Why are you unvoting? You just listed me as at the bottom of your scum list just a few moments ago? What has changed?
Your vote put him at L-1. I have all intentions of voting him. I have NO intentions of ending Day 1 36 hours in...
Your being Daegan. I thought I was talking to him. And I continued to be confused by this for a full 5 minutes or so after.
There you guys go. You got to see a truly panicked TK. I'm a lot like a chicken with it's head cut off!
Well obviously I'm not voting for myself so I could still work together with you two and try to find scum that I can actually vote for. If you've calcified your thinking and are determined to vote for me than there's not a thing in the world I can do about it, so I should just try to find the real scum, hope I survive and show you that my suspicions were valid.
I will not lie. The whole situation introduced a heaping amount of WIFOM to my thoughts on you.
I mean, you could be confident mafia who suspected that a more veteran player would recognize the situation and back off. Or you could be oblivious mafia. Or you could be oblivious town. Putting myself in each mindset, you're either confident mafia or oblivious town. I'm leaning toward oblivious town. Which I hate because I was SO SURE.
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Tk you said you think rhand is scummy. So have many others.
Why am I a higher priority than rhand?
Because while his posts were aggressive and antagonistic, I recognize that as one way to push other players buttons to see how players react. Your posts did not read that way. And there were times where there seemed to be contradictions between your posts. Like when you had this crazy defeated attitude and declared you were going to lurk, but then didn't.
If you like, I can go back and quote the ones that give me a bad feeling, but it's not going to be today. I've run out of time for big posts like that, and as soon as I'm off work, I'm taking the family to see the great-grandparents, so I won't be back on for anoter... 18 hours maybe?
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I will not lie. The whole situation introduced a heaping amount of WIFOM to my thoughts on you.
I mean, you could be confident mafia who suspected that a more veteran player would recognize the situation and back off. Or you could be oblivious mafia. Or you could be oblivious town. Putting myself in each mindset, you're either confident mafia or oblivious town. I'm leaning toward oblivious town. Which I hate because I was SO SURE.
What is making to lean that way? You just said you are almost certainly voting for me just a few posts ago, now I'm more likely oblivious town. This is actually getting pretty interesting, what makes you change your mind?
Tk you said you think rhand is scummy. So have many others.
Why am I a higher priority than rhand?
Because while his posts were aggressive and antagonistic, I recognize that as one way to push other players buttons to see how players react. Your posts did not read that way. And there were times where there seemed to be contradictions between your posts. Like when you had this crazy defeated attitude and declared you were going to lurk, but then didn't.
If you like, I can go back and quote the ones that give me a bad feeling, but it's not going to be today. I've run out of time for big posts like that, and as soon as I'm off work, I'm taking the family to see the great-grandparents, so I won't be back on for anoter... 18 hours maybe?
I think it was pretty obvious when I said I would lurk that I was trying to get others involved and to stop the bandwagon, non-thinking approach, go back and look again.
As I said, it's thinking about the situation. When I said I was going to vote you, I was still running high on adrenaline of "HOLY **** WE NEARLY ENDED THE DAY!" I was super confident in my read because of that. But as I thought and cooled, things came to mind. First, that would be an EXTREMELY ballsy move to just sit there and be like "Yep I'm totally not self-hammering" because a newbie could come in and do similar to Daegan and vote you. Plus, by self-hammering, you deny us A LOT of information, especially about these players under 10 posts:
RobRoy 7
Voxxicus 6
Hunger 5
7hawk77 5
Archmage Eternal 4
Emocakes 3
Cantripmancer 2
hansanator 1
Cyouni 1
That's exactly a lynch majority there that we'd have next to nothing on. That's a lot of information to deny, which, if one or two of your buddies were in that list, would keep them safer a lot longer. Cyouni, for example, could say "how can you blame me for D1? you guys ended it before I could even come back and add more!". So then I thought "What about oblivious mafia?"
Playing as mafia while oblivious how close you are to dying seems like a really dumb move. If that's true, we'll probably catch you later, because there will be another dumb move like that.
So finally "oblivious town?" Well, that seems more likely. Town do need to be concerned with the votes on them, but less so. And when you think you're on a hot lead, it's easy to see where that tunnel vision would blind you to things like that. Because that's what happened to me. I was so sure on you, I didn't do the count. Makes sense if you were so sure on me, you'd be the same way in regards to yourself.
