons for voting GS in the first place were entirely reactionary. I saw scummy thing, I voted for person who did it. So, yes. I can confirm that my vote was superficial in that I didn't really think much before doing it. It just kinda... happened.
But you say my questions lack purpose. Can you expand on that a bit? GS has already said his piece on it, and since you're saying it too, I'd like to hear from you.
Also, where is Prophy on your town list?
Oh yeah I'm still not sure why Arianhod claimed. And why do we care about doctors anyway? Role's kinda *****ty.
The alt's wishing for content is silly, but from a town place I guess. It's emotionally constant at least.
(page 8 thoughts--forum ate post at that point)
Caught up now, though, p sure proph is scum or severely off his game. His analysis post was hilarious and I know my slot was a pretty easy target(still is prob), but let's go. Vote: Prophylaxis
Also considering day one massclaim. I find it not unlikely to break the game(sorry DCIII). At the very least, if there is a doc-equivalent, they should claim so we can start playing the setup spec game. I'm good at that.
So I tuned out like all the giant quote walls--I'd apologize, but I'm not really sorry.
Arian claimed because he was at L-2.
Also no to the massclaim.
Why do you think we would benefit from a massclaim?
And yes I'm very blatantly fishing there, so no you don't get to call it fishing.
Yeah... that's not how it works. We can call it fishing all we want.
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Now, other stuff. Can we have everyone, in their next post list their 3 top scums with reasons, please?
Mine are: Prophy due to the fact that I think he's lying about a lot of his mindset, and is not looking for who's on the town team (presumably because he already knows)
Second/Third: HookerPunch/Seppel. Hooker it depends on his massclaim logic. I see no benefit for the town at all, but maybe he does? IDK. And something's off about Seppel this game. His posting has been... IDK I need to look back at his games because I remember something about him having very clear tells as both alignments.
A distant Fourth and Fifth are fulcrum and Arian. Fulcrum could be scum of Prophy is scum because he ignored her scummy jump onto the Arian wagon (+ a bit of a gut read), and Arian is due to his lack of followup on a few things, for reasons previously stated.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
Mine are: Prophy due to the fact that I think he's lying about a lot of his mindset, and is not looking for who's on the town team (presumably because he already knows)
Second/Third: HookerPunch/Seppel. Hooker it depends on his massclaim logic. I see no benefit for the town at all, but maybe he does? IDK. And something's off about Seppel this game. His posting has been... IDK I need to look back at his games because I remember something about him having very clear tells as both alignments.
If HookerPunch/Seppel are your secondary scumreads, why are you voting with them?
Can you clarify your read on me with relation to HookerPunch and Seppel?
Mine are: Prophy due to the fact that I think he's lying about a lot of his mindset, and is not looking for who's on the town team (presumably because he already knows)
Second/Third: HookerPunch/Seppel. Hooker it depends on his massclaim logic. I see no benefit for the town at all, but maybe he does? IDK. And something's off about Seppel this game. His posting has been... IDK I need to look back at his games because I remember something about him having very clear tells as both alignments.
If HookerPunch/Seppel are your secondary scumreads, why are you voting with them?
Can you clarify your read on me with relation to HookerPunch and Seppel?
As to your first question, I'm voting for you because I'm pretty confident that you're scum. As to why Hooker/Seppel is voting you, IDK you'd have to ask them. It should be noted that if you do flip scum, Fulcrum passes Seppel in scumminess.
(Also Arian should have been 5th, not 4th.)
As to the second question, I'm not sure I understand the question.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
I insinuated the reason in the post asking for the list. I'll explain more indepth tomorrow or Tuesday on that point specifically since it's one of my major points against Prophy
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
GS: Pressure vote. Proph posted and ignored my request for info on Shockwave, when that query should have been his priority if he actually believes Shockwave is scum. That, I have a general feeling that Proph is off.
killjoy: Then it's a good thing I didn't join the Arianrhod wagon for no reason, isn't it?
You have me as your primary scumread, and Natirasha/Seppel as your secondary scumreads. Do you think that Natirasha/Seppel are bussing me, if that's the case?
Why are you voting with the people you're calling scum?
