Postgame I have a reference to make. Corrik being town is great though. I actually stopped being lazy and grilled the mod last Night about corrik's ability to make sure that everything checked out as he claimed and it did. It's moot though.
go go go
vote sneaky
If we make it to Tomorrow we don't just blind lynch though.
tldr of the rest of this day: sneaky and I crossvote, I get lynched and you fail to lynch sneaky tomorrow for some stupid reason and scum win.
No, we're lynching sneaky today because I think he's scum and I think you're town. Proph's reads have been so bad this game that I recommend he sheeps me.
Unrelated note: I am a fan of all of the AA avatars/gifs being posted lately.
You really think that sneaky bussed Arian from the get go?
There hasn't even been a case presented on sneaky yet. sneaky is a terrible lynch unless I see some hard evidence as to why he's Arian's scumbuddy. I don't see it.
Even if you go that route then it should be obvious that Natirasha is the final scum.
You should get out of your lackadaisical Day 1 mode and focus on solving this game. I know you're good at endgames and I haven't seen what I wanted out of you.
I'm subscribing to the worst case scenario, which is:
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So basically my point is, while your plan looks solid, it falls apart if the Scum have a Unblockable kill. I'm not necessarily proposing that the Mafia have an unlimited strongman, just need to have one more unblockable shot. So if we assume Fulcrum used his ability Night 1 and the scum only managed to kill him by already using one unblockable kill, then the remaining scum could be anything from an unlimited Strongman to a 2x Strongman and we potentially lose the game.
Let's use the plan, but let's not stop playing the game either. Look for interactions, trust reads. That's why I want to lynch the in my opinion least Townie player: HookerPunch.
Either way let's lynch Nati and deal w/the situation when it comes.
@Proph: I find having multiple shots of stealth+unblockable kill highly unlikely.
Oh... While typing this I see the flaw in my logic. He didn't need a stealth kill if he wasn't watched.
But then again: he could not have known Corrik was bluffing with the watch if his kill wasn't stealth, could he?
He would've acted like caught scum.
Nah, makes no sense. GS is town. Multiple stealth+unblockable kill would be insane.
Same reasoning for you: GS didn't see you kill Fulcrum and there was a kill when you were blocked, so you would also need a second stealth+unblockable kill.
I think that post you quoted was probably Sneaky trying to find an out to Corrik's plan.
That or HP just gave up
"There is a time and a place for heroics," HookerPunch said to those of you remaining, "this is not one of those times. This is a time of tragedy, where there are no good outcomes, just less disastrous ones. I have lived many years, and this is not a world that I care to see unfold."
He nodded, smiled sadly, and reached into one of the many pockets of his sleeves. Out he drew what seemed to be an elixir of sorts, and downed it in one quick gulp. As the life began to fade from his eyes, that sad smile was replaced by a look of relief... and escape.
HookerPunch is dead he was:
Maester Luwin - Town Vanilla
But there was no escape for the rest of you. This was still your reality and the host outside of your walls was drawing ever nearer.
It is now Night 4. Please DO NOT post. Actions will be due within 48 hours and the game will start earlier if all are submitted earlier.
For the first time in four Days, there are no screams that wake you up, no frantic running through the castle halls. An eerie calm has settled in. Everyone is still here.
It is now Day 5. You may post. With 4 alive it takes 3 to lynch!
So basically my point is, while your plan looks solid, it falls apart if the Scum have a Unblockable kill. I'm not necessarily proposing that the Mafia have an unlimited strongman, just need to have one more unblockable shot. So if we assume Fulcrum used his ability Night 1 and the scum only managed to kill him by already using one unblockable kill, then the remaining scum could be anything from an unlimited Strongman to a 2x Strongman and we potentially lose the game.
Let's use the plan, but let's not stop playing the game either. Look for interactions, trust reads. That's why I want to lynch the in my opinion least Townie player: HookerPunch.
If Hooker indeed flips Town, I think tomorrow Rhand is our only target left since at that point Proph, GS and I would have already been role blocked.
is a huge leap in how you're looking at the game.
