So, in conjunction with the Mafia Design Throwdown, we were also thinking we'd start preparing for an inter-site throwdown between MTGS players, and mafiascum players, using the League scoring system.
For venue, we were thinking we'd start off on Mafiascum, and switch back and forth a bit, depending on how many games we're set to play.
In order to organize that, we were hoping that folks who are familiar with mafiascum can point us in the right directon/act as liaisons and contact information people for us, helping us get in touch with their leadership and players who would be suited to play and to judge.
We also figured we'd use that as an opportunity to also promote the design throwdown, in case there's some folks who'd find that interesting, as well.
As yet, not sure whether this will be an elite squad vs. elite squad sort of thing, or whether we can finagle a way to make it more inclusive.
Raise your hand if you can pitch in with that, or are interested in participating.
I can think of a few people at mafia scum that can help set this up. Zoraster last year had set up a team mafia game. I can still talk to high ups and see how they feel about a mafia throw down.
If you want to contact anyone about the idea I suggest Mr. Flay. Last I read mith was taking personal time off away from mafia scum and Flay was in charge.
Oh as for judges, usually the people who have been their the longest or list mods have been asked to judge games before.
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mafia win/lose record
town (12) 6/6
mafia (2) 2/0
Cult (1) 1/0
3rd party (0) 0/0
Is MTGS one of the main online mafia places besides mafiascum? I didn't know we were very popular or well known...
At various times we've been considered an alternative to mafiascum, but I'd say we're probably less well known now than we once were, despite having increased our overall activity. There used to be a limited amount of fraternization between the various mafia sites I used to frequent, but a lot of the smaller sites lost numbers and died out, and the number of members who play on multiple sites took a bit of a downturn for the past several years. Recently, we've started seeing more players crossing over again, but I'd be surprised if the leadership at 'scum was aware of us. Five or six years ago, we had some limited amount of interactions with them and contacts with a handful of their good players, but its been a long time since we reached out to them.
Many years ago, I recall a list of a number of spots that had decent, medium-size mafia communities comparable in size to ours, but I haven't heard much about them ever since. I'm not sure they still exist.
'Scum is obviously the largest presence by far - they have 14,000 members.
On the other hand, at this given moment in time, they have 59 people browsing their forums, counting guests. Despite a much smaller player base, we have 20, which is a fairly average baseline number for us.
Essentially, what that represents is that we're an unusually tight-knit and active community. We have a lot of good people here, a lot of memories, and creativity, and that's helped us stay alive and grow long after other sites have failed. We have very strong retention.
I've played in a few 'scum games, and they were ok, but they tend to have a much more haphazard and random playstyle. I've encountered a number of their players who are quite formiddable, but a lot of them don't take it very seriously. I've also heard of some pretty cutting-edge, creative designs taking place on 'scum over the years, that sounded pretty fascinating. It has its strengths. But people tend to come and go. I've always preferred playing on smaller communities with a higher ratio of talent and commitment.
I suppose Misetings probably had MTGS beat in terms of player quality, back in the day. And I'd probably expect 'scum to have an edge on us, as well, in terms of their top tier players. Still, I expect we could show them a thing or two they haven't seen before, and the competition should be interesting.
2011: Best Mafia Performance (Individual) - Best Newcomer
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
Note on membership figures: My impression is that Scum took a major hit to the active playerbase in the last two years or so; part of that's due to a site crash they suffered last winter (or was that 2011? I've lost track), but part of that is just a bunch of old players moving on. (I know that I chose to delurk here rather than try another rebuild on Scum [after a 2011 site flake and controversial mod decision] due to the playerbase changes.)
I'm not sure on Scum's player quality being better than here - if it ever was, it was probably before even my time. Glork/Flay/Yos2/MoS and a few others could give MTGS's best players a run for their money, but there's a reason why Scum single-faction games generally have ~20% scum as opposed to the ~25% typical here. (The loss of oldtimers doesn't help in this regard - most of the really good players are either gone or no longer playing.)
My best bets for getting this set up would be contacting either Flay (as mentioned) or Vi (authority position, last of the old guard I worked with). I'd be willing to facilitate with Vi (or Flay if necessary, but Vi will recognize me); I'm by no means sure that I want to participate in any other fashion, though (in particular, there's a couple of users I would prefer to have nothing to do with ever again).
Note on membership figures: My impression is that Scum took a major hit to the active playerbase in the last two years or so; part of that's due to a site crash they suffered last winter (or was that 2011? I've lost track), but part of that is just a bunch of old players moving on. (I know that I chose to delurk here rather than try another rebuild on Scum [after a 2011 site flake and controversial mod decision] due to the playerbase changes.)
Hmm. So they haven't been immune to burnout, either.
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I'm not sure on Scum's player quality being better than here - if it ever was, it was probably before even my time. Glork/Flay/Yos2/MoS and a few others could give MTGS's best players a run for their money, but there's a reason why Scum single-faction games generally have ~20% scum as opposed to the ~25% typical here. (The loss of oldtimers doesn't help in this regard - most of the really good players are either gone or no longer playing.)
MoS was one of the guys I knew, and we were both together in the original League game together between MTGNews, MTGS, Misetings, and 'scum, that was abandoned halfway through.
