Because I want to read the game and see if lynching him is truly a good idea, but I don't have time to do more than armchair comments for about two more days or so.
Kosakosa - Generally has a somber demeanor as town. Tends to act more Jovial as scum. Early on I was trying to Identify who was town Vs. who was scum specifically with Kosa because I wanted to establish a strong town presence with Kosa if he passed. My main reason for this was that I was vanilla and feel like I could read Kosa well enough to establish a strong town, and draw the night kill. I tried to trap kosakosa by buddying up to see what his reaction was. If he accepted the buddying and joked around then I would think that he was scum and try to get him lynched. He would have no reason to try and get me lynched when I already said that he was in my top two town. I think that he would have accepted the buddying and guided me to mislynches as scum.
Verdict: Leaning town.
AtheistGod - Every game I've played with him, he's seemed to kind of lurk without adding much to the town. I think I've played a total of 2-3 games with him. His MO is completely different from his style this game. I think that he is probably trying to just play stronger as town.
Verdict: Leaning Town.
EtR (r explosiveforce (mentored by TMCT)*) - Scum. I've shared my sentiments about his play. The ordered pair with fulcrum is upside which makes this the proper lynch.
storyteller - Don't really see much either way. Need more content
Verdict: null
Fulcrum - Leaning scum. Asking people to ask questions seems like basic coaching. Ordered pair here, lynch for later. Not a bad cop target.
Verdict: Leaning scum
Deathjoey - I don't know the experience level of DeathJoey. His play seems like he is very careful about every move he makes which really just shows he is a methodical player. His reaction to my wagon makes me think that he is town.
verdict: Null to leaning town,
Wheat_Grinder (r zemanjaski) - Zeman's posts all make good sense to me. I would have included him as my top 2 town choices if I wasn't trying to bait Kosa. Wheat hasn't done anything yet so this is just based on Zeman.
verdict: Town.
7hawk77 - Vanilla town.
Rhand - I have difficulty reading rhand because I think we both have very different perspectives on the game. I couldn't trust Rhand in MTGS mafia and it ended up losing me the game. My general approach to this player is to let him just be useful to town and see what others think about him. Should be a high priority cop target.
Verdict: Null.
Void - Condoms was completely null but I like Void's opening. I think explosive is by far the best lynch of today and I'm glad that Void sees explosive being scummy. He also notes how the voting on my wagon doesn't add up. He is an experienced player and I don't see why he would protect me if he was scum and I was town, it would be too easy to jump on the "scum slip" and get a free lynch.
Verdict: Town
Rancid Raptor - He hasn't posted a ton but most of his points were about small phrases that bothered him and where he was coming from was understandable enough
Verdict: Leaning town.
Swishh - I'm definitely biased against swishh. It's hard for me to take a player seriously when I've seen them flip flop vote 4 different players while barning half of them to instantly flop right back after. I can give a longer version of what I think about Swishh's posts but it's going to be hyper critical and mildly offensive. I really have no intention of arguing about swishh's gameplay because I don't think that it will get the town in to a better position to win. The fact that he's trying to get me quick lynched while I was out of town at a bachelor party seems about accurate with his gameplay thus far. Everything Swishh has done seems impulsive while lacking foresight. If we have a vig, I think this is the best person to shoot with it. I wouldn't waste a cop shot on him.
Verdict: Scum or bad town.
@anyone who has an issue with my vote on joey: why? his behavior has been highly odd. admittedly I haven't put much effort into this game yet as I'm more invested in an about-to-end GIP. but by all means keep the concern coming. it will provide some useful information after some flips.
This is very self aware. Swishh basically says, "I'm going to scum hunt myself to show you why I'm not scum!"
@anyone who has an issue with my vote on joey: why? his behavior has been highly odd. admittedly I haven't put much effort into this game yet as I'm more invested in an about-to-end GIP. but by all means keep the concern coming. it will provide some useful information after some flips.
Yet again, I agree with hawk. His scum flip will look pretty bad for fulcrum.
Another barn. With trying to get bigtraine lynched, it means if Rhand flips town, swissh looks worse. If Rhand flips scum, swishh looks better.
Second barn.
Cool so Rhand looks townier than bigtraine at least. I'll back this lynch.