I ignored "Aware town" because if you're aware, and you're letting yourself get to L-1 without mentioning it, that's just really, really, really dumb. Like dumber than oblivious mafia dumb.
EBP: As for the lurking post, yes, you said all that, but to disengage at all is harmful. I'd say it's far better it jump up and down and yell about it being a bad lynch than to just opt-out. If you argue against a lynch you feel is wrong, you stand a much greater chance of actually stopping the wagon than if you do nothing!
We cannot afford to be neutral on a moving train
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As I said, it's thinking about the situation. When I said I was going to vote you, I was still running high on adrenaline of "HOLY **** WE NEARLY ENDED THE DAY!" I was super confident in my read because of that. But as I thought and cooled, things came to mind. First, that would be an EXTREMELY ballsy move to just sit there and be like "Yep I'm totally not self-hammering" because a newbie could come in and do similar to Daegan and vote you. Plus, by self-hammering, you deny us A LOT of information, especially about these players under 10 posts:
RobRoy 7
Voxxicus 6
Hunger 5
7hawk77 5
Archmage Eternal 4
Emocakes 3
Cantripmancer 2
hansanator 1
Cyouni 1
That's exactly a lynch majority there that we'd have next to nothing on. That's a lot of information to deny, which, if one or two of your buddies were in that list, would keep them safer a lot longer. Cyouni, for example, could say "how can you blame me for D1? you guys ended it before I could even come back and add more!". So then I thought "What about oblivious mafia?"
Playing as mafia while oblivious how close you are to dying seems like a really dumb move. If that's true, we'll probably catch you later, because there will be another dumb move like that.
So finally "oblivious town?" Well, that seems more likely. Town do need to be concerned with the votes on them, but less so. And when you think you're on a hot lead, it's easy to see where that tunnel vision would blind you to things like that. Because that's what happened to me. I was so sure on you, I didn't do the count. Makes sense if you were so sure on me, you'd be the same way in regards to yourself.
I ignored "Aware town" because if you're aware, and you're letting yourself get to L-1 without mentioning it, that's just really, really, really dumb. Like dumber than oblivious mafia dumb.
EBP: As for the lurking post, yes, you said all that, but to disengage at all is harmful. I'd say it's far better it jump up and down and yell about it being a bad lynch than to just opt-out. If you argue against a lynch you feel is wrong, you stand a much greater chance of actually stopping the wagon than if you do nothing!
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The fact of the matter is that we need multiple logical angles to identify scum. I really feel rhand is up to no good. I think that angle needs to be pursued. I think unfortunately I can't afford to vote for greensleeves (even though he's really suspicious)as I don't think I can muster the support, hopefully he slips up somewhere and shows his true colors.
I'm done reacting to UA. He's getting on my nerves with his constant little misreps of me.
@TK: your first post was a bit nervous, but not enough to trip my scumdar.
Your trying to stay funny while there was a serious vote on you does look bad.
Thanks Rhand. That does give insight into your views. I'm going to have to try resetting my mindset and rereading it until I can see this nervousness both you and proph see. Stuck in my own head, as usual.
I'm going to apologize in advance to the town, because being funny during serious moments will likely happen again. I cannot resist when I see something funny.
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Proph calls out TK as scum because his RVS vote(s) are similar to another player's from a previous game. — Don't agree with the logic there.
Generic and Rhand yell at each other a bunch.
Rhand seems very abrasive. — Confident in gut or trying to rattle Generic.
Generic is just as hard to read as always. Haven't been able to peg him prior to Day 3 to date.
UA lives makes a bad first post. — Why bring up Sith? Either overly enjoying the flavor or a scumslip. Could be newbtown or newbscum though.
Dagaen points out Rhand possibly buddying Prophy. — He does make a pretty big flip in tone when addressing Generic and when addressing Prophy. Noted.
Giving up on figuring out this Rhand v Generic thing for the moment. Will likely get more info off reactions from the outside.
RobRoy has a good first post. Engaging people and whatnot. Town lean.
What have we learned? If I had to pick scum out of Generic/Rhand I'd pick Rhand at the moment. I'm not confident in that read at this point, I'd more likely put money on squabbling town. RobRoy, Dagaen and greensleeves give off good vibes. UA lives looks newb, Scum lean.
