Also Natural Log man has been incredibly inactive these last couple days compared to his earlier activity. Karn is assuredly scum or terrible but nobody has argued he is terrible to me yet so he is scum but if for some reason you guys refuse to lynch Karn LN man is a good alternative
AE: you, again, appear to be under the impression that you have some kind of credibility in this game which should lead us into doing what you suggest. I assure you this is not the case. In fact, quite the contrary, I feel like rejecting anything you suggest at this point purely on principle.
I need to find a direction, but I am lacking the time and energy to go and do it.
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Ambush Krotiq makes me laugh so much. I keep rereading the card and it keeps not having Flash. In what sense is this an ambush again? I just have visions of this huge Krotiq poorly concealed in some bushes, feeling slightly sad that his carefully planned ambushes never seem to work.
AE, no. While you've either brilliantly played my own meta into proving to you that I'm town or you think I'm something more than I am, I generally don't vote for myself. I require those who want me lynched to actually take a stance, whether it's for thinking I'm scum or for information. The only other reason my mind can come up with to go along with your plan involves bastard mods. And Meg is not that way. So at this moment, no, I won't be voting myself.
Unless you think I'm just that detrimental to town. If that's the case, I'm a little sad...
plum, Karn gets a pass for handing us a lynch. I won't consider lynching him until it's down to LyLo. Whether his play is good or bad is irrelevant at this point. He's also protecting another player from certainly being the NK, so I'm definitely going to have to side with keeping him alive.
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She wants a ride on the pony, dude.
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I've pointed out how Plum has: contradicted himself; lied; is trying to push a town PR lynch off the back of those contradictions and lies; and is still greatly interested in the information from that town PR that he wants to lynch.
I don't see what the hold up is with lynching this Plum guy.
* His last post about SNL in twilight seemed to indicate he knew SNL was town
* He's been posting loads and loads of fluff, especially early game where he active lurked like mad
* He pushed Karn as neutral, but never mentioned that possibility again when pressured for neutralhunting: instead calls his mindset 'scum' now.
Seriously AE, the deadlines coming up fast. Just tell us what you're doing so we can move on.
It's obvious this guys scum. Town, don't forget about him late game if he's still around.
I could go along with a plum lynch if it comes down to that. Deadline coming up do you guys really think anything else will come up which will enable a wagon and lynch by then?
Really guys, help me out here. What do we have to lose? Don't give me that crap about the game either. Do you really think that if I was scum I'd openly push to have a townie lynched? If nothing happens tomorrow that would clear me then it's obvious I'd be lynched. A one for one trade is always better for the town. I'm confident and guarantee that the town will welcome what I have going.
Karn if your true to what you say your role is you'd be going along with me.
So let's go town, the scum obvious don't want anything to do with what I want to do which is one of the reasons I wanted to present it this way. See Axel. He has me suspicious of him, and KK is obvious.
If by chance TK is scum then I would need some town eyes on me. If he's town don't bother with me, it'd be a waste.
* His last post about SNL in twilight seemed to indicate he knew SNL was town
* He's been posting loads and loads of fluff, especially early game where he active lurked like mad
* He pushed Karn as neutral, but never mentioned that possibility again when pressured for neutralhunting: instead calls his mindset 'scum' now.
I still think he is likely neutral, but I realized people were unnaturally freaking out about that and since he could be scum too I dropped it
What is the "deal" AE you are offering, AE? I still haven't heard one.
Lynch...who?
And then...what? All will be revealed tomorrow? And you're offering yourself up if you are wrong?
Karn: as AE has noted, you know his role. Does what he is saying make any sense to you?
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Ambush Krotiq makes me laugh so much. I keep rereading the card and it keeps not having Flash. In what sense is this an ambush again? I just have visions of this huge Krotiq poorly concealed in some bushes, feeling slightly sad that his carefully planned ambushes never seem to work.
Ok, so I don't know what AE's got going, but he sounds confident enough that I'm willing to give it a go, especially when we're still early in the game. I'm down with lynching TK. I might be ok with lynching Plum, although I've had him leaning town most the game. His recent posts seem a little desperate. For now:
So what you are saying is you don't care how scummy or anti town someone is as long as they bus someone.
I know what my strategy is next time I am scum...
If you lose by the time you're in LyLo, then you've failed math. I'm about 99% sure that there's 4 mafia and 12 town, since this is a normal. With my lynch and a town NK, it will be 3 mafia and 7 town. That still gives us a full Day before we hit LyLo. So with Karn having given us a mafia lynch, I feel pretty safe letting him live until Day 5.
