What's this about? (Interestingly Bigtraine obeyed - next two posts were questions.)
I didn't like the way Bigtraine played the noob card in post 48, so I poked him. Looking back, I'm not fond of his questions either, as one asks about Azuriae's meta and the other asks about AG's reference. I get the feeling that he's trying to avoid anything potentially controversial.
Please explain how this makes him scum and don't say "because there were words in it" because I will vote you because you've posted words
There were (read this carefully-) lots of words in his RVS posts. It's a trend I've noticed among scum during RVS, along with voting scum buddies.
1. irrelevant. The words themselves were not a factor in my vote.
2. Because the things we do during RVS are things we do. Our alignments don't change when RVS is over. In fact, and this may blow your mind, RVS is an artificial construct of the game.
You were voting me because I had words in my posts, yet what the words were didn't influence your vote at all?
I really don't understand the logic here.
I'll rephrase, what was it about my post that caused you to vote me?
Yes, I agree that RVS is an artificial construct. Without it, we would sit around waiting for someone to do something until the game was called off due to inactivity. But RVS is only the beginning.
My point was, why were you choosing to focus only on one of my posts, and ignoring everything else since then? You haven't made a reference to any of my other posts yet.
Wow you still refuse to read carefully don't you? I voted you because there were (OPERATIVE WORD INCOMING) LOTS of words in your RVS posts. I think this is the third time I've stated the exact same thing.
I have absolutely most certainly referenced your posts beyond RVS. I said that you were exhibiting highly odd behavior.
You seem extremely concerned about my opinion of you.
Do you believe that "lots" of words in an RVS post makes it inherently scummy? Do scum break out of RVS more often than town?
I guess I should be more explicit in that question. Why do you believe scum make longer posts in RVS? What do they do with such posting that town do not?
He may be pretty annoying at the moment but I don't want to see anyone facing such an early force into a claim.
Let's take a step back here and see the motives and timings of these votes ( mine included).
Nope, not seeing the parallel. Could you show me the post where Generic voted for himself, declared that the wagon was moving too quickly, unvoted, and said that one of the three people on the wagon was definitely scum?
Your sarcastic attitude is far more self-conscious and defensive than what I've seen from you previously. It's not a good thing.
Incredibly dismissive in the first paragraph. The second paragraph is almost textbook scum reasoning. This style of argument comes when scum try to fabricate a meta argument. He makes no actual statements and instead just says "you are different". That he followed it up this textbook scum argument with "It's not a good thing" is very suspect as well. He's not calling DJ scum, he's calling this supposed attitude difference "not good" rather than scummy. He's throwing mud at DJ for poor reasons and refuses to state his stance on DJ.
@anyone who has an issue with my vote on joey: why? his behavior has been highly odd. admittedly I haven't put much effort into this game yet as I'm more invested in an about-to-end GIP. but by all means keep the concern coming. it will provide some useful information after some flips.
I'd say there's a 35% chance he's scum compared to the baseline 27% chance. Now answer my question.
Why did you feel the need to use numbers, and where did "35%" come from?
Throwing in numbers as justification usually comes from scum, as hawk might remember. Fulcrum again refuses to call DJ "town" or "scum". He uses numbers to cover up this reluctance. Refer back to post 27, where Fulcrum is much more aggressive towards DJ than "35%" but had similar issues with stating a position.
What's this about? (Interestingly Bigtraine obeyed - next two posts were questions.)
I didn't like the way Bigtraine played the noob card in post 48, so I poked him. Looking back, I'm not fond of his questions either, as one asks about Azuriae's meta and the other asks about AG's reference. I get the feeling that he's trying to avoid anything potentially controversial.
Vote Bigtraine
Fairly jumpy in his votes. Remember that he still has DJ as "35%" scum.
Hawk's point about fulcrum and Bigtraine may have merit, but I find fulcrum's inconsistent stance on DJ much more indicative of a scum mindset. He won't establish a stance and his tone disagrees with what little he does say about DJ.
There are several folks we haven't heard much from. I would like to hear more from Kosa, Storyteller, Condoms and Explosive Force.
@Storyteller - You voted for Swishh because you thought he was dodging your questions. Do you still feel that way? You also said that you thought Joey was probably scum (post 47) but are voting for Swishh anyway - why is that?
@Kosa - What are your thoughts to this point? You've had a little bantering with Hawk and a vote/unvote on Azuriae based on setup discussions.