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UA lives' #63. Logic doesn't jive. AFAIK, paranoia is a towntell, not a scumtell.
Generic gets a bit emotional. I've seen him do this as town and scum though.
I agree with everything in Prophy's #74 save for the TK=scum bit.
Hawk gives an interesting take on the Generic/Rhand saga. Not sure if I agree as I haven't played with Rhand, but the logic is sound though.
UA lives just outright trusts Hawk and jumps on the bandwagon with him? First strong scum read.
/barn all points on Hunger's #81.
First post by UA lives I can wholeheartedly /barn. Post #88.
Voxx appears to have figured out Generic. I would like to see some examples though.
Voxx's posts all make sense. Initial read is town lean.
Cyouni has a mostly mute posting restriction.
Did UA lives just claim neutral? What? Post #98 FTR.
greensleeves is leaning town. Good points for the most part.
I feel like Rhand is pushing stuff too much. I mean, the Voxx comment on Hawk was in no way coaching, but he tries to shoehorn it how he wants. Could just be bad logic, nonetheless slight scum lean on Rhand.
Hawk townslip #116? Unsure.
Cantrip makes a good first post. Town lean.
Hawk, Voxx and Cantrip all make good town leaning entrances. Generic takes a step back, good on him. Clear your head. Rhand is sketchy but still could be town. UA is pretty scummy. Cyouni, use your words.
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Don't like Rhand's response in #126 to Dag's #123.
Don't like UA's #132.
Don't like SirGrizz's entry. Very self-concious. Too much build up on that UA vote. Possibly hesitation to bus a buddy?
Dagaen has some mad town posting skills and has ventured into the blue (by which I mean the t/s list in my brain).
I disagree with Prophy's stance on the UA wagon. He deserves those votes.
UA's evasion of greensleeves' questions looks terrible for him. On top of everything else, I'm convinced. 10/10 would vote.
AE enters with the always reliable scumtell of having the username "Archmage Eternal". Seriously though, meh entrance. Neutral.
Players that previously made sense, make sense. Players that read as scum still read as scum. More of the same mostly.
This was a decidedly less eventful page. Falling asleep here. Not liking SirGrizz or Rhand. Liking Dag/greensleeves/RobRoy more. AE = null.
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I get this deja vu feeling whenever UA posts. Like he's regurgitating things used against him. In #182 he does it to greensleeves about question evasion.
Oh jeez. Ridiculously hypocritical statement in #183. Like people forgot who initially brought up "Sith = mafia".
UA being self-conscious about votes on him. More scum behavior.
The hypocrisy in UA's posts is laughable. Calls out SirGrizz for disappearing, then is shocked when the same is said about him?
+town for Prophy. Still don't see the TK thing, but then again TK hasn't posted enough to confirm/deny to me Prophy's scum read.
UA continues to avoid questions.
I disagree with point 1 in Cantrip's #213. It's null and can be faked easily.
TK's post tells me nothing about him other than he enjoys a good laugh and long walks on Hoth.
Whoa, what? UA lives allofasudden goes crazy on TK.
Whoa, what? That T/S list is all kinds of horrible. For one, I shouldn't be blue what with my 2 RVS posts.
Lol @#224. I think I want to keep TK around. He's good for a laugh. If we decide we think he's scum we can save him for later yes?
Lol @#231. Dag is for defs town.
Wait, maybe not. Bad L-1 vote is bad.
Hm. UA was clearly online and active while at L-1. Maybe he is newb town?
Dag redeems himself some. Still a horrid vote though.
TK seems town.
and he likes System of a Down.
Feels like TK and UA are getting a bit too friendly here. If he's your #1 scumread. Why are you so casual with him?
More of the same really. It's hard for me to see anything more than scum UA posts at this point. TK and Dag both felt town initially but try to pull 180s on this page. They don't quite get there and are just kinda hovering at 90 degrees.
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So the new argument is that on day one I'm throwing rhand under the bus and claiming he's mafia ever though he's on my team??? What incentive do we have to give ourselves away and make people vote us off? This should be good....
I am just curious but where did this come from, please quote you throwing Rhand under the bus? And wait throwing someone under the bus means yor are throwing a ally under to take the fall for your mistakes? Scum to me, Im already pretty sure UA is scum but this is starting to solidfy Rhand to me.
unvote- As TK has mentioned I really wouldnt like to see Day 1 get over so quickly and there is alot of people not participating and I would hate for them to come and vote UA and end the day. So I am pretty sure UA is scum but still unvote for the sake of it.