And Yoss, well, it's safe to say that I am extremely familiar with Yoss, as we started playing together on 'tings and have been in maybe a dozen games together. Still cross paths now and then.
Are either of them still around over there?
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My best bets for getting this set up would be contacting either Flay (as mentioned) or Vi (authority position, last of the old guard I worked with). I'd be willing to facilitate with Vi (or Flay if necessary, but Vi will recognize me); I'm by no means sure that I want to participate in any other fashion, though (in particular, there's a couple of users I would prefer to have nothing to do with ever again).
Also: farside!
Hmmm, noted. Thanks.
EDIT: Wait a minute. Chamber, our Chamber, is in a position of authority over there? So that's where he wandered off to. Heh.
Yeah, p_b is a mod there. I think Tan plays there. I know Axelrod does. I've seen Chamber around a few times. I also know a handful of people from TFE's site who play there. And I have 3 games under my belt from there. Anyone else wanna step forward?
2011: Best Mafia Performance (Individual) - Best Newcomer
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
Hello folks, this is Azrael from the mafia council on MTGSalvation.
About five years ago, MoS, Yoss2, myself, and about nine other players participated in the first Mafia League, a friendly competition between the best players on four different websites, Mtgsalvation, MTGnews, Misetings, and 'Scum to determine whose players were the most boss. We never really figured out a workable scoring system at the time, and the mod abandoned the game halfway through, so it never fully got off the ground.
Flash forward to the present. 'Scum and 'tings no longer exist, but MTGS is going stronger than ever, and we've figured out a workable league scoring system that we've been using to run a tournament of our own.
That being the case, we're officially calling you out.
We'd like to work with you to organize a series of games between a selection of players on both sides, hosted alternately on both sites. We share our scoring rubric, hammer out the details on judging and hosting, and let the fun commence. If all goes well, we might make it a regular thing.
We also happen to be running a setup design contest at the moment, which might be a good way to pick one or more of the games in the series. We've had one or two people from scum write submissions for it already, and we wouldn't mind if others want to try out.
I expect this would be a good way to build up interest and activity on both sites, maybe bring some older players out of the woodwork, and put an interesting, addictive new twist on the mafia concept.
I'm sad that I'm a bit too green for this.
If I had more experience, I would very much like to participate.
But I can't call myself a good Mafia player yet
Yeah, p_b is a mod there. I think Tan plays there. I know Axelrod does. I've seen Chamber around a few times. I also know a handful of people from TFE's site who play there. And I have 3 games under my belt from there. Anyone else wanna step forward?
I don't play there with any regularity anymore, but I've kept my toe in the water. About 1 game a year over there for the past several years now.
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Yeah, p_b is a mod there. I think Tan plays there. I know Axelrod does. I've seen Chamber around a few times. I also know a handful of people from TFE's site who play there. And I have 3 games under my belt from there. Anyone else wanna step forward?
I don't play there with any regularity anymore, but I've kept my toe in the water. About 1 game a year over there for the past several years now.
I know, I saw you commenting in the awards thread at the end of last year. I said hi but you didn't reply.
2011: Best Mafia Performance (Individual) - Best Newcomer
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
I'm sad that I'm a bit too green for this.
If I had more experience, I would very much like to participate.
But I can't call myself a good Mafia player yet
/barn. I can't even hold my own here yet, let alone even think I could stand shoulder-to-shoulder as our best take on their best. Perhaps in a few years =(
So assuming we get this off the ground, I wonder how we should go about selecting our reps - whether by vote, or another mechanism.
I'm thinking a minimum of six slots, probably some alternates. DYH, Iso, probably Axelrod spring to mind. I wish we still had Rafk. Hmm. Perhaps KCC. I've always thought Seppel is phenomenal at reading people, though not always at getting them lynched.
Of course, we also need people who are good at both alignments.
EDIT: I've slept around at other mafia gatherings (Tings, MafiaScum, EpicMafia, Px2, The CB, TalkRational, etc.), and I'd have to say that Tings was the only place where I experienced higher-level play than on MTGS. JSexton is a beast.
2011: Best Mafia Performance (Individual) - Best Newcomer
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
ZDS comes to mind, although I think before you guys create your team is best to check with MS if they are really interested. Just let Tar and Farside free reign to deal with this is best imho.
I'm saying this because I've once advertised about this community in a thread there and my post was deleted or something, so I don't know how receptive their moderators are to let people from there participate in a game here and possibly spread the word and syphon their playerbase.
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The game is not being dumbed down. Control is doing fine; Draw-Go is not the only kind of control. Aggro is doing fine; Red Deck Wins is not the only kind of aggro. Creature combat is an important core concept and belongs in every color. Mythic rarity is not destroying the game. People whine too much for no good reason. Magic is more popular than ever, so keep calm, brew some decks and play some damn cards.
EDIT: I've slept around at other mafia gatherings (Tings, MafiaScum, EpicMafia, Px2, The CB, TalkRational, etc.), and I'd have to say that Tings was the only place where I experienced higher-level play than on MTGS. JSexton is a beast.
Yeah, 'tings was full of win. Vesuvan, Dantes, Rider, Grakthis (lol), Yoss, Burboy, Jsexy, Pale Mage, Nicotine Jones...so many heavy-weights.
They've got a reunion game going on GG now for the first time in a good long while, with pretty much the entire remaining playerbase. All seventeen of them. *sigh* GG's front page just doesn't pull in the same level of outside traffic to keep them going very strong, unfortunately.