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Vote: fulcrum
What the ****ing ****. He wanted to lynch bigtraine and after barning my reasons twice, now after 1 post from bigtraines' replacement, Swishh bails and starts going after someone else? Do you know why? Rhand showing his expertise in Mafia basically turned swishh off of trying to get him lynched cause it would be too hard to set up that mislynch. Why go against the flow when you can go with the current.
I really don't understand why everyone is accusing me of dodging questions. I answered exactly why I voted joey in 74 - then again in 80, 88, and 93.
Swishh: You dodged is posts 17, 19, 64, 72 and 77. 74 was the beginning of an explanation, but it wasn't detailed enough for me to understand what you were saying.
Can my scum reads please stop requesting replacement?
@EtR: Why the unvote?
Etr placed and joke vote while replacing in and Swishh makes it apparent that he wants real votes on people so he can figure out where the easiest lynch is.
Hey everyone - Like PG said I'll be V/LA for a bit. I'll try and post some thoughts in the next day or so and sporadically after that. I'll be back to normal form next week.
Also - for fun Unvote if voting
Vote: Rhand <-- Look, it's your sig come to life
Yes, that would be prudent. Too bad you already voted. How is voting at this point in the day a good choice if you haven't read the entire thread? How did you know you weren't hammering Cyan?
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Vote: Rhand
Another flip flop, double barn in to a vote on the person doing the grunt work for you. Inconsistent much?
It's early. I'm trying to put pressure on as many different people as possible to gauge reactions. And I disagree about the RVS unvote. Rhand's most recent posts are reinstating my read on Bigtraine.
The problem swishh is I find alot of your reasons for pressuring is off and it just feels like you are all over the place. Voting bigtraine shows that you have intention to lynch him because he is scum, rhand replaces in and in one post, you clear bigtraine rhand and back up where his vote goes with your own? Scum are not going to feel threatened by your schizophrenic play.
Anyways, I'm going to look in to this more later and I'll give my top 2 lynch picks.
Given all the information about my rationalizations of players and swishh's play, I feel like people can now make a good decision on whether or not I "slipped."
Anyways, If I somehow get quick lynched without being able to respond, I have a few suggestions.
If you are new player and have a power role, look at my analysis of players for suggestions on a good ways to use your role. If I get lynched it will reveal that I am town so you know that you could trust my judgment and I'm not misguiding you.
Look to Explosive and Swishh as your next two lynches.
Look to Void and Rhand to lead the town. (Hopefully after someone cops rhand)
I'm going to very busy this week so I won't be able to devote as much time to this as I did today. I should be around to answer smaller questions.
Why on earth would that dismal excuse for a case offend me? Ya know what's really funny? Kosa and AG voted you and called you out on your slip while I was still baiting you and yet >I'm the bad one (and also scum) while both of them are town?
That's not a case. That's just a pbap insight of my interpretation of your play up to the "slip".
That post is not really intended to help you make a decision.
It's for others to understand my rationalizations and follow my thought process to determine if I slipped or not so they can make intelligent decisions.
The funny part is if you interpreted it as a case, your gut reaction was to dismiss it. Figures.
That's not a case. That's just a pbap insight of my interpretation of your play up to the "slip".
You called Swishh 'dismissive scum' in that pbpa among a lot of other stuff that you're clearly interpreting as coming from scum.
How is that not a case against him?
/barn Swishh about AG: your AG town read doesn't seem to have a strong base and yet you don't call him out for voting you?
Swishh is sending out a lot of scummy signals with his play, so he is scum or town that is doing a bad job portraying it.
I had a gut reaction on AGs alignment but he hasn't done much to really sway me. I'm disappointed in his vote on me but I'm not going to derail my intentions of getting explosive lynched.
That's not a case. That's just a pbap insight of my interpretation of your play up to the "slip".
That post is not really intended to help you make a decision.
It's for others to understand my rationalizations and follow my thought process to determine if I slipped or not so they can make intelligent decisions.
The funny part is if you interpreted it as a case, your gut reaction was to dismiss it. Figures.
I interpreted it as a case because you called me scum then said a lot of stuff about my posts. That's generally how people justify calling someone scum.
Swishh is sending out a lot of scummy signals with his play, so he is scum or town that is doing a bad job portraying it.