And I already gave you my top three scumreads.
@fulcrum
I found something regarding Shockwave's meta that requires me to get some more information out of him (namely, as I was looking at meta, he did something similar re: GS as he did with Wheat in Hayate). I need Shockwave to post a bit more.
This wagon is terrible. :/
GS tunnels me immediately from her first post based upon extremely weak reasoning (I didn't say hi to her) and never bothers to analyze my posts beyond #52. I swear that she's spent more time sorting out her secondary scumreads (Arian, killjoy) than me.
(also: If you know that I'm town but pushing my wagon anyways please stop.)
Seppel's 6 out of 10 posts are useless tunneling and he voted me based on having "abnormal behavior and explanations".
I'm back and forth on killjoy, but I did some cursory research of his meta and found that he posts a lot more in his town games.
Seance Mafia: 93 posts, 3rd highest poster (survived to endgame)
Magic School Bus: 28 posts, 3rd lowest poster (survived to endgame, anomaly)
Amnesia Mafia: 346 posts, 2nd highest poster (survived to endgame)
Osteria Mafia: 67 posts, 9th highest poster (survived to endgame)
Clue Mafia: 67 posts, 9th highest poster (survived to endgame)
Starcraft Mafia: 77 posts, one of the lowest posters in the game (survived to endgame)
Cyberpunk Mafia: 68 posts, 5th highest poster (survived to endgame)
TFM 2: 133 posts, 7th highest poster (survived to endgame)
Gotham Underground Mafia: 89 posts, 13th highest poster (survived to endgame)
Supernatural Mafia: 19 posts, 10th highest poster (vigged N1)
CCM 5: 188 posts, 6th highest poster (survived to endgame)
Peso del Grande: 40 posts, 12th highest poster (lynched Day 2, replaced DYH)
Boardgame Mafia: 57 posts, 9th highest poster (survived to endgame)
Hunger Games Mafia: 46 posts, 9th highest poster (survived to endgame)
CCM 6: 44 posts, 13th highest poster (lynched Day 4)
HTTYD Mafia: 46 posts, 8th highest poster (lynched Day 3)
While he's had bouts of lurking in his town games (House Mafia :(), he's always been called a lurker in his scum games, and has never penetrated the 6th highest post count in his scum games. With the activity we're seeing here, I'm willing to call him town for now (plus, I reread and saw that the manner he called me scum "felt" like he caught someone)
Caught up now, though, p sure proph is scum or severely off his game. His analysis post was hilarious and I know my slot was a pretty easy target(still is prob), but let's go. Vote: Prophylaxis
One of the worst votes in the game. He refers to himself as low-hanging fruit and says my analysis post was "hilarious" with no actual reasoning on why I'm scum.
Unvote, vote HookerPunch
I've already addressed the fulcrum vote.
So I'm at L-2, but this wagon is garbage. I'll claim if people aren't convinced by my wagon analysis.
you could have ignored my vote entirely and still said hello to me. That's what I was expecting you to do. But you didn't.
Off the top of my head: Pleasantville and Smalltown Swap.
My vote on you was random. It wasn't connected to the gambit at all.
I have townreads on most of the people on the Arianrhod wagon, so I have nowhere to look to find the opportunistic scum on the wagon (both Shockwave and Pizza are off the wagon). That's why I stated I had a hard time getting reads this game - because I can usually catch one opportunistic scum jumping on a town bandwagon.
"How does being a bulldog help you tell alignment?" - that question is a playstyle thing.
OK, I can buy this.
Because I thought I answered it in my previous posts.
"He could be scum doing X, or he could be town who is doing Y. Either way, NONCONCLUSIVE STATEMENT"
This is textbook material.
You will fail.
It's not Iso.
What do you mean by "down to try"?
I will dictate the lynch by engaging with the thread in a more active manner.
I did not claim. I was referring to myself being obvtown, and obvtown = unlynchable.
Feranath did not do anything to gather my attention because he was difficult to read in Social Engineering Mafia II - I think that he might be the person who just looks naturally scummy. I was excited when Shockwave replaced in because he's the easiest person to read, and I wanted him to stick to his words in giving his reads.