Eds: Buzzed them to see if they're interested in getting in on this.
Note on membership figures: My impression is that Scum took a major hit to the active playerbase in the last two years or so; part of that's due to a site crash they suffered last winter (or was that 2011? I've lost track), but part of that is just a bunch of old players moving on. (I know that I chose to delurk here rather than try another rebuild on Scum [after a 2011 site flake and controversial mod decision] due to the playerbase changes.)
I'm not sure on Scum's player quality being better than here - if it ever was, it was probably before even my time. Glork/Flay/Yos2/MoS and a few others could give MTGS's best players a run for their money, but there's a reason why Scum single-faction games generally have ~20% scum as opposed to the ~25% typical here. (The loss of oldtimers doesn't help in this regard - most of the really good players are either gone or no longer playing.)
My best bets for getting this set up would be contacting either Flay (as mentioned) or Vi (authority position, last of the old guard I worked with). I'd be willing to facilitate with Vi (or Flay if necessary, but Vi will recognize me); I'm by no means sure that I want to participate in any other fashion, though (in particular, there's a couple of users I would prefer to have nothing to do with ever again).
So assuming we get this off the ground, I wonder how we should go about selecting our reps - whether by vote, or another mechanism.
I'm thinking a minimum of six slots, probably some alternates. DYH, Iso, probably Axelrod spring to mind. I wish we still had Rafk. Hmm. Perhaps KCC. I've always thought Seppel is phenomenal at reading people, though not always at getting them lynched.
Of course, we also need people who are good at both alignments.
Who else?
Can I be on both teams? Just kidding.
I'm not surprised at the interest, I'll log in today to see what there saying in the hive , if anything
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mafia win/lose record
town (12) 6/6
mafia (2) 2/0
Cult (1) 1/0
3rd party (0) 0/0
2011: Best Mafia Performance (Individual) - Best Newcomer
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
I'm contacting you in reference to the proposed Mafia League. I'm the Large Theme List Moderator (basically I coordinate the vast majority of large games) for the site. I have also run a not-entirely-dissimilar endeavor in Team Mafia.
I am not necessarily in charge of this if we move forward, but I can act as the contact person. On first glance, this looks promising; however, there are a number of things we'll want to find out more about. The following are my own thoughts and questions and do not necessarily represent those of the administration. If you don't find satisfaction with me, you are more than welcome to take it up with another person.
Style of Play
At first glance, it seems that MTGS plays in a similar manner as Mafiascum. We generally play slower games than most sites here, where Days generally last for two weeks or longer. But your deadlines for the game seem possibly even slower? I think our players may grow restless if the Days last a month.
We also tend to place a higher premium on "Day" play than many other sites, and as such our setups are often not as haphazard and filled to the brim with power roles. While we don't expect everything to be played exactly how we do, we want to make sure there's enough similarity between the two sites that a long term engagement makes sense.
I'd love to hear more about the way you guys play. Can mafia talk during the day? Can players PM each other? What causes a lynch? What do you do with inactive players?
What in general are the biggest differences in play style (both official/rules based and unofficial/player based) that you know of between our sites?
What we both get out of it
We have a lot of MTG players on the site; you have a lot of mafia players. That on its own makes this promising. This could be a fun event.
Name
For obvious reasons, we don't want to help host and promote a series that's essentially an advertisement for another site without doing the same for us. As such, we'd probably want to come up with a good name for the League that incorporates both sites.
Control
This is a bigger sticking point. I'm not sure how much we'll push for it, but I think we probably would rather be something more than passive partners in this. We don't want to come in Godzilla style and ruin your carefully planned event or anything, but it's likely that we'll want to discuss how to shape and coordinate the event.
Scoring
I think you're going to find a lot of pushback on two fronts: the way you've allocated points and the role of judges. Neither of these are insurmountable, but a few issues I've noticed:
1. Judges will obviously need to be comprised of equal numbers MS and MTGS members.
2. There is a real value in the points on being a power role. That makes being a Vanilla Townie really disadvantageous. That may not be a problem if were were playing 100 games over which it'd all even out, but I can't imagine we'll get anything like that number. Furthermore, a good Vanilla Townie doesn't mind taking a death in N1. While you've accounted for this somewhat by giving an extra +1 for being NK as a VT, that doesn't make up for the fact that you can gain a lot more points by being on a scum lynch (+4 points), being on a scum at the end of the day but not being successful (+2), if you're a vig, shooting scum (+4 or +2 if you shoot any time you think you have a 50/50 shot), +2 if you investigate well, etc.
I haven't done the math to see what I'd expect the gap between a well played VT and a well played vigilante or cop to be, but I suspect it to be non-trivial.
3. Related to this, there is a premium on surviving each day. Not being lynched makes sense. But surviving the night doesn't really when you know that the mafia will often shoot at the most effective town player. This is reinforced because there is little hope for the judges to pick an early killed player as their #1 compared to someone who plays well and survives well into the game.
4. I see Cult listed as an option for points. I don't think this would be something most would be interested in. I also think Survivors are a poor fit for this format.
5. Why does a town get points for just being alive during a mafia lynch?
6. I'm not sure a mod should receive points for the league.
Logistics
How exactly do you see the League functioning between our sites?