Also note that the only player that could have been a CC is Scarbo. Hunger would have said SOMETHING before Day end if his ability was investigative. So our options are either Karn is town "cop" or Scarbo was but we don't know it. I'm more than willing to put my faith in Karn being un-CC'd.
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I'm also fine with masterplum lynch, but I have to agree with him - Karn is completely unccoperative and it's bad for us. I mean, so many times we asked for toDay's target AND guild, and we only got guild without target. Unless I missed something. Did Karn already claimed that his toNight's target is Town?
Well, since KK semi-claimed Rakdos as well that probably means one of us anyway. I wouldn't mind to know who exactly was checked.
Holy crap are you serious? You are really looking at Karn and saying that he is so likely town I don't even want him to have to prove himself?
Disregarding his obvious inconsistencies, name one thing Karn has done all game other then getting AI lynched that has helped town.he has not scum hunted today. The only thing he has done is counter voted and been absent
Like I am leaning town on you TK because of how everyone seems to want to lynch you, but really?
Dagaen, why do you want to reveal power? Start thinking.
Karn said so? Where?
Karn said that the person he inspected was town.
That means he saw a pro-town ability.
So that person is not vanilla.
And that's a very good reason for him not to out his target and probably why he's getting pushed so hard into doing so.
A. Assuming Karn was town, it would be a stretch to assume scum would kill a random person identified as town power over a super scanner Karn. I would much rather have a confirmed town with a side effect of an outed mystery power then he possibility of town Karn dying.
B. As Karn was not roleblocked last night if we again are taking the dubious assumption Karn is town Occam's razor is saying scum doesn't have an RB. If scum doesn't have an RB then town doesn't have a full time protection role. If town does not have a full time protection role Karn is likely to drop dead and we lose his information.
So even if Karn was 100% town, I would still want him to claim who he scanned, even if he incredibly idiotically already said that person was power.
As for cantrip manner? He is on my short list of people I am keeping my eye on but not super pressed on him right now.
I ink dagaen is ultra town.
I think AE is probably town
Or in other words, are you really arguing with me that every single member of a counter wagon is scum? That I can't feel there is a counter wagon without suspecting everyone involved?
Or in other words, are you really arguing with me that every single member of a counter wagon is scum? That I can't feel there is a counter wagon without suspecting everyone involved?
No, you were telling me that you think TK is town because he's the counterwagon.
But there's only Cantrip pushing that and when I call you on that you say there is no counterwagon.
You think Karn is town with info and shouldn't reveal.
Why then are you voting TK?
Drop this please. No reason for Karn to out anything toDay unless he thinks we're lynching town.
Even if he dies, we'll know he had a result on AI if he flips that kind of role.
You think Karn is town with info and shouldn't reveal.
Why then are you voting TK?
I am not voting TK. I unvoted him.
It should be pretty obvious that I meant IF Karn had a result, he shouldn't share it. Karn has good instincts, and he trusts them. If he is town, I could definitely see him pushing AI this strongly as a vanilla.
Albeit true, and I missed the unvote, the unvote doesn't change the implications of not being on AI
Plus, you objected first to the most easily refutable part of my message first instead of the implications. That is a scummy thing to do.
Example of someone else counter waggoning away from AI on to TK
So, Karn is getting a pass, because at least he caught a scum, his otherwise questionable behavior notwithstanding.
AE is getting a pass, because he's promising something good tomorrow, his refusal to explain himself and otherwise questionable behavior notwithstanding. Also Karn appears to be vouching for him.
Daegon should get a pass, just because the only way it really works for him to be scum is as part of a massive 3-way conspiracy between himself, AI, and Karn, which seems unlikely.
TK-421 has already claimed vanilla. There's something about his willingness to go along with his own lynch if it means exposing AE for being full of BS that has me now leaning Town on him, notwithstanding his really bad OMGUS vote on me before.
Masterplum I already said I read as Town. Call it the sense of genuineness. Let me ask you this question though, MP: are you a native English speaker?
I feel like both Cantripmancer and KoolKoal are sort of perched on the sidelines at the moment. One of them for scum?
Rhand is at least pushing an agenda, even if that agenda is lynching MP. I don't really get this. Especially the accusation of "active lurking." I feel like MP has been very involved and invested in this game. More than most, which is one of the reasons, among others I like him for Town.
A lot of people have sort of gone silent.
LnG says he's gone until the 25th.
dkingsland hasn't posted in a week. Was supposed to be back yesterday?