Condoms - was your quasi-vote for Swishh a late RVS joke or was it serious?
Expllosive Force - What are your thoughts? Who are your leading scum candidates?
@Storyteller - You voted for Swishh because you thought he was dodging your questions. Do you still feel that way? You also said that you thought Joey was probably scum (post 47) but are voting for Swishh anyway - why is that?
Still iffy on him. You don't often see such unwillingness to divulge your reasoning as town... is what I'd like to say, but I know more than a few veterans who flat out refuse to answer questions as town, as well, so I can't really chase him for that anymore.
Is it so bad that I have more than one suspect?
I'm going to be pretty busy with end of term at college and whatnot,
so probably won't be around for a bit.
I've been reading because that's all I can do right now. I'm kind of sick with a terrible throat infection and it's messing me up.
Um scum candidates are swishh, fulcrum, and someone else who I haven't decided on yet, because Im haven't been properly reading. Swishh because it took him a long time just to justify his point, which reads "Oh I was oppurtunistic scum I've been caught, let's make some excuse and then concentrate on Bigtraine for a silly reason - I do distinctly remember in past games that everyone unvotes because RVS is over. . Fulcrum because he unvoted swishh for the silliest reason and that's all I can remember. I did see AG's post and I'm aware I might be kind of barning him.
Oh yeah, and Kosa, though that's changing . Kosa because I don't trust his response to 7hawk77. But his nex few posts were OK, so I'm not 100% sure on I need to reread eventually.
Why are you bored, Drey?
If we're quicklynching someone, it should be Misting for outing hinself.
I have my eye on Nyxu too, highest poster by far, could be covering for lurking scumbuddies. Could be cop. We don't know yet.
Alternatively, Bebo, Lord Mcdonalds, and popsucker lurking scumteam?
Does this answer your questions?
Wow, that's uncanny...
I dont' know if Misting did that intentionally or what, but I've yet to see the correlation between the two, as well as the relevance to this game.
As for answering questions, not really.
It answers why you expected me to recognize this, although that game was over a year ago... and your quote was from a completely different game.
What it doesn't answer is it's relevance, and what point you are trying to make.
Um scum candidates are swishh, fulcrum, and someone else who I haven't decided on yet, because Im haven't been properly reading. Swishh because it took him a long time just to justify his point, which reads "Oh I was oppurtunistic scum I've been caught, let's make some excuse and then concentrate on Bigtraine for a silly reason - I do distinctly remember in past games that everyone unvotes because RVS is over. . Fulcrum because he unvoted swishh for the silliest reason and that's all I can remember. I did see AG's post and I'm aware I might be kind of barning him.
Oh yeah, and Kosa, though that's changing . Kosa because I don't trust his response to 7hawk77. But his nex few posts were OK, so I'm not 100% sure on I need to reread eventually.
Do you think it's possible for fulcrum and swishh to be scum together?
Which is more likely to be scum in your opinion?
And since you were indignant when I didn't ask you about your experience, what's your previous level of experience?
It's fine if you are all busy this weekend for Thanksgiving and Black Friday. I too will be celebrating with family. Once again, I will not be starting the prod counter til December (likely 2nd) for the holiday.
Do you think it's possible for fulcrum and swishh to be scum together?
Which is more likely to be scum in your opinion?
And since you were indignant when I didn't ask you about your experience, what's your previous level of experience?
Yes, I thought that whole weak unvote vote from fulcrum off swishh indicates weak bussing to take suspicion away from swishh.
If I was going to choose who was more scum, it would probably be swishh. At an outside chance swishh is just fairly dense town (but Occam's Razor) while fulcrum's unvote on swishh to the next vote on, Bigtraine for weaker reasons than swishh, could be seen as throwing suspicion on every person he can so that he can net a mislynch on everyone later. But they're probably both scum anyways.
This(second thread) is an example of a town game, while this is an example of a scum game. yeah handle is ownedbyasmartbomb. Similar to the former Azuriae's meta, it's 48 hour day phases, 24 hour night phases, fluff on the first day, etc etc.
Frankly I'm sick of discussing this. what's interesting is that there are certain individuals who, while not willing to call you town, are displeased that I'm voting you. One possible interpretation of this data is they aforementioned individuals know that we're both and are using my attack on you as leverage against me.
Could you elaborate on this? Which individuals specifically?
mainly fulcrum and storyteller
What makes you think storyteller and I were displeased with your vote? I was just irritated by your previous refusal to give your reasoning.