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That's off the top of my head. I'm excited about the possibility. Please let me or any of the other team know if you have any questions on how we can help you.
Thanks!
Zoraster
Zoraster,
Just got back from a weekend vacation. We have a lot of material to cover, and I'm currently tied up with work, but I'll definitely be in touch and look forward to working together to hash out these details. Obviously, a partnership is in order, and we would be happy to make accommodations for the differences between the sites and hash out discrepancies in the current scoring criterion.
Relatively simple setups would be perfectly acceptable. To this point, our league games have each been pretty basic and stripped-down, which minimizes the difficulties of scoring power roles.
Deadlines, design, activity management, and playstyles vary substantially between games on MTGS. There is a little bit of everything, as we encourage hosts to choose the style they find best. Firm deadlines, especially in minis, would not be unfamiliar or problematic.
I didn't even realize we had a Cult scoring system.
I'm down with making the setups low-complexity, low-power, though as with the League here, I'd like to see a grand finale.
That aside, I don't particularly wish to partake in a cross-site League judge thing, so as head judge of our League, I'll abstain from judging this and opt to play if that's what's decided on. (Our own League is enough work for me. :p)
2011: Best Mafia Performance (Individual) - Best Newcomer
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
This is like the last thing that needs to be sorted over Iso, we don't even have a game yet meaning we don't know how many players it will be.
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The game is not being dumbed down. Control is doing fine; Draw-Go is not the only kind of control. Aggro is doing fine; Red Deck Wins is not the only kind of aggro. Creature combat is an important core concept and belongs in every color. Mythic rarity is not destroying the game. People whine too much for no good reason. Magic is more popular than ever, so keep calm, brew some decks and play some damn cards.
2011: Best Mafia Performance (Individual) - Best Newcomer
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
1. Judges will obviously need to be comprised of equal numbers MS and MTGS members.
Of course, the judges will need to have representatives from both sites. That is only fair.
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2. There is a real value in the points on being a power role. That makes being a Vanilla Townie really disadvantageous. That may not be a problem if were were playing 100 games over which it'd all even out, but I can't imagine we'll get anything like that number. Furthermore, a good Vanilla Townie doesn't mind taking a death in N1. While you've accounted for this somewhat by giving an extra +1 for being NK as a VT, that doesn't make up for the fact that you can gain a lot more points by being on a scum lynch (+4 points), being on a scum at the end of the day but not being successful (+2), if you're a vig, shooting scum (+4 or +2 if you shoot any time you think you have a 50/50 shot), +2 if you investigate well, etc.
I haven't done the math to see what I'd expect the gap between a well played VT and a well played vigilante or cop to be, but I suspect it to be non-trivial.
We agree. We've noticed this Vanilla issue as well, and have already discussed increasing the Vanilla NK bonus to +2. -We're still working out some of the kinks in the rubric, so any further balance input and/or suggestions are appreciated.
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3. Related to this, there is a premium on surviving each day. Not being lynched makes sense. But surviving the night doesn't really when you know that the mafia will often shoot at the most effective town player. This is reinforced because there is little hope for the judges to pick an early killed player as their #1 compared to someone who plays well and survives well into the game.
The bonus for being NKed and the additional bonus for being NKed first were both included to balance this out a bit. Beyond that, we think this is something that just needs to exist. If there are any ideas on how to make this fairer, we'd love to hear it, but we've found that it's fairly difficult to reward someone for excellent play when they only play a day or two of the game (and if a player who was killed early truly deserves more points, then the judges can award their bonus points there. But if the judges feel that the player doesn't really deserve it, then that judgement just needs to be trusted.)
Also, surviving longer isn't always a bonus. If a town player who was doing well is killed, and then the town plays poorly for the rest of the game, the dead player can easily end up with the highest score in the town.
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4. I see Cult listed as an option for points. I don't think this would be something most would be interested in. I also think Survivors are a poor fit for this format.
The cult scoring was included more for completeness than anything else. We're not expecting to use it much, or probably ever.
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5. Why does a town get points for just being alive during a mafia lynch?
Even when townies aren't directly involved in a scum's death, it is still a step towards completing their win condition, and so they are rewarded for that. Also, this is designed to cover the numerous ways in which townies could have helped the successful lynch come to pass, even if it wasn't with their vote.
And in the situations where a townie really doesn't deserve this bonus (such as after fiercely protesting the lynch) the judges may decide to not award those points. -An important thing to note is that the rubric isn't automatic; the listed totals are guidelines and the maximum values which can be awarded. And while those guidelines are followed a vast majority of the time, judges can use discretion there when it's needed.
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6. I'm not sure a mod should receive points for the league.
Mods do not receive points. It's possible the "mod award" bonus is being misinterpreted. What that +2 bonus means is that the host of the game may award bonus points to whoever they feel was the strongest player, in much the same way as each judge will also award an additional bonus to specific players. -If this was referencing something else, then I would need that clarified.
Note on membership figures: My impression is that Scum took a major hit to the active playerbase in the last two years or so; part of that's due to a site crash they suffered last winter (or was that 2011? I've lost track), but part of that is just a bunch of old players moving on. (I know that I chose to delurk here rather than try another rebuild on Scum [after a 2011 site flake and controversial mod decision] due to the playerbase changes.)
