Because it is the most powerful mask in the video game and it turns the boss fight into a complete joke if you have it.
It is not my True Mask, though I do have a True Mask. I am surprised to learn that some players have no True Mask. Fascinating.
I would like to get my hands on the Fierce Deity's Mask, personally. If I did, I would be totally willing to trade it away to someone without even using the one-shot ability. I just want to hold it for a little while. It would help my wincon.
How much information are you willing to share about your role? Because this post tells me a lot about the potential abilities you have.
I have played the game and I was figuring you'd say something like that. I wanted to see if you would say something other than that though.
I am surprised at Iso not having a True Mask as well when you of all people have a True Mask. If anything, you wouldn't, or shouldn't have a True Mask other than Majora's Mask according to the flavor... Do you see what I am getting at?
I am willing to share almost anything about my role, especially if it will help me win which I think it will.
My true mask is not Majora's Mask. My True Mask is on the list of unworn masks, and Majora's Mask is not on that list.
That doesn't mean Majora's Mask is not in this game. I heavily suspect that the list of masks is not complete...yet.
It pinged mine because I thought it was weird someone would want to go with the flavor.
Has Gifts played mafia on this site before? I'm still trying to work out how to navigate players' profiles, older games, current games, etc.
I'd actually appreciate some help lol.
Only ever played mafia on this site. Currently in this game, Marvel and Dr. P. To find games I was in before that it would be during my 5 year hiatus. So to make it easier on peeps looking here are the 5 most recent completed games I was in
First of all, this game is much more complicated than I anticipated. I'm still wrapping my head around optimal play. The complexity seems entirely front loaded though, so it should be smooth sailing once we get a little ways in.
Second, we should not be automating the mask draft process. We should be using this discussion time. Time is a precious resource in this game which is not to be squandered.
Third, I would like some discussion on the pros and cons of choosing our own special mask on the first Day. Is this something players should be doing, or not?
This sounds so forced and self aware.
Forced I can understand, but can you elaborate on what you mean exactly by "self aware" and what it means to you?
Because it is the most powerful mask in the video game and it turns the boss fight into a complete joke if you have it.
It is not my True Mask, though I do have a True Mask. I am surprised to learn that some players have no True Mask. Fascinating.
I would like to get my hands on the Fierce Deity's Mask, personally. If I did, I would be totally willing to trade it away to someone without even using the one-shot ability. I just want to hold it for a little while. It would help my wincon.
How much information are you willing to share about your role? Because this post tells me a lot about the potential abilities you have.
I have played the game and I was figuring you'd say something like that. I wanted to see if you would say something other than that though.
I am surprised at Iso not having a True Mask as well when you of all people have a True Mask. If anything, you wouldn't, or shouldn't have a True Mask other than Majora's Mask according to the flavor... Do you see what I am getting at?
I am willing to share almost anything about my role, especially if it will help me win which I think it will.
My true mask is not Majora's Mask. My True Mask is on the list of unworn masks, and Majora's Mask is not on that list.
That doesn't mean Majora's Mask is not in this game. I heavily suspect that the list of masks is not complete...yet.
Obligatory why?
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I don't have any hard numbers on this, but I'm targeted more often than a black guy driving a beat-up sedan with a broken tail-light and no license plate, and Cy's well aware of that.
First of all, this game is much more complicated than I anticipated. I'm still wrapping my head around optimal play. The complexity seems entirely front loaded though, so it should be smooth sailing once we get a little ways in.
Second, we should not be automating the mask draft process. We should be using this discussion time. Time is a precious resource in this game which is not to be squandered.
Third, I would like some discussion on the pros and cons of choosing our own special mask on the first Day. Is this something players should be doing, or not?
This sounds so forced and self aware.
I've been thinking about my opening post all day. We have limited time in this game, so I'm planning things out in advance. I'm not sure what is "forced" about it, I'm trying to figure out how best to utilize the set-up. It is self-aware though, as I am revealing my current mindset as I see it.
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You're the dude who just lies a lot and makes people hate you and then magically becomes town later, right?
Because it is the most powerful mask in the video game and it turns the boss fight into a complete joke if you have it.
It is not my True Mask, though I do have a True Mask. I am surprised to learn that some players have no True Mask. Fascinating.
I would like to get my hands on the Fierce Deity's Mask, personally. If I did, I would be totally willing to trade it away to someone without even using the one-shot ability. I just want to hold it for a little while. It would help my wincon.
How much information are you willing to share about your role? Because this post tells me a lot about the potential abilities you have.
I have played the game and I was figuring you'd say something like that. I wanted to see if you would say something other than that though.
I am surprised at Iso not having a True Mask as well when you of all people have a True Mask. If anything, you wouldn't, or shouldn't have a True Mask other than Majora's Mask according to the flavor... Do you see what I am getting at?
I am willing to share almost anything about my role, especially if it will help me win which I think it will.
My true mask is not Majora's Mask. My True Mask is on the list of unworn masks, and Majora's Mask is not on that list.
That doesn't mean Majora's Mask is not in this game. I heavily suspect that the list of masks is not complete...yet.
Obligatory why?
Because my role PM says so.
It's fair to say that I know more about masks than anyone else in the game.
Lots of white noise in this thread... And it exploded while I wasn't paying attention c_c
So, in reference to the sign-up thread and ever before Zinger's claim was posted, I -really-wanted Fierce Deity's mask but maaaaaaybe that isn't the best idea anymore! I'd still want it for Novelty's sake if anything really, couldn't care less about the ability =P
I actually like the idea of everyone personally sorting the masks (ALL OF THEM) in rank from most wanted to least wanted for efficiency purposes, but maybe posting that list isn't the best choice (just keep it to yourself). If something you wanted gets snagged cross it off and move the rest of your list up.
I have a True Mask as well, though I don't think revealing that prematurely serves any benefits and I sincerely believe there will be no benefits to drafting the mask of your true mask. Unless Zinger wants to say otherwise?
I think people should tell me what mask they'd most like me to reveal the details of next. In the end I'll just look at whichever one I want to, but it might be helpful for your guyses scumhunting to know who wants which masks identified.
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I actually almost want to stay in Mask Draft D1 indefinitely and play this game at our own pace.
Looking at the rules, it only seems that this Draft will allow us for enough lee way as the others require players to immediately pick up a mask.
I'm actually going to disagree. While there may be non-zero advantage to using the time as you outline I think it takes away form the flavor of the game. I'm excited about interacting within the time limits and juggling day/night ability analysis while under constraints. We can always discuss appropriateness of the draft under day 1.
