First off, I'd like to say that Zinger's NLP means absolutely nothing to me: I am no more inclined to believe him over anyone else in this game. It's incredibly easy to deceive others through internet communication, and I don't see anything binding Zinger to his policy aside from his word, so I will still take whatever he says with a grain of salt, just in case.
I don't like how Generic has switched from attacking Zinger to attacking iRebel, but I suppose his actions are justified by the amount of people on his band wagon. Naturally he would become defensive when he is close to being lynched, so I can see why he would try attacking his attackers to divert some people's opinions.
@Generic: In post 38 you accused iRebel of "riding to [Zinger's] rescue." Do you believe that they are buddying, or do feel that there is a dichotomy between them? Explain your answer if possible.
I'm really not a fan of Gifts' post #103. Mayhaps it's just because I don't follow the logic behind the vote. I know that he later tried to explain it, but I don't see the correlation between his 3rd quote and scum trying to attack low hanging fruit.
I believe that Cantripmancer is leaning town. In the NLP fiasco early in the game, I thought that he seemed very fair throughout. I like how he clarified the misunderstanding in #52, but still asked Zinger about his intentions regarding the policy. I also like his approach to iRebel vs. Generic in #96. It shows that he is analyzing both aspects of the argument, rather than just choosing a side.
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Hawk asked you what you meant by a comment you made in post 37.
You answered it referencing something I said in post 38.
Meaning you made the comment with voodoo powers knowing what I would post next, that I would badly phrase it and that up to post 37 you had nothing of a case that you needed to add in subsequent comments after my wagon had grew to three votes.
Ok Irebel, explain to me what he means when he says he won't lie about anything but his alignment?
So again i will ask you irebel, why would a town player need to lie about their alignment in a mafia game?
And that's what I mean by phrasing the question badly and returning to it.
Right, now that I understand where you're coming from, I'm a bit perplexed you'd try and seriously make the "voodoo" or "clairvoyance" argument. I answered hawk's question with everything to date I found applicable; had you not of posted I'd of left it at the way you went after Zinger.
Come to think of it, I think I've said this twice or more now. You're really trying to make a mountain out of a non-existent molehill.
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I didn't realize generic was on 5 votes, i thought he wa still on 4...
My confirm vote was an attempt to put pressure on Generic to get a bit more convo flow, sadly it lead to a claim, which there is no counter claim to as far as I see. The claim is believable since we are all power charecters.
I have nothing further to add atm as I am tirde... goodnight.
Where did he claim anything other than him being Thor? The scum are skrull, so the characters themselves mean nothing since they can be faked. Yet you are willing to believe him because of an un-CC'd name claim.
As for your initial vote this explanation just makes it worse.
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Still don't like Generic and his mudslinging calling those on his wagons hypocrites defense. But this response is so weird and so up in the air fine with something that doesn't exist that it just isn't right.
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I didn't realize generic was on 5 votes, i thought he wa still on 4... My confirm vote was an attempt to put pressure on Generic to get a bit more convo flow, sadly it lead to a claim, which there is no counter claim to as far as I see. The claim is believable since we are all power charecters.
I have nothing further to add atm as I am tirde... goodnight.
Interesting contradiction in the bolded
There was plenty of conversation flowing which you were not a part of. Why are you insisting on trying to get more conversation started about generic without being a part of it?
At the risk of sounding like I am backtracking, I am willing to chalk the whole thing up to one big misunderstanding.
I don't think there is a need for Generic to be at L -2 this early in the day when we really don't have enough info to justify him being there. I still don't like some of the things he said though, and will keep an eye on him for it.
I agree completely.
@Hawk: I don't believe you answered my questions from post #43. Please do that.
Also, I'll be semi-V/LA over the next few days. I've been getting my car back in working order and have a lot of things to get worked out with my new job. It's taking up a lot of my time but I might be able to find time to post every now and then.
You felt the need to vote me without even giving me a chance to anwer the question in place?
I mean, it's obvious that you don't lynch confirmed town even if you don't like they way they play. My "policy lynch" is based on the fact that I thought Zinger was going to abuse his self-imposed posting restriction to make his alignment unreadable. If he tries that, I'll be back to trying to lynch him because it will be the only way to deal with him. In the meantime I've just been at work guys. Like chill for 8 hours please. Anyway, I'm off to FNM - I'll post tomorrow.
I'd like to know why you started a "policy lynch" vote and ended RVS, in the first place instead of just saying what is on your mind?
I didn't realize generic was on 5 votes, i thought he wa still on 4... My confirm vote was an attempt to put pressure on Generic to get a bit more convo flow, sadly it lead to a claim, which there is no counter claim to as far as I see. The claim is believable since we are all power charecters. I have nothing further to add atm as I am tirde... goodnight.
Where did he claim anything other than him being Thor? The scum are skrull, so the characters themselves mean nothing since they can be faked. Yet you are willing to believe him because of an un-CC'd name claim.
As for your initial vote this explanation just makes it worse.
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Still don't like Generic and his mudslinging calling those on his wagons hypocrites defense. But this response is so weird and so up in the air fine with something that doesn't exist that it just isn't right.
Okay I actually missed the first paragraph about the shapehifting because I saw a spoiler tag and clicked it and became interseted in who died rather than the first part. Now I know, and knowing is half the battle. Intereting plot scheme to prevent Meta.
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I didn't realize generic was on 5 votes, i thought he wa still on 4... My confirm vote was an attempt to put pressure on Generic to get a bit more convo flow, sadly it lead to a claim, which there is no counter claim to as far as I see. The claim is believable since we are all power charecters.
I have nothing further to add atm as I am tirde... goodnight.
Interesting contradiction in the bolded
There was plenty of conversation flowing which you were not a part of. Why are you insisting on trying to get more conversation started about generic without being a part of it?
Yes, because me adding conversation is so much the same as getting more conversation going. I already know what I am thinking. Also I never said it had to be about Generic. I honestly just wanted to shift focus away from the NLP and get to the bigger picture... which incidentally has worked.
Now, with all that said... I really didn't like Generic's initial vote of ZInger becuase he based it solely on the fact that Zinger had a NLP. No more than I liked assenion's vote for the same reasons.
