No i am saying i made a mistake. A mistake does not equal a lie. There is a clause in my NLP that refers to mistakes for situations exactly like this one.
Section 1a of my NLP states there has to be intent for it to be a lie. There was no intent to decieve here, I honestly believed my ability would let me use it twice.
On the plus side for you, to clarify my slip up I also ended up claiming the details of my mimic ability.That should be wprth somethjng.
Iso, I'm not sure whether to ignore you or ridicule you. I guess my first preference would be to lynch you, but I would rather not try without evidence.
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You're the dude who just lies a lot and makes people hate you and then magically becomes town later, right?
So I've claimed my wincon, and 3 of my 4 abilities. (Mimic, mask trading, mask database)
Might as well go for broke. My 4th ability is called inside info, and it basically is just the knowledge that more masks than the 25 listed here will be made available as the game progresses.
My true mask is the Don Gero's Mask, and I will either pick it up this round or force whoever does to trade it with me tonight.
The ability on the FDM, the one shot kill, I do not know if this is a regular ability that anyone can use or a true mask superpower. It could be either. I only know the ability is attached to the mask.
And I hate posting from my phone.
Can someone please popcorn me so I can grab my mask now?
Iso, I'm not sure whether to ignore you or ridicule you. I guess my first preference would be to lynch you, but I would rather not try without evidence.
Good thing you'll never get the chance to lynch me!
Might as well go for broke. My 4th ability is called inside info, and it basically is just the knowledge that more masks than the 25 listed here will be made available as the game progresses.
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Scum can't really snag the FDM without outing themselves. We can easily wait a day or two, have someone pick it up day 2 or 3, and then use it on the first lynch target of the day, giving us the double lynch when we want it. The whole 'strong town take it' is WIFOMy as hell and doesn't provide much upside over saving FDM and using it as a double lynch once we are more settled into the game.
/barn. If there are clauses in the game rules to deal with what happens when a play can't pick a mask, then that tells me that we will be going through masks fairly regularly -- enough that while it may not ever actually happen, there is still a strong enough chance of it happening to put it in the rules for the game.
@Zinger: can your mask switcheroo ability be used any time, or only at Night?
Pending the reply, I think that AGod has the right of how to deal with FDM -- we hold it off for now and then arrange (either via Zinger trading the FDM or elsewise) for one of the more strongly town players to acquire it to use as a 2nd lynch. Being able to double-up on lynches seems very important in a game based around the concept of time.
My role is very complex and I'm still trying to figure some of it out. My apologies if I make errors in what I say as I do so.
+props to Zinger. I believe him when he says that this was a mistake, and I agree with Iso that Asenion looks poor for trying to push Zinger on it. While I still don't trust Zinger completely, I agree that we should theoretically have at least 2-3 days before we need to worry about him. Perhaps there's a rolecop mask or some such that we can use to determine the veracity of his wincon.
Scum can't really snag the FDM without outing themselves. We can easily wait a day or two, have someone pick it up day 2 or 3, and then use it on the first lynch target of the day, giving us the double lynch when we want it. The whole 'strong town take it' is WIFOMy as hell and doesn't provide much upside over saving FDM and using it as a double lynch once we are more settled into the game.
You are way off base. The scum can't do anything with the mask if we force them to do it today. It doesn't really matter who gets the mask, since by the time night 1 comes, its shot SHOULD be already used and therefor has neutralized the mask as a tell. Using behavior anaylsis on someone we forced to shoot is extremely terrible play. Hell, letting someone pick up the mask and not shoot today is extremely terrible play.
Scum can't really snag the FDM without outing themselves. We can easily wait a day or two, have someone pick it up day 2 or 3, and then use it on the first lynch target of the day, giving us the double lynch when we want it. The whole 'strong town take it' is WIFOMy as hell and doesn't provide much upside over saving FDM and using it as a double lynch once we are more settled into the game.
I'd much rather the mask be picked up in today's draft and used today. We have the most leeway today to make a mistake and we have the least information today. Getting a free lynch day 1 is a huge advantage the town cannot waste. Plus, i don't trust the pile of masks. There could be an ability that a player has to pick up a mask from the pile without drafting. I'd rather not wait and have something unexpected happen and lose control over something we have complete control over today.