That's not a reasonable response. You seem to be insinuating that you don't buy it, despite reasonable evidence, and despite Occam's Razor, and even despite Hawk's meta (in that every time I can remember him getting lynched, he was there fighting it until the bitter end).
But, the question I need to ask myself then, is are you scum as a result? Scum response is pushing for a mislynch, hard, but then you'll be on the hook come toMorrow. But, what if he's scum and you're trying to bus him so hard for the town!cred? Or, what if you are town who really believes himself to be right, to the point where you're using anything to get him lynched, because you truly believe him scum?
I'll need to look at the rest of the game to decide that, but my read-through (Tuesday night or Wednesday) will have a large focus on you.
I'm here. Explosive is still the better lynch for toDay for reasons mentioned. The hawk/swishh exchange will likely get resolved toNight so lets not worry about them until then.
Or, what if you are town who really believes himself to be right, to the point where you're using anything to get him lynched, because you truly believe him scum?
That one.
And - just curious here - why am >I< considered hawk's primary antagonist? Kosa and AG voted him and accused him of slipping well before I did. Is it because the slip in question pertains to me?
Or, what if you are town who really believes himself to be right, to the point where you're using anything to get him lynched, because you truly believe him scum?
That one.
And - just curious here - why am >I< considered hawk's primary antagonist? Kosa and AG voted him and accused him of slipping well before I did. Is it because the slip in question pertains to me?
Well for me anyway it's because you are dismissing reasonable explanations for things that don't actually make him scum in the first place.
I haven't seen Kosa and AG jumping on hawk for the sole reason that I haven't read the game.
Also that last paragraph is something that tingles a memory for me, and I think that I might be getting somewhere. But, we'll see in 36-48 hours.
The problem swishh is I find alot of your reasons for pressuring is off and it just feels like you are all over the place. Voting bigtraine shows that you have intention to lynch him because he is scum, rhand replaces in and in one post, you clear bigtraine rhand and back up where his vote goes with your own? Scum are not going to feel threatened by your schizophrenic play.
Anyways, I'm going to look in to this more later and I'll give my top 2 lynch picks.
I don't, in fact I think you are more likely scum. Your pressuring is more forced than genuine. Why are you trying to beg the question in a way that makes me identify you as town?
Because you've implied he's town in the post before his question.
That post makes no sense if you believe swish to be scum. You just slipped.
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Vote hawk
I'm not trying to give anyone "credit" for recognizing the slip. I'm wondering why people seem to be perfectly fine with Kosa and AG parked on the hawk wagon, but I'm under suspicion for trying to push the lynch through. How is it more suspicious to push a lynch on someone you think is scum than to vote him and disappear?
And what I'm getting is I'm wary of Kosa and AG. Like I said earlier if hawk is scum, this is a prime busing opportunity. If he's town, he's an easy mislynch target. So again: no matter how he flips, I expect to find scum on this wagon.
Can someone explain how this is not the ideal lynch toDay? He's already claimed, and his flip will provide useful information.
Fact 1: Hawk wrote a sentence that assumed swishh is town.
Fact 2: Swishh asked a question about said sentence.
Fact 3: Kosa followed it by calling it a scumtell.
Fact 4: Hawk's responce was objectively bad.
Now, each of you either believe that hawk scumslipped, and his subsequent posts were bs, or you do not. It really has nothing to do with who called him on it.
It would be fine if swishh called me out on it and voted for me, but he pointed it out, waited for other people to start voting before voting himself. Do you think that swishh reflexively saying it was kosa calling out the scum slip and waiting to get on my wagon isn't suspicious?
It would be fine if swishh called me out on it and voted for me, but he pointed it out, waited for other people to start voting before voting himself. Do you think that swishh reflexively saying it was kosa calling out the scum slip and waiting to get on my wagon isn't suspicious?
And - just curious here - why am >I< considered hawk's primary antagonist? Kosa and AG voted him and accused him of slipping well before I did. Is it because the slip in question pertains to me?
He asked that because hawk was implying that swishh is the main force behind this case, which is not true. If hawk flips town, then sure, look back at this with some suspicion. But that only works if hawk flips town, and I really don't think he will.
It would be fine if swishh called me out on it and voted for me, but he pointed it out, waited for other people to start voting before voting himself. Do you think that swishh reflexively saying it was kosa calling out the scum slip and waiting to get on my wagon isn't suspicious?