TMCT, you aren't thinking outside the box. There's a potential for a lot of information to be gained. Not that it would be easy to parse that information.
Throwing around the idea that a Fierce Diety True Wearer should claim now that the Mask's Power has already been claimed. Vigilantes in my experience are usually not accurate.
I am happy that the way the game is set up it jumps right into discussion.
/barn this. No automating; I find the call to automate somewhat suspect, personally.
Well, seeing as we don't know what the masks DO yet, I don't see why we wouldn't just pick a mask we think might have a decent ability (or our True Mask, if we have one) and then go down the list. There's no sense in dragging it out. I want to get to the game.
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I have no special (true?) mask so the third point is irrelevant to me. That said I'd be inclined to say yes to taking true masks if possible, but not publicising it. The fact the Mod includes a list of destroyed masks seems to indicate there may be an ability to destroy one or multiple masks, and if that is true, we don't want townies claiming their true mask out of a possibility of scum having the mask destroying ability.
This raises a question.
Zinger, what happens if one of the masks you need is destroyed?
Unrelated, with Zinger's information I thought we could make the second scummiest player take that mask and and declare a public shot and force the scum to do something about it.
I actually almost want to stay in Mask Draft D1 indefinitely and play this game at our own pace.
Looking at the rules, it only seems that this Draft will allow us for enough lee way as the others require players to immediately pick up a mask.
I'm actually going to disagree. While there may be non-zero advantage to using the time as you outline I think it takes away form the flavor of the game. I'm excited about interacting within the time limits and juggling day/night ability analysis while under constraints. We can always discuss appropriateness of the draft under day 1.
Did this post ping anyone else's scumdar? Cos it pinged mine a smidge.
No.
So, if lizard is scum, iRebel is almost definitely his buddy - though iRebel can be scum independent of lizard.
It pinged mine because I thought it was weird someone would want to go with the flavor.
Has Gifts played mafia on this site before? I'm still trying to work out how to navigate players' profiles, older games, current games, etc.
Because it is the most powerful mask in the video game and it turns the boss fight into a complete joke if you have it.
It is not my True Mask, though I do have a True Mask. I am surprised to learn that some players have no True Mask. Fascinating.
I would like to get my hands on the Fierce Deity's Mask, personally. If I did, I would be totally willing to trade it away to someone without even using the one-shot ability. I just want to hold it for a little while. It would help my wincon.
Gifts post about wasting our draft time is clearly a scummy action, but I feel like he's legitimately coming from a stand point of thinking it would be more fun and "flavorful" to do that. So while it's anti-town behavior, it might be explained by his personality. Something to watch though.
Because it is the most powerful mask in the video game and it turns the boss fight into a complete joke if you have it.
It is not my True Mask, though I do have a True Mask. I am surprised to learn that some players have no True Mask. Fascinating.
I would like to get my hands on the Fierce Deity's Mask, personally. If I did, I would be totally willing to trade it away to someone without even using the one-shot ability. I just want to hold it for a little while. It would help my wincon.
How much information are you willing to share about your role? Because this post tells me a lot about the potential abilities you have.
I have played the game and I was figuring you'd say something like that. I wanted to see if you would say something other than that though.
I am surprised at Iso not having a True Mask as well when you of all people have a True Mask. If anything, you wouldn't, or shouldn't have a True Mask other than Majora's Mask according to the flavor... Do you see what I am getting at?
You think that the Mask Salesman's true mask should be Majora's? Why's that?
First of all, this game is much more complicated than I anticipated. I'm still wrapping my head around optimal play. The complexity seems entirely front loaded though, so it should be smooth sailing once we get a little ways in.
Second, we should not be automating the mask draft process. We should be using this discussion time. Time is a precious resource in this game which is not to be squandered.
Third, I would like some discussion on the pros and cons of choosing our own special mask on the first Day. Is this something players should be doing, or not?
Lots of white noise in this thread... And it exploded while I wasn't paying attention c_c
So, in reference to the sign-up thread and ever before Zinger's claim was posted, I -really-wanted Fierce Deity's mask but maaaaaaybe that isn't the best idea anymore! I'd still want it for Novelty's sake if anything really, couldn't care less about the ability =P
I actually like the idea of everyone personally sorting the masks (ALL OF THEM) in rank from most wanted to least wanted for efficiency purposes, but maybe posting that list isn't the best choice (just keep it to yourself). If something you wanted gets snagged cross it off and move the rest of your list up.
I have a True Mask as well, though I don't think revealing that prematurely serves any benefits and I sincerely believe there will be no benefits to drafting the mask of your true mask. Unless Zinger wants to say otherwise?
White noise? You've been reading the thread, right?
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@Iso: I've honestly never seen or heard of someone being called "aware" in a mafia game. I have no idea what they mean by that. Is it bad to be aware, good, what perspective does it imply etc. etc.
KCC is pretty good at thinking 10 steps ahead in set-up analysis. I'm on the train of thought that by the end of the mask draft, I want to have a plan that lasts me a while. I could use some help with it right now.
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You're the dude who just lies a lot and makes people hate you and then magically becomes town later, right?
@Iso: I've honestly never seen or heard of someone being called "aware" in a mafia game. I have no idea what they mean by that. Is it bad to be aware, good, what perspective does it imply etc. etc.
Being self-aware implies that you're not posting naturally and that you have something to hide by being cagey about what you post.
KCC is pretty good at thinking 10 steps ahead in set-up analysis. I'm on the train of thought that by the end of the mask draft, I want to have a plan that lasts me a while. I could use some help with it right now.
I'd be interested in hearing your plan. Or discussing it with you. Whichever.
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@Iso
I read maybe a bit faster than I should have, but to me it looked like a bunch of people derping over A: Zinger, B: Mechanics and specifics and weird things. Sorting mechanics seems null, but your post points out thaaaat it's a little more involved. Maybe I'm still bad at this game after all. Gosh darn it.
Lemme start with known info.
1. We know some players have true masks which grand them an additional ability if they have a specific mask.
2. We have a claimed player who can move masks around.
3. We know there is a Vig mask already out there.
Right now I'm thinking that we may want to save the vig shot and deny anyone the right to use it until the town needs a double lynch. I would guess the vig mask's true wearer becomes an unlimited shot vig, so maybe we give it to him and let him shoot. It's unlikely the mafia would have an unlimited shot vig on their team, so he's likely town if he shoots multiple times. (This is obviously vulnerable to roleblocks.)