Nope, not seeing the parallel. Could you show me the post where Generic voted for himself, declared that the wagon was moving too quickly, unvoted, and said that one of the three people on the wagon was definitely scum?
Your sarcastic attitude is far more self-conscious and defensive than what I've seen from you previously. It's not a good thing.
Incredibly dismissive in the first paragraph. The second paragraph is almost textbook scum reasoning. This style of argument comes when scum try to fabricate a meta argument. He makes no actual statements and instead just says "you are different". That he followed it up this textbook scum argument with "It's not a good thing" is very suspect as well. He's not calling DJ scum, he's calling this supposed attitude difference "not good" rather than scummy. He's throwing mud at DJ for poor reasons and refuses to state his stance on DJ.
Do you think being dismissive is a sign of scum?
I said Joey is different because he is different. It’s a bit scummy, but not enough so for me to continue to pressure it.
After he attacks DJ, he goes back to swishh. He doesn't actually believe that DJ is scum, he just wanted to attack him.
Mhmm. It's called pressure. I do it when I don't have a solid read on someone to get a better read on them. I also do it when I have a solid scum read on someone to convince everyone else that they're scum.
I didn't like the way Bigtraine played the noob card in post 48, so I poked him. Looking back, I'm not fond of his questions either, as one asks about Azuriae's meta and the other asks about AG's reference. I get the feeling that he's trying to avoid anything potentially controversial.
Vote Bigtraine
Yeah, I get it. I struggled early Day 1 in WWII mafia too. It wasn't until the Void wagon that I really felt good about a vote there. Ironically, that was one of the areas I wanted to improve on in my second game, but haven't done so. I think I'll do later in the day when there is more to work with.
No. In WWII you came in, asked relevant questions, and gave opinions on issues. You've done approximately none of that here, with the exception of post 61 and that was just a barn of storyteller's and my own pressure on swishh.
There are several folks we haven't heard much from. I would like to hear more from Kosa, Storyteller, Condoms and Explosive Force.
@Storyteller - You voted for Swishh because you thought he was dodging your questions. Do you still feel that way? You also said that you thought Joey was probably scum (post 47) but are voting for Swishh anyway - why is that?
@Kosa - What are your thoughts to this point? You've had a little bantering with Hawk and a vote/unvote on Azuriae based on setup discussions.
Condoms - was your quasi-vote for Swishh a late RVS joke or was it serious?
Expllosive Force - What are your thoughts? Who are your leading scum candidates?
Though I do find it interesting that this came after I called you out and that the only remotely good question was the first one.
Nope, not seeing the parallel. Could you show me the post where Generic voted for himself, declared that the wagon was moving too quickly, unvoted, and said that one of the three people on the wagon was definitely scum?
Your sarcastic attitude is far more self-conscious and defensive than what I've seen from you previously. It's not a good thing.
Incredibly dismissive in the first paragraph. The second paragraph is almost textbook scum reasoning. This style of argument comes when scum try to fabricate a meta argument. He makes no actual statements and instead just says "you are different". That he followed it up this textbook scum argument with "It's not a good thing" is very suspect as well. He's not calling DJ scum, he's calling this supposed attitude difference "not good" rather than scummy. He's throwing mud at DJ for poor reasons and refuses to state his stance on DJ.
Do you think being dismissive is a sign of scum?
I said Joey is different because he is different. It’s a bit scummy, but not enough so for me to continue to pressure it.
Being dismissive is a minor scumtell. However, it compounds with the following paragraph. Your second paragraph was much more aggressive than the stance that you are currently claiming. Both of your paragraphs are trying to paint DJ as scum and yet you are now claiming that it was just "a bit scummy, but not enough so for me to continue to pressure it." You had your vote on him and were painting him as scum, but didn't think it deserved more pressure?
After he attacks DJ, he goes back to swishh. He doesn't actually believe that DJ is scum, he just wanted to attack him.
Mhmm. It's called pressure. I do it when I don't have a solid read on someone to get a better read on them. I also do it when I have a solid scum read on someone to convince everyone else that they're scum.
So you are saying that you never believed DJ was scum, you were just trying to establish a read on him? Why would you then unvote him while still having a scum read on him?
I'd say there's a 35% chance he's scum compared to the baseline 27% chance. Now answer my question.
