well I've never seen Archmage admit this as town, also never seen him do it as scum
(I know, weak meta)
voting bloc go unvote, vote: Archmage Eternal
I don't see anything here about LC's case. Just that I never did it as town nor scum. Yeah thats solid. Voting bloc go, nice attempt to rush the wagon.
I'm for either Brinatoo or Yanni being lynched. As for Asian, I've been suspicious and started a reread but strayed away so will go back.
I don't like how Asian is getting all butthurt about people not making proper attacks on him - He did the EXACT same thing as mafia in a game I don't remember the name of at the current time, but he was lynched Day One.
Two interpretations here. Either AI is exaggerating how badly he wants Burst lynched to simulate townie determination, or AI is interested only in getting Burst lynched. Neither look good.
There is literally no appropriate response to this false dichotomy other than to say, "Nuh-uh," which would be pointless. If there is a question for me or an accusation that can be backed up, I will respond. Mudslinging is to be ignored.
Speaking of which, you just made an unsubstantiated claim which I would like you to substantiate or retract. On top of that, you would need to demonstrate that I do not ignore bad attacks as town, which I am sure you will fail to do. In other words, you come off looking opportunistic with your vague meta case and seemingly confident vote.
There is literally no appropriate response to this false dichotomy other than to say, "Nuh-uh," which would be pointless. If there is a question for me or an accusation that can be backed up, I will respond. Mudslinging is to be ignored.
Speaking of which, you just made an unsubstantiated claim which I would like you to substantiate or retract. On top of that, you would need to demonstrate that I do not ignore bad attacks as town, which I am sure you will fail to do. In other words, you come off looking opportunistic with your vague meta case and seemingly confident vote.
I don't like how Asian is getting all butthurt about people not making proper attacks on him - He did the EXACT same thing as mafia in a game I don't remember the name of at the current time, but he was lynched Day One.
In fact, Unvote, Vote AsianInvasion.
This doesn't make any sense to me. It reads like "Sure, my attacks aren't proper, but it doesn't matter because turnabout is fair play." Is that a fair characterization?
I don't like how Asian is getting all butthurt about people not making proper attacks on him - He did the EXACT same thing as mafia in a game I don't remember the name of at the current time, but he was lynched Day One.
In fact, Unvote, Vote AsianInvasion.
This doesn't make any sense to me. It reads like "Sure, my attacks aren't proper, but it doesn't matter because turnabout is fair play." Is that a fair characterization?
Are you asking Wrath? or everyone?
Because my answer is no.
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I doubt he necessarily intended it so, but a useful consequence of all the talk about a "voting bloc" is that it set up sort of a low-hanging fruit for scum to grab for. Influencing such a group that votes unilaterally together would naturally be lucrative for scum.
kpaca was messing around in his characteristic manner, but it struck me as incredibly out of character for your to set up such an appeal. Inherently, such a voting bloc would suggest a certain degree of thoughtless acquiescence for other players, which is is not your modus operandi at all. I believe you saw kpaca easily lobby votes in such a manner with relative impunity and decided to follow suit.
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Lead =|= Contribute to. I expect people who actively want to see someone lynched to provide evidence to support their views. Those who don't are lazy and/or scum. To be more specific, while Burst may not be able to lead a lynch, he should at least by able to cite reasons and engage in dialogue as opposed to point fingers from afar.
You suggested that Burst was fishing for an easy lynch on Yanni. I don't believe Burst has any confidence at this stage, regardless of alignment, in his capacity to successfully lead or contribute towards such an initiative.
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And then more posts and votes for AI. I'll look at them later.
This doesn't make any sense to me. It reads like "Sure, my attacks aren't proper, but it doesn't matter because turnabout is fair play." Is that a fair characterization?
No it is not. I don't know what the hell you're talking about there, bro.
Yes, I'm joining the gameshowconversation uninvited again, but could you rephrase the quotation so as to make it less leading?
You state that Wrath is wrong:
"Sure, my attacks aren't proper..."