I think people can probably draft whatever masks they want toDay, because the masks are probably going to shuffle quite a bit and we have at least one way we know of to move the masks if we need to, assuming Zinger cooperates on threat of lynch.
On the other hand, putting more power in everyone's hands by drafting True masks is more likely to help the Town than the scum and I personally feel that making players accountable for Night actions helps with analysis. Players can't admit to drafting their true masks though because that would make them a target for scum mask destruction/removal abilities... And that hinders the accountability aspect.
I think my current opinion is that the vig mask should remain unused for the moment and most players should draft non-true masks. People can draft true masks secretly at their own discretion if they feel like risking losing their power. The other option is to have everyone immediately claim and draft their true mask so the scum cannot pick us off a few at a time. I'm tentatively ok with this as well, although it opens up some risks.
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You're the dude who just lies a lot and makes people hate you and then magically becomes town later, right?
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tl;dr: Probably shouldn't talk about what masks we are taking unless we are doing a True Mask claim toDay. Vig shot shouldn't get used till we have a reason to.
I can do... stuff which supports these lines of action. There should be a lot of Night action analysis this game.
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You're the dude who just lies a lot and makes people hate you and then magically becomes town later, right?
Iso, already you have my back up because I've seen this before with you.
what
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Jey just made a post wherby she tried to lay down foundations for taking the fierce deity mask, which although I have absolutely no idea about the game by the reactions of others in this game seems like this is a big deal mask, and also makes some very forced 'oops, missed that rule' posts and you clear her as town?
This is Jey's town game.
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I agreed with your issues with asension though, and can someone (preferably lizard) please explain that planned idea of giving the second scummiest player a vig shot to use cos that made no sense to me at all.
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@Zinger: If you could choose which Masks to investigate, why didn't you investigate your True Mask?
I think JeY town slipped hard with the true mask derp.
I think lizard and Generic are scum. lizard's first post is dangerously close to a point I made as Presidential Mafia (as scum) and Generic's dirt post is flat out terrible.
I'll post a bit more when I have access to a laptop.
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KCC is pretty good at thinking 10 steps ahead in set-up analysis. I'm on the train of thought that by the end of the mask draft, I want to have a plan that lasts me a while. I could use some help with it right now.
Since you seem to be working hard on setup analysis how, in your opinion, does Zinger's role change the game?
Jey just made a post wherby she tried to lay down foundations for taking the fierce deity mask, which although I have absolutely no idea about the game by the reactions of others in this game seems like this is a big deal mask, and also makes some very forced 'oops, missed that rule' posts and you clear her as town?
This is Jey's town game.
Well firstly, I know Jey quite well. Jey's old AIM avatar was Fierce Deity Link. Jey also stated in the sign-up thread that her favorite mask was Fierce Deity, in accordance with Taredas's request when everyone signed up.
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You know what I'm talking about, you grab the reigns on a game and if scum you are auto clearing your teammates while setting up suspicion amongst everyone else. We have been here before and you know it, just not on mtgs.
I'm pretty sure you've never seen me play as scum on MTGS. Your meta examples don't apply here.
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If that's jey only when she is town what is she like as mafia? Cos to me that seems like s free pass to do underhand things and then go 'oopsy, little old me is such a lane brain...'
Jey's only completed scum game is Famous Historical Figures Mafia. I suggest you take a look at it if you're going to continue to levy this accusation against me.
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I thought it was little lizard who suggested the idea, was that wrong?
Hmm.
Actually, I'm more interested in your thoughts on Jey right now.
Please tell me what exactly was so forced about Jey missing the "true mask" rule?
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I could show you a picture of me cosplaying Fierce Deity if you like. Sans Gardevoir, my absolute favorite character in all of video games. Also re-read sign-ups to see my appreciation for the thing. -shrug-
...My town game is that obvious to you guys now? ._. I'm never going to live a single day as scum ever again.
One of the downsides of these late night conversations is it tends to be 1-3 players speaking and arguing without contributions of the rest of the playerbase. Right now I'm finding it hard to read either Generic or Iso as they seem to just be sparring one another. It seems almost habitual.
I could show you a picture of me cosplaying Fierce Deity if you like. Sans Gardevoir, my absolute favorite character in all of video games. Also re-read sign-ups to see my appreciation for the thing. -shrug-
...My town game is that obvious to you guys now? ._. I'm never going to live a single day as scum ever again.
As cute as I'm sure you look jey, that won't be necessary.
That wasn't the forced part. It was the fierce deity comment. Finds out its power, makes a joke about not going for it but then will go for it anyway.
I am not going to laugh off someone vying for a vig shot cos it's their favourite when the vibe I'm getting is its s bloody powerful mask... Oh, I wonder why she loves it do much?
I'm pretty sure we went over this. So, why is that suspicious?
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And good for you ido, a drinking buddy is dropping in external to the game comments, as an outsider I'm entitled to take issue in something suspicious at face value.
You can't berate me for external to mtgs meta used on you then berate me for finding jey suspicious when your defense for her is external to mtvs meta.
I could show you a picture of me cosplaying Fierce Deity if you like.
I thought about mentioning that but I wasn't sure if you were willing to share the picture and didn't want people clamouring for you to show it if you didn't want to.
I raised a comment that concerned me. Iso proceeded to debunk my issue pointing to outside knowledge of you as a reason for you love of that particular mask.
But he then takes issue with me for (in my first game on mtgs with him) referring to meta not from mtgs.
So to me that's cherry picking when something is relevent and when something isn't, and that gives me further reason to be concerned about isos early play.
Are you intentionally misrepresenting the situation or are you simply drunk to the point of where you actually can't discern the difference between reality and what you're posting?
How is "I know Jey likes Fierce Deity because I know Jey outside of Mafia" relative at all to "I play Mafia differently on Coloholics because the meta is garbage"? One takes playstyle into consideration based on outside knowledge of other games. The other has absolutely nothing to do with the way someone is playing the game and instead addresses a simple fact that can clearly be found in a thread on MTGS that you posted in.
So again, Generic, I ask: What?
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Add into that prophet selective suspicions and I have to wonder why proph leapt to isos defense. He's a big boy and knows me well enough to *****slap me if I really am wrong about him, and iso probing others was perfectly acceptable yet mine was apparently mudslinging.
Well firstly, you're not really probing beyond making a blind accusation towards me - so if you call that probing, then okay. Beyond that, though, I don't see why A. you're being so hyperdefensive so soon in the game, and B. why you're so convinced that Proph is defending me by calling your post bad.
