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  • #201
    Quote from iLord
    Poor Burst. :p
    Yes, I know. And I'm sorry for the language I used.

    Quote from iLord
    I took the liberty of scanning over Burst's behavior under fire in his past games. Since he has only one finished scum game, the sample isn't realy reliable at all, but I've found that he almost always seems to prioritize "winning" the argument over actually trying to explain his thought process. This often leads to backtracking and inconsistencies (like that mentioned by AlphaInsidious) in both his town and scum play.

    With that in mind, I agree with AlphaInsidious that the contradiction over Burst's reasons for voting me seem to indicate that he's lying about having done so purely for the sake of reactions. I am less inclined, however, to assume that he's lying with malicious intent.
    Thanks, and I'm willing to agree on this.

    Quote from Niv
    Following the discussion you just had with Wessel, he makes a conclusion that either you're amazing scum or terrible town.

    To that effect, I don't see how wessel even thinks you could be good scum. at this point, he is terrible, whether or not he's town or scum is irrelivant to his terrible, and even sorting through the terrible, I see a lot of scum that stands out.
    I had a feeling he could also be a terrific actor, knowing how to frustrate the game in such a way as to seem completely terrible.

    Quote from Brinatoo
    A hunch. I do have thoughts, just don't know what to take of it.

    Someone's impatient.

    I will get revenge for what you did on Monster Island.

    I think Drey is town. I think Zas is town. I have been watching iLord closely after the third person question. I think DJC is town. I think Burst is town. I have a feeling about Gigas. I think Niv is town unless Gigas is scum, then I might rethink things, but probably not because I don't know much about Niv. And everyone else I need more content from to figure out.
    Don't you have time to play this game?

    Quote from kpaca
    And for the last time that was coaching. I'm not sure where your malfunction is at with that.
    This is beginning to smell like defamation to me.

    Quote from DJ Catchem
    Do you believe Zaz's claim that he's an experienced player?
    This question made me laugh.

    @DRey: I know you haven't posted yet since I asked this question to you over a day ago, but just in case you would miss it during a read-through of the posts, could you please answer my question to you asked here?
    This is right.
  • #202
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    The problem isn't that he isn't providing content. It's the way he lashed out at Niv. Have you seen him do that before kpaca?
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  • #203
    Quote from AsianInvasion
    "Gambit" isn't the right word here. If he's scum, he's outright trumpeting his (mis)lynch intentions into the thread. If he's town, he's being careless and failing to incorporate information from the intervening lynch and NK/s into his decision-making process. Either way, we should not be listening to him.

    IMO, he's been acting slightly scummy, but we currently have live ones waiting for the fryer.


    yeah ok how about you tell us exactly why you are voting drey kthx

    Also, you picked a really crappy time to pull a kpaca impersonation with your profile setup. Would it have killed you to wait until one of you was dead in this game?


    It's a total non sequitur, and he hasn't been able to give us anything resembling a logical explanation as to why he said that. I would be satisfied with a Brinatoo lynch if the Burstinatrix wagon doesn't go anywhere.


    He was town in my previous Basic and never seemed to have any problems articulating his thought processes, and he certainly never admitted to trying to paint another player as scummy. At best, this is an admission of poisoning the well, and at worst, it's claiming scum. Based on these factors, I would unilaterally lynch Burstinatrix if I had such power.


    because of Drey's bs attack on Niv and impilicitly saying that if Niv had more experience than he Drey would back off
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  • #204
    Quote from Gigas1
    Gut says this is a scum post.


    This for you.

    Quote from Gigas1
    I'm going to wait for him to rephrase that post I asked about first, if it's okay with you.

    Ummm...okay? Any particular reason for that? Any thoughts on anything else that's happened so far?


    Yes. I played Pulp Fiction with you. You were a strong town read for me much of the entire game and I never once doubted you. You strike me as playing very differently without even comparing. Just from prior knowledge of the game.

    Quote from kpaca
    Just provide content dude. No one cares if you just vote and don't say why. I remember you doing that I the last game we were in together. It was useless than and nothing has changed now.


    I am not sure how I should take you trying to help me out. I am still very mad at how I missed you in Monster Island. Right now, I am getting a town gut though. But here's some "zero content" for the masses.