I think it's fine, as it's something I've done before as town. Waiting for a response from someone you're pressuring before making a full case is not scummy.
I haven't read the other games or threads yet, but it might be a good idea for me to do so. I can't really comment on fulcrum's accusations towards you, because really, I'll have to reread the other games.
Do you think post 20 is scummy? Why or why not?
You don't need to know the meta to react to this.
Looks like Fulcrum asked this question, which Azuriae responds to and Fulcrum never followed up.
I am a noob as well, but this confuses me. You mean Day 1 in terms of Day 1 in the game (not day 1 as in the first 24 hours of the game)? And what, everyone votes No Lynch or something? That seems like a terrible tactic for town so lets not do that.
Yes, as in Day 1 in the game. Sorry, This is all way different from where I used to play; as I said, Day 1 lynches are usually very, very rare. Mislynches are not something that we want to happen; Games have a bit more emphasis on power roles and the such, and we often have Neutral roles in the game, such as a Jester which kills voters when lynched. Role setups are way different!
On a side note, I'll be on vacations from the 30th to the 2nd. Birthday trip, so.
Bold: And just how would you know that this game is less reliant on PRs or that the setup is way different from what you're used to? You can't get that from a single role PM. Did you have access to more than one role PM huh?
Vote Azuriae
This is a basic, it's pretty common that they are light on power. And this vote is opportunistic.
This is a red flag. There's no reason to unvote an RVS vote first of all. Second, to make a point of explaining the unvote is self-conscious. This is compounded by the lack of other content in the post. Unvote
Vote: Bigtraine
This is the exact opposite of what I know. My understanding was that everyone pretty much unvotes at the end of RVS. Why is it scummy to do so?
Yeah, I get it. I struggled early Day 1 in WWII mafia too. It wasn't until the Void wagon that I really felt good about a vote there. Ironically, that was one of the areas I wanted to improve on in my second game, but haven't done so. I think I'll do later in the day when there is more to work with.
The people on my list are who I consider likely town. My statement amount you/Bigtraine was comparative. That is, to say, you're acting more town than Bigtraine was.
But you say you didn't read him as scum to begin with?
I don't understand what you're getting at. Explain your point, please.
The problem swishh is I find alot of your reasons for pressuring is off and it just feels like you are all over the place. Voting bigtraine shows that you have intention to lynch him because he is scum, rhand replaces in and in one post, you clear bigtraine rhand and back up where his vote goes with your own? Scum are not going to feel threatened by your schizophrenic play.
Anyways, I'm going to look in to this more later and I'll give my top 2 lynch picks.
I do not believe this is the slip that everyone is trying to turn it into.
I'm inclined to agree. And I don't like that he's ignoring my latest question to him.
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Vote: 7hawk77
Waiting to see if the wagon gained traction and then voting after it does. There is a post previously when you clearly insinuate that you believe Hawk to be scum and yet you didn't vote him until here. Dislike.
Or, what if you are town who really believes himself to be right, to the point where you're using anything to get him lynched, because you truly believe him scum?
That one.
And - just curious here - why am >I< considered hawk's primary antagonist? Kosa and AG voted him and accused him of slipping well before I did. Is it because the slip in question pertains to me?
This shows an attempt to distance himself from the wagon that he started.
Vote Swishh
Town/Scum list from Town to Scum:
Void - Even though he wants to lynch me he is earnestly scum hunting.
fulcrum - I've like the majority of fulcrum's posts. There is some IIoA going on but over all the post have been strong.
Hawk - This reads like every other Hawk game I've seen where he was town. I think the pressure he got from Swishh was unreasonable.
Storyteller - Decent posts and I've read them as honest.
Rhand - I like Rhand a lot more than BigTraine, but I won't say he's full town yet, as Rhand is slippery. I think I'll know more when he gives his opinion of me.
Wheat Grinder - Need more info, but I've liked his wanting to read through before jumping on Hawk.
Rancid Raptor - More null than anything else. Need more posts to decide.
DeathJoey- Same thing here. I've not read a ton of his posts in depth because they are so long, but nothing stood out either way. At this point that's bad so he's leaning scum.
AtheistGod - Lurking and sniping with a lot of just commenting on the game state instead of looking for scum.