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@fulcrum, sneakyhomunculus: What are your reads on killjoy? I'm having a hard time getting a read on him.
Crosschecking his meta:
I checked Famous Historical Figures and he asked pointless questions all game in a manner similar to here before he got lynched.
I checked Vanilla Mafia 2 (skimmed his ISO) and his posting style was similar. He was lynched Day 1 for reasons I forgot, though.
I will need to check a scum game of his before finishing the crosscheck.
GS, thanks for being a vitriolic ******** who has completely ruined the enjoyment of the game so far for me. No, I'm not going to ******* replace out because I have a busy stretch of a few days. If it was going to persist for a week or two, then sure. I'm not some douchebag who gets enjoyment out of dragging the game's pace down. If I thought it was going to be a problem, I would have the courtesy of letting the mod know as much. Sorry that my real life is inconvenient for you, prick. The last time I had this little fun in a game, DRey was involved, and I'm wondering now if that's who GS is. The playstyle fits, at least.
@Sneaky, regarding "strange" -- if you're summarizing, then that's fine...but you should at least either quantify that you're summarizing, or use the same language as from one of the posts that you're summarizing / something that I said. From my perspective, it read like a smear campaign -- I had never use "strange" as a descriptor (or, indeed, at all), and when something it put in quotations it implies that it is being highlighted from a post. I feel like there's a miscommunication here, as I look at the post chain. I feel like you've been smearing me, because I've had a very defensive mindset this game. See also: Survival Horror for an example of what happens to me when I get a role that I feel is important. I get the feeling from reading your posts again that you felt you were just pointing out something, and that you weren't actively trying to smear me. Would you say that's a fair assessment?
@Fulcrum -- yes, my ability has a name. But, as mod noted, I can't say what it is.
If there are other questions for me, point them out and I'll hopefully get to them later today. Otherwise, let's move on. I would really like to see more from SGCP. Unvote, Vote SunglassesCoolPizza.
Shockwaved breadcrumber Stark. How useful.
Arian asks a question and gets a response 3 posts later. Is this the kind of thing you wanted to pick up on and say "Oh look how scummy Arian is?".
Not really, I'm still having a hard time nailing down whether you believed your own case when you were getting going.
As for Arianrhod, most points looked so-so and I see it more that people are grasping for things to find scummy than there being any actual case.
I kinda feel myself waiting for SGCP to return before getting too involved in other points. Lethargic Antny is in the game.
How is arian not lasting long if he's faking? That makes no sense.
Which posts (and which parts of them) of mine do you agree with?
Your post makes it appear that I said all three of the things you are quoting, when in fact 2/3rds of the post is by Proph. No action required from you here but I'd rather not have my name attached to a scum post.
I am considering a soft claim proposal but I need to mull it over. This would absolutely be a ridiculous game breaker if it works but I don't want to have to deal with the bull***** if it doesn't.
Could you break down where you find people grasping for straws about the Aryan case? You gave me one (which is from me) but I want more.
Please explain where you see Proph not believing his own case.
I am 100% NOT karn, despite what Seppel says. How does this impact your read on me, and what is that read as of now?
RE@You: Trying to look at you as objectively as possible, you've been vomiting into the thread with a ton of short posts (often in rapid succession to each other). You've been tremendously abrasive, cocky, and arrogant. This translates into one of two scenarios to me: you're either scum who's trying to go on the aggressive and make it so that you don't fall under suspicion by virtue of making others come across as suspicious first, or you're very confident/comfortable town. It's hard for me to make assessments without meta to fall back on, but at this point I'd put you at leaning town. You've at least been proactive and trying to progress the game, even if I don't like your playstyle at all. I still don't think you've produced much actual content yourself -- but you have been asking a lot of questions, scattered throughout your posts.
Sidenote (and this applies to everyone): PLEASE, PLEASE stop with the Aryan stuff. It's not funny, and I don't appreciate it =(
Consistent approach to SGCP (original response: Questionmark. I had to do a search to verify that he's even been posting at all.), consistent mindset with vote = pressure = producing content.
Followup query: Has Arian asked SGCP any specific questions or assigned him any tasks? Response: No, Arian has not directly communicated with SGCP once this game.