Why did you feel the need to use numbers, and where did "35%" come from?
Re numbers: Because I felt like it. Re 35%: Because it's slightly higher than 27%.
Why would you use 35% over something such as "I find him slightly scum" if that was what you actually meant? Why resort to numbers to illustrate your point when you apparently meant a simple concept like "slight scum read". It does nothing but obfuscate the intention of your post.
Being dismissive is a minor scumtell. However, it compounds with the following paragraph. Your second paragraph was much more aggressive than the stance that you are currently claiming. Both of your paragraphs are trying to paint DJ as scum and yet you are now claiming that it was just "a bit scummy, but not enough so for me to continue to pressure it." You had your vote on him and were painting him as scum, but didn't think it deserved more pressure?
Yep. That would be why I switched my vote to swishh soon after. If I was trying to "paint Joey as scum," I would have actually called him scum.
So you are saying that you never believed DJ was scum, you were just trying to establish a read on him? Why would you then unvote him while still having a scum read on him?
I'm saying that I have no strong reads on anyone at this point. The way to fix that is by pressuring people.
Why would you use 35% over something such as "I find him slightly scum" if that was what you actually meant? Why resort to numbers to illustrate your point when you apparently meant a simple concept like "slight scum read". It does nothing but obfuscate the intention of your post.
Did anyone see the 35% and not realize that I was calling Joey a slight scum read? I don't see anything wrong with it.
You have a claimed scum read that you ignore and instead go after fairly minor things. That is scummy. Town don't ignore their scum reads.
I had a slight scum read on Joey. His recent posts actually make me think a bit better of him. I also have slight scum reads on swishh and Bigtraine. I'm not just going to focus on one of them for the duration of the Day.
Welcome, Raptor!
I look forward to playing with you again =]
Also, I'm wary of aethiest for his attack on fulcrum.
Comes at an odd time immediately after swishh and fulcrum both put pressure on bigtrainee.
Very agressive phrasing and loaded questions ruin an otherwise solid attack.
Welcome, Raptor!
I look forward to playing with you again =]
Also, I'm wary of aethiest for his attack on fulcrum.
Comes at an odd time immediately after swishh and fulcrum both put pressure on bigtrainee.
Very agressive phrasing and loaded questions ruin an otherwise solid attack.
Yes, I thought that whole weak unvote vote from fulcrum off swishh indicates weak bussing to take suspicion away from swishh.
Er, what?
Your reasoning is silly because (the reasoning) was because of a really, really slow explanation that came after lots of scumminess (which I believe you even noted) from swishh. Unvoting him because he finally answered your question without even noting his precluding scumminess was something very unexpected and scummy to me. It felt like you were just finding access to argue your case against swishh.
The easiest explanation, for me, was that you were weakly bussing swishh. Is the term distancing? I think it's called distancing. Does that make more sense? I'm bad at mafia language apparently
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In regards to current people:
Did a quick ISO on bigtraine - nothing incredibly scummy stands out to me at first glance. /shrug How much did bigtraine push the newbie card in WWII? I might go check myself. That's pretty much the only obvious thing that I can see.
Condoms' intent to vote is whatever. I like this guy. He's reckless.
AtheistGod's case seems good enough, I don't see anything untowards. Loaded questions and whatnot can be made by overzealous/tunneling town and are not necessarily indicative of scumminess.
Also, I'm wary of aethiest for his attack on fulcrum.
Comes at an odd time immediately after swishh and fulcrum both put pressure on bigtrainee.
Very agressive phrasing and loaded questions ruin an otherwise solid attack.
I'm getting mixed messages here. The attack is solid, but itn makes you weary.
Do you think this is an attempt at a counter wagon? Scum bussing scum? Because these are the vibes I'm getting from you about it.
Your reasoning is silly because (the reasoning) was because of a really, really slow explanation that came after lots of scumminess (which I believe you even noted) from swishh. Unvoting him because he finally answered your question without even noting his precluding scumminess was something very unexpected and scummy to me. It felt like you were just finding access to argue your case against swishh.
The easiest explanation, for me, was that you were weakly bussing swishh. Is the term distancing? I think it's called distancing. Does that make more sense? I'm bad at mafia language apparently.[/QOUTE]
Ah. Yeah, the term is distancing.
I unvoted swishh because he answered the question, a bit of question dodging is scummy, but pushing it to the extent he did is more null, my pressure wasn't doing much anyway, Bigtraine is scummier at the moment, and I wanted to see how swishh would react to me following up his pressure on Bigtraine. I find none of those reasons to be silly.