Very glad I could see alot more of TK, what I have seen seems very town to me.
Proph your dislike for my posts is understandable but I am confused as to why you didnt bring it up sooner?
Emo, considering that the 2 posts you have had after your RVS I really cannot get a read on you, the fact that the low post count is making me lean towards scum while the 2nd post goes into quite detail explaining your thoughts to make up the lack of posting, I am gonna say neutral for now.
Asking for a claim is really against town priorities. A lot of people do it but it's not useful. Ask yourself, what could I claim that you would be willing to change your mind? On the other hand if you are scum you can try to get additional information out of me.
Hello everyone! Glad to be here! How are all of you?
I will be skimming Emo's catchup just to get a feel for the game, then catching up when I have time.
Before I get started, are there specific details I should know about? Replacing into Hans slot scares me, knowing his "gambits" far too often end up making everyone angry at him.
Asking for a claim is really against town priorities. A lot of people do it but it's not useful. Ask yourself, what could I claim that you would be willing to change your mind? On the other hand if you are scum you can try to get additional information out of me.
It's standard protocol for a person at L-2 to claim.
Asking what you could claim that would make me think you're town is really against town priorities. You should just claim your role.
You haven't been willing to consider anyone else as scum this entire day. You also know that I consider you scum. Getting lynched isn't a good reason to give scum additional information. If town ends up mistakenly lynching me because I made a few posts they didn't feel comfortable with than there's nothing I can do about it.
But one thing I know for a fact is that you've been dead set on voting for me since the beginning and you're the last person that should be eliciting a role claim from me.
If you had any doubt in your mind that I was mafia you should have been discussing that with me, instead you let a wagon against me.
My theory on UA vote is that he was playing the Throwing Rhand under the bus card yet he was voting for TK...Still waiting to see the quotes on how you were throwing Rhand under the bus?
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hans other than the first couple of pages hasnt been active so I dont think you have much to worry about
Asking for a claim is really against town priorities. A lot of people do it but it's not useful. Ask yourself, what could I claim that you would be willing to change your mind? On the other hand if you are scum you can try to get additional information out of me.
It's standard protocol for a person at L-2 to claim.
Asking what you could claim that would make me think you're town is really against town priorities. You should just claim your role.
It's actually not standard protocol. It's considered an inferior method and it doesn't likely help the town in any way. It's an effective way for scum to squeeze extra value out of a lynch. You may want to try other forums at some point to see that most people don't like claims and in many games it's actually disallowed to ask for a claim.
Hello everyone! Glad to be here! How are all of you?
I will be skimming Emo's catchup just to get a feel for the game, then catching up when I have time.
Before I get started, are there specific details I should know about? Replacing into Hans slot scares me, knowing his "gambits" far too often end up making everyone angry at him.
He only made one post. You're as good as new.
Notable things that have happened:
The Rhand/Generic debacle.
Proph's eagerness re: TK-421.
The fact that UA lives is scum and can't do anything except ask why people are voting him.
Hello everyone! Glad to be here! How are all of you?
I will be skimming Emo's catchup just to get a feel for the game, then catching up when I have time.
Before I get started, are there specific details I should know about? Replacing into Hans slot scares me, knowing his "gambits" far too often end up making everyone angry at him.
He only made one post. You're as good as new.
Notable things that have happened:
The Rhand/Generic debacle.
Proph's eagerness re: TK-421.
The fact that UA lives is scum and can't do anything except ask why people are voting him.
I'm done responding to greensleeves. He is playing as scum newb here and forcing a lynch. Nothing good can come out of me going around his circular logic any longer.
Considering that no one is willing to bring forward any other candidates as scum leads me to believe that scum is forcing this wagon on me. Any town out there that's going to actually consider other lines of play?
The fact that UA lives is scum and can't do anything except ask why people are voting him.
and try to drag me down with him
Present some more candidates that we can discuss. Even if I think you're scum I'm still willing to see what you have to say about others. We agree to disagree on generic, other than that, have any solid feelings?
Wouldnt mind seeing the Answer to Hawks question pointed @Cyouni
Rhand if you wouldnt mind telling me how is UA pulling you down? You both keep going back and forth saying that UA is throwing you under the bus I just do not see that
Once again UA Lives sulking is not a good defense, maybe start asking questions of other people?
