Is that all you got man? Scum got no skills in this forum.
Pretty funny coming from you.
@lonewolfperson: Don't thank posts. It's a modkillable offense. Unless you're scum. Then thank all the posts you want.
Karn, zeman, and UAL are all acting like childish. I'd expect more from Karn.
What's childish about my behaviour? UAL is refusing to answer questions, then making up blatant lies about myself and zeman, and he's not even supporting his claims with evidence after I specifically ask him to over and over.
And on top of it, UAL is calling for a mod to infract us, while UAL is saying the same things, or even more, than Zeman and I are saying.
God, reading this thread has been a pain. The bickering definitely needs to stop right now. Deep breaths guys.
Of the 3 involved (Karn, Zeman, UAL) I'm not getting any scum-reads. I don't know who hasn't answered what, but they all are making themselves clearly seen and don't seem to be nervous or worried.
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I'm getting a town-read on LWB. She feels like genuine noobtown who is confused on how this is supposed to work.
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I'm making my vote on Nachomamma serious as I didn't like the way he jumped on DCIII in his first post. Zem's comment hardly comes across as a strong piece of scumhunting and the way he phrased the question looked quite manipulative. With that said, other stuff:
Two votes on Rodemy already, who hasn't made a single post, so why so keen to get an early Rodemy wagon going?
Changes his vote to serious but offers no explanation on what he didn't like about Nachomamma's post.
Casts some suspicion on Zeman and I, in a very opportunistic way. Jumps straight to calling Zeman "manipulative" and I "keen", implying that we have agendas.
I'm making my vote on Nachomamma serious as I didn't like the way he jumped on DCIII in his first post. Zem's comment hardly comes across as a strong piece of scumhunting and the way he phrased the question looked quite manipulative. With that said, other stuff:
Two votes on Rodemy already, who hasn't made a single post, so why so keen to get an early Rodemy wagon going?
Changes his vote to serious but offers no explanation on what he didn't like about Nachomamma's post.
Casts some suspicion on Zeman and I, in a very opportunistic way. Jumps straight to calling Zeman "manipulative" and I "keen", implying that we have agendas.
So your response to asking why you tried to get one wagon going (which considering you laid down a vote with zero explanation was the only conclusion someone could reasonable jump to) is instead to try and start another. Any chance you can explain your original Rodemy vote?
As for my Nacho vote I actually did explain why I didn't like his response. You even quoted it. If you need more detail then I will provide it. If you don't like my reasons then say that. But don't pretend I didn't offer any explanation for my viewpoints please.
And yes I did cast suspicion on you. I didn't like your vote and I called you out for it. It'll happen a lot in this game so your just gonna have to get used to it.
Finally I didn't call Zema manipulative, I called Nachomamma manipulative for his post.
I will be around surprisingly late tonight because I will watching something called the superbowl. Looks intriguing.
And yes I did cast suspicion on you. I didn't like your vote and I called you out for it. It'll happen a lot in this game so your just gonna have to get used to it.
You're that sure Tom is scum?
What if I told you I was going to vote Rodemy for shiggles until I saw DCIII's post?
And yes I did cast suspicion on you. I didn't like your vote and I called you out for it. It'll happen a lot in this game so your just gonna have to get used to it.
You're that sure Tom is scum?
What if I told you I was going to vote Rodemy for shiggles until I saw DCIII's post?
Did I say Tom was scum? No.
I questioned him. The notion that I had a certain scumread in the few posts of the game is silly. I was suspicious of the post so I followed through. That's long way short of placing him in the scumpile, as I hope you would be aware.
As for your question, that would have been a fourth vote on Rodemy. I would have been even more suspicious of you. In a game with four newbies, such a wagon would be dangerously close to claim range before he had even posted. What purpose does an early Rod wagon serve?
Oh I misunderstood the part about Zeman, then. Still your response to my Rodemy vote was opportunistic and just bad in general.