Hmm. So they haven't been immune to burnout, either.
Interestingly, it looks like a number of players who vanished a little before I did have come back fairly recently (mostly players who joined Scum around when I did).
Side note: AFAICT, the playerbase changes have shredded the more innovative side of the Scum game design base (or maybe they all switched to modding Micros, I'm not sure). OTOH Stoofer has vanished, Xyl is gone, I'm over here, Flay doesn't mod much nowadays, rajfreak has been gone for ages... and I'm bound to be forgetting a few, including a few who were before my time. There's a couple of good ones left (I'd recommend trying to get OhGodMyLife to help with the league setups, he's always been extremely solid at designing Normals), but a lot of the old creativity is gone.
I'm not sure on Scum's player quality being better than here - if it ever was, it was probably before even my time. Glork/Flay/Yos2/MoS and a few others could give MTGS's best players a run for their money, but there's a reason why Scum single-faction games generally have ~20% scum as opposed to the ~25% typical here. (The loss of oldtimers doesn't help in this regard - most of the really good players are either gone or no longer playing.)
MoS was one of the guys I knew, and we were both together in the original League game together between MTGNews, MTGS, Misetings, and 'scum, that was abandoned halfway through.
And Yoss, well, it's safe to say that I am extremely familiar with Yoss, as we started playing together on 'tings and have been in maybe a dozen games together. Still cross paths now and then.
Are either of them still around over there?
MoS is still active (just finished modding a game, I think?).
Interestingly, Yos2 has vanished in the *very* recent past (last 4-5 months). Not sure if that's due to RL, fallout from Sandy, or fallout from some recent policy changes on Scum.
Curiosity: Was petroleumjelly a Tings user? He's old school and probably still around, if not very active (one of the last games I played on Scum was run by him).
EDIT: Wait a minute. Chamber, our Chamber, is in a position of authority over there? So that's where he wandered off to. Heh.
Huh, that's new. I don't remember him being a mod when I was last there.
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Thought on name: maybe go simple and title it some variation of Scum vs. Salvation? (Unless Tings gets involved, in which case a more inclusive name will be needed.)
Note on any setups: Unless something has changed in the last 2 years or so (and given zoraster's reply above, that's unlikely), note that Scum HATES Survivors - when I was last there, the role was more hated than Cult Leader (comparable to Jester).
2011: Best Mafia Performance (Individual) - Best Newcomer
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
Also: I would really rather play on our site. I am much more comfortable with our forum software and have found it nigh-impossible to format posts the way I like on MafiaScum. Our vBulletin is really easy to pick up - they should catch on in no time.
I could probably get TFE's site's Mafia players in on it, too, if you guys think that might be fun. Generic and I are the Mafia mods over there.
2011: Best Mafia Performance (Individual) - Best Newcomer
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
I appreciate the consideration for a team spot - thanks!
I can't access MS from work, though, so I'd be far less active if the game is held over there than if it's on our turf. Also, I agree with Iso on the ease of use for our forum.
I'm game for either, but would obviously prefer to play it here. (Or maybe just play the "home game".)
2011: Best Mafia Performance (Individual) - Best Newcomer
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
2011: Best Mafia Performance (Individual) - Best Newcomer
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
2011: Best Mafia Performance (Individual) - Best Newcomer
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
We have a lot of MTG players on the site; you have a lot of mafia players. That on its own makes this promising. This could be a fun event.
From our experience on MTGS, it's important to stay innovative to retain members and attract new players. The more new ideas we've been able to present, the stronger and more dynamic our playerbase has become. As I see it, most every mafia site around is in a similar predicament. We've all reached a stage in our life cycle where we need to look for ways to engage our veteran players and put a new spin on things, and keep the game from becoming stagnant. New players are coming in at a good rate, but brain drain from our old school people - it's something we're trying hard to prevent, and I think that's a common issue.
The competitive aspect has been doing a great job of generating excitement and anticipation for us, and I think a team-based competitive model between "rival" sites will further contribute to that. 'Scum, and any other sites that become involved, should reap the same benefit.
We've had one or two other sites smaller than us approach us about becoming involved. I'm not sure whether it will be easy to make this a multi-horse race from an administrative standpoint, but as an abstract idea, the more parties are involved, the more fun the concept will be.
And just in general, I think there's a number of things we can probably learn from closer cooperation from one another, and with more people who decide they want to be dual-members. We have a few refugees from 'scum on the site, and a lot of us have come over to try out 'scum at one time or another in the past, but there's a lot of interesting cultural differences and design conventions, and building stronger ties between the online community as a whole should probably help us all learn and improve.
For now, I'd say we start with the assumption that our two sites should share administrative responsibility between us, regardless of the number of potential third-parties. Equal number of judges, split mods, and use a pretty basic setup template. Judges can hash out what those should look like.
I think between three and five games is a good number. I'm thinking three 12-man mini games between the "elite" players, six to a team (or less, depending on how many sites want in), two on 'scum, one on salvation. In addition, to make this a bit less exclusive, one larger game (16 players) apiece on each site, with 8 player slots dedicated to each site, minus the handpicked players.
When we decide to go forward, I'd say the next practical step towards getting this running would be coming up with a group from 'scum who want to judge and hammer out details. Six would probably be a good number, and three hosts.
If I may, I think you should have each game hosted by the away site.