@Emo what exactly leans scum in my favor? I am curious if I can convince you otherwise
Wouldnt mind seeing the Answer to Hawks question pointed @Cyouni
Rhand if you wouldnt mind telling me how is UA pulling you down? You both keep going back and forth saying that UA is throwing you under the bus I just do not see that
Once again UA Lives sulking is not a good defense, maybe start asking questions of other people?
@Emo what exactly leans scum in my favor? I am curious if I can convince you otherwise
I haven't sulked. Are you referring to me being done with greensleeves witchhunt? rhand said a similar thing about me, I don't see you telling him anything.
You can't go and deny us insight in your meta and then use that meta as an excuse to play scummy.
@proph: What do you think of my Voxx case?
I want to hear more from Voxx, as he's probably my number one player to determine the alignment of. If he's town we will solve this game together easily, and if he's scum, I want him dead soon before he mislynches me at lylo
TK is still focused on defense with his RVS tell.
@Dagaen: Remember in FM 19, where I caught Sarevok based off of his two first posts?
This is exactly like this.
Also, we put players at L-2 here and ask them to claim. Self-hammering is allowed.
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Proph your dislike for my posts is understandable but I am confused as to why you didnt bring it up sooner?
Here's more of that "I understand why you're accusing me!" thing.
Asking for a claim is really against town priorities. A lot of people do it but it's not useful. Ask yourself, what could I claim that you would be willing to change your mind? On the other hand if you are scum you can try to get additional information out of me.
With this I am no longer comfortable with a UA lynch, with TK >>> 100% in the bag.
I cannot shake my gut feeling that this UA is low hanging fruit.
The fact that UA lives is scum and can't do anything except ask why people are voting him.
and try to drag me down with him
Present some more candidates that we can discuss. Even if I think you're scum I'm still willing to see what you have to say about others. We agree to disagree on generic, other than that, have any solid feelings?
I have made a case on Voxx.
And we don't "agree to disagree on Generic". You decided that one of us two must be scum and you chose me.
Rhand if you wouldnt mind telling me how is UA pulling you down? You both keep going back and forth saying that UA is throwing you under the bus I just do not see that
He started talking about bussing, which means he wants me to get lynched next after he flips scum, which I strongly believe he will.
Proph your dislike for my posts is understandable but I am confused as to why you didnt bring it up sooner?
Here's more of that "I understand why you're accusing me!" thing.
well yes I made mistakes due to the eagerness of playing my first ever mafia game, I understand why you find that troublesome and I will not challenge that, this is my first ever game and I have made that excuse, If you wish to ignore it that is your choice. Why didnt you bring it up sooner though, instead you buddy Dagean & UA lives trying take peoples focus off of them.
Asking for a claim is really against town priorities. A lot of people do it but it's not useful. Ask yourself, what could I claim that you would be willing to change your mind? On the other hand if you are scum you can try to get additional information out of me.
With this I am no longer comfortable with a UA lynch, with TK >>> 100% in the bag.
I cannot shake my gut feeling that this UA is low hanging fruit.
Just like this again, you may not be comfortable with it but you havent been comfortable with it since the beginning which makes me believe you are trying to help a fellow scum survive.
Proph your dislike for my posts is understandable but I am confused as to why you didnt bring it up sooner?
Here's more of that "I understand why you're accusing me!" thing.
well yes I made mistakes due to the eagerness of playing my first ever mafia game, I understand why you find that troublesome and I will not challenge that, this is my first ever game and I have made that excuse, If you wish to ignore it that is your choice. Why didnt you bring it up sooner though, instead you buddy Dagean & UA lives trying take peoples focus off of them.
Asking for a claim is really against town priorities. A lot of people do it but it's not useful. Ask yourself, what could I claim that you would be willing to change your mind? On the other hand if you are scum you can try to get additional information out of me.
With this I am no longer comfortable with a UA lynch, with TK >>> 100% in the bag.
I cannot shake my gut feeling that this UA is low hanging fruit.
Just like this again, you may not be comfortable with it but you havent been comfortable with it since the beginning which makes me believe you are trying to help a fellow scum survive.
HA anyone that doesn't think I'm scum IS scum. Nice confirmation bias you got there buddy!