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I mean, it's obvious that you don't lynch confirmed town even if you don't like they way they play. My "policy lynch" is based on the fact that I thought Zinger was going to abuse his self-imposed posting restriction to make his alignment unreadable. If he tries that, I'll be back to trying to lynch him because it will be the only way to deal with him. In the meantime I've just been at work guys. Like chill for 8 hours please. Anyway, I'm off to FNM - I'll post tomorrow.
I'd like to know why you started a "policy lynch" vote and ended RVS, in the first place instead of just saying what is on your mind?
You answered your own question. I pretty much always end RVS in all my games unless someone else does it really fast.
You can dislike my vote all you want, it had the effect I desired. RVS ended, I got explanations from Zinger, we got an initial wagon or two to analyze, and discussion started in a way that I feel is pretty healthy for the game.
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You're the dude who just lies a lot and makes people hate you and then magically becomes town later, right?
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Now, with all that said... I really didn't like Generic's initial vote of ZInger becuase he based it solely on the fact that Zinger had a NLP. No more than I liked assenion's vote for the same reasons.
Why vote for generic over asenion and not even mention asenion until now? If you don't like generic no more than asenion, that means you disliked both of them equally and didn't even mention one.
And since everyone is now putting pressure on me for doing exactly this, why would you not explain your vote here?
Let me answer this with another question. Why are you scum?
Let me count the ways!
1. First post out of RVS is a massive textwall of "confirm vote".
2. That was post #68. RVS ending at post #25. Forty-three posts of content related to the game and your contribution is "confirm vote".
3. Paraphrasing, your explanation for said post is "I wanted to start some conversation" and "I wanted to apply pressure". When there was already plenty of conversation you could participate in and obviously plenty of pressure.
4. You weren't even paying attention to the vote count.
5. You forced a name claim out of Generic extremely early by not paying attention to said vote count.
On another note, that back and forth between Ego and Asenion looks like poor distancing to me. I also don't buy Asenion's convenient after-the-fact reasoning in #134. What all did you learn from it? I find it hard to believe you were just ending RVS when you're clearly very invested in Zinger's NLP. See below...
If you want to play without lying, that's fine. When you start talking about it, you are just making an excuse to not explain your mindsets and ignore questions.
It boils down to this: the way NLP is set/up makes it impossible to catch a scum Zinger because he wants us to be ok with him not explaining himself or answering questions that are inconvenient.
I will Unvote for the moment, but the first time he uses this as an excuse to not play the game, I plan to policy lynch him.
I like you Zinger. I'm also making it my business to ensure that you don't survive to end-game in any game I share with you. Lord help us if you, Iso, and I are all in a game, because my votes will be pretty much set.
Consider my vote on Asenion as well, but I think I'd prefer we lynch Ego first as I'm slightly more certain.
How is it not town? I wanted more conversation so I could get a better read on people by seeing how they act/react.
Much of what I meant has been sarnath'd, but specifically:
• You started off with a disclaimer that you didn't realize the vote count, which would be believable, but you felt the need to distance yourself from the claim, even when you weren't the fifth vote on Generic.
• Even without reading the OP flavor, why would an un-cc'd name claim do anything for you?
• You indicate that you were trying to further conversation, but you're not contributing to the conversation yourself.
• You feel the need to finish with an excuse (tired).
Any one of the above alone wouldn't be that big a deal, but all four together pings my scumdar in a big way.
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Yes, because me adding conversation is so much the same as getting more conversation going. I already know what I am thinking. Also I never said it had to be about Generic. I honestly just wanted to shift focus away from the NLP and get to the bigger picture... which incidentally has worked.
I'd say that the shift away from the NLP happened independently of you coming under suspicion. And who else besides Generic would be the focus of conversation stemming from you confirming your vote on Generic (except, of course, unless you were trying to shift the conversation to yourself, heh)?
/confirm and restating my V/la until the 24th.
Hopefully I won't get modkilled this time.
Generic, can you answer this question:
@Generic: In post 38 you accused iRebel of "riding to [Zinger's] rescue." Do you believe that they are buddying, or do feel that there is a dichotomy between them? Explain your answer if possible.
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How is it not town? I wanted more conversation so I could get a better read on people by seeing how they act/react.
Much of what I meant has been sarnath'd, but specifically:
• You started off with a disclaimer that you didn't realize the vote count, which would be believable, but you felt the need to distance yourself from the claim, even when you weren't the fifth vote on Generic.
• Even without reading the OP flavor, why would an un-cc'd name claim do anything for you?
• You indicate that you were trying to further conversation, but you're not contributing to the conversation yourself.
• You feel the need to finish with an excuse (tired).
Any one of the above alone wouldn't be that big a deal, but all four together pings my scumdar in a big way.
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Yes, because me adding conversation is so much the same as getting more conversation going. I already know what I am thinking. Also I never said it had to be about Generic. I honestly just wanted to shift focus away from the NLP and get to the bigger picture... which incidentally has worked.
I'd say that the shift away from the NLP happened independently of you coming under suspicion. And who else besides Generic would be the focus of conversation stemming from you confirming your vote on Generic (except, of course, unless you were trying to shift the conversation to yourself, heh)?
/barn this.
The biggest sticking point to me is how easily Id_Ego was willing to clear Generic on his name claim alone.
How is it not town? I wanted more conversation so I could get a better read on people by seeing how they act/react.
Much of what I meant has been sarnath'd, but specifically:
• You started off with a disclaimer that you didn't realize the vote count, which would be believable, but you felt the need to distance yourself from the claim, even when you weren't the fifth vote on Generic.
• Even without reading the OP flavor, why would an un-cc'd name claim do anything for you?
• You indicate that you were trying to further conversation, but you're not contributing to the conversation yourself.
• You feel the need to finish with an excuse (tired).
Any one of the above alone wouldn't be that big a deal, but all four together pings my scumdar in a big way.
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Yes, because me adding conversation is so much the same as getting more conversation going. I already know what I am thinking. Also I never said it had to be about Generic. I honestly just wanted to shift focus away from the NLP and get to the bigger picture... which incidentally has worked.
I'd say that the shift away from the NLP happened independently of you coming under suspicion. And who else besides Generic would be the focus of conversation stemming from you confirming your vote on Generic (except, of course, unless you were trying to shift the conversation to yourself, heh)?
/barn as well. Very well said.