Generated questions for Arian:
1. Please ask SGCP some questions or give him some direction for when he returns. We do not want to enable active lurking.
2. Please recap your vote/unvote on sneakyhomunculus for me.
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Mindset and approach toward Self appears consistent with town mentality. Conclusion follows from premise. Request further inquiry. Emotion feels genuine; cross-reference previous games.
Note to self: Please review this game compared with SH.
Generated questions for Arian:
1. Do you not consider questions to be "content?"
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Disabling Arian -> Aryan
I expect SGCP to make a catchup post at some point, containing thoughts on current game state, my wagon, and my claim -- that's standard operating procedure. I'll likely have additional questions for him at that point.
Vote/Unvote on sneaky, if I'm being honest with myself, was more of an emotive/gut reaction than anything else. As I mentioned earlier, I felt as if I was being smeared and reacted poorly.
Questions/content -- that dips a little into theory-talk. When someone says "content," what pops into my head is a good-sized post with some paragraphs containing opinions...perhaps 3-4 paragraphs long. Questions may well be a part of content, but I don't think that simply sitting there asking questions and doing nothing but constitutes content. There has to be more.
Thank you.
Now that I know that iRebel is in this game... It was meant to be serious, but I misread and messed up.
Thanks to Heroes of the Plane Studios for the sigpic.
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Official Vote Count - 1.05
Prophylaxis (3) - Graduating Schoolgirl (#9), Seppel (#111), Killjoy (#130)
Arianrhod (3) - ITF (#63), Fulcrum (#108), iRebel (#115)
Shockwave07 (2) - SunglassesCoolpizza (#95), Prophylaxis (#202)
SunglassesCoolpizza (3) - Antny223 (#72), Shockwave07 (via Feranath) (#121), Arianrhod (#222)
Not Voting (1): SneakyHomunculus
Currently looking for a replacement for SunglassesCoolpizza.
As always, please let me know if there are any errors.
Town Win % = 75%
Mafia Win % = 75%
Overall Win % = 75%
Completed Game Log
2014: Best Mafia Performance (Group)
2014: Most Improved Player
2014: Best Town Player
2014: Best Overall Player
Town Win % = 75%
Mafia Win % = 75%
Overall Win % = 75%
Completed Game Log
2014: Best Mafia Performance (Group)
2014: Most Improved Player
2014: Best Town Player
2014: Best Overall Player
So you're having a hard time contemplating all my content due to formatting? Really?
I'll look at them later.
Hm. Ok.
What makes for 'opportunistic scum'? Rather, what would have to have happened to make you think someone was opportunistic scum jumping on his wagon?
Ok.
You answered it this time because you thought you answered it before?
That doesn't make sense.
Not coming to a conclusion on a read in a post =/= fencesitting. Not always anyway.
Fencesitting involves a lot of purposeful inconclusiveness specifically to avoid drawing attention from that person.
So, what would Sunglasses have had to gain from fencesitting on Seppel, both by your and my definitions? He was getting no pressure from Seppel, and given Seppel's participation this game, there's no reason to believe he would get any.
I wouldn't be so sure about that.
I thought you were claiming that we couldn't physically lynch you. I was saying I was willing to test that theory.
Note to self: Discuss use of 'obvtown' to describe self as a scumtell in Theory thred following the game.
No one has reason to believe you're town. Why do you think you're obvtown?
Still having trouble reading me, huh? Even after this post?
1. Why did you choose those specific games?
2. Hm... Did you just say I'm asking pointless questions this game? If so, please tell me what questions I've asked that are useless?
I'll respond to killjoy's questions once I'm at a computer.
I have a task for you. This will help me immensely in determining your alignment, and it should prove useful for the rest of us as well.
What I want you to do is fill out the following chart for each question I've listed:
Question: The text of your question.
Expected Answer: The answer you expect to get for your question assuming the person you are asking is town. That assumption is critically important to this section.
Impact on Read-Conflict: If the player gave you an answer other than your expected answer, how would that impact your read? Why?
Impact on Read-Agreement: If the player gives your expected answer, what does that do for your read? Why?