Asking for a claim is really against town priorities. A lot of people do it but it's not useful. Ask yourself, what could I claim that you would be willing to change your mind? On the other hand if you are scum you can try to get additional information out of me.
It's standard protocol for a person at L-2 to claim.
Asking what you could claim that would make me think you're town is really against town priorities. You should just claim your role.
It's actually not standard protocol. It's considered an inferior method and it doesn't likely help the town in any way. It's an effective way for scum to squeeze extra value out of a lynch. You may want to try other forums at some point to see that most people don't like claims and in many games it's actually disallowed to ask for a claim.
What do you guys think about this? Want to play the game lynching people sans claim?
If he's smart he just will remain silent. In this group being silent somehow makes you safe. in most other groups people put their votes on the silent people and force them to either participate or be out of the game. The theory being is that if they are town and not participating than they aren't useful anyway. Likely that they are scum.
I have read about bussing but I am still unsure what it is, Rhands explaination seems pretty clear.
I am at work and playing so there will be times inbetween my posts, if you ask me something and I dont get back to you right away Its cause I am with a client, No matter what I will get back to what you ask
If he's smart he just will remain silent. In this group being silent somehow makes you safe. in most other groups people put their votes on the silent people and force them to either participate or be out of the game. The theory being is that if they are town and not participating than they aren't useful anyway. Likely that they are scum.
This is a valid point
Vote:Cyouni the lack of activity makes me want to see some posts, maybe a answer to Hawks question.
If he's smart he just will remain silent. In this group being silent somehow makes you safe. in most other groups people put their votes on the silent people and force them to either participate or be out of the game. The theory being is that if they are town and not participating than they aren't useful anyway. Likely that they are scum.
This is a valid point
Vote:Cyouni the lack of activity makes me want to see some posts, maybe a answer to Hawks question.
I think you have to unvote me before you can vote for another player.
If he's smart he just will remain silent. In this group being silent somehow makes you safe. in most other groups people put their votes on the silent people and force them to either participate or be out of the game. The theory being is that if they are town and not participating than they aren't useful anyway. Likely that they are scum.
I didnt want to say anything, I kind of wanted to play that card later. Glad I wasnt the only one saw that.
Why wouldn't you want to say anything? That doesn't make any sense. If you think something is suspicious than you usually will always say something, especially if that person is close to getting wagoned by gsleeves witchhunt.
Your vote put him at L-1. I have all intentions of voting him. I have NO intentions of ending Day 1 36 hours in...
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Your being Daegan. I thought I was talking to him. And I continued to be confused by this for a full 5 minutes or so after.
There you guys go. You got to see a truly panicked TK. I'm a lot like a chicken with it's head cut off!
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Well obviously I'm not voting for myself so I could still work together with you two and try to find scum that I can actually vote for. If you've calcified your thinking and are determined to vote for me than there's not a thing in the world I can do about it, so I should just try to find the real scum, hope I survive and show you that my suspicions were valid.
Why am I a higher priority than rhand?
I mean, you could be confident mafia who suspected that a more veteran player would recognize the situation and back off. Or you could be oblivious mafia. Or you could be oblivious town. Putting myself in each mindset, you're either confident mafia or oblivious town. I'm leaning toward oblivious town. Which I hate because I was SO SURE.
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Because while his posts were aggressive and antagonistic, I recognize that as one way to push other players buttons to see how players react. Your posts did not read that way. And there were times where there seemed to be contradictions between your posts. Like when you had this crazy defeated attitude and declared you were going to lurk, but then didn't.
If you like, I can go back and quote the ones that give me a bad feeling, but it's not going to be today. I've run out of time for big posts like that, and as soon as I'm off work, I'm taking the family to see the great-grandparents, so I won't be back on for anoter... 18 hours maybe?
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What is making to lean that way? You just said you are almost certainly voting for me just a few posts ago, now I'm more likely oblivious town. This is actually getting pretty interesting, what makes you change your mind?
I think it was pretty obvious when I said I would lurk that I was trying to get others involved and to stop the bandwagon, non-thinking approach, go back and look again.
RobRoy 7
Voxxicus 6
Hunger 5
7hawk77 5
Archmage Eternal 4
Emocakes 3
Cantripmancer 2
hansanator 1
Cyouni 1
That's exactly a lynch majority there that we'd have next to nothing on. That's a lot of information to deny, which, if one or two of your buddies were in that list, would keep them safer a lot longer. Cyouni, for example, could say "how can you blame me for D1? you guys ended it before I could even come back and add more!". So then I thought "What about oblivious mafia?"