Your word choice of "the easiest explanation" is concerning. Why are you looking for the easiest explanation?
[QUOTE=fulcrum;/comments/12812534]Since you have so many scum suspects, why don't you put a vote down?
Did a quick ISO on bigtraine - nothing incredibly scummy stands out to me at first glance. /shrug How much did bigtraine push the newbie card in WWII? I might go check myself. That's pretty much the only obvious thing that I can see.
Look at his questions. What do they have in common?
AtheistGod's case seems good enough, I don't see anything untowards. Loaded questions and whatnot can be made by overzealous/tunneling town and are not necessarily indicative of scumminess.
Storyteller: I like his early play. The only thing that bothers me is that he says he can't chase Swishh anymore because what he does is often done by vets, yet still keeps his vote there.
Zemanjaski: Hides a good point on Explosiveforce in fluff (#15). His questioning of Deathjoey is quite good. I'm not a fan of early townclears without reasoning (Fulcrum), but that's not an alignment tell. Doesn't deliver the substance he promises. Please do.
Deathjoey: quite self-aware. Does anyone have meta on him that shows if this is a scumtell for him or not? I like some of his posts: he asks good questions in between his defences (he drew a lot of heat for his self-vote post).
I dislike how he tries to dismiss AG's case on Fulcrum, but that's null until we see a Fulcrum flip.
Explosiveforce: Is a bit self-aware in his RVS post. #43 gives me townie vibes but I don't like #68 because it's fluff.
Swishh: Early reaction baiting. This is town!Swishh. I like his thorough questionings. Is many words in RVS really a tell? I thought it was more based on personality than anything else.
Kosa: feels genuine in both his bad answer to Hawk's 'are you scum' question and the 'catch' of Azuriae. Don't think he's scum.
Fulcrum: I don't like how he votes Swishh after RVS to declare the vote as serious in a later post. The first vote should've been serious in the first place?
Most of my notes on him are covered in AG's case. I particularly dislike his use of percentages.
Him having to 'look back' to see that he doesn't like Bigtraine's reaction to his own question is very bad.
Azuriae: self-aware. Avoids commenting on things with not knowing meta as excuse. #35 looks like a typical scum post. No read yet on RR, but this seems to be a scum slot.
Hawk: Probably town with the "are you scum" question. Good reasoning on Deathjoey. Play becomes weaker after that.
AG: town meta read on AG. His posts are few and become better when the game evolves. Like his Fulcrum case.
Condoms: null. Post something.
Vote: Fulcrum.
Also interested in RR, but purely because of his predecessor.
I was interested in lynching big trains because right off the game I felt there were 2 distinct camps, swish in one and fulcrum and big train in the other. Out of the latter two I felt that fulcrum could be more useful to town and a big trains lynch would reveal information about fulcrum and swish. Now that rhand is in the game and having personal experience with him, I think that he will probably be more useful than fulcrum. However I'm now concerned with swish jumping off rhand and getting on fulcrum without sound reasoning other than rhand being good at forum mafia.
What are you talking about? I agreed with your comment that fulcrum went from coaching to bussing bigtraine. Granted Rhand's first post looked OK but even if fulcrum flips scum it could point to Rhand being scum.
If bigtraine/Rhand is scum how do you expect him to be 'useful?'
Zemanjaski: Hides a good point on Explosiveforce in fluff (#15). His questioning of Deathjoey is quite good. I'm not a fan of early townclears without reasoning (Fulcrum), but that's not an alignment tell. Doesn't deliver the substance he promises. Please do.
That questioning of Joey would be in this post, yeah?
Why do you think there are scum on your wagon deathjoey? Isn't it a legitimate tactic to put pressure on someone early, run up a wagon and see how they react?
Kosa: feels genuine in both his bad answer to Hawk's 'are you scum' question and the 'catch' of Azuriae. Don't think he's scum.
"I'm not a fan of early townclears without reasoning." Proceeds to clear Kosa based on four posts, with significantly stronger language than what zemanjaski used.
Fulcrum: I don't like how he votes Swishh after RVS to declare the vote as serious in a later post. The first vote should've been serious in the first place?
You seem like you could put out a very good case. Why are you piggy backing off of AG without even saying which points you agree with? Why not address my responses to AG?