Why did you instantly presume that Proph's statement was primarily directed towards your accusation of me being scum and Jey being my scumbuddy?
One of the downsides of these late night conversations is it tends to be 1-3 players speaking and arguing without contributions of the rest of the playerbase. Right now I'm finding it hard to read either Generic or Iso as they seem to just be sparring one another. It seems almost habitual.
Yeah, this is pretty standard whenever Generic and I are in games together. The only difference is that on MTGS, he lacks the cult of personality that follows him on any lynch mindlessly. If he's gonna get me lynched, he's gotta earn it.
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Hey Zinger, if you're going to reveal something, how about your win con?
I must get my hands on four masks that each provide different abilities (suggested heavily that some masks provide the same or similar abilities). Also, Majora must die while I still live (I don't need to have killed him myself though). When these two things happen, I leave the game peacefully and win and you guys continue to play about at your leisure.
Actually, my role might function better for everyone if I go first, but whatever floats your boat.
I can get my hands on whichever masks I want later anyway.
Well that confirms that.
I see no reason to let you get the mask you want unless you plan on helping the town to the fullest extent.
What masks do you need to obtain?
I plan on sharing all the information I can, which by association will help town to the fullest extent, but I won't specifically chase mafia because I do want to win and to win I need to avoid getting killed until I fulfill my wincon (quoted above, in case you missed it.... )
Not strictly, no. Care to explain what you mean more specifically? Also, on a semi-unrelated but also very related note, I now really believe you are scum, but that doesn't bother me unless you are Majora specifically, which you probably are because I suspect Majora is less of a Mafia Don and more of a Cult Leader in this game. Are you Majora specifically? Let's find out.
Vote: Iso.
Am I allowed to vote during the mask draft phase? I'm not sure.
Right now I'm thinking that we may want to save the vig shot and deny anyone the right to use it until the town needs a double lynch. I would guess the vig mask's true wearer becomes an unlimited shot vig, so maybe we give it to him and let him shoot. It's unlikely the mafia would have an unlimited shot vig on their team, so he's likely town if he shoots multiple times. (This is obviously vulnerable to roleblocks.)
I think my current opinion is that the vig mask should remain unused for the moment and most players should draft non-true masks.
If that is how you feel then help me get the Fierce Deity's Mask. I will gladly withhold using it's power for the time being and even volunteer to let the masses dictate the use of it's power unless I feel I have figured out who Majora is (it would help town anyway if I used it on Majora).
I think people can probably draft whatever masks they want toDay, because the masks are probably going to shuffle quite a bit and we have at least one way we know of to move the masks if we need to, assuming Zinger cooperates on threat of lynch.
@Zinger: If you could choose which Masks to investigate, why didn't you investigate your True Mask?
Because I plan to get my hands on my True Mask sooner or later (Perhaps even for the first draft), thus the need to investigate it was less than the need to investigate other masks.
Also, on a semi-unrelated but also very related note, I now really believe you are scum, but that doesn't bother me unless you are Majora specifically, which you probably are because I suspect Majora is less of a Mafia Don and more of a Cult Leader in this game.
Firstly Iso, I expressed concerns about seeing you try to boss the game, insta clear players and start racking up the scum list off singular posts. I never said you were scum I said it got my back up cos I have seen what you can do from that seat. You to your credit didn't accuse me of anything but asked questions.
Where I took exception is you then talking to me like it's obvious why jey said what she did, just because you know her. The bit of relevance was sign ups, but I never read anyones sign up post, I saw taredas say this was a complicated game which got me interested, I tried to sign up but was told I had too many ongoing games. Void said I should appeal to the council which I did and I got in, and do I never saw anybody chatting about favourite masks anyway.
As for proph, this is what he said:
I think lizard and Generic are scum. lizard's first post is dangerously close to a point I made as Presidential Mafia (as scum) and Generic's dirt post is flat out terrible.
So why wouldn't I suspect him of defending you? He calls my concerns over you and jey dirt and labels me scum over it, yet as I point out I was stating to you that your attempt to control the game got my back up and so he is find with you auto clearing people yet my concerns over it is scummy. Doesn't add up.
Either defending, buddying to get on your cleared list, or you have already cleared one of his scum buddies and doesn't want you to be stopped. All plausible reads of his intent. I didn't go that far because I wanted him to respond to me and try and push on me more.
As for drinking iso, come on, you know me better than that. It's 10:30am here and I have three kids. It's summer holiday and I've been up since 6:00 reading up on this in amongst their arguing and stressing me out in general. My nerves are high so if I seem edgy I am.
Drink isn't the excuse, nor is time of night as gift suggests. This is just stressed generic. And as you have eluded to this isn't anything new for us to argue about, but I did love the challenge threw at me there... I don't go into these things trying up get you lynched, it just happens
It pinged mine because I thought it was weird someone would want to go with the flavor.
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First of all, this game is much more complicated than I anticipated. I'm still wrapping my head around optimal play. The complexity seems entirely front loaded though, so it should be smooth sailing once we get a little ways in.
Second, we should not be automating the mask draft process. We should be using this discussion time. Time is a precious resource in this game which is not to be squandered.
Third, I would like some discussion on the pros and cons of choosing our own special mask on the first Day. Is this something players should be doing, or not?
This sounds so forced and self aware.
Forced I can understand, but can you elaborate on what you mean exactly by "self aware" and what it means to you?
Sure.
By self aware, I mean he's being very careful of what he's saying and how he's going to be viewed by other players; he's very aware of what he's saying, which isn't very town in nature.
I actually almost want to stay in Mask Draft D1 indefinitely and play this game at our own pace.
Looking at the rules, it only seems that this Draft will allow us for enough lee way as the others require players to immediately pick up a mask.
I'm actually going to disagree. While there may be non-zero advantage to using the time as you outline I think it takes away form the flavor of the game. I'm excited about interacting within the time limits and juggling day/night ability analysis while under constraints. We can always discuss appropriateness of the draft under day 1.
TMCT, you aren't thinking outside the box. There's a potential for a lot of information to be gained. Not that it would be easy to parse that information.
Throwing around the idea that a Fierce Diety True Wearer should claim now that the Mask's Power has already been claimed. Vigilantes in my experience are usually not accurate.
I am happy that the way the game is set up it jumps right into discussion.
:thumbsdown::thumbsdown::thumbsdown:
Voting you after we get our masks.
That's no fun. Why are you waiting to vote anyway?