...without demonstrating it. All I'm getting from this is you siding with AsianI in a sideways way, and I'm pretty sure he's scum.
I don't state anything to that effect at all. I said what it read like, and asked him if that was right; he said no, so now I'm asking what he meant.
I asked because I genuinely don't understand what he's trying to say, and since I'm trying to get a feel for the Asian wagon, I want to understand WoD's rationale. No value judgments there. Besides, I feel like WoD's town and scum behaviors are pretty distinct, and he's posting like town-WoD so far.
Which makes your participation in this interaction (to the point of unnecessary repetition - twice answering the question for him) so interesting, since I'd have normally attributed it to overprotective scum buddy, but that doesn't make sense given the above read on WoD. Care to explain?
since I'd have normally attributed it to overprotective scum buddy, but that doesn't make sense given the above read on WoD. Care to explain?
I'll make you a deal:
You tell me who's gimmick you are, I'll be more specific. And suffice it to say I'm calling WoD town as well. This is why I feel like your attacks on him and deflection from my wagon on AsianI are suspect.
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Besides, I feel like WoD's town and scum behaviors are pretty distinct, and he's posting like town-WoD so far.
This^^ makes your ability to play both sides of the gimmick fence... how do I put it...
Unfair? No...
Unethical? No...
Unacceptable. Yeah I'll go with that.
This is the problem. Your statement underlined above has no weight. I'm basing my read on current info and interactions. You're basing your read on meta you can't share with us now that you've made this statement.
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Scum WoD has two settings - lurking with excuses, or gigantic cases that hold little value save to look impressive. Town WoD's posts are shorter, sharper, and more direct, and he talks about time commitments to other games/real life much less often.
That's not based on playing with him, that's based on rereading his games, which I did after he posted that sentence I couldn't figure out. I'd like to think I'm not getting any "unacceptable" advantage from playing in disguise.
(As for the sentence, I reread it four or five times, and after finding Symbiote, I finally figured out what he's saying. It was a subject confusion problem - I read "He did the EXACT same thing" as Asian was the one making the bad attacks, not being targeted by the bad attacks. The comparison makes much more sense now, and from my very brief look at Symbiote, there's certainly some merit to further investigation... tomorrow, because I'm exhausted.)
Scum WoD has two settings - lurking with excuses, or gigantic cases that hold little value save to look impressive. Town WoD's posts are shorter, sharper, and more direct, and he talks about time commitments to other games/real life much less often.
That's not based on playing with him, that's based on rereading his games, which I did after he posted that sentence I couldn't figure out. I'd like to think I'm not getting any "unacceptable" advantage from playing in disguise.
(As for the sentence, I reread it four or five times, and after finding Symbiote, I finally figured out what he's saying. It was a subject confusion problem - I read "He did the EXACT same thing" as Asian was the one making the bad attacks, not being targeted by the bad attacks. The comparison makes much more sense now, and from my very brief look at Symbiote, there's certainly some merit to further investigation... tomorrow, because I'm exhausted.)
If there's merit, vote AsianI.
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(The scum-WoD-setting read was taken from the latest Star Trek game and especially Bad Claims Mafia. The latter game in particular stands out when compared to, say, Cyan's Impossible Mafia.)
@Pale who is more suspitious? the one that robs someone or the one who is robbed?
@LC funny, I was going to say the very same thing about WOD, as a player who was on both games and skimmed Cyan's Impossible is pretty easy to differenciate between scum-WOD and town-WOD.I feel pretty safe to declare WOD is town this game
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The game is not being dumbed down. Control is doing fine; Draw-Go is not the only kind of control. Aggro is doing fine; Red Deck Wins is not the only kind of aggro. Creature combat is an important core concept and belongs in every color. Mythic rarity is not destroying the game. People whine too much for no good reason. Magic is more popular than ever, so keep calm, brew some decks and play some damn cards.
Fair enough. I chose to play under a pseudonym because I feel like an analysis of my play history would mislead you. Read into that what you will.