Kosa - Meta Read more than anything else, but a lurky Kosa in my experience has been non-town Kosa. Since we can assume that there aren't any religious serial killers in this game, I assume he is scum here. Plus, he's been antagonistic and hasn't really followed through with a lot of his reads.
Swishh - I've elaborated on this more in my posts above, but what sealed it for me was his attempt to get away from the wagon on Hawk while leaving his vote on it. That combined with his vote hopping and I think we have scum.
My argument that I was later the wagon than others is not an argument. It's a fact. It's a fact that I brought up to counter Void's apparently nonsensical belief that I'm the only one who's suspicious for wanting to lynch hawk. (His argument being that I'm scum for being eager to lynch him, yet the others who voted him before I did (and thus were more eager for his lynch) are town.)
What's up with my tone is that I'm pretty fed up with the level of play I'm seeing here. Hawk is hands down the best lynch for toDay.
My argument that I was later the wagon than others is not an argument. It's a fact. It's a fact that I brought up to counter Void's apparently nonsensical belief that I'm the only one who's suspicious for wanting to lynch hawk. (His argument being that I'm scum for being eager to lynch him, yet the others who voted him before I did (and thus were more eager for his lynch) are town.)
What's up with my tone is that I'm pretty fed up with the level of play I'm seeing here. Hawk is hands down the best lynch for toDay.
Well, I have all three of you in my scum pile if that makes you feel better. And I don't know exactly what level of play you're expecting in a basic but you might want to reset your expectations.
If Rhand doesn't like fulcrum asking Void about that, I will.
@Void: Do you think if we don't lynch hawk, either he or I will be killed toNight? Or vigged? Or copped? Or what? +Why?
I don't like you asking it either.
What if the answer on the "why" question is that Void is planning on doing something himself? You want him to claim that?
There's no good reason for Void to answer these questions and you should not be asking them.
The people on my list are who I consider likely town. My statement amount you/Bigtraine was comparative. That is, to say, you're acting more town than Bigtraine was.
But you say you didn't read him as scum to begin with?
I don't understand what you're getting at. Explain your point, please.
He didn't have a scumread on Bigtraine, found me even more townie and yet when he posted his townreads he didn't include me. That gave me the impression that his town list was fabricated.
Do you think me wanting to know why EtR isn't afraid of hammering is scummy?
WHy didn't you follow up on your initial question of me once I answered?
Your response was ok. I don't think there was more information to distract from you there.
About your T/S list: why did you not include any of the predecessors in your reads of players apart from mine?
I disagree with your Kosa meta read. I've seen him lurk as town and he makes it no secret that he loves being scum.
About your T/S list: why did you not include any of the predecessors in your reads of players apart from mine?
I disagree with your Kosa meta read. I've seen him lurk as town and he makes it no secret that he loves being scum.
Mostly as they didn't factor a lot into my decisions. Kpaca and Azur had less than ten posts. Zemanjaski helped to contribute to my leaning town view on Wheat.
Can you point me to a game where Kosa was lurky as town? I don't know that I remember one.
That's some terrible reasoning, especially given the time of the year.
Basic 82: Hayate the Combat Butler Mafia
Town Doctor, NK N1
Mini: Drury Lane Mafia
Replaced out D1
Mafia "Stuffer"
Basic 80: Sesame Street Mafia
Town Mason, NK N1
Scum Victory
Basic 68: Mr. Potato Head Mafia
Replacing Marblez D2
Town Vanilla, Lynched Last Day (D6)
Scum Victory
Mini: Eeveelution Mafia
Town Umbreon, Modkilled D1
Scum Victory
Mini: Deitriptychos Mafia
Town Necromancer, NK N1
Town Victory
Because I want to read the game and see if lynching him is truly a good idea, but I don't have time to do more than armchair comments for about two more days or so.
I know what Caspar says, but I need one of Melchior and Balthazar before proceeding.
Reading is tech.
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defend yourself, scumlord 2013.
Verdict: Leaning town.
AtheistGod - Every game I've played with him, he's seemed to kind of lurk without adding much to the town. I think I've played a total of 2-3 games with him. His MO is completely different from his style this game. I think that he is probably trying to just play stronger as town.
Verdict: Leaning Town.
