Tom, now you think I'm scum? I'm not going to argue against Toms lynch anymore. I don't see him anything but town but he keeps putting his foot in his mouth and making it hard to not see him as scum. Go ahead and hammer, won't be coming from me. I'll spend my time time looking at how his wagon went about.
Tom, now you think I'm scum? I'm not going to argue against Toms lynch anymore. I don't see him anything but town but he keeps putting his foot in his mouth and making it hard to not see him as scum. Go ahead and hammer, won't be coming from me. I'll spend my time time looking at how his wagon went about.
If you can make an argument that Tom and I are scumbuddies I'd love to see it. His posts read like he knows I'm town.
I don't see him anything but town but he keeps putting his foot in his mouth and making it hard to not see him as scum. Go ahead and hammer, won't be coming from me.
Seems like a good enough reason to me.
That or he's scum and he knows Tom is town and he doesn't want to be the one to hammer and draw the suspicion.
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AE how is my foot in my mouth, firstly I don't think I'm that flexible and secondly IDK what I could possibly say to convince the others that I'm town.
Scarbo, do we have a deal then? You obviously have nothing to lose since you are so convinced.
And what is this talk of buddies, holy crap, I'm town you ******* idiots.
That's day 2 talk in any circumstance ever.
Scarbo, your case is not impressive. Why are you so 100% on this? Like not even 99%, but 100%. Your case does not confirm me as scum. You know that. You are a ******* ******** and are miserable to play with.
Is it worth pointing out you only put yourself at L-1 or were you already aware with that outburst?
If you read the thread, you'd know that I'm the hammer.
I find it funny you aim all your vitriol at the one person who has issues with you that you then town lean. Everybody else who has take. Issue with your weird collapse are scum leans.
Why are you still trying to push my lynch? I'm dead.
Asenion, the only person you would vote for today is now a town lean. Scarbo who you seem to think is 100% certain you are scum day 1 is a town lean.
If you read the thread at all you'd know about my Asenion read.
And hunger, one of his big three not too long ago is now not only lean town, but strong town read! He's been v/la for most of the week hasn't he?
If you read the thread at all, Hunger has been my town read for quite a while.
Wtf... I guess i was wrong all along.
Experienced town does not selfhammer on this site. It results in people not wanting to play with you anymore.
Tom should know that.
If Tom ends up flipping scum, then it's either a "Hey Tom miscounted, hammer for towniecred" or "extravotes for towniecred!" type of post. If Tom flips town it isn't as bad. Something about the phrasing of "I guess I was wrong all along" just screams fake to me.
Rhand I selfhammered because this day wasn't going to end with anybody else's lynch, I've tried every friggin word in the dictionary to explain why I'm not scum, and yet a few arrogant ********s continue to say "derp derp when the hammer coming derp derp".
If you don't want to play with me any more after this then I'm sorry, but on the bright side I likely won't play much on here anymore anyway.
If Tom ends up flipping scum, then it's either a "Hey Tom miscounted, hammer for towniecred" or "extravotes for towniecred!" type of post. If Tom flips town it isn't as bad. Something about the phrasing of "I guess I was wrong all along" just screams fake to me.
It is less wrong, if Tom flips Town?
I was under the impression lngrrrr was pointing to a bus, given tom basically conceded and it could be a teammate coming In for the towncred.
Given Tom and Rhand have been on similar wagons there is a chance he could be right. Let's see a flip and go from there.
Sneaky, wildfire, you guys still ok with the plan? And asenion make this night a random choice for you, throw some wifom out there for the scum.
Yeah, I'm down with the vanillify plan. If he's actually scum, it forces him to use it on someone who doesn't have an amazing power rather than using it on Asenion (or someone else with a strong town power). If Grizz lied, it outs his lie. If he's town, it keeps him from blind-firing it hoping to catch scum (and more than likely catching town instead). It also makes us both functionally vanilla, which makes us less attractive NK targets, and thus frees Asenion up to protect other people (or wifoms the scum into attacking our weaker roles).
The only thing we lose is a difficult-to-utilize double vote, and for anyone who has an inkling that I'm scum, it helps put their mind at rest.
