Alright, I'm sick of AE's garbage. Its a day and a half before the deadline, and he's still humping the "let's lynch town" strategy like it deserves doing.
Earlier toDay, he was fine beginning this move with his claim, but now he won't, even though it's so important to him that TK gets lynched that he's literally doing nothing else?
Yeah, not buying it.
Vote AE
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I'll bet you wish you had a non-unglued/unhinged card that shared your first name.
This makes no sense to me. I have a feeling that you want to kill TK because of his guild, but I can't even imagine Town role that would benefit from that.
So it makes sense for a scum to openly want to lynch a townie? Why would scum want to trade their life with a townie? If I can't confirm things the following day I know I'd be the lynch. How does that benefit the mafia? The only argument I could see would be if TK was a PR.
Enough of this BS. TK has to be the lynch, mafia will try whatever tonight. Tomorrow I won't even have to explain(but I will) then we can move forward with lynching scum, i.e. KK
I'd probably be voting Rhand if he didn't have a reason to be so out of the game right now.
Seriously Rhand, you don't seem to understand the TK wagon at all, reread it.
You're quite right that my mind isn't 100% in this game.
But i still want to win it, and lynching Karn or AE will not accomplish that.
An uncc'ed cop and his townclear? No way.
I'd probably be voting Rhand if he didn't have a reason to be so out of the game right now.
Seriously Rhand, you don't seem to understand the TK wagon at all, reread it.
You're quite right that my mind isn't 100% in this game.
But i still want to win it, and lynching Karn or AE will not accomplish that.
An uncc'ed cop and his townclear? No way.
So it makes sense for a scum to openly want to lynch a townie? Why would scum want to trade their life with a townie? If I can't confirm things the following day I know I'd be the lynch. How does that benefit the mafia? The only argument I could see would be if TK was a PR.
Enough of this BS. TK has to be the lynch, mafia will try whatever tonight. Tomorrow I won't even have to explain(but I will) then we can move forward with lynching scum, i.e. KK
You completely ignored my point, which is that most of the players in the game aren't following you, yet you aren't showing any urgency here, you're just repeating yourself over and over again as if it will change our minds. You actually are just stalling because you have nothing and want to keep acting like you're useful until the deadline hits.
As for your "scum wouldn't do this" WIFOM argument, I feel the need to point out that smart town wouldn't act the way you have this game either, so your intelligence really has no bearing on your alignment.
And I don't buy for a second you'll lay down and get lynched if we don't like your "reasons" after TK flips. Neither mistaken town nor lying scum would actually do that.
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I'll bet you wish you had a non-unglued/unhinged card that shared your first name.
So I took my wife to the ER this morning at 2am because of intense abdominal pain and uncontrollable vomiting and just recently got home to rescue the friends who were taking care of our kids, feed the kids, and put them to bed. Wife's still at the hospital, no idea what's going on, so I'm VLA for the immediate future. If this stretches out, I'll ask for replacement, but *hopefully* things'll get better soon.
Cyouni often lurks day 1. Not telling of alignment.
I don't know what AE is doing, but he called tk town?
Huh?
I have to echo this.
First, that's not how I play. I've been stuck between final projects, presentations, work, and exams for the past two weeks. Fortunately, that's clearing up on Tuesday, and needless to say, that's not the case permanently.
Second, that's also not an answer to what masterplum asked.
My problem's that at this point, I have four people that I am not averse to seeing lynched at this time. I have also not had the time to go back and look at them in any detail.
And I don't buy for a second you'll lay down and get lynched if we don't like your "reasons" after TK flips. Neither mistaken town nor lying scum would actually do that.
I do have to say that part of the reason I'm ok with the plan is because we are not reliant on him actually laying down and getting lynched. I assume the town will ignore any pleading and rationalizing that may come if things go south and just vote for lynch.
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She wants a ride on the pony, dude.
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Cyouni often lurks day 1. Not telling of alignment.
I don't know what AE is doing, but he called tk town?
Huh?
I have to echo this.
First, that's not how I play. I've been stuck between final projects, presentations, work, and exams for the past two weeks. Fortunately, that's clearing up on Tuesday, and needless to say, that's not the case permanently.
Second, that's also not an answer to what masterplum asked.
My problem's that at this point, I have four people that I am not averse to seeing lynched at this time. I have also not had the time to go back and look at them in any detail.
yeh I know
I don't know what my brain did there.
But I have seen this kind of lurkish play more from you, albeit more early game than later on.
On top of my previous qualms, there is something that bothers me with Rhand ignoring my question twice, then as soon as Cyoni shows up and asks what's up Rhand became instantly apologetic.
I think AE is town... Well, at least not scum. Doubt scum would ever be so obvious as to outright ask for a town lynch. I also think he might have some big hole in his plan he hasn't realized so I'm certainly not following through with it.