I have no special (true?) mask so the third point is irrelevant to me. That said I'd be inclined to say yes to taking true masks if possible, but not publicising it. The fact the Mod includes a list of destroyed masks seems to indicate there may be an ability to destroy one or multiple masks, and if that is true, we don't want townies claiming their true mask out of a possibility of scum having the mask destroying ability.
This raises a question.
Zinger, what happens if one of the masks you need is destroyed?
What did you hope would be gained from this?
Also, I don't think it is a question of "if" the scum have a mask destroying ability. I think it is a question of "if" there is a town PR that can destroy a mask.
I actually almost want to stay in Mask Draft D1 indefinitely and play this game at our own pace.
Looking at the rules, it only seems that this Draft will allow us for enough lee way as the others require players to immediately pick up a mask.
I'm actually going to disagree. While there may be non-zero advantage to using the time as you outline I think it takes away form the flavor of the game. I'm excited about interacting within the time limits and juggling day/night ability analysis while under constraints. We can always discuss appropriateness of the draft under day 1.
Did this post ping anyone else's scumdar? Cos it pinged mine a smidge.
No.
So, if lizard is scum, iRebel is almost definitely his buddy - though iRebel can be scum independent of lizard.
I agree with you that iRebel could be scum. He has been posting but he hasn't been scumhunting in my opinion. Or trying to figure out the game really. You're wrong about me but not many people really enjoy my playstyle. It isn't very coherent.
It pinged mine because I thought it was weird someone would want to go with the flavor.
Has Gifts played mafia on this site before? I'm still trying to work out how to navigate players' profiles, older games, current games, etc.
I'd actually appreciate some help lol.
Yes, Trix has played Mafia before on MTGS.
Why is that relevant?
What's your experience?
I wanted to see some examples of his play as scum.
I've played forum mafia for about 3 years with varying degrees of success. Do you want links?
Why are you theorizing such a large amount of mafia slots?
And if you are counting me into that equation, you aren't going to get the A+ sticker on your math test.
Because it is the most powerful mask in the video game and it turns the boss fight into a complete joke if you have it.
It is not my True Mask, though I do have a True Mask. I am surprised to learn that some players have no True Mask. Fascinating.
I would like to get my hands on the Fierce Deity's Mask, personally. If I did, I would be totally willing to trade it away to someone without even using the one-shot ability. I just want to hold it for a little while. It would help my wincon.
How much information are you willing to share about your role? Because this post tells me a lot about the potential abilities you have.
I have played the game and I was figuring you'd say something like that. I wanted to see if you would say something other than that though.
I am surprised at Iso not having a True Mask as well when you of all people have a True Mask. If anything, you wouldn't, or shouldn't have a True Mask other than Majora's Mask according to the flavor... Do you see what I am getting at?
You think that the Mask Salesman's true mask should be Majora's? Why's that?
You're the one who never played Majora's Mask. Heretic.
Ok that is out of my system.
Yes, I do think that his True Mask would be Majora's Mask. In the game the Mask Salesman has had Majora's Mask stolen by Skullkid. The entire point of the game is to retrieve Majora's Mask and give it back to the Mask Salesman to prevent the end of Termina. Then I saw Zinger's comment about Majora needing to die for his wincondition to be fulfilled and I thought for sure Majora's Mask had to be his True Mask. I don't remember the Salesman having really any other affiliation with a mask in the game like he did with Majora's Mask.
The fact that Majora is in this game as its own entity and not as one of the mask forms is interesting and plays to Tar's mod meta of including (usually) a scum member with a lot of power that isn't technically "canon".
First of all, this game is much more complicated than I anticipated. I'm still wrapping my head around optimal play. The complexity seems entirely front loaded though, so it should be smooth sailing once we get a little ways in.
Second, we should not be automating the mask draft process. We should be using this discussion time. Time is a precious resource in this game which is not to be squandered.
Third, I would like some discussion on the pros and cons of choosing our own special mask on the first Day. Is this something players should be doing, or not?
This sounds so forced and self aware.
We're going to be friends this game.
I must have missed this earlier, but for both of you, why is being self aware a bad thing?
Looking at the post the only bad feelings I get from it are the "Come on guys, let's stick together and use our resources appropriately!" corral comments. It looks like he is trying to take the position of a town leader to make himself look better.
This question is for anyone that can answer it. Is self awareness a big scumtell on this site?
Oh yeah, just remembered, Zinger, when you said Majora is in this game you meant that it is the spirit Majora, not its incarnations? That is what I assume you meant...
-) Automating things is a bad idea, I think. Information can be discerned from peoples' picks, and ones' own picks may change slightly based on those before you.
-) Opting to just sit here analyzing for the rest of eternity will not get use anywhere, because eventually we're going to run out of things to speculate on and are going to need legitimate, hard/confirmed information. Additionally, Mod/Taredas has explicitly said in the OP that if we take too long to draft, he's going to make the draft phase consume Game Time. That seems like a really, really quick way for town to fall behind. Furthermore, we don't even know if we can actually vote yet -- which makes the "playing in the draft phase" idea even more questionable. I foresee this game developing with time management as a key factor for Town, while Scum are going to want to waste time as best they are able.
-) I'm a bit leery of the pregame/draft step aggression that's already sprung up between Zinger and Iso. I almost want to say that it feels staged, but I'm not sure that's even possible at this step of the game.
-) Generic's emote summary made me lol. Also seemed pretty accurate from what I've read thusfar.
-) This reads like Jey's town game, based on her posting style in [redacted]. She comes across as very earnest, even in her misreads.
-) Iso has been very bold so far this game establishing quick, hard reads, applying strong pressure, and announcing that he's found several scum / that this is going to be an easy game, which I tend to associate more with his scum game than his town game. That being said, of course, Iso meta is never really reliable, so.....meh. All I can say with certainty is that he's tickling my spider senses, so to speak.
Then I saw Zinger's comment about Majora needing to die for his wincondition to be fulfilled and I thought for sure Majora's Mask had to be his True Mask. I don't remember the Salesman having really any other affiliation with a mask in the game like he did with Majora's Mask.
Based on my role, I don't think we can rely on Taredas to have used obvious mask affiliations.
I've played only about 3 hours of Majora's Mask, so could some expert like Jey answer this question: Is there anything potentially bad about claiming name and true mask?
Unrelated, with Zinger's information I thought we could make the second scummiest player take that mask and and declare a public shot and force the scum to do something about it.