Cyouni seems to post at about the minimum level to avoid prodding, and doesn't have a lot of opinions when he does post.
Scum in this group?
Finally there is a "motivator" out there somewhere who targeted Karn once. This role is likely Town, unless, again, massive scum conspiracy. Motivator is not typically scum role anyway. Possibly this is the role Karn found....
I still don't have time to make a case. I'm just typing out my thoughts. Some people may not care for this. Oh well.
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Ambush Krotiq makes me laugh so much. I keep rereading the card and it keeps not having Flash. In what sense is this an ambush again? I just have visions of this huge Krotiq poorly concealed in some bushes, feeling slightly sad that his carefully planned ambushes never seem to work.
I am a native speaker, however I usually do not fully write out thoughts because I assume people are following enough to follow to my thought process without listing every step, so I usually write out the premise and the conclusion with out the intermediary steps. This.... is rarely true. Especially with a different community with a different vocabulary.
I am not "gone" gone, it's just that rereading and making cases on a phone ranges somewhere from a PITA to impossible. I think I can stay active enough to not need replacing out.
I still don't like Rhand. I don't get how he can say Cantrip is the primary pusher in TK when it has obviously been AE.
Plum is dumb but that's doesn't mean he is scum. But him trying to implicate my vote/unvote on TK as a means of "counterwagoning" TK is pretty silly.
This TK lynch is... weird. Not a fan.
Karn is near conftown, but playing pretty horrible right now.
Good point about Cyouni. Usually Cyouni is a strong town player, and he has been near invisible. Raises alarm bells for me.
Uh-oh. Someone's on to it.
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They hate us cause they ain't us.
TK will you do the same?
They hate us cause they ain't us.
Also Natural Log man has been incredibly inactive these last couple days compared to his earlier activity. Karn is assuredly scum or terrible but nobody has argued he is terrible to me yet so he is scum but if for some reason you guys refuse to lynch Karn LN man is a good alternative
I need to find a direction, but I am lacking the time and energy to go and do it.
Unless you think I'm just that detrimental to town. If that's the case, I'm a little sad...
plum, Karn gets a pass for handing us a lynch. I won't consider lynching him until it's down to LyLo. Whether his play is good or bad is irrelevant at this point. He's also protecting another player from certainly being the NK, so I'm definitely going to have to side with keeping him alive.
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Great.
So what you are saying is you don't care how scummy or anti town someone is as long as they bus someone.
I know what my strategy is next time I am scum...
I can't even AE right now. Wants to lynch TK, who he thinks is town.
LnGrrrR indicated V/LA, didn't he?
I want more from Rhand. Rhand, ignore your wonderful real life and rejoin us in time-wasting bliss!
I don't want to lynch Karn nor his townclear AE. Waiting for all of you to come to your senses so we can lynch Masterplum.
* He's been posting loads and loads of fluff, especially early game where he active lurked like mad
* He pushed Karn as neutral, but never mentioned that possibility again when pressured for neutralhunting: instead calls his mindset 'scum' now.
It's obvious this guys scum. Town, don't forget about him late game if he's still around.
I could go along with a plum lynch if it comes down to that. Deadline coming up do you guys really think anything else will come up which will enable a wagon and lynch by then?
Really guys, help me out here. What do we have to lose? Don't give me that crap about the game either. Do you really think that if I was scum I'd openly push to have a townie lynched? If nothing happens tomorrow that would clear me then it's obvious I'd be lynched. A one for one trade is always better for the town. I'm confident and guarantee that the town will welcome what I have going.
Karn if your true to what you say your role is you'd be going along with me.
So let's go town, the scum obvious don't want anything to do with what I want to do which is one of the reasons I wanted to present it this way. See Axel. He has me suspicious of him, and KK is obvious.
If by chance TK is scum then I would need some town eyes on me. If he's town don't bother with me, it'd be a waste.
They hate us cause they ain't us.
I still think he is likely neutral, but I realized people were unnaturally freaking out about that and since he could be scum too I dropped it
Lynch...who?
And then...what? All will be revealed tomorrow? And you're offering yourself up if you are wrong?
Karn: as AE has noted, you know his role. Does what he is saying make any sense to you?
Unvote, Vote TK-421
I'm okay with a TK lynch, but would much prefer a Plum lynch.
Same for me.
Ok, so lynch me. Tomorrow, if AE's plan has obviously been terrible, lynch him.
If it's been good, lynch plum.