Why did you go from distrusting the results from Corrik's plan to completely believing in them?
@Proph: you were pretty sold on Sneaky being town because of Arian interactions. Can you quote / post number those so I can take a look?
I don't have the energy to reread a full game that I wasn't part of for a huge part, so you'll have to point me to relevant information.
@Proph: you were pretty sold on Sneaky being town because of Arian interactions. Can you quote / post number those so I can take a look?
I don't have the energy to reread a full game that I wasn't part of for a huge part, so you'll have to point me to relevant information.
I think rereading the game would provide a good perspective. We're in mylo after all.
sneaky tunneled onto Arian all day (from his RVS post) and it seemed pretty unlikely that both of the scum turbo-bussed Arian while all of them white-knighted me. If you read sneaky's ISO I feel like he's played a pretty clean game thus far.
I'll debate this in the theory thread postgame if you want, but I am firmly of the opinion that RVS is random bull***** and is completely meaningless.
I cannot defend myself and still scumhunt. I acknowledge that other people may be able to, but I'm frankly just not that good.
You say the whole "Strange" thing is semantics. I say the whole ******* game of mafia is semantics. Semantics matter, and if Sneaky is going to get a free pass on that basis, despite used charged language to put words in my mouth to get me lynched, then I'm ******* out. You'll get nothing more from me until I cool down and/or until Sneaky is lynched.
I thought this was a pretty genuine reaction but now that I look back on it it seems a tad less genuine than before.
I think there was more but I'm too lazy to check. As it's prerelease weekend the reread will probably have to wait until the end of this weekend.
Hey Rhand please claim the second half of your ability. I know the first half already so ONLY I will know your full ability and that will make me feel special.
>If I don't take in account the plan and only compare you three based on likeliness of being scum, I would probably press for a lynch of Proph, because of claimed Miller role, followed by Rhand and finally by GS.
>To summarize, I'm not sure who the last scum is, but if I need to choose and in that case I want lynch Rhand based on Occam's razor and a gut feeling regarding the way he counterclaimed Arianrhod.
I'm not sure what changed your mind in between these two sentences.
Hey Rhand please claim the second half of your ability. I know the first half already so ONLY I will know your full ability and that will make me feel special.
Ehm I think you already know my full ability?
I claimed the part I didn't message you during the massclaim.
Hey Rhand please claim the second half of your ability. I know the first half already so ONLY I will know your full ability and that will make me feel special.
Ehm I think you already know my full ability?
I claimed the part I didn't message you during the massclaim.
Yes, just tell me again please. c:
Rhand can you still send messages
Sneaky: Point one is irrelevant. Rhand being the only one not confirmed by the plan doesn't matter under your argument that the scum still have a kill that can pierce a block.
Why is proph's role most likely scum? If he's a miller he's town. Period. I think you worded this weirdly.
I haven't wanted to throttle Rhand for his bad opinions yet so this is the most compelling argument so far.
Also do you know who I am yet?
What is the likelihood that the scum have Overpowered-Scum-With-Two-Abilities/Overpowered-Scum-With-Two-Abilities/Goon vs. Overpowered-Scum-With-Two-Abilities/Ninja/Goon?
I had 2 messages. One was sent to Fulcrum N1 and the other to you. None left.
I am protected from harm the next Night after xxx happens.
Still busy rereading. This game is a though nut to crack in that aspect.
I'm gonna change from reading everything to using the search function and read the three of you, Arian and ITF seperately.
I hope there's less wallposts that way.
Part of me wants to vote no lynch to remove a suspect from the table, but I don't think scum would be helpful enough to kill the right guy
@Sneaky: please explain why you've townread Proph the whole game. He was one of my main suspects when I replaced in, and rereading that part again now again constantly pings my scumdar on him. I find it hard to believe that you've never doubted his alignment.
First everyone who hasn't claimed should claim. We may still have an unclaimed pr somewhere.
I think I am the only one who hasn't claimed. I think i made it quite clear yesterDay that I am a PR
I have two abilities.