Going to do a re-read over the next day or so.
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@Zinger: Kay, got you noted. @Generic: Sorry for the slow reply! I sleep during the day, so I don't always get to update as fast as possible. As mentioned, parinoid's on V/LA for 2 more days And here's a bonus vote count since stuff has happened!
Sorry for the lack of replies, my focus has been on Zinger, so it was hard for me to come up with posts of substance since he's V/LA. My fault for tunnel vision.
I'm kind of uncertain in this game after being thrown off my trail and I usually put great weight behind my first "real" vote of the game, so I hadn't voted yet. I'm ok with an Id lynch though and probably hawk too after that last post. I'm always game to lynch Zinger as well.
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You're the dude who just lies a lot and makes people hate you and then magically becomes town later, right?
My only meaningful opinion I have a feeling on is his NLP which I amusing. But that has no bearing on his alignment. The rest I've sort of ignored as not important. I have other things to care about, like getting Id_Ego lynched for being scum.
I've been thinking this over, and well, this might be a bit of outguessing the mod here, but you would think that if Id_Ego was scum that he would have been told in his role pm of the skrull invasion and the impersonation of heroes, no?
The basic case against him is that he seemed clueless about the fact that Thor could easily be scum as well as mafia in this game, but I have a hard time believing that scum could possibly be clueless about this fact.
Still, it does feel like a pretty dumb thing to say. Even if he is unaware of the skrull invasion he should know about things like games not being breakable by flavour and safe fake-claims being provided for the scum and all that jazz. Very fishy indeed.
I am comfortable with lynching him today regardless, but want to wait and see his claim before deciding on placing my vote on him, since he is at L-2.
I am still V/LA until Thursday. This apartment hunting business is complete bull****, by the way. Has to be my least favorite activity in the world.
I need to extend my V/la for a day or two. A close friend died just before my trip and the funeral is tomorrow.
Sorry about this, but my head won't be in a place suitable to participate for a little bit longer.
I'm kind of uncertain in this game after being thrown off my trail and I usually put great weight behind my first "real" vote of the game, so I hadn't voted yet. I'm ok with an Id lynch though and probably hawk too after that last post. I'm always game to lynch Zinger as well.
Also, I'm interested in taking this NLP out for a spin.
Zinger, if you were scum this game and a no lynch happened toDay, who would you nightkill and why? I realize you are V/LA, just answer when you get a chance.
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I didn't realize generic was on 5 votes, i thought he wa still on 4...
My confirm vote was an attempt to put pressure on Generic to get a bit more convo flow, sadly it lead to a claim, which there is no counter claim to as far as I see. The claim is believable since we are all power charecters.
I have nothing further to add atm as I am tirde... goodnight.
This post is bad. Flawed logic is flawed.
@ID_Ego - How much experience do you have playing mafia? You mention being tired; approximately how long had you been deprived of sleep at the time of your post?
Also, I'm interested in taking this NLP out for a spin.
Zinger, if you were scum this game and a no lynch happened toDay, who would you nightkill and why? I realize you are V/LA, just answer when you get a chance.
I'm not too sure this came from a town mindset.
Why did you feel the need to ask this question? No matter how Zinger answers, he would be perceived as scummy. All I see here is a cheap shot on Zinger, and a question that, if answered, would create a plethora of WIFOM.
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I'm kind of uncertain in this game after being thrown off my trail and I usually put great weight behind my first "real" vote of the game, so I hadn't voted yet. I'm ok with an Id lynch though and probably hawk too after that last post. I'm always game to lynch Zinger as well.
I'm kinda just waiting for these players to do vote: Asenion, hansanator, Id_Ego, parinoid, Zinger2099.
I was trying to bait out any reaction from ego or emo but you were the only one to respond.
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You said that you were waiting to vote until you saw what the rest of us did. This shows that you are basing your actions on what others think of the game state and playing a reactionary game. Coupled with this post:
But there is only one lynch today and it's going to be Ego, Emo or zinger.
Which is responding to someone suggesting pressure on you, and it shows a clear scum mindset.
-Strike 1: Wanting to evaluate others opinions and react to them before forming opinions of your own.
-Strike 2: Arrogance in the face of your own safety.
-Strike 3: Reminding people that their lynch choices are "limited" and suggesting that they have to lynch from a specific pool of people that you have approved.
Ladies and gentlemen, I present our first scum lynch of the game. Unvote
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You're the dude who just lies a lot and makes people hate you and then magically becomes town later, right?
Here in mind if not spirit, still dealing with issues (ref: messages in other games I'm in for more)
I think ego is looking bad after that explanation of the vote, still don't like irebels grasping at straws with me and think hansanator is ***** footing around without really getting involved enough for my liking.
Beyond that can't be anymore help, hope to make a fuller return tomorrow.
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Now, with all that said... I really didn't like Generic's initial vote of ZInger becuase he based it solely on the fact that Zinger had a NLP. No more than I liked assenion's vote for the same reasons.
Why vote for generic over asenion and not even mention asenion until now? If you don't like generic no more than asenion, that means you disliked both of them equally and didn't even mention one.
Do you state all of your dislikes just before voting? And how did I not mention one? i did confirm vote did I not? why would I do that if I like Generic?
You felt the need to vote me without even giving me a chance to anwer the question in place?
I felt the need to vote you because you had one post out of RVS and it was "confirm vote". What question are you talking about?
I was in fact, talking about the two statements that imediately preceeded your vote, but now realize they had no bearing on your vote whatsoever... as far as I can see
And since everyone is now putting pressure on me for doing exactly this, why would you not explain your vote here?
Let me answer this with another question. Why are you scum?
Let me count the ways!
1. First post out of RVS is a massive textwall of "confirm vote".
2. That was post #68. RVS ending at post #25. Forty-three posts of content related to the game and your contribution is "confirm vote".
3. Paraphrasing, your explanation for said post is "I wanted to start some conversation" and "I wanted to apply pressure". When there was already plenty of conversation you could participate in and obviously plenty of pressure.
4. You weren't even paying attention to the vote count.
5. You forced a name claim out of Generic extremely early by not paying attention to said vote count.
Let's really count the ways shall we?