So AE and TK are out. I still don't like Ln's vote on TK yesterday but that won't go anywhere, and Rhand's "we don't need to worry about any scan on AI" comment was just as bad
I think Rhand is the best chance of hitting scum of a lynch that looks like it might happen
I think AE is town, but I have no inkling what his plan could be and I'm not into lynching town to support it.
Karn, if you copped me, you are welcome to reveal my role.
Nothing over the past week of posts that I missed has changed my views of multiple scum between Rhand / masterplum / KoolKoal / LnGrrrR. The first two are an unaligned pair to me. Also, the fact that KK claimed Rakdos has him inching up my scumlist. Scarbo was Rakdos and conftown, and I'm town and Rakdos. I would be very surprised if the scum aren't spread out throughout the guilds.
I hated RobRoy's D1 play, and as such I will support this new wagon. Rhand's flip will tell us a lot about masterplum as well.
As I explained yesterDay, I don't think I'm a bad lynch... I hope I provided enough to look back at.
Better now than in lylo, and Robroy's play combined with my mental distance to mafia right now would lead to my lynch eventually anyways.
Wait, two players in my lean-scum pile are leading the charge on Rhand.
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Again, I'm not supporting a plan that involves sacrificing a townie with this little info. I'm not voting for TK toDay unless somebody wants to spell out what is going on.
Classic Karn. Refers to post nobody remembers. Makes no effort to find and quote said post.
Classic Plum. Doesn't read the thread and thinks just because I didn't go back and quote something that it doesn't exist. Makes no effort to go find and read said post.
Classic Karn. Refers to post nobody remembers. Makes no effort to find and quote said post.
Classic Plum. Doesn't read the thread and thinks just because I didn't go back and quote something that it doesn't exist. Makes no effort to go find and read said post.
@Karn: I find it extremely hard to believe that the person you targeted last night hasn't asked you to reveal it now.
I wouldn't say that person has asked me to reveal that it was them. At least that's not how it came across to me. I might be interpreting it wrong I guess.
I think AE is town... Well, at least not scum. Doubt scum would ever be so obvious as to outright ask for a town lynch. I also think he might have some big hole in his plan he hasn't realized so I'm certainly not following through with it.
I am beat, guys. I am getting no sleep for possibly the next two+ weeks. At this point I am almost ready to just do what AE is asking. I don't have the time or energy to come up with something else. Karn says it makes sense to him. I can at least conceive of abilities that would make this make at least a slight amount of sense. Not sure why AE can't just tell us though. I have a harder time understanding what this ability/plan could be that the scum knowing more would make such a difference.
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Yea. If TK is scum, we lynched scum. If TK is town that is okay too. Big upside, little downside.
We're not lynching KK Tomorrow - or at all.
If you're saying what I think you're saying, I am going to have to completely reassess my reads. I've had a lean-scum read on KK since D1 when he was mostly spouting out theory instead of scumhunting (see Megiddo in Xymande).
Masterplum appeared Townie, but his push on Karn makes little sense to me.
Agreed with this. Karn handed us AI on a silver platter, and his role was obviously strong. Lynching Karn toDay is just plain dumb.
AE is saying TK should be the lynch while also believing TK is Town. Da faq. Seeing how AE cared about guilds and knowing he's a Golgari I'd assume his role cares about graveyard. Maybe some major ability boost after member of each guild is dead. Or maybe something related to the fact TK is the member of the same guild? I'm not so convinced TK is Town, but I don't think he is the lynch toDay.
I don't like this role/guild fishing around Golgari and graveyards.
Nothing about Rhand so far made me want to lynch him.
I agree with KK, it would be a big trolling if Rakdos of all guilds had no scum in it. I may look into Dking later, some pressure on less active members wouldn't hurt us.
Why "Rakdos of all guilds"? Niv-Mizzet isn't an evil character, and he was scum. And clarify, are you also Rakdos?
Yes I think TK is town. Yes I want to lynch him, it will help me out and greatly benefit the town. All will be revealed first thing tomorrow.
Now, can we get going on lynching TK?
They hate us cause they ain't us.
For once I agree with you. He looks like a neutral.
But Karn copped him and called his ability town.
Earlier toDay, he was fine beginning this move with his claim, but now he won't, even though it's so important to him that TK gets lynched that he's literally doing nothing else?
Yeah, not buying it.
Vote AE
Seriously Rhand, you don't seem to understand the TK wagon at all, reread it.
TKs not a GM correct?
I do. You will see.
So it makes sense for a scum to openly want to lynch a townie? Why would scum want to trade their life with a townie? If I can't confirm things the following day I know I'd be the lynch. How does that benefit the mafia? The only argument I could see would be if TK was a PR.
Enough of this BS. TK has to be the lynch, mafia will try whatever tonight. Tomorrow I won't even have to explain(but I will) then we can move forward with lynching scum, i.e. KK
They hate us cause they ain't us.
I am still waiting for Rhand to explain how cyouni being inactive on day 1s makes him ok to be inactive day 3
It's not ok, but it's how he plays. It's not a tell of anything.
You're quite right that my mind isn't 100% in this game.