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So I have this ability called Mimic. Basically when I put on a mask I copy its abilities so that if later I take off the mask or it is destroyed or whatever, I still retain the ability. This does not steal or remove the ability from the mask itself, just copies it for me. The wording on this is ambiguous and led me to believe that it would allow me to use the power of the FDM a second time. Mod just clarified for me that this is not the case. 1/shot abilities, while still able to be copied, can not be used twice due to this power. So I was wrong when I said I would be able to use the FDM ability twice. This new knowledge also means that masks with 1/shot abilities are much less useful for me than others, so I probably won't chase down the FDM after all.
The FDM action is a rapid action. What relevance is this? What is a rapid action anyway? I honestly didn't even register this as a thing until someone asked me if it was a rapid action. I'm not sure what this means. I don't think it ends the day unless rapid action means the day ends.
My role is very complex and I'm still trying to figure some of it out. My apologies if I make errors in what I say as I do so.
I call complete BS on this. It has been 4-5 days since Role PM's went out, and your still just now asking questions about your role? You using your lack of forwardness with the town as an excuse about your confusion now. You want the town's trust, yet you keep finding ways to make your role better and keep finding ways to show how untrustworthy you actually are.
My true mask is the Don Gero's Mask, and I will either pick it up this round or force whoever does to trade it with me tonight.
The ability on the FDM, the one shot kill, I do not know if this is a regular ability that anyone can use or a true mask superpower. It could be either. I only know the ability is attached to the mask.
And I hate posting from my phone.
Can someone please popcorn me so I can grab my mask now?
I highly encourage someone to pick up his mask in the draft. Then i highly encourage him to be a lynch for today. He is not acting in the town's best interest, and he is for sure lying to us at this point about the Deity mask. There is NO reason a player should ever have questions 5 days later about something he investigated other than pure laziness. Zinger instead is so worried about the town writing him off as a helpful neutral he has neglected to properly ask questions any town-aligned player should would and could 5 days ago.
/barn. If there are clauses in the game rules to deal with what happens when a play can't pick a mask, then that tells me that we will be going through masks fairly regularly -- enough that while it may not ever actually happen, there is still a strong enough chance of it happening to put it in the rules for the game.
@Zinger: can your mask switcheroo ability be used any time, or only at Night?
Pending the reply, I think that AGod has the right of how to deal with FDM -- we hold it off for now and then arrange (either via Zinger trading the FDM or elsewise) for one of the more strongly town players to acquire it to use as a 2nd lynch. Being able to double-up on lynches seems very important in a game based around the concept of time.
Wrong. We can't trust a lying neutral to do what the town wants. We need to have someone take the mask today and use it as a 2nd lynch today. Later might not work and later might put it out of the hands of the town.
+props to Zinger. I believe him when he says that this was a mistake, and I agree with Iso that Asenion looks poor for trying to push Zinger on it. While I still don't trust Zinger completely, I agree that we should theoretically have at least 2-3 days before we need to worry about him. Perhaps there's a rolecop mask or some such that we can use to determine the veracity of his wincon.
Why are you supporting Zinger in his lying? Zinger should be ignored and possibly lynched today for his continual lies, not given a free pass because he can't properly explain questions he should have had answers to days ago.
If people continue to think that the deity mask can be saved or used later, i don't even know what to say at this point. It is still comical that the obvious town line of play was not mentioned by the entire game. Comical, yet sad because it makes me realize how hard this game really is gonna be now. I'd call everyone who didn't suggest it scum, but i can't call the whole game scum. I think Iso is the only player who should have known this obvious line of play yet didn't, but i'm not sure if its a tell for him anyway.
How am I off base? A day 2 double lynch is stronger than a day 1 double lynch. I doubt the scum can make off with the mask with no repercussions before day 2. Getting a round of night actions will aid the analysis for our double lynch.
Arcadic, I just got around to asking role questions yesterday. Why aren't you coming after me for it?