1&2 are the same thing. you called it a text wall in 1, and used 2 to explain what that text well was about. so really, that' just 1. and I won't deny that I did not add anything coming out of RVS, but the point of my vote was really to get out of NLP, which was conintuing PASSED RVS. More to this below
3 (or 2):, Really? Lots of conversation? tell me where, in the page before my confirm vote the conversation was about anything but the NLP? Here, let me save you time.
Also, I'm interested in taking this NLP out for a spin.
Zinger, if you were scum this game and a no lynch happened toDay, who would you nightkill and why? I realize you are V/LA, just answer when you get a chance.
I won't lie about anything except where it concerns my alignment.
Why would zinger have a reason to lie about alignment as town?
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You are relating this generic to MTGS (scum)generic. I don't see the correlation. Generic is making more sense currently than he usually does. Care to elaborate?
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Your question towards asenion about policy lynching is terrible. Do you not understand what policy lynching is and when to do it? This fluff question combined with your overreaction of generic makes you look scummy as hell.
Weren't you the one who asked about it in the first place?
I understand your stance on Generic (although I'm not sure it's voteworthy), but this question to Asenion seems a bit of a misrep. Zinger was the one who "started" the discussion about it by putting an unfamiliar acronym in the thread.
Alright, I can see that. Personally I just brushed it off because I didn't think the NLP thing was relevant to the game. Not to mention, a little research shows he states it at the beginning of all his games.
Am I the only one who bothered to look to see if he had brought it up before?
I also don't like your "what is your stance" question; it feels...crafted. Why didn't you just say "how does a policy lynch fit in with a town mindset"?
That's just how I talk. I don't think I've ever used the term "town mindset".
Your question towards asenion about policy lynching is terrible. Do you not understand what policy lynching is and when to do it? This fluff question combined with your overreaction of generic makes you look scummy as hell.
How is it terrible exactly?
IMO, I don't think there is ever a time to policy lynch. If a player is outrageously disruptive then I could see asking for a modkill, but policy lynching is just a way for scum to get a free kill. Policy lynch wagons can't be analyzed the way normal wagons can and basically waste a day and a flip.
I also, don't like the way you say it makes me "look scummy as hell", but doesn't make me scum.
Either way if we get away from the so called scumslip, I still don't understand what motive he would have for stating the NLP other than trying to score town cred.
Hang on, have you just included something that i posted AFTER you voted for me as part of your case for voting for me?
Okay.
Hawk asked why, I outlined all reasons. I don't see the issue here.
No he didnt, he gave a tl;dr today. And he said in it that he wouldnt lie about ANYTHING EXCEPT his alignment. WHY would town need to lie about alignment irebel, thats the question i asked and thats the one you are avoiding by saying only zinger can answer which isnt true. Your opinion reflects on your vote, if you cant answer it your vote is tactical and not based on a real reason.
His tl;dr is a summation of a thread from TWO YEARS ago. If you had read it, you'd understand this.
And that is NOT the question you asked me. You originally asked:
explain to me what he means when he says he won't lie about anything but his alignment
To which I replied: Maybe you'll get your answer when I get mine?
To answer your current question, which is not the same as the first question: I don't have the necessary experience under my belt to answer that question in depth. The best I could give you is some hairbrained scenario.
Nice try on the question switcheroo though.
Really? You saw me vote on a scumslip early in day 1 in MTGS? And since this is the first game i ahve played with you since that game i did wonder if you would do what shark and hawk did.
I was mafia once, i won us the game after you screwed up your own play, get over it. Bear in mind i saw your scum play in that game, you sucked then too.
That sure comes across as a personal attack, which is completely unnecessary. And if it isn't then I would ask you monitor your tone, as it's hard to discern just text.
And no, what I saw was you finding an opening and blowing it out of proportion.
Hawk:
I agree that Generic is good at smoke and mirrors as scum but I think that Zinger's NLP was weird and scummy. Generic was right to attack him because of it.
First off, town shouldn't have to say, Hey guys I'm gonna tell the truth cause I'm town! The only motive for doing this is to try and bolster town cred. Town telling the truth should be a given because Town don't have a reason to lie unless they are gambitting. This coupled with the slip of he will only lie about his role when he has no reason to as town makes him scum.
Secondly, I don't understand why you and emo voted for generic when he had valid reasons where as asenion just wants a policy lynch on zinger.
I voted for Generic because I felt his vote was extremely weak and opportunistic; the fact Emo and I voted at the same time is a coincidence.
It does appear to be a semantics thing cantrip, and I see what you are getting at now.
My vote isnt moving for the time being though, I want to hear from zinger himself before I do anything else.
The vote and attack is very opportunistic. And once explained on his misconceptions he is just digging down deeper on it being scummy despite evidence otherwise.
Opportunistic vote, bad attack, worse response, the mindset of scum.
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Pray tell, what is your opinion of Asenion re: NLP. I don't think one can get more opportunistic than policy lynching.
feel free to correct me if I missed any, I kinda skipped the one that looked 90% NLP. So yea, lots to talk about here (actually there is some, but with so many other points I have to speak on, I'll save it).
4&5 (or 3&4; or as I will soon point out just 3), restated:
4. You weren't even paying attention to the vote count.
5. You forced a name claim out of Generic extremely early by not paying attention to said vote count.
Again you ay the same thing twice, just with a bit more explenation. Also, I was paying attention to the votes, and I Had misssed Zinger's double post vote. But even if I wasn't, how is that a scum point against me?
On another note, that back and forth between Ego and Asenion looks like poor distancing to me. I also don't buy Asenion's convenient after-the-fact reasoning in #134. What all did you learn from it? I find it hard to believe you were just ending RVS when you're clearly very invested in Zinger's NLP. See below...
If you want to play without lying, that's fine. When you start talking about it, you are just making an excuse to not explain your mindsets and ignore questions.
It boils down to this: the way NLP is set/up makes it impossible to catch a scum Zinger because he wants us to be ok with him not explaining himself or answering questions that are inconvenient.
I will Unvote for the moment, but the first time he uses this as an excuse to not play the game, I plan to policy lynch him.
I like you Zinger. I'm also making it my business to ensure that you don't survive to end-game in any game I share with you. Lord help us if you, Iso, and I are all in a game, because my votes will be pretty much set.
Consider my vote on Asenion as well, but I think I'd prefer we lynch Ego first as I'm slightly more certain.[/quote]What back and forth between me and Assension? I have barely interacted with asssenion? no, I mean really?