Yeah like roleblock the shot if it's toward scum and not roleblock the shot if it's not toward scum, that's a good idea little lizard.
I actually almost want to stay in Mask Draft D1 indefinitely and play this game at our own pace.
Looking at the rules, it only seems that this Draft will allow us for enough lee way as the others require players to immediately pick up a mask.
I'm actually going to disagree. While there may be non-zero advantage to using the time as you outline I think it takes away form the flavor of the game. I'm excited about interacting within the time limits and juggling day/night ability analysis while under constraints. We can always discuss appropriateness of the draft under day 1.
TMCT, you aren't thinking outside the box. There's a potential for a lot of information to be gained. Not that it would be easy to parse that information.
Throwing around the idea that a Fierce Diety True Wearer should claim now that the Mask's Power has already been claimed. Vigilantes in my experience are usually not accurate.
I am happy that the way the game is set up it jumps right into discussion.
I actually almost want to stay in Mask Draft D1 indefinitely and play this game at our own pace.
Looking at the rules, it only seems that this Draft will allow us for enough lee way as the others require players to immediately pick up a mask.
I'm actually going to disagree. While there may be non-zero advantage to using the time as you outline I think it takes away form the flavor of the game. I'm excited about interacting within the time limits and juggling day/night ability analysis while under constraints. We can always discuss appropriateness of the draft under day 1.
Did this post ping anyone else's scumdar? Cos it pinged mine a smidge.
I got a tiny ping. It might have just been a benign suggestion without thinking that it would speed up the clock to mafia victory.
It pinged mine because I thought it was weird someone would want to go with the flavor.
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Gifts post about wasting our draft time is clearly a scummy action, but I feel like he's legitimately coming from a stand point of thinking it would be more fun and "flavorful" to do that. So while it's anti-town behavior, it might be explained by his personality. Something to watch though.
I would like to get my hands on the Fierce Deity's Mask, personally. If I did, I would be totally willing to trade it away to someone without even using the one-shot ability. I just want to hold it for a little while. It would help my wincon.
If you win the game, can anyone else win the game?
I need you to claim your wincon if you want to live.
Lemme start with known info.
1. We know some players have true masks which grand them an additional ability if they have a specific mask.
2. We have a claimed player who can move masks around.
3. We know there is a Vig mask already out there.
Right now I'm thinking that we may want to save the vig shot and deny anyone the right to use it until the town needs a double lynch. I would guess the vig mask's true wearer becomes an unlimited shot vig, so maybe we give it to him and let him shoot. It's unlikely the mafia would have an unlimited shot vig on their team, so he's likely town if he shoots multiple times. (This is obviously vulnerable to roleblocks.)
I think people can probably draft whatever masks they want toDay, because the masks are probably going to shuffle quite a bit and we have at least one way we know of to move the masks if we need to, assuming Zinger cooperates on threat of lynch.
On the other hand, putting more power in everyone's hands by drafting True masks is more likely to help the Town than the scum and I personally feel that making players accountable for Night actions helps with analysis. Players can't admit to drafting their true masks though because that would make them a target for scum mask destruction/removal abilities... And that hinders the accountability aspect.
I think my current opinion is that the vig mask should remain unused for the moment and most players should draft non-true masks. People can draft true masks secretly at their own discretion if they feel like risking losing their power. The other option is to have everyone immediately claim and draft their true mask so the scum cannot pick us off a few at a time. I'm tentatively ok with this as well, although it opens up some risks.
I could show you a picture of me cosplaying Fierce Deity if you like. Sans Gardevoir, my absolute favorite character in all of video games. Also re-read sign-ups to see my appreciation for the thing. -shrug-
...My town game is that obvious to you guys now? ._. I'm never going to live a single day as scum ever again.
Yes, I do think that his True Mask would be Majora's Mask. In the game the Mask Salesman has had Majora's Mask stolen by Skullkid. The entire point of the game is to retrieve Majora's Mask and give it back to the Mask Salesman to prevent the end of Termina. Then I saw Zinger's comment about Majora needing to die for his wincondition to be fulfilled and I thought for sure Majora's Mask had to be his True Mask. I don't remember the Salesman having really any other affiliation with a mask in the game like he did with Majora's Mask.
The fact that Majora is in this game as its own entity and not as one of the mask forms is interesting and plays to Tar's mod meta of including (usually) a scum member with a lot of power that isn't technically "canon".
From my short experience playing MM, I thought the skull kid was Majora. Is that incorrect?
Then I saw Zinger's comment about Majora needing to die for his wincondition to be fulfilled and I thought for sure Majora's Mask had to be his True Mask. I don't remember the Salesman having really any other affiliation with a mask in the game like he did with Majora's Mask.
Based on my role, I don't think we can rely on Taredas to have used obvious mask affiliations.
That's weird.
My character doesn't directly point to a specific mask, but my True Mask does make sense for who my character is.
There's a wealth of information online, either in the form of playthroughs or wikis about the game.
It is a cult classic in recent years despite not being received as well as Ocarina of Time at its release. I blame the hipsters.
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I am willing to share almost anything about my role, especially if it will help me win which I think it will.
My true mask is not Majora's Mask. My True Mask is on the list of unworn masks, and Majora's Mask is not on that list.
That doesn't mean Majora's Mask is not in this game. I heavily suspect that the list of masks is not complete...yet.
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Forced I can understand, but can you elaborate on what you mean exactly by "self aware" and what it means to you?
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I've been thinking about my opening post all day. We have limited time in this game, so I'm planning things out in advance. I'm not sure what is "forced" about it, I'm trying to figure out how best to utilize the set-up. It is self-aware though, as I am revealing my current mindset as I see it.
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I wish there wasn't a 5 year gap between your current play and your older play. (grumble) I'll be reading through those over the coming days.
Because my role PM says so.
It's fair to say that I know more about masks than anyone else in the game.
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So, in reference to the sign-up thread and ever before Zinger's claim was posted, I -really-wanted Fierce Deity's mask but maaaaaaybe that isn't the best idea anymore! I'd still want it for Novelty's sake if anything really, couldn't care less about the ability =P
I actually like the idea of everyone personally sorting the masks (ALL OF THEM) in rank from most wanted to least wanted for efficiency purposes, but maybe posting that list isn't the best choice (just keep it to yourself). If something you wanted gets snagged cross it off and move the rest of your list up.
I have a True Mask as well, though I don't think revealing that prematurely serves any benefits and I sincerely believe there will be no benefits to drafting the mask of your true mask. Unless Zinger wants to say otherwise?