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If Tom ends up flipping scum, then it's either a "Hey Tom miscounted, hammer for towniecred" or "extravotes for towniecred!" type of post. If Tom flips town it isn't as bad. Something about the phrasing of "I guess I was wrong all along" just screams fake to me.
It is less wrong, if Tom flips Town?
I was under the impression lngrrrr was pointing to a bus, given tom basically conceded and it could be a teammate coming In for the towncred.
Given Tom and Rhand have been on similar wagons there is a chance he could be right. Let's see a flip and go from there.
Sneaky, wildfire, you guys still ok with the plan? And asenion make this night a random choice for you, throw some wifom out there for the scum.
I have a plan to use my ability unless there is a super important reason I need to coordinate with others.
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You're the dude who just lies a lot and makes people hate you and then magically becomes town later, right?
I think it's pretty obnoxious that half the people we ran up today self-voted. Since when is the standard defense to pressure "Woe is me, I guess I'll suicide."
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You're the dude who just lies a lot and makes people hate you and then magically becomes town later, right?
The problem was, Tom, that your defense was not terribly good. You dragged your feet on your claim, which was a big reason you used to pursue Asenion. And when your claim did come, despite talking it up like it was something awesome, the result seemed more like a scum role (Role Cop) than a town one. And when confronted on that, you added vague information to try to sway us otherwise, and then later tried to use the weak possibility of it being an alignment cop as a reason you should definitely 100% live, while also calling on the real alignment cop to come forward.
You jumped at every possibility of a wagon, which furthered everyone's belief that you were being opportunistic. And like your play throughout the game, you didn't make good arguments for those wagons besides "these are the next most popular wagons can we please lynch one of those instead".
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You are Jean Grey, AKA Phoenix. You are a Town Flavor Cop. Your telepathic abilities, enhanced by the Phoenix Force, lets you read the very essence of a person. However, your lack of confidence can often cause you to sabotage your own powers. You could rewrite the very universe to your whims, but your doubt has you shackled to unmasking others.
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Hacking into Mastermold, information regarding a construction facility being erected in Genosha is acquired. What is mutant supremacist Magneto doing with a facility to create mutant hunting robots? The next stop will be the mutant nation-island of Genosha, and so everyone climbs aboard Blackbird. Set to "Autopilot", everyone goes to a bunk to sleep during the long flight.
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You are Katherine Pride, AKA Shadowcat. You are a Mafia 2-Shot Strongman. Shadowcat’s mutant ability was to phase through solid matter, and you’ve had genetic experimentation to allow you to do the same. The ways you can kill your enemies are near countless now. Drag them halfway through a wall, reach through their body and take their heart out, drag them into a fire, you are only limited by your imagination.
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The presence of a Strongman means that we more than likely DO have a defensive role. The fact that he's dead means that either Asenion could self-target or there is indeed a vigilante in the game.
I think the most likely scenario for overnight actions is
>Doc if he exists targeted Asenion
>Asenion self-targeted
>Scarbo Strongarm-targeted Asenion
Also Scarbo was the Digi slot, so it seems like anyone who suspected that was correct.
Also of note, I did not receive any notification that I was targeted by Sneaky's Vanillifier role. This could mean that Grizz lied about his role. It could also mean he got roleblocked by the Mafia, in hopes of us mislynching him in response.
I can prove the lack of vanillification if I get to 3 votes.
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Many possibilities: you could be teammates with Sneaky; you could have been protected from negative abilities; Sneaky could have been roleblocked; Sneaky could have been lying about his role; Sneaky could have targetted someone else; Sneaky could have been redirected to someone else;... ?
Guess we'll have to wait and see if anyone else is vanillified or if Sneaky got roleblocked.
Asenion's role PM seems to show he could only target other players: it literally says 'another player'.
I assume someone else killed Scarbo.
My V/LA starts today, so I can't look at Scarbo interactions any time soon. That should be our top priority right now.
Any volunteers?
Many possibilities: you could be teammates with Sneaky; you could have been protected from negative abilities; Sneaky could have been roleblocked; Sneaky could have been lying about his role; Sneaky could have targetted someone else; Sneaky could have been redirected to someone else;... ?
Guess we'll have to wait and see if anyone else is vanillified or if Sneaky got roleblocked.