Playing as mafia while oblivious how close you are to dying seems like a really dumb move. If that's true, we'll probably catch you later, because there will be another dumb move like that.
So finally "oblivious town?" Well, that seems more likely. Town do need to be concerned with the votes on them, but less so. And when you think you're on a hot lead, it's easy to see where that tunnel vision would blind you to things like that. Because that's what happened to me. I was so sure on you, I didn't do the count. Makes sense if you were so sure on me, you'd be the same way in regards to yourself.
I ignored "Aware town" because if you're aware, and you're letting yourself get to L-1 without mentioning it, that's just really, really, really dumb. Like dumber than oblivious mafia dumb.
EBP: As for the lurking post, yes, you said all that, but to disengage at all is harmful. I'd say it's far better it jump up and down and yell about it being a bad lynch than to just opt-out. If you argue against a lynch you feel is wrong, you stand a much greater chance of actually stopping the wagon than if you do nothing!
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The fact of the matter is that we need multiple logical angles to identify scum. I really feel rhand is up to no good. I think that angle needs to be pursued. I think unfortunately I can't afford to vote for greensleeves (even though he's really suspicious)as I don't think I can muster the support, hopefully he slips up somewhere and shows his true colors.
@TK: your first post was a bit nervous, but not enough to trip my scumdar.
Your trying to stay funny while there was a serious vote on you does look bad.
I'm going to apologize in advance to the town, because being funny during serious moments will likely happen again. I cannot resist when I see something funny.
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@Cyouni
Pretend you had a day cop and a day vig shot but you had to use it immediately, who would you pick and why?
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7Hawk77
greensleeves
Lean
Hunger
RobRoy
Voxxicus
Null
Cyouni
Cantripmancer
Archmage Eternal
Generic
TK-421 (leaning both ways)
Dagaen (leaning both ways)
Lean
SirGrizz
Rhand
Prophylaxis
hansanator
Scum
UA lives
With that, I disappear off into the clouds again. Hopefully this thing won't blow up again while I'm away.
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Official Vote Count
Players needed to lynch: 9
Rhand - 2 - Generic, 7Hawk77 - (L-7)
TK-421 - 3 - Prophylaxis, Voxxicus, UA lives - (L-6)
UA lives - 7 - Cyouni, Hunger, Greensleeves, Cantripmancer, SirGrizz, RobRoy, Dagaen - (L-2)
Voxxicus - 2 - Rhand, Archmage Eternal - (L-7)
Players not voting: Emocakes, hansanator, TK-421
I am just curious but where did this come from, please quote you throwing Rhand under the bus? And wait throwing someone under the bus means yor are throwing a ally under to take the fall for your mistakes? Scum to me, Im already pretty sure UA is scum but this is starting to solidfy Rhand to me.
unvote- As TK has mentioned I really wouldnt like to see Day 1 get over so quickly and there is alot of people not participating and I would hate for them to come and vote UA and end the day. So I am pretty sure UA is scum but still unvote for the sake of it.
Very glad I could see alot more of TK, what I have seen seems very town to me.
Proph your dislike for my posts is understandable but I am confused as to why you didnt bring it up sooner?
Emo, considering that the 2 posts you have had after your RVS I really cannot get a read on you, the fact that the low post count is making me lean towards scum while the 2nd post goes into quite detail explaining your thoughts to make up the lack of posting, I am gonna say neutral for now.
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Asking for a claim is really against town priorities. A lot of people do it but it's not useful. Ask yourself, what could I claim that you would be willing to change your mind? On the other hand if you are scum you can try to get additional information out of me.
I will be skimming Emo's catchup just to get a feel for the game, then catching up when I have time.
Before I get started, are there specific details I should know about? Replacing into Hans slot scares me, knowing his "gambits" far too often end up making everyone angry at him.
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lmbo wut?
It's standard protocol for a person at L-2 to claim.
Asking what you could claim that would make me think you're town is really against town priorities. You should just claim your role.
You haven't been willing to consider anyone else as scum this entire day. You also know that I consider you scum. Getting lynched isn't a good reason to give scum additional information. If town ends up mistakenly lynching me because I made a few posts they didn't feel comfortable with than there's nothing I can do about it.