Killjoy's Rating: How crucial is it that you get the answer to this question, according to you?
GS's Rating: What do you think I, or any other outsider, think about that question, the potential responses, etc.?
This will obviously preclude Prophylaxis from answering these questions, but that's OK. You can ask him more and different questions later. I'm shotgunning these for my purposes. Prophylaxis, don't answer any of these.
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Question: "So you're having a hard time contemplating all my content due to formatting? Really?"
Expected Answer:
Impact on Read-C:
Impact on Read-A:
Killjoy's Rating:
GS's Rating:
Question: "what would have to have happened to make you think someone was opportunistic scum jumping on his wagon?"
Expected Answer:
Impact on Read-C:
Impact on Read-A:
Killjoy's Rating:
GS's Rating:
Question: "So, what would Sunglasses have had to gain from fencesitting on Seppel, both by your and my definitions?"
Expected Answer:
Impact on Read-C:
Impact on Read-A:
Killjoy's Rating:
GS's Rating:
Question: "No one has reason to believe you're town. Why do you think you're obvtown?"
Expected Answer:
Impact on Read-C:
Impact on Read-A:
Killjoy's Rating:
GS's Rating:
Question: "Why did you choose those specific games?"
Player and Read:
Expected Answer:
Impact on Read-C:
Impact on Read-A:
Killjoy's Rating:
GS's Rating:
Answered bolded.
fulcrum made the avatar for me, but why did you ask that question? It seems strange because it's lumped in with a bunch of questions relevant to the game.
I wanted to town-read killjoy but a couple of stuff twinged my gut - he's pretty hard to read for me because his posting style is generally "ask a bunch of questions to PLAYER X, when PLAYER X responds to those questions, follow up on them to a never-ending quote-war" which is obviously difficult to divine his alignment from.
I am a player who sucks as scum and is generally decent at being town. You don't lynch somebody that has a decent town game and obvtowns in 90% of town games he's in.
And GS is not DRey (shame, wanted to play with him again before he retired)
@sneakyhomunculus
In your post, you say:
..and you state that you had a hard time getting a read on Antny. If so, can you walk me through your killjoy town read? His posts are very similar (walls of quotes).
Shockwave/iRebel unaligned pair?
@HookerPunch: I'm assuming you'll be making a catchup post touching on the salient points so far as you read the game. In that post, can you please address the following specifically:
-) Thoughts on Seppel
-) Thoughts on my wagon, especially those who voted on it
Thanks =)
It's Circular Gallifreyan, a fanmade language. Mine spells out "Prophylaxis" and fulcrum's spells out "fulcrum", I think.
http://timeturners.wikidot.com/circular-gallifreyan
The problem with Arian's wagon is that I have varying degrees of townreads on it, and Arian is unCC'd.
Arianrhod (5) - Sneakyhomunculus (#10), Prophylaxis (#59), ITF (#63), Fulcrum (#108), iRebel (#115)
SH and ITF have been trying to figure out the game, and I have minor townreads on fulcrum and iRebel. I know someone is scum in that group of four, which would normally make me want to re-examine my reads - but I haven't seen anything scummy from those four yet. :/
@fulcrum
Could I tempt you with a vote switch to Shockwave? He has a strong meta scumtell of replacing in and not giving reads.
It's Circular Gallifreyan, a fanmade language. Mine spells out "Prophylaxis" and fulcrum's spells out "fulcrum", I think.
http://timeturners.wikidot.com/circular-gallifreyan
The problem with Arian's wagon is that I have varying degrees of townreads on it, and Arian is unCC'd.
Arianrhod (5) - Sneakyhomunculus (#10), Prophylaxis (#59), ITF (#63), Fulcrum (#108), iRebel (#115)
SH and ITF have been trying to figure out the game, and I have minor townreads on fulcrum and iRebel. I know someone is scum in that group of four, which would normally make me want to re-examine my reads - but I haven't seen anything scummy from those four yet. :/
@fulcrum
Could I tempt you with a vote switch to Shockwave? He has a strong meta scumtell of replacing in and not giving reads.