Asenion's role PM seems to show he could only target other players: it literally says 'another player'.
I assume someone else killed Scarbo.
My V/LA starts today, so I can't look at Scarbo interactions any time soon. That should be our top priority right now.
Any volunteers?
Let's look at these possibilities:
I'm teammates with Sneaky - Wouldn't it be in our best interest for me to claim his vanillifier had worked then?
Protected from negative abilities - Consensus seemed to be that people wanted this to happen. I don't know who would have decided it shouldn't without saying anything, unless it was scum trying to make Sneaky look bad, in which case it'd effectively be roleblocking. I didn't receive a message about being protected in any way either, but I don't know if that's common when Doc'd or similar.
Sneaky was roleblocked - Seems pretty likely
Sneaky (or rather Grizz) lied about his ability - This is also possible, but Grizz seemed pretty certain he could prove it. Then again, he was also convinced that whoever he used it on would just claim he hadn't and then he'd get lynched, so maybe he was (poorly) setting himself up to cover his own lie.
Sneaky could have targeted someone else - This would pretty much automatically make him the lynch today, so I'd be pretty surprised.
Sneaky Redirected - This is pretty similar to him being roleblocked.
Hmm... you are correct that it specifies "another" player, but it seems awfully coincidental that the guy who almost definitely did the lynching (to avoid the probable doc-block) was the same one that got killed.
I can look into Scarbo tomorrow, but won't have much time today.
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I suspect teammates steered clear when people were pressing that suspicion. Oddly I was actually starting to think Scarbo might be town. He went uber arogant in pushing for toms lynch and Tom was town, coulfnt see scum putting themselves in the spotlight like that to push through a lynch on a guy self destructing.
That's actually the primary reason why I continued to think that slot was scum after swishh replaced in. Arrogant swishh is scum swishh... compare Smalltown and Apocalypse.
I have more to say regarding swishh's D1 play, but first there is something we need to flesh out...
Vote Wildfire
Let's make sure he wasn't vanillified before we proceed.
One flaw I just thought though, is the second vote involuntary? If he still controls whether the 2nd vote goes down or not what's to stop him hiding it?
Because I've openly said I was not vanillified and will take steps to show it.
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One flaw I just thought though, is the second vote involuntary? If he still controls whether the 2nd vote goes down or not what's to stop him hiding it?
This is a fair point... but how often does that happen? I feel fairly confident that every doublevoter I've seen on MTGS has been an involuntary second vote on whatever player they voted. That's how both doublevotes worked in Majora's Mask, was it not?
Also, based on mutliple things from D1, I'm about 90% certain Rhand is scum. V/LA or not, that's where my vote is going after we resolve the double-vote situation.
I had concerns for Rhand day 1 but towards the later stages of the day it felt more like town Rhand. So your confidence on the opinion i would like to discuss further dking, cos as I said yesterday (and with Scarbo flipping scum) you are the other townread I had coming over to toDay.
I will post my thoughts on this by this afternoon. I have some quotes to dig up, but it more-or-less boils down to three things:
1) He was not his usual head-hunter self at all on D1
2) A number of his pushes seemed forced/fake. I have notes on a few specific ones I need to reference.
3) swishh was pushing hard that Tom/Rhand/myself were scum. I'm town, and Tom flipped town. How likely is it that scum!swishh would put three town in that group?
Oh also, Rhand made a post about me that I missed before looking back over the game during night. I'll need to find and quote it, but it read as though he knows my alignment.
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You need to clarify this... do you have the ability to place the second vote wherever you wish?
I'm actually not certain. I will ask TK for some clarification. My Role PM just says that I become a double-voter and my votes must go on the same person.
I had concerns for Rhand day 1 but towards the later stages of the day it felt more like town Rhand. So your confidence on the opinion i would like to discuss further dking, cos as I said yesterday (and with Scarbo flipping scum) you are the other townread I had coming over to toDay.
I will post my thoughts on this by this afternoon. I have some quotes to dig up, but it more-or-less boils down to three things:
1) He was not his usual head-hunter self at all on D1
2) A number of his pushes seemed forced/fake. I have notes on a few specific ones I need to reference.