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I bet Zinger destroys masks.
Or has to obtain them.
Or something.
I like TMCT for town because of this, though. Call it gut based on the way this reaction is phrased - I expect scum would appear more artificial.
I presumed, after he revealed that he didn't know ALL of the masks, that he selected one to investigate.
Well that confirms that.
I see no reason to let you get the mask you want unless you plan on helping the town to the fullest extent.
What masks do you need to obtain?
:thumbsdown::thumbsdown::thumbsdown:
Voting you after we get our masks.
We're gonna get along just fine this game.
Yeah, you're going down first.
Well, seeing as we don't know what the masks DO yet, I don't see why we wouldn't just pick a mask we think might have a decent ability (or our True Mask, if we have one) and then go down the list. There's no sense in dragging it out. I want to get to the game.
This raises a question.
Zinger, what happens if one of the masks you need is destroyed?
We're not gonna be friends this game.
No.
So, if lizard is scum, iRebel is almost definitely his buddy - though iRebel can be scum independent of lizard.
Yes, Trix has played Mafia before on MTGS.
Why is that relevant?
What's your experience?
Self-aware.
I suspect you steal mask abilities. Am I correct?
3 down.
18 players, so 5-6 scum and 1-2 Neutrals.
So 2 or 3 to go.
I'm liking our odds this game.
You think that the Mask Salesman's true mask should be Majora's? Why's that?
We're going to be friends this game.
I don't like this question, but I'm pretty sure you're town.
Tell me why.
White noise? You've been reading the thread, right?
You're town this game, though.
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Being self-aware implies that you're not posting naturally and that you have something to hide by being cagey about what you post.
I'd be interested in hearing your plan. Or discussing it with you. Whichever.
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I read maybe a bit faster than I should have, but to me it looked like a bunch of people derping over A: Zinger, B: Mechanics and specifics and weird things. Sorting mechanics seems null, but your post points out thaaaat it's a little more involved. Maybe I'm still bad at this game after all. Gosh darn it.
I already have to re-read though? FML ;_; Later.
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1. We know some players have true masks which grand them an additional ability if they have a specific mask.
2. We have a claimed player who can move masks around.
3. We know there is a Vig mask already out there.
Right now I'm thinking that we may want to save the vig shot and deny anyone the right to use it until the town needs a double lynch. I would guess the vig mask's true wearer becomes an unlimited shot vig, so maybe we give it to him and let him shoot. It's unlikely the mafia would have an unlimited shot vig on their team, so he's likely town if he shoots multiple times. (This is obviously vulnerable to roleblocks.)
I think people can probably draft whatever masks they want toDay, because the masks are probably going to shuffle quite a bit and we have at least one way we know of to move the masks if we need to, assuming Zinger cooperates on threat of lynch.
On the other hand, putting more power in everyone's hands by drafting True masks is more likely to help the Town than the scum and I personally feel that making players accountable for Night actions helps with analysis. Players can't admit to drafting their true masks though because that would make them a target for scum mask destruction/removal abilities... And that hinders the accountability aspect.
I think my current opinion is that the vig mask should remain unused for the moment and most players should draft non-true masks. People can draft true masks secretly at their own discretion if they feel like risking losing their power. The other option is to have everyone immediately claim and draft their true mask so the scum cannot pick us off a few at a time. I'm tentatively ok with this as well, although it opens up some risks.
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I can do... stuff which supports these lines of action. There should be a lot of Night action analysis this game.
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what
This is Jey's town game.
Why lizard?
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@Zinger: If you could choose which Masks to investigate, why didn't you investigate your True Mask?
I think JeY town slipped hard with the true mask derp.
I think lizard and Generic are scum. lizard's first post is dangerously close to a point I made as Presidential Mafia (as scum) and Generic's dirt post is flat out terrible.
I'll post a bit more when I have access to a laptop.
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???
Carry on.
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Since you seem to be working hard on setup analysis how, in your opinion, does Zinger's role change the game?
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Well firstly, I know Jey quite well. Jey's old AIM avatar was Fierce Deity Link. Jey also stated in the sign-up thread that her favorite mask was Fierce Deity, in accordance with Taredas's request when everyone signed up.
I'm pretty sure you've never seen me play as scum on MTGS. Your meta examples don't apply here.
Jey's only completed scum game is Famous Historical Figures Mafia. I suggest you take a look at it if you're going to continue to levy this accusation against me.
Hmm.
Actually, I'm more interested in your thoughts on Jey right now.
Please tell me what exactly was so forced about Jey missing the "true mask" rule?
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...My town game is that obvious to you guys now? ._. I'm never going to live a single day as scum ever again.
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I disagree. TOTALLY necessary.
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I'm pretty sure we went over this. So, why is that suspicious?
what
that has nothing to do with it at all
how much have you had to drink tonight
I thought about mentioning that but I wasn't sure if you were willing to share the picture and didn't want people clamouring for you to show it if you didn't want to.
Are you intentionally misrepresenting the situation or are you simply drunk to the point of where you actually can't discern the difference between reality and what you're posting?
How is "I know Jey likes Fierce Deity because I know Jey outside of Mafia" relative at all to "I play Mafia differently on Coloholics because the meta is garbage"? One takes playstyle into consideration based on outside knowledge of other games. The other has absolutely nothing to do with the way someone is playing the game and instead addresses a simple fact that can clearly be found in a thread on MTGS that you posted in.
So again, Generic, I ask: What?
Well firstly, you're not really probing beyond making a blind accusation towards me - so if you call that probing, then okay. Beyond that, though, I don't see why A. you're being so hyperdefensive so soon in the game, and B. why you're so convinced that Proph is defending me by calling your post bad.
Why did you instantly presume that Proph's statement was primarily directed towards your accusation of me being scum and Jey being my scumbuddy?
Yeah, this is pretty standard whenever Generic and I are in games together. The only difference is that on MTGS, he lacks the cult of personality that follows him on any lynch mindlessly. If he's gonna get me lynched, he's gotta earn it.
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2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
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I've been back for less than 2 months and I've already done it.
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@AtheistGod, please don't pick your mask until I have had a chance to clarify something with the mod, which I will explain in due course.
Also, in other news, working on a wall-post. I know, I know, everyone hates wall-posts (myself included) but what-ya-gonna-do. Coming shortly.
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Maybe. I'd prefer not to answer this at this time.
Cool, can't wait.
Sooo, reading what you missed neglected this post, eh?
Moving on.