Show me some games where he did this as scum and where he didn't do it as town. I actually thought the way he went straight for GS's throat was pretty towny. Also, I feel like you're trying to court me because I was voting for Feranath earlier and I'm a lot higher on your town list than I expected with the way our last game together went, so I'm not inclined to follow you around.
Hmm, killjoy. I'm not fond of the way he derailed the RVS wagon on you, nor his reasons for doing so. The pressure on GS felt like he was voting for superficial reasons rather than trying to figure out GS mindset. Don't like the way he responded to my question with a question or the way he unvoted and just let his vote lie there. It's especially weird because he continued to pressure GS afterwards. Later questions are better, case against Proph is whatever. He's asking questions and responding to a lot of things, but it all lacks purpose. Not my favorite lynch, but I could go for it.
I can't promise I'll read deep, but we'll see.
Unvote in case I'm voting anyone atm.
Either way, we're all gonna burn
sneakyhomunculus, #87 especially.
Also Feranath is p cool.
Either way, we're all gonna burn
Seppel's p town.
Arianhod's solidish too.
Loving the storm of proddodges, lol.
Either way, we're all gonna burn
More proddodge stuff, okay.
(page seven, deal with my multiposts)
Either way, we're all gonna burn
The alt's wishing for content is silly, but from a town place I guess. It's emotionally constant at least.
(page 8 thoughts--forum ate post at that point)
Caught up now, though, p sure proph is scum or severely off his game. His analysis post was hilarious and I know my slot was a pretty easy target(still is prob), but let's go. Vote: Prophylaxis
Also considering day one massclaim. I find it not unlikely to break the game(sorry DCIII). At the very least, if there is a doc-equivalent, they should claim so we can start playing the setup spec game. I'm good at that.
So I tuned out like all the giant quote walls--I'd apologize, but I'm not really sorry.
Either way, we're all gonna burn
Either way, we're all gonna burn
Unless Arian gets lucky and we zero protection, eventually another claim will emerge.
192, 195, 204
Whoops, it's too late to even EBWOP.
I think I mentioned my opinions on Proph's original points earlier (and I anticipate a long discussion over it at some point).
ITF's 63 was just two points and the second point was fairly vague while his final question basically asked Arian to repeat what he had said in the quote.
Sneaky's 73 is basically how dare you ignore my rvs looking vote and do other stuff.
Fulcrum is just keen to get onto a wagon (she was also #4 on Proph as well earlier). I don't know her play well enough to know what to make of this.
iRebel - not sure what to make off this vote, iRebel has not been present for a large proportion of this game.
His comments to Killjoy in post 80 suggested he never really thought the case was particularly voteworthy but he simply looking for something to break us out of rvs.
Lol @ "poineltss"
My reads are unchanged. Lynch Proph.
You are really simplifying the case. Did you read post 133?
Seppel: Do me a favor. Explain, in your own words, why you think Proph is scum.
Been out all day today, and likely won't have a good signal for a couple of more hours. Posting when I get home.
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Either way, we're all gonna burn
Actually, my reasons for voting GS in the first place were entirely reactionary. I saw scummy thing, I voted for person who did it. So, yes. I can confirm that my vote was superficial in that I didn't really think much before doing it. It just kinda... happened.
But you say my questions lack purpose. Can you expand on that a bit? GS has already said his piece on it, and since you're saying it too, I'd like to hear from you.
Also, where is Prophy on your town list?
Arian claimed because he was at L-2.
Also no to the massclaim.
Why do you think we would benefit from a massclaim?
Yeah... that's not how it works. We can call it fishing all we want.
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Now, other stuff.
Can we have everyone, in their next post list their 3 top scums with reasons, please?
Mine are: Prophy due to the fact that I think he's lying about a lot of his mindset, and is not looking for who's on the town team (presumably because he already knows)
Second/Third: HookerPunch/Seppel. Hooker it depends on his massclaim logic. I see no benefit for the town at all, but maybe he does? IDK. And something's off about Seppel this game. His posting has been... IDK I need to look back at his games because I remember something about him having very clear tells as both alignments.
A distant Fourth and Fifth are fulcrum and Arian. Fulcrum could be scum of Prophy is scum because he ignored her scummy jump onto the Arian wagon (+ a bit of a gut read), and Arian is due to his lack of followup on a few things, for reasons previously stated.