So a game held on MS would be hosted by a MTGS game mod and vice versa.
This gives all of MS a good look at our game designers instead of the gamemods that they see every day. And it does the same for us and their gamemods.
Just got to say, you've definitely earned distinction as an MTGS hero
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2011: Best Mafia Performance (Individual) - Best Newcomer
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
It may be tallied up at the end, along with the data for each player, but I don't think we want to encourage people to let those considerations alter their play. I will happily kill just as many MTGS folks as 'scummers.
I like the idea of having their host on our turf and vice versa in a three-mini series. There's also apparently a way to mirror the games over on MS to here so we can easily access it. I'm not sure if we could cut it down to just one game, scoring wise.
There doesn't need to be more than two scoring Judges, one for each team. It's assumed that points will always be awarded where they can. The tally will be public. Other judges may be included for setup vetting. When an issue arises within the game, the Host and both judges may coordinate to determine any action taken. The winner should be determined at the end of the three-mini series by a leading point average across all members of a team, or something similar to account for all players. We might brainstorm on granting additional awards or special honors.
In the interest of balance and simplicity, no neutral aligned roles may be allowed in any of the three-mini setups. The setups should be straightforward; either low complexity or open setups. Hosts are chosen by the participating teams. We should encourage well-written game hosts with strengths in setup, flavor, and general moderating to volunteer.
There is also the matter of the third finale game. It doesn't seem fair to host one more game at either location without some competition involved to decide who lays claim to it. Coinflip?
@ZDS: I see that as against the spirit of the competition - besides, it has potential to shoot your own site in the foot because you may end up making them lose that way and you may screw them out of more points. I don't see it being a problem.
2011: Best Mafia Performance (Individual) - Best Newcomer
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
Hi, everyone. I'm heading up at least the initial stages of this cooperative endeavor from the Mafiascum side. I'm in charge of Large Theme games there, and have run a number of not-too-dissimilar events over there. Anyway, I'm excited to see what comes from this. We've gotten a number of requests like this in the past, but this is the first time we've really taken it up, mostly because you all play in a style that we think complements our own.
Anyway, I'm putting together a team of 2 or 3 more people to help me out, but I'll be periodically checking in here. I'm in Italy on my honeymoon for a couple of weeks starting Tuesday, but I'll leave you in some capable hands.
I encourage anyone who is helping to organize this from your side to give me a PM so that we can set up some chat contact (AIM, Gchat, Skype, whatever) as I think that'll be the quickest way to get some back and forth.
Anyway, thanks for the invitation, and I hope this turns out to be fruitful for both sides!
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For venue, we were thinking we'd start off on Mafiascum, and switch back and forth a bit, depending on how many games we're set to play.
In order to organize that, we were hoping that folks who are familiar with mafiascum can point us in the right directon/act as liaisons and contact information people for us, helping us get in touch with their leadership and players who would be suited to play and to judge.
We also figured we'd use that as an opportunity to also promote the design throwdown, in case there's some folks who'd find that interesting, as well.
As yet, not sure whether this will be an elite squad vs. elite squad sort of thing, or whether we can finagle a way to make it more inclusive.
Raise your hand if you can pitch in with that, or are interested in participating.
If you want to contact anyone about the idea I suggest Mr. Flay. Last I read mith was taking personal time off away from mafia scum and Flay was in charge.
Oh as for judges, usually the people who have been their the longest or list mods have been asked to judge games before.
mafia win/lose record
town (12) 6/6
mafia (2) 2/0
Cult (1) 1/0
3rd party (0) 0/0
mafia record
Also known at mafiascum as farside22
At various times we've been considered an alternative to mafiascum, but I'd say we're probably less well known now than we once were, despite having increased our overall activity. There used to be a limited amount of fraternization between the various mafia sites I used to frequent, but a lot of the smaller sites lost numbers and died out, and the number of members who play on multiple sites took a bit of a downturn for the past several years. Recently, we've started seeing more players crossing over again, but I'd be surprised if the leadership at 'scum was aware of us. Five or six years ago, we had some limited amount of interactions with them and contacts with a handful of their good players, but its been a long time since we reached out to them.
Many years ago, I recall a list of a number of spots that had decent, medium-size mafia communities comparable in size to ours, but I haven't heard much about them ever since. I'm not sure they still exist.
'Scum is obviously the largest presence by far - they have 14,000 members.
On the other hand, at this given moment in time, they have 59 people browsing their forums, counting guests. Despite a much smaller player base, we have 20, which is a fairly average baseline number for us.
Essentially, what that represents is that we're an unusually tight-knit and active community. We have a lot of good people here, a lot of memories, and creativity, and that's helped us stay alive and grow long after other sites have failed. We have very strong retention.
I've played in a few 'scum games, and they were ok, but they tend to have a much more haphazard and random playstyle. I've encountered a number of their players who are quite formiddable, but a lot of them don't take it very seriously. I've also heard of some pretty cutting-edge, creative designs taking place on 'scum over the years, that sounded pretty fascinating. It has its strengths. But people tend to come and go. I've always preferred playing on smaller communities with a higher ratio of talent and commitment.
I suppose Misetings probably had MTGS beat in terms of player quality, back in the day. And I'd probably expect 'scum to have an edge on us, as well, in terms of their top tier players. Still, I expect we could show them a thing or two they haven't seen before, and the competition should be interesting.