EtR (r explosiveforce (mentored by TMCT)*) - Scum. I've shared my sentiments about his play. The ordered pair with fulcrum is upside which makes this the proper lynch.
storyteller - Don't really see much either way. Need more content
Verdict: null
Fulcrum - Leaning scum. Asking people to ask questions seems like basic coaching. Ordered pair here, lynch for later. Not a bad cop target.
Verdict: Leaning scum
Deathjoey - I don't know the experience level of DeathJoey. His play seems like he is very careful about every move he makes which really just shows he is a methodical player. His reaction to my wagon makes me think that he is town.
verdict: Null to leaning town,
Wheat_Grinder (r zemanjaski) - Zeman's posts all make good sense to me. I would have included him as my top 2 town choices if I wasn't trying to bait Kosa. Wheat hasn't done anything yet so this is just based on Zeman.
verdict: Town.
7hawk77 - Vanilla town.
Rhand - I have difficulty reading rhand because I think we both have very different perspectives on the game. I couldn't trust Rhand in MTGS mafia and it ended up losing me the game. My general approach to this player is to let him just be useful to town and see what others think about him. Should be a high priority cop target.
Verdict: Null.
Void - Condoms was completely null but I like Void's opening. I think explosive is by far the best lynch of today and I'm glad that Void sees explosive being scummy. He also notes how the voting on my wagon doesn't add up. He is an experienced player and I don't see why he would protect me if he was scum and I was town, it would be too easy to jump on the "scum slip" and get a free lynch.
Verdict: Town
Rancid Raptor - He hasn't posted a ton but most of his points were about small phrases that bothered him and where he was coming from was understandable enough
Verdict: Leaning town.
Swishh - I'm definitely biased against swishh. It's hard for me to take a player seriously when I've seen them flip flop vote 4 different players while barning half of them to instantly flop right back after. I can give a longer version of what I think about Swishh's posts but it's going to be hyper critical and mildly offensive. I really have no intention of arguing about swishh's gameplay because I don't think that it will get the town in to a better position to win. The fact that he's trying to get me quick lynched while I was out of town at a bachelor party seems about accurate with his gameplay thus far. Everything Swishh has done seems impulsive while lacking foresight. If we have a vig, I think this is the best person to shoot with it. I wouldn't waste a cop shot on him.
Verdict: Scum or bad town.
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This is very self aware. Swishh basically says, "I'm going to scum hunt myself to show you why I'm not scum!"
The rediculous part is he is being self aware with asking himself that question but then does a terrible job answering it.
Fulcrum is voting joey at this point. Fluff much?
Hindsight justifications of voting is something scum does, not town.
First barn on me, noted for later.
Self defeatest scum while being dismissive.
Swishh votes for him breaking RVS when his first post was:
Another barn. With trying to get bigtraine lynched, it means if Rhand flips town, swissh looks worse. If Rhand flips scum, swishh looks better.
Second barn.
What the ****ing ****. He wanted to lynch bigtraine and after barning my reasons twice, now after 1 post from bigtraines' replacement, Swishh bails and starts going after someone else? Do you know why? Rhand showing his expertise in Mafia basically turned swishh off of trying to get him lynched cause it would be too hard to set up that mislynch. Why go against the flow when you can go with the current.
Dodgeball master
More fluff of buddying up to Rhand, Swishh already agreed to vote with Rhand, why post this?
Etr placed and joke vote while replacing in and Swishh makes it apparent that he wants real votes on people so he can figure out where the easiest lynch is.
Another flip flop, double barn in to a vote on the person doing the grunt work for you. Inconsistent much?
Never answers. More dodging.
Given all the information about my rationalizations of players and swishh's play, I feel like people can now make a good decision on whether or not I "slipped."
Anyways, If I somehow get quick lynched without being able to respond, I have a few suggestions.
If you are new player and have a power role, look at my analysis of players for suggestions on a good ways to use your role. If I get lynched it will reveal that I am town so you know that you could trust my judgment and I'm not misguiding you.
Look to Explosive and Swishh as your next two lynches.
Look to Void and Rhand to lead the town. (Hopefully after someone cops rhand)
I'm going to very busy this week so I won't be able to devote as much time to this as I did today. I should be around to answer smaller questions.
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That post is not really intended to help you make a decision.
It's for others to understand my rationalizations and follow my thought process to determine if I slipped or not so they can make intelligent decisions.
The funny part is if you interpreted it as a case, your gut reaction was to dismiss it. Figures.