Please provide content in your next post.
@killjoy
If HookerPunch/Seppel are your secondary scumreads, why are you voting with them?
Can you clarify your read on me with relation to HookerPunch and Seppel?
As to your first question, I'm voting for you because I'm pretty confident that you're scum. As to why Hooker/Seppel is voting you, IDK you'd have to ask them. It should be noted that if you do flip scum, Fulcrum passes Seppel in scumminess.
(Also Arian should have been 5th, not 4th.)
As to the second question, I'm not sure I understand the question.
And also, I'd like to see your list.
Vote Proph
Don't tell me you missed this.
Oh, and hey Killjoy, are you Proph's scummate?
@Fulcrum: Please and thank you.
Funny. I've been wondering the same thing about you.
Not happening right now.
Exactly. You're chaining lynches, without giving any reasoning.
I'm curious why you don't wanna do my list though. Why not?
fulcrum: Please explain what happened between 255 and 261 thanks.
Also did I miss something or is there some reason why people are calling Fulcrum a she?
killjoy: Then it's a good thing I didn't join the Arianrhod wagon for no reason, isn't it?
You have me as your primary scumread, and Natirasha/Seppel as your secondary scumreads. Do you think that Natirasha/Seppel are bussing me, if that's the case?
Why are you voting with the people you're calling scum?
And I already gave you my top three scumreads.
@fulcrum
I found something regarding Shockwave's meta that requires me to get some more information out of him (namely, as I was looking at meta, he did something similar re: GS as he did with Wheat in Hayate). I need Shockwave to post a bit more.
This wagon is terrible. :/
GS tunnels me immediately from her first post based upon extremely weak reasoning (I didn't say hi to her) and never bothers to analyze my posts beyond #52. I swear that she's spent more time sorting out her secondary scumreads (Arian, killjoy) than me.
(also: If you know that I'm town but pushing my wagon anyways please stop.)
Seppel's 6 out of 10 posts are useless tunneling and he voted me based on having "abnormal behavior and explanations".
I'm back and forth on killjoy, but I did some cursory research of his meta and found that he posts a lot more in his town games.
Seance Mafia: 93 posts, 3rd highest poster (survived to endgame)
Magic School Bus: 28 posts, 3rd lowest poster (survived to endgame, anomaly)
Amnesia Mafia: 346 posts, 2nd highest poster (survived to endgame)
Osteria Mafia: 67 posts, 9th highest poster (survived to endgame)
Clue Mafia: 67 posts, 9th highest poster (survived to endgame)
Starcraft Mafia: 77 posts, one of the lowest posters in the game (survived to endgame)
Cyberpunk Mafia: 68 posts, 5th highest poster (survived to endgame)
TFM 2: 133 posts, 7th highest poster (survived to endgame)
Gotham Underground Mafia: 89 posts, 13th highest poster (survived to endgame)
Supernatural Mafia: 19 posts, 10th highest poster (vigged N1)
CCM 5: 188 posts, 6th highest poster (survived to endgame)
Peso del Grande: 40 posts, 12th highest poster (lynched Day 2, replaced DYH)
Boardgame Mafia: 57 posts, 9th highest poster (survived to endgame)
Hunger Games Mafia: 46 posts, 9th highest poster (survived to endgame)
CCM 6: 44 posts, 13th highest poster (lynched Day 4)
HTTYD Mafia: 46 posts, 8th highest poster (lynched Day 3)
While he's had bouts of lurking in his town games (House Mafia :(), he's always been called a lurker in his scum games, and has never penetrated the 6th highest post count in his scum games. With the activity we're seeing here, I'm willing to call him town for now (plus, I reread and saw that the manner he called me scum "felt" like he caught someone)
One of the worst votes in the game. He refers to himself as low-hanging fruit and says my analysis post was "hilarious" with no actual reasoning on why I'm scum.
Unvote, vote HookerPunch
I've already addressed the fulcrum vote.
So I'm at L-2, but this wagon is garbage. I'll claim if people aren't convinced by my wagon analysis.