If you lose by the time you're in LyLo, then you've failed math. I'm about 99% sure that there's 4 mafia and 12 town, since this is a normal. With my lynch and a town NK, it will be 3 mafia and 7 town. That still gives us a full Day before we hit LyLo. So with Karn having given us a mafia lynch, I feel pretty safe letting him live until Day 5.
Also note that the only player that could have been a CC is Scarbo. Hunger would have said SOMETHING before Day end if his ability was investigative. So our options are either Karn is town "cop" or Scarbo was but we don't know it. I'm more than willing to put my faith in Karn being un-CC'd.
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Plum has a good point.
But I still want to lynch him
Like this.
Yet without reading or knowing what's going on, he feels comfortable still saying this:
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Holy crap are you serious? You are really looking at Karn and saying that he is so likely town I don't even want him to have to prove himself?
Disregarding his obvious inconsistencies, name one thing Karn has done all game other then getting AI lynched that has helped town.he has not scum hunted today. The only thing he has done is counter voted and been absent
Like I am leaning town on you TK because of how everyone seems to want to lynch you, but really?
How is that a reason to have TK leaning town?
Just get the feeling TK is the counter wagon so to speak
What about that counter wagon? Who led it? Who pushed it? I remember how Dagaen tried hard to keep AI alive.
They hate us cause they ain't us.
TK you were ready to vote yourself earlier. My first post tomorrow will be a full claim.
They hate us cause they ain't us.
Karn said that the person he inspected was town.
That means he saw a pro-town ability.
So that person is not vanilla.
And that's a very good reason for him not to out his target and probably why he's getting pushed so hard into doing so.
B. As Karn was not roleblocked last night if we again are taking the dubious assumption Karn is town Occam's razor is saying scum doesn't have an RB. If scum doesn't have an RB then town doesn't have a full time protection role. If town does not have a full time protection role Karn is likely to drop dead and we lose his information.
So even if Karn was 100% town, I would still want him to claim who he scanned, even if he incredibly idiotically already said that person was power.
As for cantrip manner? He is on my short list of people I am keeping my eye on but not super pressed on him right now.
I ink dagaen is ultra town.
I think AE is probably town
Nobody else is super high up my town scale
Can we lynch this guy already? He's not interested in catching scum.
No, you were telling me that you think TK is town because he's the counterwagon.
But there's only Cantrip pushing that and when I call you on that you say there is no counterwagon.
You're backtracking.
By the way looking back this post was terrible
Example of someone else counter waggoning away from AI on to TK
AE is getting a pass, because he's promising something good tomorrow, his refusal to explain himself and otherwise questionable behavior notwithstanding. Also Karn appears to be vouching for him.
Daegon should get a pass, just because the only way it really works for him to be scum is as part of a massive 3-way conspiracy between himself, AI, and Karn, which seems unlikely.
TK-421 has already claimed vanilla. There's something about his willingness to go along with his own lynch if it means exposing AE for being full of BS that has me now leaning Town on him, notwithstanding his really bad OMGUS vote on me before.
Masterplum I already said I read as Town. Call it the sense of genuineness. Let me ask you this question though, MP: are you a native English speaker?
I feel like both Cantripmancer and KoolKoal are sort of perched on the sidelines at the moment. One of them for scum?
Rhand is at least pushing an agenda, even if that agenda is lynching MP. I don't really get this. Especially the accusation of "active lurking." I feel like MP has been very involved and invested in this game. More than most, which is one of the reasons, among others I like him for Town.
A lot of people have sort of gone silent.
LnG says he's gone until the 25th.
dkingsland hasn't posted in a week. Was supposed to be back yesterday?
Cyouni seems to post at about the minimum level to avoid prodding, and doesn't have a lot of opinions when he does post.
Scum in this group?
Finally there is a "motivator" out there somewhere who targeted Karn once. This role is likely Town, unless, again, massive scum conspiracy. Motivator is not typically scum role anyway. Possibly this is the role Karn found....
I still don't have time to make a case. I'm just typing out my thoughts. Some people may not care for this. Oh well.
I should probably consider that more
I still don't like Rhand. I don't get how he can say Cantrip is the primary pusher in TK when it has obviously been AE.
Plum is dumb but that's doesn't mean he is scum. But him trying to implicate my vote/unvote on TK as a means of "counterwagoning" TK is pretty silly.
This TK lynch is... weird. Not a fan.
Karn is near conftown, but playing pretty horrible right now.
Good point about Cyouni. Usually Cyouni is a strong town player, and he has been near invisible. Raises alarm bells for me.
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I don't know what AE is doing, but he called tk town?
Huh?