I don't have much respect for the skill level of MS players as a general whole (given my experience there), but I'm down to give them a beating.
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
I'm not sure on Scum's player quality being better than here - if it ever was, it was probably before even my time. Glork/Flay/Yos2/MoS and a few others could give MTGS's best players a run for their money, but there's a reason why Scum single-faction games generally have ~20% scum as opposed to the ~25% typical here. (The loss of oldtimers doesn't help in this regard - most of the really good players are either gone or no longer playing.)
My best bets for getting this set up would be contacting either Flay (as mentioned) or Vi (authority position, last of the old guard I worked with). I'd be willing to facilitate with Vi (or Flay if necessary, but Vi will recognize me); I'm by no means sure that I want to participate in any other fashion, though (in particular, there's a couple of users I would prefer to have nothing to do with ever again).
Also: farside!
It is too late for the pebbles to vote."
Hmm. So they haven't been immune to burnout, either.
MoS was one of the guys I knew, and we were both together in the original League game together between MTGNews, MTGS, Misetings, and 'scum, that was abandoned halfway through.
And Yoss, well, it's safe to say that I am extremely familiar with Yoss, as we started playing together on 'tings and have been in maybe a dozen games together. Still cross paths now and then.
Are either of them still around over there?
Hmmm, noted. Thanks.
EDIT: Wait a minute. Chamber, our Chamber, is in a position of authority over there? So that's where he wandered off to. Heh.
/in
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
To MoS, Farside, Chamber, Vi, Mr. Flay, and Mith.
If I had more experience, I would very much like to participate.
But I can't call myself a good Mafia player yet
I don't play there with any regularity anymore, but I've kept my toe in the water. About 1 game a year over there for the past several years now.
I know, I saw you commenting in the awards thread at the end of last year. I said hi but you didn't reply.
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
/barn. I can't even hold my own here yet, let alone even think I could stand shoulder-to-shoulder as our best take on their best. Perhaps in a few years =(
I would snap-spectate that so fast though.
I'm thinking a minimum of six slots, probably some alternates. DYH, Iso, probably Axelrod spring to mind. I wish we still had Rafk. Hmm. Perhaps KCC. I've always thought Seppel is phenomenal at reading people, though not always at getting them lynched.
Of course, we also need people who are good at both alignments.
Who else?
EDIT: I've slept around at other mafia gatherings (Tings, MafiaScum, EpicMafia, Px2, The CB, TalkRational, etc.), and I'd have to say that Tings was the only place where I experienced higher-level play than on MTGS. JSexton is a beast.
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
I'm saying this because I've once advertised about this community in a thread there and my post was deleted or something, so I don't know how receptive their moderators are to let people from there participate in a game here and possibly spread the word and syphon their playerbase.
Mythic rarity is not destroying the game. People whine too much for no good reason. Magic is more popular than ever, so keep calm, brew some decks and play some damn cards.
Yeah, 'tings was full of win. Vesuvan, Dantes, Rider, Grakthis (lol), Yoss, Burboy, Jsexy, Pale Mage, Nicotine Jones...so many heavy-weights.
They've got a reunion game going on GG now for the first time in a good long while, with pretty much the entire remaining playerbase. All seventeen of them. *sigh* GG's front page just doesn't pull in the same level of outside traffic to keep them going very strong, unfortunately.
Eds: Buzzed them to see if they're interested in getting in on this.
Hey now, them is fighting words.
Hi!
Can I be on both teams? Just kidding.
I'm not surprised at the interest, I'll log in today to see what there saying in the hive , if anything
mafia win/lose record
town (12) 6/6
mafia (2) 2/0
Cult (1) 1/0
3rd party (0) 0/0
mafia record
Also known at mafiascum as farside22
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
Outdated Mafia Stats
Thoughts, particularly league folks?
I'm down with making the setups low-complexity, low-power, though as with the League here, I'd like to see a grand finale.
That aside, I don't particularly wish to partake in a cross-site League judge thing, so as head judge of our League, I'll abstain from judging this and opt to play if that's what's decided on. (Our own League is enough work for me. :p)
Speaking of: Who are we officially sending over?
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
Mythic rarity is not destroying the game. People whine too much for no good reason. Magic is more popular than ever, so keep calm, brew some decks and play some damn cards.
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
I dunno about the VT dying N1 thing. I mean, it's kinda hard to judge how well you played when you aren't there for over half the game :-/.
I'd add AsianInvasion as a possibility. I recall Cyouni being pretty good too.
Of course, the judges will need to have representatives from both sites. That is only fair.
We agree. We've noticed this Vanilla issue as well, and have already discussed increasing the Vanilla NK bonus to +2. -We're still working out some of the kinks in the rubric, so any further balance input and/or suggestions are appreciated.
The bonus for being NKed and the additional bonus for being NKed first were both included to balance this out a bit. Beyond that, we think this is something that just needs to exist. If there are any ideas on how to make this fairer, we'd love to hear it, but we've found that it's fairly difficult to reward someone for excellent play when they only play a day or two of the game (and if a player who was killed early truly deserves more points, then the judges can award their bonus points there. But if the judges feel that the player doesn't really deserve it, then that judgement just needs to be trusted.)