Looks like you don't have anything else to say about the 100 posts that have passed, besides getting on the defensive and continuing throw suspicion onto me?
Oh I misunderstood the part about Zeman, then. Still your response to my Rodemy vote was opportunistic and just bad in general.
Looks like you don't have anything else to say about the 100 posts that have passed, besides getting on the defensive and continuing throw suspicion onto me?
How was it opportunistic? I asked a question. One you still don't answer.
If you need a response to the first 100, you'll get it. But I can't be bothered to dissect it this late, so it'll probably be tomorrow morning. You wanted to discuss my post and that I am prepared to do. Don't hate me for engaging with you.
Do you really think that any of us would have asked Rodemy to claim if he got to L-2? Do you really think that he was in any danger of getting lynched?
The purpose behind my vote was
A) amusement
B) try to get some reactions
Do you really think that any of us would have asked Rodemy to claim if he got to L-2? Do you really think that he was in any danger of getting lynched?
The purpose behind my vote was
A) amusement
B) try to get some reactions
Both worked out pretty well.
Three votes for no reason looked bad to me. For me an rvs vote is more amusing if it has reasons. Even if they are bad - like mine was. I didn't get that feel off the Rodemy votes (unless there's a joke I'm not getting).
How was it opportunistic? I asked a question. One you still don't answer.
If you need a response to the first 100, you'll get it. But I can't be bothered to dissect it this late, so it'll probably be tomorrow morning. You wanted to discuss my post and that I am prepared to do. Don't hate me for engaging with you.
So you just entered the thread and read my post but not the rest of the game up to that point?
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- can I change he number of posts / page somehow? 20 is silly.
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Three votes for no reason looked bad to me. For me an rvs vote is more amusing if it has reasons. Even if they are bad - like mine was. I didn't get that feel off the Rodemy votes (unless there's a joke I'm not getting).
What reactions did you expect Tom?
It was amusing to me, at least.
I didn't predict the future and expect any particular reactions. I was curious how Rodemy in particular would respond to a reasonless wagon on him with several votes.
Instead I get you taking the opportunity to cast some suspicion on me for terrible reasons.
And yes I did cast suspicion on you. I didn't like your vote and I called you out for it. It'll happen a lot in this game so your just gonna have to get used to it.
You're that sure Tom is scum?
What if I told you I was going to vote Rodemy for shiggles until I saw DCIII's post?
Did I say Tom was scum? No.
I questioned him. The notion that I had a certain scumread in the few posts of the game is silly. I was suspicious of the post so I followed through. That's long way short of placing him in the scumpile, as I hope you would be aware.
As for your question, that would have been a fourth vote on Rodemy. I would have been even more suspicious of you. In a game with four newbies, such a wagon would be dangerously close to claim range before he had even posted. What purpose does an early Rod wagon serve?
Oh because it sounded to me like you said you wouldn't stop casting suspicion on him.
You're really grasping here viz-a-viz the Rodemy wagon.
How was it opportunistic? I asked a question. One you still don't answer.
If you need a response to the first 100, you'll get it. But I can't be bothered to dissect it this late, so it'll probably be tomorrow morning. You wanted to discuss my post and that I am prepared to do. Don't hate me for engaging with you.
So you just entered the thread and read my post but not the rest of the game up to that point?
Pretty much. Yours was the last post, and me name was bolded. I can't say I'm frilled at getting 100 odd posts a day and I expected the pace to be a little slower but I'm here now and I'll just have to do my best. Like I said a thorough will happen when I feel up to it.
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- can I change he number of posts / page somehow? 20 is silly.
1. Yes, if you aren't in the "quick reply" thing, but the actual reply thing. You can click Preview Post, and if you scroll down it shows the most recent posts.
Three votes for no reason looked bad to me. For me an rvs vote is more amusing if it has reasons. Even if they are bad - like mine was. I didn't get that feel off the Rodemy votes (unless there's a joke I'm not getting).
What reactions did you expect Tom?