How is it not town? I wanted more conversation so I could get a better read on people by seeing how they act/react.
Much of what I meant has been sarnath'd, but specifically:
• You started off with a disclaimer that you didn't realize the vote count, which would be believable, but you felt the need to distance yourself from the claim, even when you weren't the fifth vote on Generic.
• Even without reading the OP flavor, why would an un-cc'd name claim do anything for you?
• You indicate that you were trying to further conversation, but you're not contributing to the conversation yourself.
• You feel the need to finish with an excuse (tired).
Any one of the above alone wouldn't be that big a deal, but all four together pings my scumdar in a big way.
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Yes, because me adding conversation is so much the same as getting more conversation going. I already know what I am thinking. Also I never said it had to be about Generic. I honestly just wanted to shift focus away from the NLP and get to the bigger picture... which incidentally has worked.
I'd say that the shift away from the NLP happened independently of you coming under suspicion. And who else besides Generic would be the focus of conversation stemming from you confirming your vote on Generic (except, of course, unless you were trying to shift the conversation to yourself, heh)?
1. I started off by saying that I did a misscount, and I distanced myself from the situation because as was clearly stated by generic, I was the actual fifth vote, if I hadn't confirmed it possibly would not have lead to a claim.
2. Ever hear of Meta? Thor, one of the main Avengers, good guy; Knowing my identity (forthcoming), plausible to be in game; possibility for scum gambit? next to 0.
3.I contribute in my own ways, sorry it isn't up to your standards
4. Excuse? for what? for not posting more? I felt I had given enough info to hold out until the next time I had posted. Would you like me to write you an essay next time, when I'm equally tired? How about this, the next time you say you are tired or have to go somewhere, I'll count it as a point for you being scum. /sarcsm.
5. Yes, because as was stated earlier, there was SOOOO much non-NLP convo going on. /sarcasm. Okay I'm sorry, I'm being a little rough with the sarcasm, let me just ay Ibid (means read above)
How is it not town? I wanted more conversation so I could get a better read on people by seeing how they act/react.
Much of what I meant has been sarnath'd, but specifically:
• You started off with a disclaimer that you didn't realize the vote count, which would be believable, but you felt the need to distance yourself from the claim, even when you weren't the fifth vote on Generic. • Even without reading the OP flavor, why would an un-cc'd name claim do anything for you? • You indicate that you were trying to further conversation, but you're not contributing to the conversation yourself. • You feel the need to finish with an excuse (tired).
Any one of the above alone wouldn't be that big a deal, but all four together pings my scumdar in a big way.
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Yes, because me adding conversation is so much the same as getting more conversation going. I already know what I am thinking. Also I never said it had to be about Generic. I honestly just wanted to shift focus away from the NLP and get to the bigger picture... which incidentally has worked.
I'd say that the shift away from the NLP happened independently of you coming under suspicion. And who else besides Generic would be the focus of conversation stemming from you confirming your vote on Generic (except, of course, unless you were trying to shift the conversation to yourself, heh)?
/barn this.
The biggest sticking point to me is how easily Id_Ego was willing to clear Generic on his name claim alone.
And, with the body snatchers scheme aside, wouldn't you? Don't answer that. But think about it. Also, Ibid if you don't think thi answeres your question.
I'm kind of uncertain in this game after being thrown off my trail and I usually put great weight behind my first "real" vote of the game, so I hadn't voted yet. I'm ok with an Id lynch though and probably hawk too after that last post. I'm always game to lynch Zinger as well.
My only meaningful opinion I have a feeling on is his NLP which I amusing. But that has no bearing on his alignment. The rest I've sort of ignored as not important. I have other things to care about, like getting Id_Ego lynched for being scum.
So your only meaningful opinion is lurking? Cuz That seem to be what you are doing
Next vote is for a claim, I think his silence up to now is disconcerting, and I don't want him to have too much opportunity to tailor a false claim. vote ID ego
That's L-2 people so hold votes until he has responded.
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I didn't realize generic was on 5 votes, i thought he wa still on 4...
My confirm vote was an attempt to put pressure on Generic to get a bit more convo flow, sadly it lead to a claim, which there is no counter claim to as far as I see. The claim is believable since we are all power charecters.
I have nothing further to add atm as I am tirde... goodnight.
This post is bad. Flawed logic is flawed.
@ID_Ego - How much experience do you have playing mafia? You mention being tired; approximately how long had you been deprived of sleep at the time of your post?
Also, I'm interested in taking this NLP out for a spin.
Zinger, if you were scum this game and a no lynch happened toDay, who would you nightkill and why? I realize you are V/LA, just answer when you get a chance.
I'm not too sure this came from a town mindset.
Why did you feel the need to ask this question? No matter how Zinger answers, he would be perceived as scummy. All I see here is a cheap shot on Zinger, and a question that, if answered, would create a plethora of WIFOM.
I've had about 5 games, with... 3? ending in me getting NK/lynch night 1/2. so.... as it goes, not a whole lot.
As for how long I was... that question is jusst insulting. How long should I have been sleep deprived before I have your permission to go to sleep intead of posting more in a forum?
I checked right before I went to bed, saw some things had changed, felt the need to adress them, did, went to sleep.
Do I have your permission to do that? NO? DONT CARE!
If Id_Ego flips scum we need to look deeply at Hansanator.
Really? because he is asking me questions instead of putting me at L-1? I do agree we need to look at him becaue he is lurky and fence sitty. But if the shoe (wagon) were on someone else, I wouldn't go with you on this one.... well, not for your apparent reason of scum-buddyness.
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Zinger, if you were scum this game and a no lynch happened toDay, who would you nightkill and why? I realize you are V/LA, just answer when you get a chance.
If I was scum this game, which I am not, and assuming I had control over the night kill (presumes I am the don or something in this scenario?), which I don't, AND the day ended in a no lynch, which I hope it won't, I would use the nightkill to blow one of the players voting Id_Ego to itty bitty pieces. I would do this because I believe it would create the most WIFOM.