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Reads like "I don't want you guys analyzing my meta."
vote AsianInvasion
Just after getting called out for dismissing attacks on him by calling them bad instead of answering them, and he calls WoD's assessment mudslinging and refuses to answer to it.
Also , I spent two posts in a row explaining how I had issues generating reads on the parts of the game I missed, and he tells me I'm fence-sitting. I can't be any more clear there, and I tried to explain it TWICE. This instead of honestly answering the cases against him.
Just after getting called out for dismissing attacks on him by calling them bad instead of answering them, and he calls WoD's assessment mudslinging and refuses to answer to it.
Did you actually expect me to respond to Wrath_of_DoG's post wherein he failed to cite any evidence as to why I should be scum in this game? Get real; what a flimsy attack.
That said, it is probably true that I refused to acknowledge weak (IMO) attacks as scum in Symbiote. But as I stated before, unless someone can demonstrate that I don't do this as town, it's totally null. Spoiler alert: I know I do it as town.
Also , I spent two posts in a row explaining how I had issues generating reads on the parts of the game I missed, and he tells me I'm fence-sitting. I can't be any more clear there, and I tried to explain it TWICE. This instead of honestly answering the cases against him.
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I literally don't care what your excuse is if you're obviously fence-sitting. Get caught up, then post. Don't come in and give us this wishy-washy crap if you're town. Then again, given the fact that you have not done anything noteworthy all game until you opportunistically voted me, you're probably not.
Because I don't like the idea of saying you believe somthing to probably be true, then acting contrary to that belief. Ideas should be backed up with actions.
Did you actually expect me to respond to Wrath_of_DoG's post wherein he failed to cite any evidence as to why I should be scum in this game? Get real; what a flimsy attack.
That said, it is probably true that I refused to acknowledge weak (IMO) attacks as scum in Symbiote. But as I stated before, unless someone can demonstrate that I don't do this as town, it's totally null. Spoiler alert: I know I do it as town.
Where? because self-meta without places to read doesn't impress me.
I literally don't care what your excuse is if you're obviously fence-sitting. Get caught up, then post. Don't come in and give us this wishy-washy crap if you're town. Then again, given the fact that you have not done anything noteworthy all game until you opportunistically voted me, you're probably not.
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Why's that worth an FoS? It's the entire point of gimmick accounts.
It's a point of contention in here, and on these forums lately in light of recent occurances. I'm of the opinion that you can't run a gimmick in RL, so you shouldn't lean on it here.
Considering the part I quoted, it reads like, "If you knew my real ID, you'd know my game, and have me pinned here." It's an FoS because that's a null tell, but it feels slimy.
Did you actually expect me to respond to Wrath_of_DoG's post wherein he failed to cite any evidence as to why I should be scum in this game? Get real; what a flimsy attack.
That said, it is probably true that I refused to acknowledge weak (IMO) attacks as scum in Symbiote. But as I stated before, unless someone can demonstrate that I don't do this as town, it's totally null. Spoiler alert: I know I do it as town.
Yes, I did expect you to respond. You called it a "false dichtomy"...I'd expect a town player to defend himself and respond by saying why it was false. You chose instead to attack the attacker and ignore the accusation.
This is amplified by the fact that WoD responded immediately and confidently with another game as evidence. Your response is essentially, "Well...yeah, okay. I did do that there. But find *another* example, or it's still a baseless attack.
I literally don't care what your excuse is if you're obviously fence-sitting. Get caught up, then post. Don't come in and give us this wishy-washy crap if you're town. Then again, given the fact that you have not done anything noteworthy all game until you opportunistically voted me, you're probably not.
That's about as OMGUS as it gets without an actual retaliation vote. It takes a "noteworthy" action to be a valid player? Really? That's why I'm not town?
That said, I posted exactly what my feelings were. Twice. The TL:DR is essentially as follows:
AE: I don't believe he's scum. He responds honestly and emotionally to what was a very fast wagon buildup.