It was amusing to me, at least.
I didn't predict the future and expect any particular reactions. I was curious how Rodemy in particular would respond to a reasonless wagon on him with several votes.
Instead I get you taking the opportunity to cast some suspicion on me for terrible reasons.
So what did you learn about Rodemy from the wagon?
Like I said it wasn't opportunistic it was a question because I didn't like you vote.
And yes I did cast suspicion on you. I didn't like your vote and I called you out for it. It'll happen a lot in this game so your just gonna have to get used to it.
You're that sure Tom is scum?
What if I told you I was going to vote Rodemy for shiggles until I saw DCIII's post?
Did I say Tom was scum? No.
I questioned him. The notion that I had a certain scumread in the few posts of the game is silly. I was suspicious of the post so I followed through. That's long way short of placing him in the scumpile, as I hope you would be aware.
As for your question, that would have been a fourth vote on Rodemy. I would have been even more suspicious of you. In a game with four newbies, such a wagon would be dangerously close to claim range before he had even posted. What purpose does an early Rod wagon serve?
Oh because it sounded to me like you said you wouldn't stop casting suspicion on him.
You're really grasping here viz-a-viz the Rodemy wagon.
Really, one post sounded like I was going to spend the whole game tunneling on him. From one vote on the first page. From two vote. REALLLY!
And you make it sound like I'm pushing for a lynch based on the Rodemy wagon. The funny thing is I have done nothing of the sort.
Antny it wasn't just a question, because in your question you assumed and implied that I was scum with an agenda. That's why I have a problem with it. You took the opportunity of something you found odd to imply that I was scum, even though there was nothing scummy about what I did.
And yes I did cast suspicion on you. I didn't like your vote and I called you out for it. It'll happen a lot in this game so your just gonna have to get used to it.
You're that sure Tom is scum?
What if I told you I was going to vote Rodemy for shiggles until I saw DCIII's post?
Did I say Tom was scum? No.
I questioned him. The notion that I had a certain scumread in the few posts of the game is silly. I was suspicious of the post so I followed through. That's long way short of placing him in the scumpile, as I hope you would be aware.
As for your question, that would have been a fourth vote on Rodemy. I would have been even more suspicious of you. In a game with four newbies, such a wagon would be dangerously close to claim range before he had even posted. What purpose does an early Rod wagon serve?
Oh because it sounded to me like you said you wouldn't stop casting suspicion on him.
You're really grasping here viz-a-viz the Rodemy wagon.
Really, one post sounded like I was going to spend the whole game tunneling on him. From one vote on the first page. From two vote. REALLLY!
And yes I did cast suspicion on you. I didn't like your vote and I called you out for it. It'll happen a lot in this game so your just gonna have to get used to it.
I read what I bolded as Tom would have to get used to you casting suspicion on him because you said it would happen a lot. Did I misinterpret you?
Antny it wasn't just a question, because in your question you assumed and implied that I was scum with an agenda. That's why I have a problem with it. You took the opportunity of something you found odd to imply that I was scum, even though there was nothing scummy about what I did.
No I didn't. I wanted a response to your vote and honestly if trying to do that is such a big deal maybe I should stop trying to find scum now. I did NOT say you were scum. I DID NOT imply you were scum. I DID not even FoS you, let alone lay down a vote. Stop misrepresenting me!
And yes I did cast suspicion on you. I didn't like your vote and I called you out for it. It'll happen a lot in this game so your just gonna have to get used to it.
I read what I bolded as Tom would have to get used to you casting suspicion on him because you said it would happen a lot. Did I misinterpret you?
Oh, that didn't mean Tom specifically. I just meant I will be asking questions and casting suspicians in general, on all players. That's how we find scum.
Antny it wasn't just a question, because in your question you assumed and implied that I was scum with an agenda. That's why I have a problem with it. You took the opportunity of something you found odd to imply that I was scum, even though there was nothing scummy about what I did.