Now that I have humoured you, perhaps you will humour me. Why would you ask such a nonsensical hypothetical question like that? It is too hypothetical in nature to tell you anything useful about me at all. Also, you prefaced your question with the desire to test my NLP, yet you asked a question that, as per Section 2 of that policy, is completely useless at testing it. If you really wanted to test my alignment you would ask alignment neutral questions like "Do you have a night action?", "Can you talk to anybody else about this game outside the thread?", "Is your role a super hero?", or "Does your character have boobies?" (P.S. She does, and they are quite nice), etc, etc. But then, you know, you would be fishing, which I can understand is something you would want to avoid by asking weird hypothetical questions if you are scum, but if you were town I think you would really just get straight to the point.
Next vote is for a claim, I think his silence up to now is disconcerting, and I don't want him to have too much opportunity to tailor a false claim. vote ID ego
That's L-2 people so hold votes until he has responded.
Fair enough. Claim time!!!!!!
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@Non-liar-pants: Do you think Hawk is scum beyond reasonable doubt? Is he the most likely to be scum in this game from your perspective?
Beyond reasonable doubt? No. Enough to merit a vote and possibly even a wagon that pushes him to claim? Sure. Most likely scum so far? If he wasn't I would be voting someone else.
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I didn't realize generic was on 5 votes, i thought he wa still on 4...
My confirm vote was an attempt to put pressure on Generic to get a bit more convo flow, sadly it lead to a claim, which there is no counter claim to as far as I see. The claim is believable since we are all power charecters.
I have nothing further to add atm as I am tirde... goodnight.
This post is bad. Flawed logic is flawed.
@ID_Ego - How much experience do you have playing mafia? You mention being tired; approximately how long had you been deprived of sleep at the time of your post?
Also, I'm interested in taking this NLP out for a spin.
Zinger, if you were scum this game and a no lynch happened toDay, who would you nightkill and why? I realize you are V/LA, just answer when you get a chance.
I'm not too sure this came from a town mindset.
Why did you feel the need to ask this question? No matter how Zinger answers, he would be perceived as scummy. All I see here is a cheap shot on Zinger, and a question that, if answered, would create a plethora of WIFOM.
I've had about 5 games, with... 3? ending in me getting NK/lynch night 1/2. so.... as it goes, not a whole lot.
As for how long I was... that question is jusst insulting. How long should I have been sleep deprived before I have your permission to go to sleep intead of posting more in a forum?
I checked right before I went to bed, saw some things had changed, felt the need to adress them, did, went to sleep.
Do I have your permission to do that? NO? DONT CARE!
Sorry.... I didn't intend to insult you.
I just saw some stuff in your post that didn't make a whole lot of sense to me and at the end you said you were tired. I was just curious as to whether or not your tiredness was the cause of some of the suspect assertions you made. I know that my brain loses nearly all function when I'm sleepy.
@Hawk- Would you please explain yourself now that Zinger has answered? I cannot think of how that question could do any good whatsoever.
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I am Black Widow. and since a name claim means literaly nothing, and we all have powers, I am the vote thief. I can choose a player who does not get a vote tomorrow. I am town. I am a sexy redheaded woman (yes she is!)
Do you assume the vote of the person that you steal from?
To clarify, if you were to use it on Player A toNight, would you have a second vote tomorrow along with Player A not being able to vote, or is the vote that you steal simply gone for the rest of the day?
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I am Black Widow. and since a name claim means literaly nothing, and we all have powers, I am the vote thief. I can choose a player who does not get a vote tomorrow. I am town. I am a sexy redheaded woman (yes she is!)
This claim sounds believable (and no counterclaim from me), but I could see it on scum just as easily as town.
I know it' a bit early for this but...
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Are you asking for a votecount, or actually a postcount? The latter can be obtained by clicking on the number in the "Replies" column for this thread in the main Mafia forum thread. If you're looking for a votecount, most mods will provide them by request, as long as the requests don't get out of hand.
I'd like to spend some more time examining Ego's responses before we decide to lynch/not lynch. Also, has anyone in here played with him previously (and, if so, are you seeing similarities to the game(s) you played with him)?
EWP: That's a good question from Hans. To go along with it, is this a limited ability, or can you do it every night?
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First off, I'd like to say that Zinger's NLP means absolutely nothing to me: I am no more inclined to believe him over anyone else in this game. It's incredibly easy to deceive others through internet communication, and I don't see anything binding Zinger to his policy aside from his word, so I will still take whatever he says with a grain of salt, just in case.
I don't like how Generic has switched from attacking Zinger to attacking iRebel, but I suppose his actions are justified by the amount of people on his band wagon. Naturally he would become defensive when he is close to being lynched, so I can see why he would try attacking his attackers to divert some people's opinions.
@Generic: In post 38 you accused iRebel of "riding to [Zinger's] rescue." Do you believe that they are buddying, or do feel that there is a dichotomy between them? Explain your answer if possible.
I'm really not a fan of Gifts' post #103. Mayhaps it's just because I don't follow the logic behind the vote. I know that he later tried to explain it, but I don't see the correlation between his 3rd quote and scum trying to attack low hanging fruit.
I believe that Cantripmancer is leaning town. In the NLP fiasco early in the game, I thought that he seemed very fair throughout. I like how he clarified the misunderstanding in #52, but still asked Zinger about his intentions regarding the policy. I also like his approach to iRebel vs. Generic in #96. It shows that he is analyzing both aspects of the argument, rather than just choosing a side.
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Right, now that I understand where you're coming from, I'm a bit perplexed you'd try and seriously make the "voodoo" or "clairvoyance" argument. I answered hawk's question with everything to date I found applicable; had you not of posted I'd of left it at the way you went after Zinger.
Come to think of it, I think I've said this twice or more now. You're really trying to make a mountain out of a non-existent molehill.
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Where did he claim anything other than him being Thor? The scum are skrull, so the characters themselves mean nothing since they can be faked. Yet you are willing to believe him because of an un-CC'd name claim.
As for your initial vote this explanation just makes it worse.
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Still don't like Generic and his mudslinging calling those on his wagons hypocrites defense. But this response is so weird and so up in the air fine with something that doesn't exist that it just isn't right.
Interesting contradiction in the bolded
There was plenty of conversation flowing which you were not a part of. Why are you insisting on trying to get more conversation started about generic without being a part of it?
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You felt the need to vote me without even giving me a chance to anwer the question in place?
I'd like to know why you started a "policy lynch" vote and ended RVS, in the first place instead of just saying what is on your mind?