Brin: Less confident here. I don't like the reactions I'm seeing at all, but I don't feel the cases seem solid enough to vote so far. If I had a scum list, Brin would be floating in that direction.
DRey: Easier to read, as it was an original interaction with me. I'm not convinced he's scum yet, though, because there's not much coming from that direction at the moment.
Kpaca: Convinced something is up since the original "coaching" interaction. Not convinced it is indicative of alignment.
And now there's you, and I feel fine about my vote here.
Will probably improve my play once school starts up.
I don't think this game is dying.
Asian went off at me for making unsubstantiated claims, and then went on to do exactly that same thing himself. I lol'd a little at the blatant hypocrisy.
His self-meta does nothing to dispute my point, unless he's willing to post games that prove him right.
@Everybody: in your next post, please mention how many scum you think are in this game. Please do this regardless of how many others have done so. Thanks.
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Inside information?
I don't modgame.
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Oh, this doesn't address the point and you know it. Not even a fair comparison and phrased as a question to boot.
I'm running behind, so if you'd like to take another stab at this go ahead. You've got nowhere to go but up after that crapola.
I'm putting you on my ignore list after this post.
Anyway, let's do a timeline.
Zas proposed a Bad Idea.
Ced agreed with that Bad Idea.
I was disappointed with Ced for being naive, but maybe I had overreated to Zas so I tried to clarify.
Zas didn't backtrack when I gave him the chance and others the excuse. So i moved on.
Both Ced and Zas are somewhat lurking, and I've stopped paying attention to the game, so after Liquid posted some solid post I moved on and returned to Zas.
If you are not satisfied now why don't you try to do some scumhunting besides trying to rehash an issue that's long solved?
@Everybody: in your next post, please mention how many scum you think are in this game. Please do this regardless of how many others have done so. Thanks.
There's no way to determine scumteam in large games, what's your point?
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The game is not being dumbed down. Control is doing fine; Draw-Go is not the only kind of control. Aggro is doing fine; Red Deck Wins is not the only kind of aggro. Creature combat is an important core concept and belongs in every color. Mythic rarity is not destroying the game. People whine too much for no good reason. Magic is more popular than ever, so keep calm, brew some decks and play some damn cards.
My point is its a 21 person game. 24 player is usually 5 mafia with a neutral here and there.
So how many mafia in this game?
There's no way to determine that this early on the game, but how is this achieving anything? Are you trying to fish for neutrals?
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The game is not being dumbed down. Control is doing fine; Draw-Go is not the only kind of control. Aggro is doing fine; Red Deck Wins is not the only kind of aggro. Creature combat is an important core concept and belongs in every color. Mythic rarity is not destroying the game. People whine too much for no good reason. Magic is more popular than ever, so keep calm, brew some decks and play some damn cards.
There's no way to determine that this early on the game, but how is this achieving anything? Are you trying to fish for neutrals?
Yeah, because that's what I asked. /sarcasm
Please don't misrepresent my posts.
I'm asking for everyone to speculate as to the number of scum in this game. I even just gave a baseline "Normal" game typical answer. Didn't you read the original question?
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Please stick to that commitment.
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Sorry, I was hoping to have caught up by now, but I need to go out in the next 5 mins. I guess I'll post my reads list, 'cause I already had that part typed up. I've read the whole game now, just need to actually type the rest of my thoughts out. Part 2 will have an AsianI and Yanni case.
BLUE PEOPLE:
DRey: I've played two games with DRey prior to this one (FF and Social Engineering). In both, I correctly ID'd him as scum D1, and I'm not getting the same vibe from him at all this game. He's been largely doing his own thing, is confident and inquisitive in a way he wasn't in those other two games, and has consistently shown indignation at not being taken seriously (particularly in this post here), which is a townie trait.
Liquidity Crisis:You can chalk it up to gut, I guess? Both his responses and subsequent unvote of AE give the impression of someone genuinely trying to discern AE's alignment, rather than a scum who already knows and is just going through the motions.