I have current scum suspects. I did name them. Other people also have suspects I would be willing to pressure. I'm on my phone and not looking at the player list, but Void, iRebel, Generic, Lizard, and others are ahead of me in overall suspicion.
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You're the dude who just lies a lot and makes people hate you and then magically becomes town later, right?
How am I off base? A day 2 double lynch is stronger than a day 1 double lynch. I doubt the scum can make off with the mask with no repercussions before day 2. Getting a round of night actions will aid the analysis for our double lynch.
You doubt. Do you know for certain? Doubt is a reasonable reason to do something today before it gets out of our hands.
Also, 2 lynched day 2 is almost exactly the same as 2 lynches day 1. We get information from the first lynch today. Which we should get as long as Zinger isn't the first lynch today.
Being sure of a result is much better than getting slightly better information.
/barn. If there are clauses in the game rules to deal with what happens when a play can't pick a mask, then that tells me that we will be going through masks fairly regularly -- enough that while it may not ever actually happen, there is still a strong enough chance of it happening to put it in the rules for the game.
@Zinger: can your mask switcheroo ability be used any time, or only at Night?
Pending the reply, I think that AGod has the right of how to deal with FDM -- we hold it off for now and then arrange (either via Zinger trading the FDM or elsewise) for one of the more strongly town players to acquire it to use as a 2nd lynch. Being able to double-up on lynches seems very important in a game based around the concept of time.
Wrong. We can't trust a lying neutral to do what the town wants. We need to have someone take the mask today and use it as a 2nd lynch today. Later might not work and later might put it out of the hands of the town.
+props to Zinger. I believe him when he says that this was a mistake, and I agree with Iso that Asenion looks poor for trying to push Zinger on it. While I still don't trust Zinger completely, I agree that we should theoretically have at least 2-3 days before we need to worry about him. Perhaps there's a rolecop mask or some such that we can use to determine the veracity of his wincon.
Why are you supporting Zinger in his lying? Zinger should be ignored and possibly lynched today for his continual lies, not given a free pass because he can't properly explain questions he should have had answers to days ago.
If people continue to think that the deity mask can be saved or used later, i don't even know what to say at this point. It is still comical that the obvious town line of play was not mentioned by the entire game. Comical, yet sad because it makes me realize how hard this game really is gonna be now. I'd call everyone who didn't suggest it scum, but i can't call the whole game scum. I think Iso is the only player who should have known this obvious line of play yet didn't, but i'm not sure if its a tell for him anyway.
More later, gotta get some work done.
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Explain your point of view to me as if I'm 5 (because in Mafia terms I am). I fail to see two things:
1. How using the FDM on Day 1 as a double lynch is better than using it on Day 2 for the same purpose.
2. How you are certain that Zinger is lying, and is in fact anti-town.
Arcadic, I just got around to asking role questions yesterday. Why aren't you coming after me for it?
I have current scum suspects. I did name them. Other people also have suspects I would be willing to pressure. I'm on my phone and not looking at the player list, but Void, iRebel, Generic, Lizard, and others are ahead of me in overall suspicion.
Because you didn't claim Neutral in thread, then claimed you'd help the town, then kept revealing secrets and changing your role because you got asked questions you didn't have answers for. You also don't have a result from one of your abilities that you claimed to know everything about and waffled on for 5 days before revealing "i'm only pretty sure, don't be mad i'm still a town asset!"
He is using the mod as an excuse for lying to us. He can't be trusted and should be dealt with accordingly.
Explain your point of view to me as if I'm 5 (because in Mafia terms I am). I fail to see two things:
1. How using the FDM on Day 1 as a double lynch is better than using it on Day 2 for the same purpose.
2. How you are certain that Zinger is lying, and is in fact anti-town.
1. Because this is a PCQ high powered game. The only way we can be CERTAIN the shot is used for the towns benefit is to use it today. Leaving it on the ground tonight isn't an option. Having someone hold it all day isn't an option. We need to use it before it can possibly be manipulated out of our hands by scum/Zinger.
2. I am certain Zinger is anti-town. He's a claimed neutral.
I am certain Zinger is lying, because of his complete lack of certainty in anything he continues to add to his claim. I'm certain he is lying because of his lack certainty about the Deity mask.