And since everyone is now putting pressure on me for doing exactly this, why would you not explain your vote here?
How is it not town? I wanted more conversation so I could get a better read on people by seeing how they act/react.
Okay I actually missed the first paragraph about the shapehifting because I saw a spoiler tag and clicked it and became interseted in who died rather than the first part. Now I know, and knowing is half the battle. Intereting plot scheme to prevent Meta.
Yes, because me adding conversation is so much the same as getting more conversation going. I already know what I am thinking. Also I never said it had to be about Generic. I honestly just wanted to shift focus away from the NLP and get to the bigger picture... which incidentally has worked.
Now, with all that said... I really didn't like Generic's initial vote of ZInger becuase he based it solely on the fact that Zinger had a NLP. No more than I liked assenion's vote for the same reasons.
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You answered your own question. I pretty much always end RVS in all my games unless someone else does it really fast.
You can dislike my vote all you want, it had the effect I desired. RVS ended, I got explanations from Zinger, we got an initial wagon or two to analyze, and discussion started in a way that I feel is pretty healthy for the game.
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Why vote for generic over asenion and not even mention asenion until now? If you don't like generic no more than asenion, that means you disliked both of them equally and didn't even mention one.
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Let me answer this with another question. Why are you scum?
Let me count the ways!
1. First post out of RVS is a massive textwall of "confirm vote".
2. That was post #68. RVS ending at post #25. Forty-three posts of content related to the game and your contribution is "confirm vote".
3. Paraphrasing, your explanation for said post is "I wanted to start some conversation" and "I wanted to apply pressure". When there was already plenty of conversation you could participate in and obviously plenty of pressure.
4. You weren't even paying attention to the vote count.
5. You forced a name claim out of Generic extremely early by not paying attention to said vote count.
On another note, that back and forth between Ego and Asenion looks like poor distancing to me. I also don't buy Asenion's convenient after-the-fact reasoning in #134. What all did you learn from it? I find it hard to believe you were just ending RVS when you're clearly very invested in Zinger's NLP. See below...
Consider my vote on Asenion as well, but I think I'd prefer we lynch Ego first as I'm slightly more certain.
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Much of what I meant has been sarnath'd, but specifically:
• You started off with a disclaimer that you didn't realize the vote count, which would be believable, but you felt the need to distance yourself from the claim, even when you weren't the fifth vote on Generic.
• Even without reading the OP flavor, why would an un-cc'd name claim do anything for you?
• You indicate that you were trying to further conversation, but you're not contributing to the conversation yourself.
• You feel the need to finish with an excuse (tired).
Any one of the above alone wouldn't be that big a deal, but all four together pings my scumdar in a big way.
I'd say that the shift away from the NLP happened independently of you coming under suspicion. And who else besides Generic would be the focus of conversation stemming from you confirming your vote on Generic (except, of course, unless you were trying to shift the conversation to yourself, heh)?
Why not just search the thread rather than "spotlight" like this?
In regards to parinoid, he is V/LA. I remember seeing this post because the 24th is my birthday
Generic, can you answer this question:
@Generic: In post 38 you accused iRebel of "riding to [Zinger's] rescue." Do you believe that they are buddying, or do feel that there is a dichotomy between them? Explain your answer if possible.
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/barn this.
The biggest sticking point to me is how easily Id_Ego was willing to clear Generic on his name claim alone.
/barn as well. Very well said.
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@Generic: Sorry for the slow reply! I sleep during the day, so I don't always get to update as fast as possible. As mentioned, parinoid's on V/LA for 2 more days And here's a bonus vote count since stuff has happened!
Vote Count:
Id_Ego (3) - Emocakes, Cantripmancer, Guardman
iRebel (1) - Generic
Emocakes (1) - 7hawk77
Generic (1) - iRebel
Zinger2099 (1) - GiftsTrix
Not voting (5) - Asenion, hansanator, Id_Ego, parinoid, Zinger2099
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I do not like 133. Specifically I do not like the ciritque on Gen for ending RVS, yet he claims he is trying to generate discussion.
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I was trying to bait out any reaction from ego or emo but you were the only one to respond.
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My only meaningful opinion I have a feeling on is his NLP which I amusing. But that has no bearing on his alignment. The rest I've sort of ignored as not important. I have other things to care about, like getting Id_Ego lynched for being scum.
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The basic case against him is that he seemed clueless about the fact that Thor could easily be scum as well as mafia in this game, but I have a hard time believing that scum could possibly be clueless about this fact.
Still, it does feel like a pretty dumb thing to say. Even if he is unaware of the skrull invasion he should know about things like games not being breakable by flavour and safe fake-claims being provided for the scum and all that jazz. Very fishy indeed.
I am comfortable with lynching him today regardless, but want to wait and see his claim before deciding on placing my vote on him, since he is at L-2.
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Sorry about this, but my head won't be in a place suitable to participate for a little bit longer.
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What didn't you like about my post?
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Zinger, if you were scum this game and a no lynch happened toDay, who would you nightkill and why? I realize you are V/LA, just answer when you get a chance.
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This post is bad. Flawed logic is flawed.
@ID_Ego - How much experience do you have playing mafia? You mention being tired; approximately how long had you been deprived of sleep at the time of your post?
I'm not too sure this came from a town mindset.
Why did you feel the need to ask this question? No matter how Zinger answers, he would be perceived as scummy. All I see here is a cheap shot on Zinger, and a question that, if answered, would create a plethora of WIFOM.
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In this post:
You said that you were waiting to vote until you saw what the rest of us did. This shows that you are basing your actions on what others think of the game state and playing a reactionary game. Coupled with this post:
Which is responding to someone suggesting pressure on you, and it shows a clear scum mindset.
-Strike 1: Wanting to evaluate others opinions and react to them before forming opinions of your own.
-Strike 2: Arrogance in the face of your own safety.
-Strike 3: Reminding people that their lynch choices are "limited" and suggesting that they have to lynch from a specific pool of people that you have approved.
Ladies and gentlemen, I present our first scum lynch of the game.
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What don't you like about my explenation?
Do you state all of your dislikes just before voting? And how did I not mention one? i did confirm vote did I not? why would I do that if I like Generic?