GREY PEOPLE:
WoD
DJ Catchem
Ced
kpaca
Gigas
Pinkfloyd
REDDISH PEOPLE:
Pale Mage: Has been asking many probing questions, many of them good ones. However, his actual positions and analysis of the responses have been relatively scarce. Also, I don't especially like his current line of questioning on DRey. I'll get around to why in Part 2 3.
Niv: Contrary to LC, for example, I haven't been getting the sense that Niv is genuinely trying to discern anyone's alignment at all. Rather, he seems more interested in "bad play" hunting than actual scum hunting, which is odd behavior especially considering Niv tends to think of himself as a bad player. More on this in part 2 3. Though, I'm not sure what exactly to make of his reaction to Brinatoo, which I'm planning to look back on.
BRIGHT RED PEOPLE:
AsianInvasion: See below next post
Yanni: See below next post
On the contrary...I feel like I don't have a good grasp on the game at all. My reads on AE and Brin are based on what I was able to grasp from my first read-through after coming back to the game Sunday; I don't feel comfortable enough that I understand either one to vote. Brin feels much more inflammatory and defensive overall, while I feel AE's posts seem well thought out (and the speed and intensity of the wagon there raises eyebrows), but I don't feel either case is pulling me to a vote. I missed a week of development here, and I'm finding it hard to not let myself be swayed by everything that's been said after the fact.
I'm feeling better about stuff happening while I'm here, which is why I'm keying in on LC stuff, and the Drey thing is related to my original interaction wih the game when it started,so it's really all I actually know. I'll also readily admit that the current Kpaca/Artifice back-and-forth is raising the static level for me through the roof, but I'll admit that a good part of this has to do with my discomfort with Kpaca overall. (Read that as "He's furstrated me to no end in multiple games, and I'm naturally equal parts suspicious and confused by him.")
Ok, good answer, DJ. I accept your reasoning and retract my concern.
I don't know Nakamura, or his experience, and I didn't know Burstinatrix's experience when I questioned him. So what you're saying, that Burst should have been more experienced, is something I find odd. Nowhere in my exchange with Burst did I get a feeling he was able to give me a good reason to believe he was town, nowhere did I feel he defended himself ably. Rather, that in itself led me to believe he was just confused town. If you say Nakamura was experienced, I don't know how to view Burst's reactions now.
Essentially, this Nakamura and his numerous off-shoots has been here and there for a decent while, so I assumed he would be more experienced just in terms of raw time than Burst, who I would have been playing with for the first time (I believe).
In the process of reading through; up to about post 150. I'll be reading off and on all day today and will hopefully finish up tonight and make a full catch-up post tomorrow.
Off the top of my head so far -- Liking DRey and Alpha for town, most interested in Niv and Yanni for scum.
Stay tuned.
Interesting that you see me as town when I have been among the most vocal calling for your predecessor's head. Of a related note:
@Everybody: in your next post, please mention how many scum you think are in this game. Please do this regardless of how many others have done so. Thanks.
No. This exercise is pointless at best and destructive to the game/setup at worst.
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Lies! -I'm Buffy Summers, town tracker. I used my ability on you and saw that you didn't use any abilities before the game started. My flavor is I was sucked through a mysterious space-time portal and I'm here to kill all the vampires, and my tracking ability is a combination of my Slayer and Native American skills.
I don't see anything here about LC's case. Just that I never did it as town nor scum. Yeah thats solid. Voting bloc go, nice attempt to rush the wagon.
I'm for either Brinatoo or Yanni being lynched. As for Asian, I've been suspicious and started a reread but strayed away so will go back.
They hate us cause they ain't us.
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There is literally no appropriate response to this false dichotomy other than to say, "Nuh-uh," which would be pointless. If there is a question for me or an accusation that can be backed up, I will respond. Mudslinging is to be ignored.