No I didn't. I wanted a response to your vote and honestly if trying to do that is such a big deal maybe I should stop trying to find scum now. I did NOT say you were scum. I DID NOT imply you were scum. I DID not even FoS you, let alone lay down a vote. Stop misrepresenting me!
How much of the mafia scum wiki have you read? How many games have you played?
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No I didn't. I wanted a response to your vote and honestly if trying to do that is such a big deal maybe I should stop trying to find scum now. I did NOT say you were scum. I DID NOT imply you were scum. I DID not even FoS you, let alone lay down a vote. Stop misrepresenting me!
This is your question, and you assume in your question that I'm "so keen to get an early wagon going", which implies that you think I have an agenda and that I'm scum.
You are getting quite defensive from very little pressure. I'm happy with my vote.
This is your question, and you assume in your question that I'm "so keen to get an early wagon going", which implies that you think I have an agenda and that I'm scum.
No it asked you why you put the vote down. Three votes at that stage is wagon as far as I know. If I used the wrong word I am sorry. There's no implied agenda, and I reiterate that I did not call you scum nor have I called you scum in any posts (you can check them if you want).
If my desire to explain myself and make sure my stances come across clearly (even if they don't the first time) comes across as defensive then I guess you'll just have to adapt to my playstyle. I will fight anyone who puts words in my mouth, town or scum and I will won't back down from that. That much I learnt from my last game.
Are you trying to say that the question I quoted wasn't the question you asked?
Because the question I quoted doesn't ask why I put the vote down.
The question I quoted asks why I'm so keen to get an early wagon started, which is a loaded question because no townie is keen to start an early (real) wagon right at the start of the game. No townie has that kind of agenda.
You're telling two different stories here Antny: 1) You were suspicious of Tom for his "scummy-looking" vote. 2) Not once have you ever called Tom scum or been suspicious of him.
The third vote created the wagon. You have admitted to starting the wagon to get a reaction. Why is it such a big deal I call you out on it when, at the time Rodemy had posted nothing and thus doesn't deserve to get three votes when other people have none. You choose to put your vote there instead of just putting a vote on player with no votes yet. The intention, whether it was town or scum, was to create a wagon. So why can't I use the word wagon here?
You can be pissed or sensitive that I thought your vote was suspicious, but if deliberately acted suspicious I don't really understand what you were trying to achieve in the first place.
You're telling two different stories here Antny: 1) You were suspicious of Tom for his "scummy-looking" vote. 2) Not once have you ever called Tom scum or been suspicious of him.
I think you're back pedaling.
No your refusing to differentiate between hunting scum and catching scum. I wanted to find out if Tom was scummy with my question. That certainly doesn't mean that I had pegged Tom as scum by post 7 which is what your accusing me of.
Antny, the word "wagon" has very little to do with it.
Instead of asking "why did you make a third RVS vote on Rodemy with no reasoning?"
You basically asked "why are you so eager to get an early claim / lynch?"
There lies the problem. You assume I'm eager or "keen" to do something like that, which I wasn't, and would be rather scummy if I was. It's a loaded question because you make that assumption.
You took the opportunity to paint me in a scummy light for a silly reason.
I'm going to step away from this game. Rereading (or doing as much of a reread as I can right now) we seem to have half the town tunnelling (myself included) while half the town either haven't posted or have barely posted. LBW comes across as just nervous and new. I can't untangle the UAL, Kran, Zem stuff but it looks too heated for sure.
As for the guys going after me, I doubt their all scum, as it's unlikely a whole scum team would focus on a single player this early.