What is it with you guys and the percentages? Bigtraine used them in Basic 79 and no one had a problem. But fine, I won't use them again if they're obfuscating my intent so much.
I was interested in lynching fulcrum/bigtraine for reasons I explained. I find it strange to vote someone and then after 1 post, agree with them and back them up their vote with a vote. It just looks off and I want to look more closely at swish because of it.
I'm curious if fulcrum went from openly coaching to bussing bigtraine.
Huh. I don't think I ever actually addressed this.
The "ask someone a question" thing is something that I picked up from Voxx when he mentored me in Basic 79. I'll quote the Prophhicus mentor qt, because Voxx explains it best.
You learn a lot of different things from who they ask a question, /what/ they ask, and how the person they ask responds. You can see who is actually trying to hunt scum with their questions, and who is just 'going through the motions'.
The impression I got from Bigtraine's questions is that he was "just going through the motions."
clearly I should just quit mafia.
Do you believe that "lots" of words in an RVS post makes it inherently scummy? Do scum break out of RVS more often than town?
Hmm, let's look at fulcrum's posts so far:
Why would swishh's "I'm a day cop" make you consider him scum?
Ignores swishh and jumps on DJ without reason. Why did you change your mind about swishh and why did you find DJ scummy?
Instantly assumes that DJ called him scum. Why would that be your first reaction?
Incredibly dismissive in the first paragraph. The second paragraph is almost textbook scum reasoning. This style of argument comes when scum try to fabricate a meta argument. He makes no actual statements and instead just says "you are different". That he followed it up this textbook scum argument with "It's not a good thing" is very suspect as well. He's not calling DJ scum, he's calling this supposed attitude difference "not good" rather than scummy. He's throwing mud at DJ for poor reasons and refuses to state his stance on DJ.
After he attacks DJ, he goes back to swishh. He doesn't actually believe that DJ is scum, he just wanted to attack him.
Why did you feel the need to use numbers, and where did "35%" come from?
Throwing in numbers as justification usually comes from scum, as hawk might remember. Fulcrum again refuses to call DJ "town" or "scum". He uses numbers to cover up this reluctance. Refer back to post 27, where Fulcrum is much more aggressive towards DJ than "35%" but had similar issues with stating a position.
What was the purpose of the quote? It is interesting how you want to turn the question around when your own answer was incomplete.
Fairly jumpy in his votes. Remember that he still has DJ as "35%" scum.
Hawk's point about fulcrum and Bigtraine may have merit, but I find fulcrum's inconsistent stance on DJ much more indicative of a scum mindset. He won't establish a stance and his tone disagrees with what little he does say about DJ.
Unvote; Vote fulcrum
@Storyteller - You voted for Swishh because you thought he was dodging your questions. Do you still feel that way? You also said that you thought Joey was probably scum (post 47) but are voting for Swishh anyway - why is that?
@Kosa - What are your thoughts to this point? You've had a little bantering with Hawk and a vote/unvote on Azuriae based on setup discussions.
Condoms - was your quasi-vote for Swishh a late RVS joke or was it serious?
Expllosive Force - What are your thoughts? Who are your leading scum candidates?
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Yes, in WWII mafia.
Still iffy on him. You don't often see such unwillingness to divulge your reasoning as town... is what I'd like to say, but I know more than a few veterans who flat out refuse to answer questions as town, as well, so I can't really chase him for that anymore.
Is it so bad that I have more than one suspect?
I'm going to be pretty busy with end of term at college and whatnot,
so probably won't be around for a bit.
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Replaced out D1
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Town Mason, NK N1
Scum Victory
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Replacing Marblez D2
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Scum Victory
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Scum Victory
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Town Victory
Um scum candidates are swishh, fulcrum, and someone else who I haven't decided on yet, because Im haven't been properly reading. Swishh because it took him a long time just to justify his point, which reads "Oh I was oppurtunistic scum I've been caught, let's make some excuse and then concentrate on Bigtraine for a silly reason - I do distinctly remember in past games that everyone unvotes because RVS is over. . Fulcrum because he unvoted swishh for the silliest reason and that's all I can remember. I did see AG's post and I'm aware I might be kind of barning him.
Oh yeah, and Kosa, though that's changing . Kosa because I don't trust his response to 7hawk77. But his nex few posts were OK, so I'm not 100% sure on I need to reread eventually.
fulcrum is a she btw =P
Do you think it's possible for fulcrum and swishh to be scum together?