Speaking of which, you just made an unsubstantiated claim which I would like you to substantiate or retract. On top of that, you would need to demonstrate that I do not ignore bad attacks as town, which I am sure you will fail to do. In other words, you come off looking opportunistic with your vague meta case and seemingly confident vote.
This doesn't make any sense to me. It reads like "Sure, my attacks aren't proper, but it doesn't matter because turnabout is fair play." Is that a fair characterization?
Also, yes get off my kool-aid, lunchbox.
Are you asking Wrath? or everyone?
Because my answer is no.
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I doubt he necessarily intended it so, but a useful consequence of all the talk about a "voting bloc" is that it set up sort of a low-hanging fruit for scum to grab for. Influencing such a group that votes unilaterally together would naturally be lucrative for scum.
kpaca was messing around in his characteristic manner, but it struck me as incredibly out of character for your to set up such an appeal. Inherently, such a voting bloc would suggest a certain degree of thoughtless acquiescence for other players, which is is not your modus operandi at all. I believe you saw kpaca easily lobby votes in such a manner with relative impunity and decided to follow suit.
You suggested that Burst was fishing for an easy lynch on Yanni. I don't believe Burst has any confidence at this stage, regardless of alignment, in his capacity to successfully lead or contribute towards such an initiative.
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And then more posts and votes for AI. I'll look at them later.
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I was asking Wrath, but thanks for playing, we have some lovely parting gifts for you.
My answer is still no.
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Then could you rephrase that quote and restate your reasons for voting AI for me, please? 'cause if that's not it, I'm baffled.
gameshowconversation uninvited again, but could you rephrase the quotation so as to make it less leading?You state that Wrath is wrong:
"Sure, my attacks aren't proper..."
...without demonstrating it. All I'm getting from this is you siding with AsianI in a sideways way, and I'm pretty sure he's scum.
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I don't state anything to that effect at all. I said what it read like, and asked him if that was right; he said no, so now I'm asking what he meant.
I asked because I genuinely don't understand what he's trying to say, and since I'm trying to get a feel for the Asian wagon, I want to understand WoD's rationale. No value judgments there. Besides, I feel like WoD's town and scum behaviors are pretty distinct, and he's posting like town-WoD so far.
Which makes your participation in this interaction (to the point of unnecessary repetition - twice answering the question for him) so interesting, since I'd have normally attributed it to overprotective scum buddy, but that doesn't make sense given the above read on WoD. Care to explain?
You tell me who's gimmick you are, I'll be more specific. And suffice it to say I'm calling WoD town as well. This is why I feel like your attacks on him and deflection from my wagon on AsianI are suspect.
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No thanks. Though you've never played with me before, so not sure it would help you anyway.
since they're both ridiculous.
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Fair enough. I chose to play under a pseudonym because I feel like an analysis of my play history would mislead you. Read into that what you will.
This^^ makes your ability to play both sides of the gimmick fence... how do I put it...
Unfair? No...
Unethical? No...
Unacceptable. Yeah I'll go with that.
This is the problem. Your statement underlined above has no weight. I'm basing my read on current info and interactions. You're basing your read on meta you can't share with us now that you've made this statement.
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Scum WoD has two settings - lurking with excuses, or gigantic cases that hold little value save to look impressive. Town WoD's posts are shorter, sharper, and more direct, and he talks about time commitments to other games/real life much less often.
That's not based on playing with him, that's based on rereading his games, which I did after he posted that sentence I couldn't figure out. I'd like to think I'm not getting any "unacceptable" advantage from playing in disguise.
(As for the sentence, I reread it four or five times, and after finding Symbiote, I finally figured out what he's saying. It was a subject confusion problem - I read "He did the EXACT same thing" as Asian was the one making the bad attacks, not being targeted by the bad attacks. The comparison makes much more sense now, and from my very brief look at Symbiote, there's certainly some merit to further investigation... tomorrow, because I'm exhausted.)