@Iso's wall o' Text #34905840:
I don't like little lizard because his posting doesn't feel too natural to me. There's something fabricated about I can't fully explain. i'll try to re-read.
Might as well go for broke. My 4th ability is called inside info, and it basically is just the knowledge that more masks than the 25 listed here will be made available as the game progresses.
More masks than are in Majora's Mask?
Since you've never played Majora's Mask, Iso, let me clear up what this means. The following two masks are draftable:
22) Sun's Mask
23) Moon's Mask
They make an appearance in the game, but they are not obtainable in a sense that they go in your inventory and you can wear them. They are used by NPCs in a side quest for a wedding, and obtaining them grants you the Couple's Mask, which is NOT LISTED (there are 24 obtainable masks in the game, the fact that the couple's mask was broken up into its pieces explains why there are 25).
Not only that, when you defeat bosses, you obtain a mask containing their essence, as 'proof' of victory. They are not worn, but sit in your quest-status subscreen. Moreover, when you finally go inside of the moon, there are 5 children - 4 of them wear the various aforementioned boss masks and the 5th wears majora's mask I would not be surprised if boss masks became available for grabs in light of Zinger's newly listed ability. That, and Majora's Mask is still not listed.
(the four bosses being Odolwa, Goht, Gyorg and Twinmold)
Finally, and this maybe an incredibly far stretch, but there were masks visible on the Happy Mask Salesman's backpack which are non-entities throughout the game - merely there for display, but I would not rule them out entirely yet (but it's probably not very likely that this will occur).
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Also anyone wanting to kill the Happy Mask Salesman looks suspicious to me because he's a centerpiece to the game; both in mafia and the N64 catridge. If we find scum and more importantly if we out Majora we can essentially screw over a huge ton fraction of scum plans by abusing Zinger's powers to give town benefits of extra masks for essentially free before lynching them, which is more beneficial than simply lynching them.
Something tells me that if someone such crazy abilities as Zinger leaves once Majora is dead and he has masks, that Majora is a huge priority target to take out. Maybe I'm modgaming a bit too hard here but whoever has that role sounds like really bad news. It's only a prediction but I have a certain way with intuition.
Trust me, as shady as Zinger is acting, he still wants to win, so he's still more valuable to Town as alive.
@Jey: I disagree. Not based on any modgaming or role questions or anything about the theoretical nature of a neutral. The way Zinger offered all that powa to AG just to get a chance at getting a little closer to his win-con shows that he is not pro-town. His abilities could be useful to the town, but he isn't trustworthy. He will happily and often do things that will hurt us and then try to hide behind "but look at all the shinies I can offer!"
Zinger should be vig shot or Diety stomped. It's not worth a lynch when we have a claimed way to rid ourselves of him that doesn't waste a day. It solves our neutral problem nicely, eh?
I'm pretty sure all of this speculation to him killed ASAP is tightening the leash adequately to get him to realize that he can't get away with much of his behavior and will start cooperating much better. He even revealed his (apparently) last ability through all of the fuss.
Zinger should be vig shot or Diety stomped. It's not worth a lynch when we have a claimed way to rid ourselves of him that doesn't waste a day. It solves our neutral problem nicely, eh?
I'm pretty sure all of this speculation to him killed ASAP is tightening the leash adequately to get him to realize that he can't get away with much of his behavior and will start cooperating much better. He even revealed his (apparently) last ability through all of the fuss.
Give him some time to learn.
Zinger isn't exactly new to mafia he doesn't need time to learn.
Also, it's not about learning, it's about the fact that he has already proved he will gladly hinder the town for his win con. If he only needs one more ability and we've managed to lynch Majora he would gladly hand over the town on a silver platter to ze scum get that last mask ability he needs.
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Also, I'm actually fine with Iso having the FDM. I'm a little troubled by what he said earlier about he has another use for it aside from as a second lynch, but I guess we'll see what he means, since I think he would have explained it if he was intending to.