I guess can see where Tom is coming from, even if I'm not thrilled with the way he's done it, especially since of some of what I said could be misconstrued (my reasons for nachomamma should have been clearer) and I did go after him initially (that said if asking a question like this ends with this level of reaction I don't know what I'm going to do in this game). I kinda feel like there was some OMGUS in his vote and I still don't like he desire to get an early wagon going - whether on me or anyone else. That said he could easily still be reaction baiting. If it was the word keen rather than wagon that offended then Ok lesson learned, I'll be more careful with my posting. If it looked like I painted your vote scummy that's because I was suspicious of it. I don't know how to explain to people how something can suspicious without being locked in as scum but at this point you'll just have to accept that I didn't like the vote, wanted to question and didn't see the reason to worry about being nice. Consider how people have behaved this game so far I'm sure I really need to apologise if you think it was too 'loaded'. I asked it how I asked it and it you felt it was unfair than I apologise. But I am not saying sorry for asking. I didn't like the vote and I want like something I will call a player out for it, whether I'm right or wrong. It's something that seems almost too obvious to me. So yeah, I did consider the possibility that your vote could have scum reasoning behind it and from my limited experience I felt going after you was the way to play it. . But I did not imply that there HAD to be a scum agenda. Did I consider that it was an option? Yes. The vote didn't (in fact still doesn't) make sense to me. I think you would have been better not putting your vote behind Rod and instead focused on a player without attention but it seems you have your reasons and we'll disagree. As far as scummy light goes, when I want to imply scum I will use FoS or such as I have been told. I certainly won't be hiding my scumreads nor do I feel the need to be subtle about them.
Judging by his interactions with players so far Sir Karn looks to just be really aggressive so I don't have any read on him.
Swishh, I am unsure of, and if anyone pushing me is scum I think it would be him. I get the feeling from his posts that he understands what I'm saying but doesn't really want to admit that he does. Either way I feel like he's more likely scum than nacho at this point so;
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I think I'll hold off voting anyone until others have posted. We could easily have a scumteam comprised of players with not many posts and I feel slowing the pace down and letting people catch up is the right move.
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What's childish about my behaviour? UAL is refusing to answer questions, then making up blatant lies about myself and zeman, and he's not even supporting his claims with evidence after I specifically ask him to over and over.
And on top of it, UAL is calling for a mod to infract us, while UAL is saying the same things, or even more, than Zeman and I are saying.
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Still doesn't make sense.
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@Karn: I don't know but it seemed like you were egging UAL on.
Can we call a treaty?
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So I'd rather stay on this than let him off the hook 'just because'.
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Of the 3 involved (Karn, Zeman, UAL) I'm not getting any scum-reads. I don't know who hasn't answered what, but they all are making themselves clearly seen and don't seem to be nervous or worried.
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I'm getting a town-read on LWB. She feels like genuine noobtown who is confused on how this is supposed to work.
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Changes his vote to serious but offers no explanation on what he didn't like about Nachomamma's post.
Casts some suspicion on Zeman and I, in a very opportunistic way. Jumps straight to calling Zeman "manipulative" and I "keen", implying that we have agendas.
So your response to asking why you tried to get one wagon going (which considering you laid down a vote with zero explanation was the only conclusion someone could reasonable jump to) is instead to try and start another. Any chance you can explain your original Rodemy vote?
As for my Nacho vote I actually did explain why I didn't like his response. You even quoted it. If you need more detail then I will provide it. If you don't like my reasons then say that. But don't pretend I didn't offer any explanation for my viewpoints please.
And yes I did cast suspicion on you. I didn't like your vote and I called you out for it. It'll happen a lot in this game so your just gonna have to get used to it.
Finally I didn't call Zema manipulative, I called Nachomamma manipulative for his post.
I will be around surprisingly late tonight because I will watching something called the superbowl. Looks intriguing.
You're that sure Tom is scum?
What if I told you I was going to vote Rodemy for shiggles until I saw DCIII's post?
Did I say Tom was scum? No.
I questioned him. The notion that I had a certain scumread in the few posts of the game is silly. I was suspicious of the post so I followed through. That's long way short of placing him in the scumpile, as I hope you would be aware.
As for your question, that would have been a fourth vote on Rodemy. I would have been even more suspicious of you. In a game with four newbies, such a wagon would be dangerously close to claim range before he had even posted. What purpose does an early Rod wagon serve?