I plan on sharing all the information I can, which by association will help town to the fullest extent, but I won't specifically chase mafia because I do want to win and to win I need to avoid getting killed until I fulfill my wincon (quoted above, in case you missed it.... )
Not strictly, no. Care to explain what you mean more specifically? Also, on a semi-unrelated but also very related note, I now really believe you are scum, but that doesn't bother me unless you are Majora specifically, which you probably are because I suspect Majora is less of a Mafia Don and more of a Cult Leader in this game. Are you Majora specifically? Let's find out.
Vote: Iso.
Am I allowed to vote during the mask draft phase? I'm not sure.
If that is how you feel then help me get the Fierce Deity's Mask. I will gladly withhold using it's power for the time being and even volunteer to let the masses dictate the use of it's power unless I feel I have figured out who Majora is (it would help town anyway if I used it on Majora).
I plan to cooperate without threat of lynch.
Because I plan to get my hands on my True Mask sooner or later (Perhaps even for the first draft), thus the need to investigate it was less than the need to investigate other masks.
Reading really isn't your strong suit, is it?
TL;DR, I think Iso scumslipped earlier when he asked me if I steal mask's abilities, I now very strongly suspect him to be Majora himself.
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Didn't you have "massive important info"?
This is a scumslip by your definition...
...and this isn't.
Right, because you're scum. Bully for you.
Sure.
By self aware, I mean he's being very careful of what he's saying and how he's going to be viewed by other players; he's very aware of what he's saying, which isn't very town in nature.
That's no fun. Why are you waiting to vote anyway?
That was a joke.
What did you hope would be gained from this?
Also, I don't think it is a question of "if" the scum have a mask destroying ability. I think it is a question of "if" there is a town PR that can destroy a mask.
I agree with you that iRebel could be scum. He has been posting but he hasn't been scumhunting in my opinion. Or trying to figure out the game really. You're wrong about me but not many people really enjoy my playstyle. It isn't very coherent.
I wanted to see some examples of his play as scum.
I've played forum mafia for about 3 years with varying degrees of success. Do you want links?
I sure wish I had this handy dandy book of scumtells that assures me success every time!
I was self-aware, yes, but that doesn't make me scum.
Why are you theorizing such a large amount of mafia slots?
And if you are counting me into that equation, you aren't going to get the A+ sticker on your math test.
You're the one who never played Majora's Mask. Heretic.
Ok that is out of my system.
Yes, I do think that his True Mask would be Majora's Mask. In the game the Mask Salesman has had Majora's Mask stolen by Skullkid. The entire point of the game is to retrieve Majora's Mask and give it back to the Mask Salesman to prevent the end of Termina. Then I saw Zinger's comment about Majora needing to die for his wincondition to be fulfilled and I thought for sure Majora's Mask had to be his True Mask. I don't remember the Salesman having really any other affiliation with a mask in the game like he did with Majora's Mask.
The fact that Majora is in this game as its own entity and not as one of the mask forms is interesting and plays to Tar's mod meta of including (usually) a scum member with a lot of power that isn't technically "canon".
I must have missed this earlier, but for both of you, why is being self aware a bad thing?
Looking at the post the only bad feelings I get from it are the "Come on guys, let's stick together and use our resources appropriately!" corral comments. It looks like he is trying to take the position of a town leader to make himself look better.
This question is for anyone that can answer it. Is self awareness a big scumtell on this site?
No. Try again.
What does "bully for you" mean?
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Zinger, why do you think Iso is specifically Majora?
Vote: iRebel
-) Automating things is a bad idea, I think. Information can be discerned from peoples' picks, and ones' own picks may change slightly based on those before you.
-) Opting to just sit here analyzing for the rest of eternity will not get use anywhere, because eventually we're going to run out of things to speculate on and are going to need legitimate, hard/confirmed information. Additionally, Mod/Taredas has explicitly said in the OP that if we take too long to draft, he's going to make the draft phase consume Game Time. That seems like a really, really quick way for town to fall behind. Furthermore, we don't even know if we can actually vote yet -- which makes the "playing in the draft phase" idea even more questionable. I foresee this game developing with time management as a key factor for Town, while Scum are going to want to waste time as best they are able.
-) I'm a bit leery of the pregame/draft step aggression that's already sprung up between Zinger and Iso. I almost want to say that it feels staged, but I'm not sure that's even possible at this step of the game.
-) Generic's emote summary made me lol. Also seemed pretty accurate from what I've read thusfar.
-) This reads like Jey's town game, based on her posting style in [redacted]. She comes across as very earnest, even in her misreads.
-) Iso has been very bold so far this game establishing quick, hard reads, applying strong pressure, and announcing that he's found several scum / that this is going to be an easy game, which I tend to associate more with his scum game than his town game. That being said, of course, Iso meta is never really reliable, so.....meh. All I can say with certainty is that he's tickling my spider senses, so to speak.
This is always me playing Mafia. I print out the game thread on old newspaper just to look like this.
Based on my role, I don't think we can rely on Taredas to have used obvious mask affiliations.
A sarcastic "good for you."
They're misreads?
I've played only about 3 hours of Majora's Mask, so could some expert like Jey answer this question: Is there anything potentially bad about claiming name and true mask?
Not sure if sarcastic.
I like you.
I don't like you.
I got a tiny ping. It might have just been a benign suggestion without thinking that it would speed up the clock to mafia victory.
Also is there anyone sisterly around?
Little lizard is my favorite player now.
You're not yourself.
I want you lynched.
Period.
If you win the game, can anyone else win the game?
I need you to claim your wincon if you want to live.Except not always.
How in the world do you think little lizard is scum?
What makes Jey town?
too lazy to actually quote your long post so quoting this one instead
tl;dr: Asenion is scum.
Ok I like Jey.
I'm also liking Iso and his attack on Generic.
Can we vote yet?
You are so non-interactive. Why are you just spouting words instead of accusing people?
From my short experience playing MM, I thought the skull kid was Majora. Is that incorrect?
/barn
The lack of Silver rage is also pleasing.
That's weird.
My character doesn't directly point to a specific mask, but my True Mask does make sense for who my character is.
It is probably a good idea for those unfamiliar with the game to read a couple of things on the wiki...
http://zeldawiki.org/Skull_Kid
http://zeldawiki.org/Happy_Mask_Salesman
http://zeldawiki.org/Majora
There's a wealth of information online, either in the form of playthroughs or wikis about the game.
It is a cult classic in recent years despite not being received as well as Ocarina of Time at its release. I blame the hipsters.