I was kinda hoping it would be relayed that I was drafting and then I suddenly picked up two masks and everyone would be like 'wat' but I guess that's no longer a thing =P
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Iso, right click image and 'copy image url', paste into browser. I will come up, and start working properly. On that note, Arian, in the future Tripod doesn't like hot-linking. Use something else.
Thanks for encouragement =D I'll try to make the best of my situation.
Asenion has also neglected to answer me. Asenion, read the OP regarding what happens when a player does not have a mask. Believe me, Seppel, it's tempting.
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Iso I will respond to you in a few hours... Still at work
The way Rapid Action functions, I would think it is entirely possible to kill someone in the Draft phase.
Tar used 25? Masks for a reason (zinger stating not all masks are present confirms) he also said Day 0 for the draft phase.
Seppel, that's what you get for choosing such a vanilla mask...
Question - does Void usually make himself appear universally town as the game goes on?
No i am saying i made a mistake. A mistake does not equal a lie. There is a clause in my NLP that refers to mistakes for situations exactly like this one.
Section 1a of my NLP states there has to be intent for it to be a lie. There was no intent to decieve here, I honestly believed my ability would let me use it twice.
On the plus side for you, to clarify my slip up I also ended up claiming the details of my mimic ability.That should be wprth somethjng.
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Might as well go for broke. My 4th ability is called inside info, and it basically is just the knowledge that more masks than the 25 listed here will be made available as the game progresses.
My true mask is the Don Gero's Mask, and I will either pick it up this round or force whoever does to trade it with me tonight.
The ability on the FDM, the one shot kill, I do not know if this is a regular ability that anyone can use or a true mask superpower. It could be either. I only know the ability is attached to the mask.
And I hate posting from my phone.
Can someone please popcorn me so I can grab my mask now?
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More masks than are in Majora's Mask?
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/barn. If there are clauses in the game rules to deal with what happens when a play can't pick a mask, then that tells me that we will be going through masks fairly regularly -- enough that while it may not ever actually happen, there is still a strong enough chance of it happening to put it in the rules for the game.
@Zinger: can your mask switcheroo ability be used any time, or only at Night?
Pending the reply, I think that AGod has the right of how to deal with FDM -- we hold it off for now and then arrange (either via Zinger trading the FDM or elsewise) for one of the more strongly town players to acquire it to use as a 2nd lynch. Being able to double-up on lynches seems very important in a game based around the concept of time.
+props to Zinger. I believe him when he says that this was a mistake, and I agree with Iso that Asenion looks poor for trying to push Zinger on it. While I still don't trust Zinger completely, I agree that we should theoretically have at least 2-3 days before we need to worry about him. Perhaps there's a rolecop mask or some such that we can use to determine the veracity of his wincon.
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You are way off base. The scum can't do anything with the mask if we force them to do it today. It doesn't really matter who gets the mask, since by the time night 1 comes, its shot SHOULD be already used and therefor has neutralized the mask as a tell. Using behavior anaylsis on someone we forced to shoot is extremely terrible play. Hell, letting someone pick up the mask and not shoot today is extremely terrible play.
I'd much rather the mask be picked up in today's draft and used today. We have the most leeway today to make a mistake and we have the least information today. Getting a free lynch day 1 is a huge advantage the town cannot waste. Plus, i don't trust the pile of masks. There could be an ability that a player has to pick up a mask from the pile without drafting. I'd rather not wait and have something unexpected happen and lose control over something we have complete control over today.
Magicarp used slash. It had no effect.
I call complete BS on this. It has been 4-5 days since Role PM's went out, and your still just now asking questions about your role? You using your lack of forwardness with the town as an excuse about your confusion now. You want the town's trust, yet you keep finding ways to make your role better and keep finding ways to show how untrustworthy you actually are.
I highly encourage someone to pick up his mask in the draft. Then i highly encourage him to be a lynch for today. He is not acting in the town's best interest, and he is for sure lying to us at this point about the Deity mask. There is NO reason a player should ever have questions 5 days later about something he investigated other than pure laziness. Zinger instead is so worried about the town writing him off as a helpful neutral he has neglected to properly ask questions any town-aligned player should would and could 5 days ago.