Looks like you don't have anything else to say about the 100 posts that have passed, besides getting on the defensive and continuing throw suspicion onto me?
Whoa whoa. Almost close to /claim/ range? Stop the press.
If an rvs wagon got him to claim range, everyone was automatically going to demand a claim from Rodemy AND lynch him if he refused.
How was it opportunistic? I asked a question. One you still don't answer.
If you need a response to the first 100, you'll get it. But I can't be bothered to dissect it this late, so it'll probably be tomorrow morning. You wanted to discuss my post and that I am prepared to do. Don't hate me for engaging with you.
The purpose behind my vote was
A) amusement
B) try to get some reactions
Both worked out pretty well.
Which is why rvs wagons are bad and the extra vote on Rodemy was unnecessary.
Three votes for no reason looked bad to me. For me an rvs vote is more amusing if it has reasons. Even if they are bad - like mine was. I didn't get that feel off the Rodemy votes (unless there's a joke I'm not getting).
What reactions did you expect Tom?
So you just entered the thread and read my post but not the rest of the game up to that point?
Tom - I'd say you got what you were after haha. Which players here have you played with before?
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- is there a way to turn on a review for when there's a post made while I'm typing my response? Frequently there are 2-3 posts while I'm typing a reply.
- can I change he number of posts / page somehow? 20 is silly.
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It was amusing to me, at least.
I didn't predict the future and expect any particular reactions. I was curious how Rodemy in particular would respond to a reasonless wagon on him with several votes.
Instead I get you taking the opportunity to cast some suspicion on me for terrible reasons.
Oh because it sounded to me like you said you wouldn't stop casting suspicion on him.
You're really grasping here viz-a-viz the Rodemy wagon.
Pretty much. Yours was the last post, and me name was bolded. I can't say I'm frilled at getting 100 odd posts a day and I expected the pace to be a little slower but I'm here now and I'll just have to do my best. Like I said a thorough will happen when I feel up to it.
I should warn you, this late at night sarcasm is going over me head.
Me, You, LWB and SirGrizz. You can tell cause we are the guys with mentors.
Shhh. You're trusting Tom. UAL will notice.
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I'm familiar with Karn, Nacho, and swishh. A little with Grizz and Rodemy too.
1. Yes, if you aren't in the "quick reply" thing, but the actual reply thing. You can click Preview Post, and if you scroll down it shows the most recent posts.
So what did you learn about Rodemy from the wagon?
Like I said it wasn't opportunistic it was a question because I didn't like you vote.
Really, one post sounded like I was going to spend the whole game tunneling on him. From one vote on the first page. From two vote. REALLLY!
And you make it sound like I'm pushing for a lynch based on the Rodemy wagon. The funny thing is I have done nothing of the sort.
Don't worry normally I'm more awake when I play.
Let's try this again.
I read what I bolded as Tom would have to get used to you casting suspicion on him because you said it would happen a lot. Did I misinterpret you?
That's sort of the point. You're just flinging suspicion around willy-nilly.
No I didn't. I wanted a response to your vote and honestly if trying to do that is such a big deal maybe I should stop trying to find scum now. I did NOT say you were scum. I DID NOT imply you were scum. I DID not even FoS you, let alone lay down a vote. Stop misrepresenting me!
Nothing, he hasn't posted yet. I learned about you from the wagon instead.
Oh, that didn't mean Tom specifically. I just meant I will be asking questions and casting suspicians in general, on all players. That's how we find scum.
That's sort of the point. You're just flinging suspicion around willy-nilly.[/QUOTE]
Not willy-nilly I didn't like his vote, as I kept saying. Would you rather I just twiddled my thumbs and did nothing?
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OK, well educate me, how does putting down a scummy looking vote and getting another player to ask you why help you learn me alignment?
This is your question, and you assume in your question that I'm "so keen to get an early wagon going", which implies that you think I have an agenda and that I'm scum.