I was in fact, talking about the two statements that imediately preceeded your vote, but now realize they had no bearing on your vote whatsoever... as far as I can see
Let's really count the ways shall we?
1&2 are the same thing. you called it a text wall in 1, and used 2 to explain what that text well was about. so really, that' just 1. and I won't deny that I did not add anything coming out of RVS, but the point of my vote was really to get out of NLP, which was conintuing PASSED RVS. More to this below
3 (or 2):, Really? Lots of conversation? tell me where, in the page before my confirm vote the conversation was about anything but the NLP? Here, let me save you time.
feel free to correct me if I missed any, I kinda skipped the one that looked 90% NLP. So yea, lots to talk about here (actually there is some, but with so many other points I have to speak on, I'll save it).
4&5 (or 3&4; or as I will soon point out just 3), restated:
4. You weren't even paying attention to the vote count.
5. You forced a name claim out of Generic extremely early by not paying attention to said vote count.
Again you ay the same thing twice, just with a bit more explenation. Also, I was paying attention to the votes, and I Had misssed Zinger's double post vote. But even if I wasn't, how is that a scum point against me?
Consider my vote on Asenion as well, but I think I'd prefer we lynch Ego first as I'm slightly more certain.[/quote]What back and forth between me and Assension? I have barely interacted with asssenion? no, I mean really?
1. I started off by saying that I did a misscount, and I distanced myself from the situation because as was clearly stated by generic, I was the actual fifth vote, if I hadn't confirmed it possibly would not have lead to a claim.
2. Ever hear of Meta? Thor, one of the main Avengers, good guy; Knowing my identity (forthcoming), plausible to be in game; possibility for scum gambit? next to 0.
3.I contribute in my own ways, sorry it isn't up to your standards
4. Excuse? for what? for not posting more? I felt I had given enough info to hold out until the next time I had posted. Would you like me to write you an essay next time, when I'm equally tired? How about this, the next time you say you are tired or have to go somewhere, I'll count it as a point for you being scum. /sarcsm.
5. Yes, because as was stated earlier, there was SOOOO much non-NLP convo going on. /sarcasm. Okay I'm sorry, I'm being a little rough with the sarcasm, let me just ay Ibid (means read above)
What? Why? What bearing on the game would this have? And what justifiable reason do I have?
And, with the body snatchers scheme aside, wouldn't you? Don't answer that. But think about it. Also, Ibid if you don't think thi answeres your question.
You mean this one? The one that ended the RVS? You usually stick to those?
So your only meaningful opinion is lurking? Cuz That seem to be what you are doing
I'm requoting this in my next post.
I've had about 5 games, with... 3? ending in me getting NK/lynch night 1/2. so.... as it goes, not a whole lot.
As for how long I was... that question is jusst insulting. How long should I have been sleep deprived before I have your permission to go to sleep intead of posting more in a forum?
I checked right before I went to bed, saw some things had changed, felt the need to adress them, did, went to sleep.
Do I have your permission to do that? NO? DONT CARE!
Really? because he is asking me questions instead of putting me at L-1? I do agree we need to look at him becaue he is lurky and fence sitty. But if the shoe (wagon) were on someone else, I wouldn't go with you on this one.... well, not for your apparent reason of scum-buddyness.
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Alright. Let's dance!
If I was scum this game, which I am not, and assuming I had control over the night kill (presumes I am the don or something in this scenario?), which I don't, AND the day ended in a no lynch, which I hope it won't, I would use the nightkill to blow one of the players voting Id_Ego to itty bitty pieces. I would do this because I believe it would create the most WIFOM.
Now that I have humoured you, perhaps you will humour me. Why would you ask such a nonsensical hypothetical question like that? It is too hypothetical in nature to tell you anything useful about me at all. Also, you prefaced your question with the desire to test my NLP, yet you asked a question that, as per Section 2 of that policy, is completely useless at testing it. If you really wanted to test my alignment you would ask alignment neutral questions like "Do you have a night action?", "Can you talk to anybody else about this game outside the thread?", "Is your role a super hero?", or "Does your character have boobies?" (P.S. She does, and they are quite nice), etc, etc. But then, you know, you would be fishing, which I can understand is something you would want to avoid by asking weird hypothetical questions if you are scum, but if you were town I think you would really just get straight to the point.
Vote: 7Hawk77.
Anymore questions you want to fire at me?
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I AM (not, I just thought it would be cool to say this) IRONMAN!
Okay giddyness over. And darn whoever has the real right to say that line
I am Black Widow. and since a name claim means literaly nothing, and we all have powers, I am the vote thief. I can choose a player who does not get a vote tomorrow. I am town. I am a sexy redheaded woman (yes she is!)
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If you don't do them by request I understand, but I like it better when a nuetral party does them
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Beyond reasonable doubt? No. Enough to merit a vote and possibly even a wagon that pushes him to claim? Sure. Most likely scum so far? If he wasn't I would be voting someone else.
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Sorry.... I didn't intend to insult you.
I just saw some stuff in your post that didn't make a whole lot of sense to me and at the end you said you were tired. I was just curious as to whether or not your tiredness was the cause of some of the suspect assertions you made. I know that my brain loses nearly all function when I'm sleepy.
@Hawk- Would you please explain yourself now that Zinger has answered? I cannot think of how that question could do any good whatsoever.
Previous Mafia Experience:
Mafia aligned: 2/0 -100%
Town aligned: 4/3 - 57%
Do you assume the vote of the person that you steal from?
To clarify, if you were to use it on Player A toNight, would you have a second vote tomorrow along with Player A not being able to vote, or is the vote that you steal simply gone for the rest of the day?
Previous Mafia Experience:
Mafia aligned: 2/0 -100%
Town aligned: 4/3 - 57%
This claim sounds believable (and no counterclaim from me), but I could see it on scum just as easily as town.
Are you asking for a votecount, or actually a postcount? The latter can be obtained by clicking on the number in the "Replies" column for this thread in the main Mafia forum thread. If you're looking for a votecount, most mods will provide them by request, as long as the requests don't get out of hand.
I'd like to spend some more time examining Ego's responses before we decide to lynch/not lynch. Also, has anyone in here played with him previously (and, if so, are you seeing similarities to the game(s) you played with him)?
EWP: That's a good question from Hans. To go along with it, is this a limited ability, or can you do it every night?