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@LC funny, I was going to say the very same thing about WOD, as a player who was on both games and skimmed Cyan's Impossible is pretty easy to differenciate between scum-WOD and town-WOD.I feel pretty safe to declare WOD is town this game
Mythic rarity is not destroying the game. People whine too much for no good reason. Magic is more popular than ever, so keep calm, brew some decks and play some damn cards.
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Reads like "I don't want you guys analyzing my meta."
vote AsianInvasion
Just after getting called out for dismissing attacks on him by calling them bad instead of answering them, and he calls WoD's assessment mudslinging and refuses to answer to it.
Also , I spent two posts in a row explaining how I had issues generating reads on the parts of the game I missed, and he tells me I'm fence-sitting. I can't be any more clear there, and I tried to explain it TWICE. This instead of honestly answering the cases against him.
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The man can make up his own mind; why the rush?
Did you actually expect me to respond to Wrath_of_DoG's post wherein he failed to cite any evidence as to why I should be scum in this game? Get real; what a flimsy attack.
That said, it is probably true that I refused to acknowledge weak (IMO) attacks as scum in Symbiote. But as I stated before, unless someone can demonstrate that I don't do this as town, it's totally null. Spoiler alert: I know I do it as town.
I literally don't care what your excuse is if you're obviously fence-sitting. Get caught up, then post. Don't come in and give us this wishy-washy crap if you're town. Then again, given the fact that you have not done anything noteworthy all game until you opportunistically voted me, you're probably not.
Where? because self-meta without places to read doesn't impress me.
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It's a point of contention in here, and on these forums lately in light of recent occurances. I'm of the opinion that you can't run a gimmick in RL, so you shouldn't lean on it here.
Considering the part I quoted, it reads like, "If you knew my real ID, you'd know my game, and have me pinned here." It's an FoS because that's a null tell, but it feels slimy.
Yes, I did expect you to respond. You called it a "false dichtomy"...I'd expect a town player to defend himself and respond by saying why it was false. You chose instead to attack the attacker and ignore the accusation.
This is amplified by the fact that WoD responded immediately and confidently with another game as evidence. Your response is essentially, "Well...yeah, okay. I did do that there. But find *another* example, or it's still a baseless attack.
That's about as OMGUS as it gets without an actual retaliation vote. It takes a "noteworthy" action to be a valid player? Really? That's why I'm not town?
That said, I posted exactly what my feelings were. Twice. The TL:DR is essentially as follows:
AE: I don't believe he's scum. He responds honestly and emotionally to what was a very fast wagon buildup.
Brin: Less confident here. I don't like the reactions I'm seeing at all, but I don't feel the cases seem solid enough to vote so far. If I had a scum list, Brin would be floating in that direction.
DRey: Easier to read, as it was an original interaction with me. I'm not convinced he's scum yet, though, because there's not much coming from that direction at the moment.
Kpaca: Convinced something is up since the original "coaching" interaction. Not convinced it is indicative of alignment.
And now there's you, and I feel fine about my vote here.
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Oh, this doesn't address the point and you know it. Not even a fair comparison and phrased as a question to boot.
I'm running behind, so if you'd like to take another stab at this go ahead. You've got nowhere to go but up after that crapola.
Asian went off at me for making unsubstantiated claims, and then went on to do exactly that same thing himself. I lol'd a little at the blatant hypocrisy.
His self-meta does nothing to dispute my point, unless he's willing to post games that prove him right.
Until then, I'm super happy with my vote.
@Everybody: in your next post, please mention how many scum you think are in this game. Please do this regardless of how many others have done so. Thanks.
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Inside information?
I don't modgame.
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I'll agree with kpaca here.
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Are you waiting for Zas os Gigas? why do you feel this game is dying and you don't do anything?
I'm putting you on my ignore list after this post.
Anyway, let's do a timeline.
Zas proposed a Bad Idea.
Ced agreed with that Bad Idea.
I was disappointed with Ced for being naive, but maybe I had overreated to Zas so I tried to clarify.
Zas didn't backtrack when I gave him the chance and others the excuse. So i moved on.