You are getting quite defensive from very little pressure. I'm happy with my vote.
I have one completed game (Walking Dead Mafia) and I haven't really read the wiki.
No it asked you why you put the vote down. Three votes at that stage is wagon as far as I know. If I used the wrong word I am sorry. There's no implied agenda, and I reiterate that I did not call you scum nor have I called you scum in any posts (you can check them if you want).
If my desire to explain myself and make sure my stances come across clearly (even if they don't the first time) comes across as defensive then I guess you'll just have to adapt to my playstyle. I will fight anyone who puts words in my mouth, town or scum and I will won't back down from that. That much I learnt from my last game.
Are you trying to say that the question I quoted wasn't the question you asked?
Because the question I quoted doesn't ask why I put the vote down.
The question I quoted asks why I'm so keen to get an early wagon started, which is a loaded question because no townie is keen to start an early (real) wagon right at the start of the game. No townie has that kind of agenda.
I think you're back pedaling.
You can be pissed or sensitive that I thought your vote was suspicious, but if deliberately acted suspicious I don't really understand what you were trying to achieve in the first place.
No your refusing to differentiate between hunting scum and catching scum. I wanted to find out if Tom was scummy with my question. That certainly doesn't mean that I had pegged Tom as scum by post 7 which is what your accusing me of.
Instead of asking "why did you make a third RVS vote on Rodemy with no reasoning?"
You basically asked "why are you so eager to get an early claim / lynch?"
There lies the problem. You assume I'm eager or "keen" to do something like that, which I wasn't, and would be rather scummy if I was. It's a loaded question because you make that assumption.
You took the opportunity to paint me in a scummy light for a silly reason.
As for the guys going after me, I doubt their all scum, as it's unlikely a whole scum team would focus on a single player this early.
I guess can see where Tom is coming from, even if I'm not thrilled with the way he's done it, especially since of some of what I said could be misconstrued (my reasons for nachomamma should have been clearer) and I did go after him initially (that said if asking a question like this ends with this level of reaction I don't know what I'm going to do in this game). I kinda feel like there was some OMGUS in his vote and I still don't like he desire to get an early wagon going - whether on me or anyone else. That said he could easily still be reaction baiting. If it was the word keen rather than wagon that offended then Ok lesson learned, I'll be more careful with my posting. If it looked like I painted your vote scummy that's because I was suspicious of it. I don't know how to explain to people how something can suspicious without being locked in as scum but at this point you'll just have to accept that I didn't like the vote, wanted to question and didn't see the reason to worry about being nice. Consider how people have behaved this game so far I'm sure I really need to apologise if you think it was too 'loaded'. I asked it how I asked it and it you felt it was unfair than I apologise. But I am not saying sorry for asking. I didn't like the vote and I want like something I will call a player out for it, whether I'm right or wrong. It's something that seems almost too obvious to me. So yeah, I did consider the possibility that your vote could have scum reasoning behind it and from my limited experience I felt going after you was the way to play it. . But I did not imply that there HAD to be a scum agenda. Did I consider that it was an option? Yes. The vote didn't (in fact still doesn't) make sense to me. I think you would have been better not putting your vote behind Rod and instead focused on a player without attention but it seems you have your reasons and we'll disagree. As far as scummy light goes, when I want to imply scum I will use FoS or such as I have been told. I certainly won't be hiding my scumreads nor do I feel the need to be subtle about them.
Judging by his interactions with players so far Sir Karn looks to just be really aggressive so I don't have any read on him.
Swishh, I am unsure of, and if anyone pushing me is scum I think it would be him. I get the feeling from his posts that he understands what I'm saying but doesn't really want to admit that he does. Either way I feel like he's more likely scum than nacho at this point so;
unvote
I think I'll hold off voting anyone until others have posted. We could easily have a scumteam comprised of players with not many posts and I feel slowing the pace down and letting people catch up is the right move.