* two-shot message, usable at any time of the day. It gets sent as soon as the mod receives it. I used one to warn Fulcrum not to protect me. (For those of you wondering: I checked with the mod when the watches were claimed and didn't mention me. Because this is any time use, it isn't a night action and can't be seen or tampered with)
I'm fine with the lynch going through but it never hurts to have an extra pair of eyes.
I found something that I think ensures that one of Natirasha or Graduating Schoolgirl is scum.
Either way, we're all gonna burn
Either way, we're all gonna burn
Either way, we're all gonna burn
go go go
vote sneaky
If we make it to Tomorrow we don't just blind lynch though.
Unrelated note: I am a fan of all of the AA avatars/gifs being posted lately.
gogogogogogogo
You really think that sneaky bussed Arian from the get go?
There hasn't even been a case presented on sneaky yet. sneaky is a terrible lynch unless I see some hard evidence as to why he's Arian's scumbuddy. I don't see it.
[color=violet]Prophylaxis[/color] (5) - Graduating Schoolgirl (#9), [color=violet]Seppel[color] (#111), [color=violet]Killjoy[/color] (#130), HookerPunch (#257), [color=violet]Fulcrum[/color] (#261)
I solved this game Day 1. You barely even mentioned ITF because he was lurkaderping so hard.
(also you tunneled on me all throughout Day 1)
(yay postgame chat before the game is over)
Prophylaxis (5) - Graduating Schoolgirl (#9), Seppel (#111), Killjoy (#130), HookerPunch (#257), Fulcrum (#261)
Arianrhod (1) - iRebel (#115)
Shockwave07 (1) - SneakyHomunculus (#270)
HookerPunch (4) - Antny223 (#72), Shockwave07 (#121), Arianrhod (#222), Prophylaxis (#272)
Not Voting (1): ITF
Even if you go that route then it should be obvious that Natirasha is the final scum.
You should get out of your lackadaisical Day 1 mode and focus on solving this game. I know you're good at endgames and I haven't seen what I wanted out of you.
In Memory: Jojen Reed
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Official Vote Count 4.01
(3 to lynch)
SneakyHomunculus (2): HookerPunch (#807), Graduating Schoolgirl (#810)
HookerPunch (1): Prophylaxis (#812)
Not Voting (2): Rhand, SneakyHomunculus
As always, please let me know if there are any errors.
Town Win % = 75%
Mafia Win % = 75%
Overall Win % = 75%
Completed Game Log
2014: Best Mafia Performance (Group)
2014: Most Improved Player
2014: Best Town Player
2014: Best Overall Player
#postgametalkduringthegame
This.
vote Hookerpunch
@Proph: GS is confirmed town for the same reason you are. He was roleblocked Night 2 and there was a kill.
It's HP or Sneaky.
Either way let's lynch Nati and deal w/the situation when it comes.
Vote: Natirasha yawn
#Selfhammers
Either way, we're all gonna burn
@Proph: I find having multiple shots of stealth+unblockable kill highly unlikely.
Oh... While typing this I see the flaw in my logic. He didn't need a stealth kill if he wasn't watched.
But then again: he could not have known Corrik was bluffing with the watch if his kill wasn't stealth, could he?
He would've acted like caught scum.
Nah, makes no sense. GS is town. Multiple stealth+unblockable kill would be insane.
Same reasoning for you: GS didn't see you kill Fulcrum and there was a kill when you were blocked, so you would also need a second stealth+unblockable kill.
I think that post you quoted was probably Sneaky trying to find an out to Corrik's plan.
That or HP just gave up
FINAL Vote Count Day 4
(3 to lynch)
SneakyHomunculus (1): Graduating Schoolgirl (#810)
HookerPunch (3): Prophylaxis (#812), Rhand (#824), HookerPunch (#826)
Not Voting (1): SneakyHomunculus
That's a lynch it is now twilight, you may post but please refresh prior to posting as the lynch scene will likely go up shortly.