But one thing I know for a fact is that you've been dead set on voting for me since the beginning and you're the last person that should be eliciting a role claim from me.
If you had any doubt in your mind that I was mafia you should have been discussing that with me, instead you let a wagon against me.
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hans other than the first couple of pages hasnt been active so I dont think you have much to worry about
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It's actually not standard protocol. It's considered an inferior method and it doesn't likely help the town in any way. It's an effective way for scum to squeeze extra value out of a lynch. You may want to try other forums at some point to see that most people don't like claims and in many games it's actually disallowed to ask for a claim.
He only made one post. You're as good as new.
Notable things that have happened:
The Rhand/Generic debacle.
Proph's eagerness re: TK-421.
The fact that UA lives is scum and can't do anything except ask why people are voting him.
and try to drag me down with him
I'm done responding to greensleeves. He is playing as scum newb here and forcing a lynch. Nothing good can come out of me going around his circular logic any longer.
Considering that no one is willing to bring forward any other candidates as scum leads me to believe that scum is forcing this wagon on me. Any town out there that's going to actually consider other lines of play?
Present some more candidates that we can discuss. Even if I think you're scum I'm still willing to see what you have to say about others. We agree to disagree on generic, other than that, have any solid feelings?
Rhand if you wouldnt mind telling me how is UA pulling you down? You both keep going back and forth saying that UA is throwing you under the bus I just do not see that
Once again UA Lives sulking is not a good defense, maybe start asking questions of other people?
@Emo what exactly leans scum in my favor? I am curious if I can convince you otherwise
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I haven't sulked. Are you referring to me being done with greensleeves witchhunt? rhand said a similar thing about me, I don't see you telling him anything.
I want to hear more from Voxx, as he's probably my number one player to determine the alignment of. If he's town we will solve this game together easily, and if he's scum, I want him dead soon before he mislynches me at lylo
TK is still focused on defense with his RVS tell.
@Dagaen: Remember in FM 19, where I caught Sarevok based off of his two first posts?
This is exactly like this.
Also, we put players at L-2 here and ask them to claim. Self-hammering is allowed.
Here's more of that "I understand why you're accusing me!" thing.
Yes, please town up your slot. I have no strong town analysts in the leaning town pile yet.
With this I am no longer comfortable with a UA lynch, with TK >>> 100% in the bag.
I cannot shake my gut feeling that this UA is low hanging fruit.
I have made a case on Voxx.
And we don't "agree to disagree on Generic". You decided that one of us two must be scum and you chose me.
He started talking about bussing, which means he wants me to get lynched next after he flips scum, which I strongly believe he will.
well yes I made mistakes due to the eagerness of playing my first ever mafia game, I understand why you find that troublesome and I will not challenge that, this is my first ever game and I have made that excuse, If you wish to ignore it that is your choice. Why didnt you bring it up sooner though, instead you buddy Dagean & UA lives trying take peoples focus off of them.
Just like this again, you may not be comfortable with it but you havent been comfortable with it since the beginning which makes me believe you are trying to help a fellow scum survive.
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HA anyone that doesn't think I'm scum IS scum. Nice confirmation bias you got there buddy!
What do you guys think about this? Want to play the game lynching people sans claim?
I didn't bring it up sooner because I was mobile posting at that time and could not make large posts.
Have you heard of bussing?
I want Voxx to react to the case first.
(he probably will just ignore it, jussayin)
If he's smart he just will remain silent. In this group being silent somehow makes you safe. in most other groups people put their votes on the silent people and force them to either participate or be out of the game. The theory being is that if they are town and not participating than they aren't useful anyway. Likely that they are scum.
I have read about bussing but I am still unsure what it is, Rhands explaination seems pretty clear.
I am at work and playing so there will be times inbetween my posts, if you ask me something and I dont get back to you right away Its cause I am with a client, No matter what I will get back to what you ask
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This is a valid point
Vote:Cyouni the lack of activity makes me want to see some posts, maybe a answer to Hawks question.
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I think you have to unvote me before you can vote for another player.
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Then why aren't YOU voting for Cyouni?
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Why wouldn't you want to say anything? That doesn't make any sense. If you think something is suspicious than you usually will always say something, especially if that person is close to getting wagoned by gsleeves witchhunt.