Both Ced and Zas are somewhat lurking, and I've stopped paying attention to the game, so after Liquid posted some solid post I moved on and returned to Zas.
If you are not satisfied now why don't you try to do some scumhunting besides trying to rehash an issue that's long solved?
There's no way to determine scumteam in large games, what's your point?
Mythic rarity is not destroying the game. People whine too much for no good reason. Magic is more popular than ever, so keep calm, brew some decks and play some damn cards.
So how many mafia in this game?
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Mythic rarity is not destroying the game. People whine too much for no good reason. Magic is more popular than ever, so keep calm, brew some decks and play some damn cards.
Please don't misrepresent my posts.
I'm asking for everyone to speculate as to the number of scum in this game. I even just gave a baseline "Normal" game typical answer. Didn't you read the original question?
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Can I just remind everyone of the commitment you made when joining this game:
Please stick to that commitment.
Edit: ganderin_dan has replaced in for pinkfloyd. Welcome and thank you.
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I work 25.5 hours in the next 60. Give me until sometime Monday to be caught up. I've vaguely followed along.
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Anyone want to give me a cool summary? I feel like there's been one of those already, but I can't be bothered to look.
Enitrely based on your ridiculous "conversation starter" post.
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Generally, a balanced game setup has 25-33% non-town players, including neutrals. That means anything up to 7 non-town players.
Unless the Mod is being a bastard.
Its just something for him to post but not get involved in any conversations going. How about we lynch this guy?
Vez is that all your going to do now is come in with a vote post? Nothing on me, Brinatoo, AI? Or Kpacas farce of a post regarding fake wagons?
They hate us cause they ain't us.
Hey Yanni. post474
They hate us cause they ain't us.
BLUE PEOPLE:
DRey: I've played two games with DRey prior to this one (FF and Social Engineering). In both, I correctly ID'd him as scum D1, and I'm not getting the same vibe from him at all this game. He's been largely doing his own thing, is confident and inquisitive in a way he wasn't in those other two games, and has consistently shown indignation at not being taken seriously (particularly in this post here), which is a townie trait.
Liquidity Crisis:You can chalk it up to gut, I guess? Both his responses and subsequent unvote of AE give the impression of someone genuinely trying to discern AE's alignment, rather than a scum who already knows and is just going through the motions.
BLUISH PEOPLE:
iLord
Alpha
Artifice
Brinatoo
ZasZ
AE
Wessel
GREY PEOPLE:
WoD
DJ Catchem
Ced
kpaca
Gigas
Pinkfloyd
REDDISH PEOPLE:
Pale Mage: Has been asking many probing questions, many of them good ones. However, his actual positions and analysis of the responses have been relatively scarce. Also, I don't especially like his current line of questioning on DRey. I'll get around to why in Part
23.Niv: Contrary to LC, for example, I haven't been getting the sense that Niv is genuinely trying to discern anyone's alignment at all. Rather, he seems more interested in "bad play" hunting than actual scum hunting, which is odd behavior especially considering Niv tends to think of himself as a bad player. More on this in part
23. Though, I'm not sure what exactly to make of his reaction to Brinatoo, which I'm planning to look back on.BRIGHT RED PEOPLE:
AsianInvasion: See
belownext postYanni: See
belownext post79 posts outside of this game after this post. 23 of them today.
Please replace.
They hate us cause they ain't us.
You are skimming the thread THAT MUCH?
Massive FOS.
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Ok, good answer, DJ. I accept your reasoning and retract my concern.
Essentially, this Nakamura and his numerous off-shoots has been here and there for a decent while, so I assumed he would be more experienced just in terms of raw time than Burst, who I would have been playing with for the first time (I believe).
Interesting that you see me as town when I have been among the most vocal calling for your predecessor's head. Of a related note:
You do the same thing with Wessel, and later put him in your "bluish" category. It just seems curious from a town standpoint.
No. This exercise is pointless at best and destructive to the game/setup at worst.