Wrong. We can't trust a lying neutral to do what the town wants. We need to have someone take the mask today and use it as a 2nd lynch today. Later might not work and later might put it out of the hands of the town.
Why are you supporting Zinger in his lying? Zinger should be ignored and possibly lynched today for his continual lies, not given a free pass because he can't properly explain questions he should have had answers to days ago.
If people continue to think that the deity mask can be saved or used later, i don't even know what to say at this point. It is still comical that the obvious town line of play was not mentioned by the entire game. Comical, yet sad because it makes me realize how hard this game really is gonna be now. I'd call everyone who didn't suggest it scum, but i can't call the whole game scum. I think Iso is the only player who should have known this obvious line of play yet didn't, but i'm not sure if its a tell for him anyway.
More later, gotta get some work done.
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Why are you unlynchable today? Who is more scummy than you that demands a lynch today. Name names.
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I have current scum suspects. I did name them. Other people also have suspects I would be willing to pressure. I'm on my phone and not looking at the player list, but Void, iRebel, Generic, Lizard, and others are ahead of me in overall suspicion.
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You doubt. Do you know for certain? Doubt is a reasonable reason to do something today before it gets out of our hands.
Also, 2 lynched day 2 is almost exactly the same as 2 lynches day 1. We get information from the first lynch today. Which we should get as long as Zinger isn't the first lynch today.
Being sure of a result is much better than getting slightly better information.
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I'm terribly sorry that I'm not as skilled at the game as you are. Excuse me while I crawl into a hole and pull some dirt over my head.
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Explain your point of view to me as if I'm 5 (because in Mafia terms I am). I fail to see two things:
1. How using the FDM on Day 1 as a double lynch is better than using it on Day 2 for the same purpose.
2. How you are certain that Zinger is lying, and is in fact anti-town.
Because you didn't claim Neutral in thread, then claimed you'd help the town, then kept revealing secrets and changing your role because you got asked questions you didn't have answers for. You also don't have a result from one of your abilities that you claimed to know everything about and waffled on for 5 days before revealing "i'm only pretty sure, don't be mad i'm still a town asset!"
He is using the mod as an excuse for lying to us. He can't be trusted and should be dealt with accordingly.
My wife was on MTV with this video.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BUutIZg2EpU
1. Because this is a PCQ high powered game. The only way we can be CERTAIN the shot is used for the towns benefit is to use it today. Leaving it on the ground tonight isn't an option. Having someone hold it all day isn't an option. We need to use it before it can possibly be manipulated out of our hands by scum/Zinger.
2. I am certain Zinger is anti-town. He's a claimed neutral.
I am certain Zinger is lying, because of his complete lack of certainty in anything he continues to add to his claim. I'm certain he is lying because of his lack certainty about the Deity mask.
My wife was on MTV with this video.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BUutIZg2EpU
Please explain your read on me.
I don't like little lizard because his posting doesn't feel too natural to me. There's something fabricated about I can't fully explain. i'll try to re-read.
Since you've never played Majora's Mask, Iso, let me clear up what this means. The following two masks are draftable:
22) Sun's Mask
23) Moon's Mask
They make an appearance in the game, but they are not obtainable in a sense that they go in your inventory and you can wear them. They are used by NPCs in a side quest for a wedding, and obtaining them grants you the Couple's Mask, which is NOT LISTED (there are 24 obtainable masks in the game, the fact that the couple's mask was broken up into its pieces explains why there are 25).
Not only that, when you defeat bosses, you obtain a mask containing their essence, as 'proof' of victory. They are not worn, but sit in your quest-status subscreen. Moreover, when you finally go inside of the moon, there are 5 children - 4 of them wear the various aforementioned boss masks and the 5th wears majora's mask I would not be surprised if boss masks became available for grabs in light of Zinger's newly listed ability. That, and Majora's Mask is still not listed.
(the four bosses being Odolwa, Goht, Gyorg and Twinmold)
Finally, and this maybe an incredibly far stretch, but there were masks visible on the Happy Mask Salesman's backpack which are non-entities throughout the game - merely there for display, but I would not rule them out entirely yet (but it's probably not very likely that this will occur).
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I asked you to explain why you were unwilling to comment on Arcadic's post.