3) swishh was pushing hard that Tom/Rhand/myself were scum. I'm town, and Tom flipped town. How likely is it that scum!swishh would put three town in that group?
Very interested to see your notes.
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I'm actually not certain. I will ask TK for some clarification. My Role PM just says that I become a double-voter and my votes must go on the same person.
That would indicate that you can't.
Hm. I want full clarity on this. Do us a solid and unvote, then vote Rhand and vote someone else in the same post.
How so?
Tom, now you think I'm scum? I'm not going to argue against Toms lynch anymore. I don't see him anything but town but he keeps putting his foot in his mouth and making it hard to not see him as scum. Go ahead and hammer, won't be coming from me. I'll spend my time time looking at how his wagon went about.
They hate us cause they ain't us.
If you can make an argument that Tom and I are scumbuddies I'd love to see it. His posts read like he knows I'm town.
Seems like a good enough reason to me.
That or he's scum and he knows Tom is town and he doesn't want to be the one to hammer and draw the suspicion.
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AE how is my foot in my mouth, firstly I don't think I'm that flexible and secondly IDK what I could possibly say to convince the others that I'm town.
Scarbo, do we have a deal then? You obviously have nothing to lose since you are so convinced.
That's day 2 talk in any circumstance ever.
Scarbo, your case is not impressive. Why are you so 100% on this? Like not even 99%, but 100%. Your case does not confirm me as scum. You know that. You are a ******* ******** and are miserable to play with.
You *********s.
If I were scum I'd probably have done that earlier, yeah?
But no my lynch is inevitable at this point. And I'm tired of putting up with Scarbo's arrogance/tunneling, and Generic's tunneling. And Asenion.
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Hunger
LT
Rhand
Scarbo (even though he a ******* idiot)
that bread guy
Asenion
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LnGrrrR
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AE
shockwave
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Wildfire
RIP furry blue monster.
Hopefully you *********s learn something from this, about what is alignment indicative and what ******* ISNT
RIP my friend
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If you read the thread, you'd know that I'm the hammer.
Why are you still trying to push my lynch? I'm dead.
If you read the thread at all you'd know about my Asenion read.
If you read the thread at all, Hunger has been my town read for quite a while.
If I'm not dead, I refuse to post until I am, so I am now effectively dead.
GG u lose
Experienced town does not selfhammer on this site. It results in people not wanting to play with you anymore.
Tom should know that.
unvote, vote Tom
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What other wording should I have used?
If you don't want to play with me any more after this then I'm sorry, but on the bright side I likely won't play much on here anymore anyway.
Yeah, I'm down with the vanillify plan. If he's actually scum, it forces him to use it on someone who doesn't have an amazing power rather than using it on Asenion (or someone else with a strong town power). If Grizz lied, it outs his lie. If he's town, it keeps him from blind-firing it hoping to catch scum (and more than likely catching town instead). It also makes us both functionally vanilla, which makes us less attractive NK targets, and thus frees Asenion up to protect other people (or wifoms the scum into attacking our weaker roles).
The only thing we lose is a difficult-to-utilize double vote, and for anyone who has an inkling that I'm scum, it helps put their mind at rest.
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There was no convincing Generic or yourself or scarbo. Literally nothing I could do.
A counterwagon was non existent so I figured I might as well not let this day drag on any longer.
You jumped at every possibility of a wagon, which furthered everyone's belief that you were being opportunistic. And like your play throughout the game, you didn't make good arguments for those wagons besides "these are the next most popular wagons can we please lynch one of those instead".
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Yeh, his last post clearly shows he knows your alignment.
Which also means this is a mislynch?
Wtb lynch scene.
VL/A from 28/2 until 11/3 due to holidays.
I have no idea if I'll have access to WIFI or 3G. If I do, I'll keep my activity up as much as I can.
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Tom (7) - Wildfire393, Wildfire393, Asenion, scarbo, Generic, Shockwave07, Tom
scarbo (2) - LnGrrrR, Archmage Eternal
Wildfire393 (1) - Rhand
Shockwave07 (1) - sneakyhomunculus
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Waking up to the sound of the destination approach alarm, everyone gets up. Well almost everyone. As sneakyhomunculus takes the controls, everyone else heads back to the bunks to gather information. There lay two bodies: scarbo and Asenion. Examining the bodies turns up a lot of data.