But i still want to win it, and lynching Karn or AE will not accomplish that.
An uncc'ed cop and his townclear? No way.
I have responded to this literally 3 times
As for your "scum wouldn't do this" WIFOM argument, I feel the need to point out that smart town wouldn't act the way you have this game either, so your intelligence really has no bearing on your alignment.
And I don't buy for a second you'll lay down and get lynched if we don't like your "reasons" after TK flips. Neither mistaken town nor lying scum would actually do that.
I'll do vc and prod check tomorrow night.
I have to echo this.
First, that's not how I play. I've been stuck between final projects, presentations, work, and exams for the past two weeks. Fortunately, that's clearing up on Tuesday, and needless to say, that's not the case permanently.
Second, that's also not an answer to what masterplum asked.
My problem's that at this point, I have four people that I am not averse to seeing lynched at this time. I have also not had the time to go back and look at them in any detail.
I do have to say that part of the reason I'm ok with the plan is because we are not reliant on him actually laying down and getting lynched. I assume the town will ignore any pleading and rationalizing that may come if things go south and just vote for lynch.
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yeh I know
I don't know what my brain did there.
But I have seen this kind of lurkish play more from you, albeit more early game than later on.
Give some games that you found Cantrip "lurkish" please, and show why that means he is town instead of scum.
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Vote:Rhand
On top of my previous qualms, there is something that bothers me with Rhand ignoring my question twice, then as soon as Cyoni shows up and asks what's up Rhand became instantly apologetic.
I think AE is town... Well, at least not scum. Doubt scum would ever be so obvious as to outright ask for a town lynch. I also think he might have some big hole in his plan he hasn't realized so I'm certainly not following through with it.
So AE and TK are out. I still don't like Ln's vote on TK yesterday but that won't go anywhere, and Rhand's "we don't need to worry about any scan on AI" comment was just as bad
I think Rhand is the best chance of hitting scum of a lynch that looks like it might happen
What did I say about AI that is bad?
(oh and look who just started my wagon... you just called him scum.)
I am not perfect, nor is bussing not a thing.
Karn, if you copped me, you are welcome to reveal my role.
Nothing over the past week of posts that I missed has changed my views of multiple scum between Rhand / masterplum / KoolKoal / LnGrrrR. The first two are an unaligned pair to me. Also, the fact that KK claimed Rakdos has him inching up my scumlist. Scarbo was Rakdos and conftown, and I'm town and Rakdos. I would be very surprised if the scum aren't spread out throughout the guilds.
I hated RobRoy's D1 play, and as such I will support this new wagon. Rhand's flip will tell us a lot about masterplum as well.
Vote Rhand
Better now than in lylo, and Robroy's play combined with my mental distance to mafia right now would lead to my lynch eventually anyways.
My current T/S:
Town
Karn
AE (neutral?)
Lean town
Dkings
Axelrod
Null
Cyouni
Dagaen
Lean scum
Cantripmancer
Koolkoal
LnGgrr
TK-421 (neutral?)
Scum
Masterplum
choo choo
There's exactly as many votes on me as there are on you. You go first?
Vote Count
Rhand (3): LnGrrrR, masterplum, dkingsland967
TK-421 (2): Archmage Eternal, Cantripmancer
masterplum (2): Rhand, Sir Karn
Archmage Eternal (2): TK-421, KoolKoal
With 14 alive, it's 8 to lynch!
Please inform me if there is an error with any vote count.
I will do a prod check later today.
Still, I'm not gonna claim at L-5, that's just silly.
More votes on Rhand CHOO CHOO
ftfy
The only options for toDay are Plum and TK.
I prefer Plum but will give in to a TK lynch since I have an idea of what AE is up to.
You guys that are voting AE: stahp.
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Again, I'm not supporting a plan that involves sacrificing a townie with this little info. I'm not voting for TK toDay unless somebody wants to spell out what is going on.
Classic Plum. Doesn't read the thread and thinks just because I didn't go back and quote something that it doesn't exist. Makes no effort to go find and read said post.
Doing so won't help him throw mud
If a Rakdos player gets NK'ed tonight, insta-lynch Karn plz
I wouldn't say that person has asked me to reveal that it was them. At least that's not how it came across to me. I might be interpreting it wrong I guess.
I big hole that I haven't realized? C'mon now.
Karn does my plan look leak proof? Ironclad?
Look at this nonsense. Your the lynch for tomorrow.
They hate us cause they ain't us.
We're not lynching KK Tomorrow - or at all.
I think we should push dkingsland for that opportunist wagon hop, and self-conscious back-track.
Problem is we need more time.
Mod: I'd like to request an extension.
I don't know how you can just list Karn as town without acknowledging his flagrant contradictions
AE: would the plan not work if you tell us what it is before we execute it?
Why?
If you're saying what I think you're saying, I am going to have to completely reassess my reads. I've had a lean-scum read on KK since D1 when he was mostly spouting out theory instead of scumhunting (see Megiddo in Xymande).