Pretty straightforward request.
@Arcadic: I have my reasons for not initially pursuing the "Daykill as a second lynch" option. I'm sure they'll become apparent eventually.
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
Something tells me that if someone such crazy abilities as Zinger leaves once Majora is dead and he has masks, that Majora is a huge priority target to take out. Maybe I'm modgaming a bit too hard here but whoever has that role sounds like really bad news. It's only a prediction but I have a certain way with intuition.
Trust me, as shady as Zinger is acting, he still wants to win, so he's still more valuable to Town as alive.
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We are better off just killing Zinger asap.
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Give him some time to learn.
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Zinger isn't exactly new to mafia he doesn't need time to learn.
Also, it's not about learning, it's about the fact that he has already proved he will gladly hinder the town for his win con. If he only needs one more ability and we've managed to lynch Majora he would gladly hand over the town on a silver platter to ze scum get that last mask ability he needs.
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Zinger needs to live. NLP be damned. He has to kill a scum to win. Unless Majora is somehow a townie. And if so WHOEVER IS MAJORA NEEDS TO CLAIM NOW.
Flashback to fun with Voxx.
In other news, iRebel is scum. Delicious false dichotomy.
I'm pretty sure this is a town Generic.
Also we have a town Iso.
Take: Romani Mask
Popcorn to Iso.
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
Currently Drafting:
6) JeY k
Has Not Drafted:
1) Void
2) The Most Curious Thing
3) Ghosting
4) Guardian
7) Asenion
8) Gifts Trix
9) iRebel
11) Zinger2099
12) little lizard
13) Prophlyaxis
14) Arianrhod
15) Arcadic
16) Digi
18) Generic
Unworn Masks:
1) Deku Mask
2) Goron Mask
3) Zora Mask
4) Blast Mask
5) Bremen Mask
6) Kafei's Mask
7) Bunny Hood
8) Mask of Scents
9) Kamaro Mask
10) Don Gero's Mask
11) Stone Mask
12) All-Night Mask
13) Keaton Mask
14) Postman's Hat
16) Mask of Truth
17) Captain's Hat
18) Gibdo Mask
19) Garo's Mask
20) Circus Leader's Mask
21) Great Fairy's Mask
22) Sun's Mask
23) Moon's Mask
Seppel has drafted the Romani Mask.
Iso has autodrafted the Fierce Deity's Mask.
JeY k may now pick up two (2) masks.
It is too late for the pebbles to vote."
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I was kinda hoping it would be relayed that I was drafting and then I suddenly picked up two masks and everyone would be like 'wat' but I guess that's no longer a thing =P
Take: Stone Mask
Take: Mask of Truth
Select: Arianrhod
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Select: Void
I hope I get to summon Na'vi and have her spam someone's inbox with PMs
I lol'd
I thought Void wanted to be selected toward the end.
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I did, Jey.
Take: Blast Mask
Select: Prophylaxis
Jey as confirmed town for double mask.
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
Not confirmed, but most def big townie points for it.
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{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
Is this Iso confirmed or do you actually have logic to back up this statement?
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
My cube: http://cubetutor.com/viewcube/9981
Please answer the below. You missed it when you last posted.
How else are we going to get regular supplies of milk and access to a sweet milk bar tho ;\
Iso, right click image and 'copy image url', paste into browser. I will come up, and start working properly. On that note, Arian, in the future Tripod doesn't like hot-linking. Use something else.
Thanks for encouragement =D I'll try to make the best of my situation.
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{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
I realize the complexity of this game, but a single Mafia player two masks on top of whatever else they may have may end up being over powerful.
I feel like my mask's superpower was a supernerf c_c
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The way Rapid Action functions, I would think it is entirely possible to kill someone in the Draft phase.
Tar used 25? Masks for a reason (zinger stating not all masks are present confirms) he also said Day 0 for the draft phase.
Seppel, that's what you get for choosing such a vanilla mask...
Question - does Void usually make himself appear universally town as the game goes on?
I am not comfortable with this level of modgaming.
You posted as if this information is confirmed. Would you please expand on why you're not comfortbale with what I posted.