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The presence of a Strongman means that we more than likely DO have a defensive role. The fact that he's dead means that either Asenion could self-target or there is indeed a vigilante in the game.
I think the most likely scenario for overnight actions is
>Doc if he exists targeted Asenion
>Asenion self-targeted
>Scarbo Strongarm-targeted Asenion
Also Scarbo was the Digi slot, so it seems like anyone who suspected that was correct.
Also of note, I did not receive any notification that I was targeted by Sneaky's Vanillifier role. This could mean that Grizz lied about his role. It could also mean he got roleblocked by the Mafia, in hopes of us mislynching him in response.
I can prove the lack of vanillification if I get to 3 votes.
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Guess we'll have to wait and see if anyone else is vanillified or if Sneaky got roleblocked.
Asenion's role PM seems to show he could only target other players: it literally says 'another player'.
I assume someone else killed Scarbo.
My V/LA starts today, so I can't look at Scarbo interactions any time soon. That should be our top priority right now.
Any volunteers?
Let's look at these possibilities:
I'm teammates with Sneaky - Wouldn't it be in our best interest for me to claim his vanillifier had worked then?
Protected from negative abilities - Consensus seemed to be that people wanted this to happen. I don't know who would have decided it shouldn't without saying anything, unless it was scum trying to make Sneaky look bad, in which case it'd effectively be roleblocking. I didn't receive a message about being protected in any way either, but I don't know if that's common when Doc'd or similar.
Sneaky was roleblocked - Seems pretty likely
Sneaky (or rather Grizz) lied about his ability - This is also possible, but Grizz seemed pretty certain he could prove it. Then again, he was also convinced that whoever he used it on would just claim he hadn't and then he'd get lynched, so maybe he was (poorly) setting himself up to cover his own lie.
Sneaky could have targeted someone else - This would pretty much automatically make him the lynch today, so I'd be pretty surprised.
Sneaky Redirected - This is pretty similar to him being roleblocked.
Hmm... you are correct that it specifies "another" player, but it seems awfully coincidental that the guy who almost definitely did the lynching (to avoid the probable doc-block) was the same one that got killed.
I can look into Scarbo tomorrow, but won't have much time today.
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That's actually the primary reason why I continued to think that slot was scum after swishh replaced in. Arrogant swishh is scum swishh... compare Smalltown and Apocalypse.
I have more to say regarding swishh's D1 play, but first there is something we need to flesh out...
Vote Wildfire
Let's make sure he wasn't vanillified before we proceed.
I can be the third vote so I can unvote literally immediately.
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Because I've openly said I was not vanillified and will take steps to show it.
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This is a fair point... but how often does that happen? I feel fairly confident that every doublevoter I've seen on MTGS has been an involuntary second vote on whatever player they voted. That's how both doublevotes worked in Majora's Mask, was it not?
Also, based on mutliple things from D1, I'm about 90% certain Rhand is scum. V/LA or not, that's where my vote is going after we resolve the double-vote situation.
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Wildfire393 (2) - dkingsland967, Generic
Not Voting (7) - Shockwave07, sneakyhomunculus, Hunger, Rhand, Archmage Eternal, LnGrrrR, Wildfire393
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Are you confirming that you can control the second vote?
You need to clarify this... do you have the ability to place the second vote wherever you wish?
I will post my thoughts on this by this afternoon. I have some quotes to dig up, but it more-or-less boils down to three things:
1) He was not his usual head-hunter self at all on D1
2) A number of his pushes seemed forced/fake. I have notes on a few specific ones I need to reference.
3) swishh was pushing hard that Tom/Rhand/myself were scum. I'm town, and Tom flipped town. How likely is it that scum!swishh would put three town in that group?
I'm actually not certain. I will ask TK for some clarification. My Role PM just says that I become a double-voter and my votes must go on the same person.
Very interested to see your notes.
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Hypercube! A New EDH Deck Every Week(ish)!
That would indicate that you can't.
Hm. I want full clarity on this. Do us a solid and unvote, then vote Rhand and vote someone else in the same post.