Town Win % = 75%
Mafia Win % = 75%
Overall Win % = 75%
Completed Game Log
2014: Best Mafia Performance (Group)
2014: Most Improved Player
2014: Best Town Player
2014: Best Overall Player
He nodded, smiled sadly, and reached into one of the many pockets of his sleeves. Out he drew what seemed to be an elixir of sorts, and downed it in one quick gulp. As the life began to fade from his eyes, that sad smile was replaced by a look of relief... and escape.
HookerPunch is dead he was:
But there was no escape for the rest of you. This was still your reality and the host outside of your walls was drawing ever nearer.
It is now Night 4. Please DO NOT post. Actions will be due within 48 hours and the game will start earlier if all are submitted earlier.
Town Win % = 75%
Mafia Win % = 75%
Overall Win % = 75%
Completed Game Log
2014: Best Mafia Performance (Group)
2014: Most Improved Player
2014: Best Town Player
2014: Best Overall Player
It is now Day 5. You may post. With 4 alive it takes 3 to lynch!
Town Win % = 75%
Mafia Win % = 75%
Overall Win % = 75%
Completed Game Log
2014: Best Mafia Performance (Group)
2014: Most Improved Player
2014: Best Town Player
2014: Best Overall Player
Let's take this mylo nice and slow.
To this:
is a huge leap in how you're looking at the game.
Why did you go from distrusting the results from Corrik's plan to completely believing in them?
@Proph: you were pretty sold on Sneaky being town because of Arian interactions. Can you quote / post number those so I can take a look?
I don't have the energy to reread a full game that I wasn't part of for a huge part, so you'll have to point me to relevant information.
Sneaky: who's the final scum? Please present your arguments.
Rhand: why are you town?
I think the obvious path is to just lynch sneaky but I want to do my due diligence here.
Do you really want me to towncase myself?
I think rereading the game would provide a good perspective. We're in mylo after all.
sneaky tunneled onto Arian all day (from his RVS post) and it seemed pretty unlikely that both of the scum turbo-bussed Arian while all of them white-knighted me. If you read sneaky's ISO I feel like he's played a pretty clean game thus far.
I thought this was a pretty genuine reaction but now that I look back on it it seems a tad less genuine than before.
I think there was more but I'm too lazy to check. As it's prerelease weekend the reread will probably have to wait until the end of this weekend.
Aside:
lol
death in the family. will be out of town for the memorial.
Ball's in his court.
>To summarize, I'm not sure who the last scum is, but if I need to choose and in that case I want lynch Rhand based on Occam's razor and a gut feeling regarding the way he counterclaimed Arianrhod.
I'm not sure what changed your mind in between these two sentences.
Ehm I think you already know my full ability?
I claimed the part I didn't message you during the massclaim.
Rhand can you still send messages
Sneaky: Point one is irrelevant. Rhand being the only one not confirmed by the plan doesn't matter under your argument that the scum still have a kill that can pierce a block.
Why is proph's role most likely scum? If he's a miller he's town. Period. I think you worded this weirdly.
I haven't wanted to throttle Rhand for his bad opinions yet so this is the most compelling argument so far.
Also do you know who I am yet?
What is the likelihood that the scum have Overpowered-Scum-With-Two-Abilities/Overpowered-Scum-With-Two-Abilities/Goon vs. Overpowered-Scum-With-Two-Abilities/Ninja/Goon?
I'm feeling parallels of another game here.
I am protected from harm the next Night after xxx happens.
Still busy rereading. This game is a though nut to crack in that aspect.
I'm gonna change from reading everything to using the search function and read the three of you, Arian and ITF seperately.
I hope there's less wallposts that way.
Part of me wants to vote no lynch to remove a suspect from the table, but I don't think scum would be helpful enough to kill the right guy
@Sneaky: please explain why you've townread Proph the whole game. He was one of my main suspects when I replaced in, and rereading that part again now again constantly pings my scumdar on him. I find it hard to believe that you've never doubted his alignment.
I didn't see ANYBODY target Fulcrum N1, remember?