Which is more likely to be scum in your opinion?
And since you were indignant when I didn't ask you about your experience, what's your previous level of experience?
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also lol @ Joey and Traine and Fulcrum not Liking Swissh's Day Cop joke. Wounds are too fresh methinks.
Will read more in a bit. Busy day.
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Yes, I thought that whole weak unvote vote from fulcrum off swishh indicates weak bussing to take suspicion away from swishh.
If I was going to choose who was more scum, it would probably be swishh. At an outside chance swishh is just fairly dense town (but Occam's Razor) while fulcrum's unvote on swishh to the next vote on, Bigtraine for weaker reasons than swishh, could be seen as throwing suspicion on every person he can so that he can net a mislynch on everyone later. But they're probably both scum anyways.
This (second thread) is an example of a town game, while this is an example of a scum game. yeah handle is ownedbyasmartbomb. Similar to the former Azuriae's meta, it's 48 hour day phases, 24 hour night phases, fluff on the first day, etc etc.
What makes you think storyteller and I were displeased with your vote? I was just irritated by your previous refusal to give your reasoning.
Ok. Why?
Because he dodged my question. I tend to pursue that sort of thing.
DJ's post looked very self-conscious so I switched.
Misrep. My first reaction was actually "What the hell?" I realized that Joey was calling me scum with swishh when he clarified it in post 23.
Do you think being dismissive is a sign of scum?
I said Joey is different because he is different. It’s a bit scummy, but not enough so for me to continue to pressure it.
Mhmm. It's called pressure. I do it when I don't have a solid read on someone to get a better read on them. I also do it when I have a solid scum read on someone to convince everyone else that they're scum.
Re numbers: Because I felt like it. Re 35%: Because it's slightly higher than 27%.
It's a Doctor Who quote, and I had just seen the 50th anniversary special. In what way was my answer incomplete?
You say that like it's a bad thing.
No. In WWII you came in, asked relevant questions, and gave opinions on issues. You've done approximately none of that here, with the exception of post 61 and that was just a barn of storyteller's and my own pressure on swishh.
Sort of like this, actually:
Though I do find it interesting that this came after I called you out and that the only remotely good question was the first one.
Really? How was my reasoning silly?
Since you have so many scum suspects, why don't you put a vote down?
Er, what?
Thanks Joey.
Hi Raptor. I'd love to see more of your thoughts.
Being dismissive is a minor scumtell. However, it compounds with the following paragraph. Your second paragraph was much more aggressive than the stance that you are currently claiming. Both of your paragraphs are trying to paint DJ as scum and yet you are now claiming that it was just "a bit scummy, but not enough so for me to continue to pressure it." You had your vote on him and were painting him as scum, but didn't think it deserved more pressure?
So you are saying that you never believed DJ was scum, you were just trying to establish a read on him? Why would you then unvote him while still having a scum read on him?
Why would you use 35% over something such as "I find him slightly scum" if that was what you actually meant? Why resort to numbers to illustrate your point when you apparently meant a simple concept like "slight scum read". It does nothing but obfuscate the intention of your post.
What were you trying to communicate by using the quote?
Your answer never said what your stance on DJ was, you just threw out 2 numbers.
You have a claimed scum read that you ignore and instead go after fairly minor things. That is scummy. Town don't ignore their scum reads.
Yep. That would be why I switched my vote to swishh soon after. If I was trying to "paint Joey as scum," I would have actually called him scum.
I'm saying that I have no strong reads on anyone at this point. The way to fix that is by pressuring people.
Did anyone see the 35% and not realize that I was calling Joey a slight scum read? I don't see anything wrong with it.
Nothing game related.
Two numbers that explained what my stance on Joey was.
I had a slight scum read on Joey. His recent posts actually make me think a bit better of him. I also have slight scum reads on swishh and Bigtraine. I'm not just going to focus on one of them for the duration of the Day.
Welcome, Raptor!
I look forward to playing with you again =]
Also, I'm wary of aethiest for his attack on fulcrum.
Comes at an odd time immediately after swishh and fulcrum both put pressure on bigtrainee.
Very agressive phrasing and loaded questions ruin an otherwise solid attack.
I'm wounded.
What do you think of Bigtraine?
Think he's scum?
Care to elaborate on why you think you want to vote swishh?