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You called Swishh 'dismissive scum' in that pbpa among a lot of other stuff that you're clearly interpreting as coming from scum.
How is that not a case against him?
/barn Swishh about AG: your AG town read doesn't seem to have a strong base and yet you don't call him out for voting you?
I had a gut reaction on AGs alignment but he hasn't done much to really sway me. I'm disappointed in his vote on me but I'm not going to derail my intentions of getting explosive lynched.
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I interpreted it as a case because you called me scum then said a lot of stuff about my posts. That's generally how people justify calling someone scum.
hawk. fencesit. harder. please.
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So hawk has an in-thread reason he was gone for a few days and so when he shows that as the reason he was gone you go
That's not a reasonable response. You seem to be insinuating that you don't buy it, despite reasonable evidence, and despite Occam's Razor, and even despite Hawk's meta (in that every time I can remember him getting lynched, he was there fighting it until the bitter end).
But, the question I need to ask myself then, is are you scum as a result? Scum response is pushing for a mislynch, hard, but then you'll be on the hook come toMorrow. But, what if he's scum and you're trying to bus him so hard for the town!cred? Or, what if you are town who really believes himself to be right, to the point where you're using anything to get him lynched, because you truly believe him scum?
I'll need to look at the rest of the game to decide that, but my read-through (Tuesday night or Wednesday) will have a large focus on you.
That one.
And - just curious here - why am >I< considered hawk's primary antagonist? Kosa and AG voted him and accused him of slipping well before I did. Is it because the slip in question pertains to me?
Well for me anyway it's because you are dismissing reasonable explanations for things that don't actually make him scum in the first place.
I haven't seen Kosa and AG jumping on hawk for the sole reason that I haven't read the game.
Also that last paragraph is something that tingles a memory for me, and I think that I might be getting somewhere. But, we'll see in 36-48 hours.
Who called hawk out on the slip, swishh? You did.
Now the question that begs to be answered is this: Why are you trying to put the credit for the slip on KosaKosa and AG?
I'm not trying to give anyone "credit" for recognizing the slip. I'm wondering why people seem to be perfectly fine with Kosa and AG parked on the hawk wagon, but I'm under suspicion for trying to push the lynch through. How is it more suspicious to push a lynch on someone you think is scum than to vote him and disappear?
And what I'm getting is I'm wary of Kosa and AG. Like I said earlier if hawk is scum, this is a prime busing opportunity. If he's town, he's an easy mislynch target. So again: no matter how he flips, I expect to find scum on this wagon.
Can someone explain how this is not the ideal lynch toDay? He's already claimed, and his flip will provide useful information.
good, so we agree.
By you asking the question, swishh, you are calling hawk out for his slip.
Fact 1: Hawk wrote a sentence that assumed swishh is town.
Fact 2: Swishh asked a question about said sentence.
Fact 3: Kosa followed it by calling it a scumtell.
Fact 4: Hawk's responce was objectively bad.
Now, each of you either believe that hawk scumslipped, and his subsequent posts were bs, or you do not. It really has nothing to do with who called him on it.
Is not worth looking into why swishh is trying to give credit to others?
It would be fine if swishh called me out on it and voted for me, but he pointed it out, waited for other people to start voting before voting himself. Do you think that swishh reflexively saying it was kosa calling out the scum slip and waiting to get on my wagon isn't suspicious?
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I'M NOT TRYING TO GIVE CREDIT TO ANYONE.
ACTUALLY YA KNOW WHAT. I GET ALL THE CREDIT. I'M THE GENIUS HERE. APPARENTLY.
It was really your followups that got me vote for you- especially the ones where you were like, OH actually I think you're scum lolnvmsry.
Oh, is that what he's doing? Because, I actually thought this asinine tangent started with:
He asked that because hawk was implying that swishh is the main force behind this case, which is not true. If hawk flips town, then sure, look back at this with some suspicion. But that only works if hawk flips town, and I really don't think he will.
I think it's fine, as it's something I've done before as town. Waiting for a response from someone you're pressuring before making a full case is not scummy.
Also, the **** does this mean?
1. Because it makes no sense. 2. If he didn't want it to be questioned, he shouldn't have brought it up in the first place.
@Void: Do you think if we don't lynch hawk, either he or I will be killed toNight? Or vigged? Or copped? Or what? +Why?