Also, surviving longer isn't always a bonus. If a town player who was doing well is killed, and then the town plays poorly for the rest of the game, the dead player can easily end up with the highest score in the town.
The cult scoring was included more for completeness than anything else. We're not expecting to use it much, or probably ever.
Even when townies aren't directly involved in a scum's death, it is still a step towards completing their win condition, and so they are rewarded for that. Also, this is designed to cover the numerous ways in which townies could have helped the successful lynch come to pass, even if it wasn't with their vote.
And in the situations where a townie really doesn't deserve this bonus (such as after fiercely protesting the lynch) the judges may decide to not award those points. -An important thing to note is that the rubric isn't automatic; the listed totals are guidelines and the maximum values which can be awarded. And while those guidelines are followed a vast majority of the time, judges can use discretion there when it's needed.
Mods do not receive points. It's possible the "mod award" bonus is being misinterpreted. What that +2 bonus means is that the host of the game may award bonus points to whoever they feel was the strongest player, in much the same way as each judge will also award an additional bonus to specific players. -If this was referencing something else, then I would need that clarified.
Interestingly, it looks like a number of players who vanished a little before I did have come back fairly recently (mostly players who joined Scum around when I did).
Side note: AFAICT, the playerbase changes have shredded the more innovative side of the Scum game design base (or maybe they all switched to modding Micros, I'm not sure). OTOH Stoofer has vanished, Xyl is gone, I'm over here, Flay doesn't mod much nowadays, rajfreak has been gone for ages... and I'm bound to be forgetting a few, including a few who were before my time. There's a couple of good ones left (I'd recommend trying to get OhGodMyLife to help with the league setups, he's always been extremely solid at designing Normals), but a lot of the old creativity is gone.
MoS is still active (just finished modding a game, I think?).
Interestingly, Yos2 has vanished in the *very* recent past (last 4-5 months). Not sure if that's due to RL, fallout from Sandy, or fallout from some recent policy changes on Scum.
Curiosity: Was petroleumjelly a Tings user? He's old school and probably still around, if not very active (one of the last games I played on Scum was run by him).
Huh, that's new. I don't remember him being a mod when I was last there.
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Thought on name: maybe go simple and title it some variation of Scum vs. Salvation? (Unless Tings gets involved, in which case a more inclusive name will be needed.)
Note on any setups: Unless something has changed in the last 2 years or so (and given zoraster's reply above, that's unlikely), note that Scum HATES Survivors - when I was last there, the role was more hated than Cult Leader (comparable to Jester).
It is too late for the pebbles to vote."
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
I could probably get TFE's site's Mafia players in on it, too, if you guys think that might be fun. Generic and I are the Mafia mods over there.
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
I can't access MS from work, though, so I'd be far less active if the game is held over there than if it's on our turf. Also, I agree with Iso on the ease of use for our forum.
I'm game for either, but would obviously prefer to play it here. (Or maybe just play the "home game".)
V/LA: 3/21-3/24 & 3/27-3/29
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
I debated posting 6 times, but I think that would've earned me an unpaid vacation.
I think, speaking for ourselves, I'd feel more than comfortable with 5-6, but I think if we kept it to two sites, we could push towards 10.
I would, of course, be representing MTGS. Sorry, Gen. I have my loyalties, and I've played on all 3 sites, so.
I brought this up in the Mafia Discussion thread yesterday to gauge interest at Colo, Gen.
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
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So a game held on MS would be hosted by a MTGS game mod and vice versa.
This gives all of MS a good look at our game designers instead of the gamemods that they see every day. And it does the same for us and their gamemods.
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{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
I'd make the time for this if someone else ran them. I have tried to get the gears rolling again after getting in on Redux.
While flattering, I am not comfortable enough with my scum game to be willing to represent MTGS in such a fashion.
Yesss.
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MTGS vs. MS "points" should just be bragging rights, and not tracked.
There doesn't need to be more than two scoring Judges, one for each team. It's assumed that points will always be awarded where they can. The tally will be public. Other judges may be included for setup vetting. When an issue arises within the game, the Host and both judges may coordinate to determine any action taken. The winner should be determined at the end of the three-mini series by a leading point average across all members of a team, or something similar to account for all players. We might brainstorm on granting additional awards or special honors.
In the interest of balance and simplicity, no neutral aligned roles may be allowed in any of the three-mini setups. The setups should be straightforward; either low complexity or open setups. Hosts are chosen by the participating teams. We should encourage well-written game hosts with strengths in setup, flavor, and general moderating to volunteer.
There is also the matter of the third finale game. It doesn't seem fair to host one more game at either location without some competition involved to decide who lays claim to it. Coinflip?
@ZDS: I see that as against the spirit of the competition - besides, it has potential to shoot your own site in the foot because you may end up making them lose that way and you may screw them out of more points. I don't see it being a problem.
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
Anyway, I'm putting together a team of 2 or 3 more people to help me out, but I'll be periodically checking in here. I'm in Italy on my honeymoon for a couple of weeks starting Tuesday, but I'll leave you in some capable hands.
I encourage anyone who is helping to organize this from your side to give me a PM so that we can set up some chat contact (AIM, Gchat, Skype, whatever) as I think that'll be the quickest way to get some back and forth.
Anyway, thanks for the invitation, and I hope this turns out to be fruitful for both sides!