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Your reasoning is silly because (the reasoning) was because of a really, really slow explanation that came after lots of scumminess (which I believe you even noted) from swishh. Unvoting him because he finally answered your question without even noting his precluding scumminess was something very unexpected and scummy to me. It felt like you were just finding access to argue your case against swishh.
The easiest explanation, for me, was that you were weakly bussing swishh. Is the term distancing? I think it's called distancing. Does that make more sense? I'm bad at mafia language apparently
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In regards to current people:
Did a quick ISO on bigtraine - nothing incredibly scummy stands out to me at first glance. /shrug How much did bigtraine push the newbie card in WWII? I might go check myself. That's pretty much the only obvious thing that I can see.
Condoms' intent to vote is whatever. I like this guy. He's reckless.
AtheistGod's case seems good enough, I don't see anything untowards. Loaded questions and whatnot can be made by overzealous/tunneling town and are not necessarily indicative of scumminess.
Kosa/storyteller/zeman/RR need to post more.
I'm getting mixed messages here. The attack is solid, but itn makes you weary.
Do you think this is an attempt at a counter wagon? Scum bussing scum? Because these are the vibes I'm getting from you about it.
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You missed this.
Look at his questions. What do they have in common?
Which parts of his case do you agree with?
Explain this when you can.
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I think this is the current optimal lynch.
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Storyteller: I like his early play. The only thing that bothers me is that he says he can't chase Swishh anymore because what he does is often done by vets, yet still keeps his vote there.
Zemanjaski: Hides a good point on Explosiveforce in fluff (#15). His questioning of Deathjoey is quite good. I'm not a fan of early townclears without reasoning (Fulcrum), but that's not an alignment tell. Doesn't deliver the substance he promises. Please do.
Deathjoey: quite self-aware. Does anyone have meta on him that shows if this is a scumtell for him or not? I like some of his posts: he asks good questions in between his defences (he drew a lot of heat for his self-vote post).
I dislike how he tries to dismiss AG's case on Fulcrum, but that's null until we see a Fulcrum flip.
Explosiveforce: Is a bit self-aware in his RVS post. #43 gives me townie vibes but I don't like #68 because it's fluff.
Swishh: Early reaction baiting. This is town!Swishh. I like his thorough questionings. Is many words in RVS really a tell? I thought it was more based on personality than anything else.
Kosa: feels genuine in both his bad answer to Hawk's 'are you scum' question and the 'catch' of Azuriae. Don't think he's scum.
Fulcrum: I don't like how he votes Swishh after RVS to declare the vote as serious in a later post. The first vote should've been serious in the first place?
Most of my notes on him are covered in AG's case. I particularly dislike his use of percentages.
Him having to 'look back' to see that he doesn't like Bigtraine's reaction to his own question is very bad.
Azuriae: self-aware. Avoids commenting on things with not knowing meta as excuse. #35 looks like a typical scum post. No read yet on RR, but this seems to be a scum slot.
Hawk: Probably town with the "are you scum" question. Good reasoning on Deathjoey. Play becomes weaker after that.
AG: town meta read on AG. His posts are few and become better when the game evolves. Like his Fulcrum case.
Condoms: null. Post something.
Vote: Fulcrum.
Also interested in RR, but purely because of his predecessor.
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I also don't trust in my ability to read swish. I can't really explain due to ongoing games.
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If bigtraine/Rhand is scum how do you expect him to be 'useful?'
* fulcrum stares
Rhand/AtheistGod/swishh scum team?
That questioning of Joey would be in this post, yeah?
How is that quite good?
Is there a reason you stopped commenting on Explosiveforce's posts after post 68?
"I'm not a fan of early townclears without reasoning." Proceeds to clear Kosa based on four posts, with significantly stronger language than what zemanjaski used.
Why? Also, I'm a she.
You seem like you could put out a very good case. Why are you piggy backing off of AG without even saying which points you agree with? Why not address my responses to AG?
What is it with you guys and the percentages? Bigtraine used them in Basic 79 and no one had a problem. But fine, I won't use them again if they're obfuscating my intent so much.
Agreed. I wasn't paying as close enough attention to Bigtraine I should have been. Consider that fixed.
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Huh. I don't think I ever actually addressed this.
The "ask someone a question" thing is something that I picked up from Voxx when he mentored me in Basic 79. I'll quote the Prophhicus mentor qt, because Voxx explains it best.
The impression I got from Bigtraine's questions is that he was "just going through the motions."
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