Voting an RVS vote after RVS ends and acknowledging that fact. Don't like this right off the bat.
Swishh is the one that claimed RVS was over and then he comes with this. Not really a consistent mindset.
Looks like Fulcrum asked this question, which Azuriae responds to and Fulcrum never followed up.
This is a basic, it's pretty common that they are light on power. And this vote is opportunistic.
This is the exact opposite of what I know. My understanding was that everyone pretty much unvotes at the end of RVS. Why is it scummy to do so?
Very self aware. Scum trait noted.
Not paying attention. This has already been metioned. Town points.
Fulcrum appears to have a lot of the information instead of analysis going on.
Pretty much a naked vote. I'll take those town points back, thank you.
I like this post from Rhand. It makes me feel better than I did about BigT.
Kosa's scum meta is to be extremely lurky. See the last to league games. I'm seeing that again here.
What does this mean to you?
This is so scummy. It's dripping with self awareness. Why would you care what he thought of your vote?
I don't understand what you're getting at. Explain your point, please.
WHy didn't you follow up on your initial question of me once I answered?
Swishh will vote just about anybody...
Based on what?
I do not believe this is the slip that everyone is trying to turn it into.
Waiting to see if the wagon gained traction and then voting after it does. There is a post previously when you clearly insinuate that you believe Hawk to be scum and yet you didn't vote him until here. Dislike.
Joey calls it a slip, but doesn't vote.
That rush to end the day is so blood thirsty.
This shows an attempt to distance himself from the wagon that he started.
Vote Swishh
Town/Scum list from Town to Scum:
Void - Even though he wants to lynch me he is earnestly scum hunting.
fulcrum - I've like the majority of fulcrum's posts. There is some IIoA going on but over all the post have been strong.
Hawk - This reads like every other Hawk game I've seen where he was town. I think the pressure he got from Swishh was unreasonable.
Storyteller - Decent posts and I've read them as honest.
Rhand - I like Rhand a lot more than BigTraine, but I won't say he's full town yet, as Rhand is slippery. I think I'll know more when he gives his opinion of me.
Wheat Grinder - Need more info, but I've liked his wanting to read through before jumping on Hawk.
Rancid Raptor - More null than anything else. Need more posts to decide.
DeathJoey- Same thing here. I've not read a ton of his posts in depth because they are so long, but nothing stood out either way. At this point that's bad so he's leaning scum.
AtheistGod - Lurking and sniping with a lot of just commenting on the game state instead of looking for scum.
Kosa - Meta Read more than anything else, but a lurky Kosa in my experience has been non-town Kosa. Since we can assume that there aren't any religious serial killers in this game, I assume he is scum here. Plus, he's been antagonistic and hasn't really followed through with a lot of his reads.
Swishh - I've elaborated on this more in my posts above, but what sealed it for me was his attempt to get away from the wagon on Hawk while leaving his vote on it. That combined with his vote hopping and I think we have scum.
You're argument that you were later to the wagon than others due to where your vote fell.
And what's up with that tone of yours?
What's up with my tone is that I'm pretty fed up with the level of play I'm seeing here. Hawk is hands down the best lynch for toDay.
Well, I have all three of you in my scum pile if that makes you feel better. And I don't know exactly what level of play you're expecting in a basic but you might want to reset your expectations.
And for what it's worth, I'm inclined to agree with you on kosa/AG.
No, but it's interesting that you're taking a generalized statement about the level of play in a basic and using it to sling mud at me.
I don't like you asking it either.
What if the answer on the "why" question is that Void is planning on doing something himself? You want him to claim that?
There's no good reason for Void to answer these questions and you should not be asking them.
He didn't have a scumread on Bigtraine, found me even more townie and yet when he posted his townreads he didn't include me. That gave me the impression that his town list was fabricated.
Your response was ok. I don't think there was more information to distract from you there.
About your T/S list: why did you not include any of the predecessors in your reads of players apart from mine?
I disagree with your Kosa meta read. I've seen him lurk as town and he makes it no secret that he loves being scum.
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Mostly as they didn't factor a lot into my decisions. Kpaca and Azur had less than ten posts. Zemanjaski helped to contribute to my leaning town view on Wheat.
Can you point me to a game where Kosa was lurky as town? I don't know that I remember one.