    Quote from Niv
    100% of this players non random stage posts are terrible. Explain to me why we wouldn't?

    I'll yell at you if you're ignoreing me, saying stupid things, and saying scummy things. you are doing the latter 2.

    if how you play is to provide zero content and to get annoyed at people asking for it, you'll get night killed by town in every game you play, guaranteed.


    What is stupid? My gameplay? What strikes you as scummy? Niv, I don't know how you play. You jumping on me like this tells me more about your frustration and either shows that I stepped on the tail of a lion or you are genuinely pissed off. And stop saying I am not providing content. You are the only annoyed person I see and I have not been nightkilled by town as town yet. Scum tends to keep me alive for mislynches.

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    Time to get involved in the game.

    Look at Brinatoo lashing out at Niv. He can point out people not providing content, how about some scumhunting?

    You say the best thing to do this early on is pressuring. Have you applied pressure? All I see is Gigas as a hunch. Really now?

    I agree with Nivs post 178

    Vote Brinatoo


    Oh, here's someone who is "providing no content." Saying that I am lashing out at Niv is a complete misrep on your part.

    Quote from iLord
    The bolded is a completely unnatural construction. You evidently currently think Gigas is scum, yet you decide to list Niv under the condition that he's town?

    Even considering kpaca's assertion that Brinatoo enjoys this unhelpful style regardless of alignment, I think his slip in #169 is concerning, to say the least.

    Vote: Brinatoo


    Okay. In your opinion, that was a complete unnatural construction. And you bold one part, but not the rest that at the least shows me fencesitting and being undecided on the matter.

    Slip? Lol.

    Quote from ced395
    I agree. 118 feels quite forced.


    I have a town vibe from you. Or you are cashing in on a good opportunity.

    Quote from Wessel
    Don't you have time to play this game?


    Usually a given time of the day during a break. I like to enjoy my breaks and post more in mafia when I am at college.

    Quote from vezokpiraka
    unvote
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    The problem isn't that he isn't providing content. It's the way he lashed out at Niv. Have you seen him do that before kpaca?


    Oh hey, another "zero content vote." And I love where this "me lashing out at Niv" is coming from. It did not happen.

    lash·ing    [lash-ing]
    noun
    1.
    the act of a person or thing that lashes.
    2.
    a whipping with or as if with a lash.
    3.
    a severe scolding; tongue-lashing.


    I was thinking he was lashing more out at me for my "stupid scummy things."
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  • #205
    Quote from Brinatoo
    Okay. In your opinion, that was a complete unnatural construction. And you bold one part, but not the rest that at the least shows me fencesitting and being undecided on the matter.

    Slip? Lol.


    For reference, the quote in question:

    Quote from Brinatoo »
    I think Drey is town. I think Zas is town. I have been watching iLord closely after the third person question. I think DJC is town. I think Burst is town. I have a feeling about Gigas. I think Niv is town unless Gigas is scum, then I might rethink things, but probably not because I don't know much about Niv. And everyone else I need more content from to figure out.


    It's not quite as simple as a matter of my opinion - it indicates a certain lapse in your proposed mindset. Your vote indicates that you purportedly believe Gigas is scum. Your list here, however, lists Niv being town as the primary read with a qualifier indicating that you would change your opinion if Gigas was scum. Cognitively, this is incompatible with your assumption that Gigas is presently more likely to be scum. The construction that would indicate a more genuine mindset would be "If Gigas turns out to be scum, then I would think Niv is town," putting a conditional on the phrase with regards to Niv's alignment because, in your mind, the condition is not currently met.
  • #206
    Quote from iLord
    It's not quite as simple as a matter of my opinion - it indicates a certain lapse in your proposed mindset. Your vote indicates that you purportedly believe Gigas is scum. Your list here, however, lists Niv being town as the primary read with a qualifier indicating that you would change your opinion if Gigas was scum. Cognitively, this is incompatible with your assumption that Gigas is presently more likely to be scum. The construction that would indicate a more genuine mindset would be "If Gigas turns out to be scum, then I would think Niv is town," putting a conditional on the phrase with regards to Niv's alignment because, in your mind, the condition is not currently met.


    That is backwards to me. If I am right about Gigas, then, at the time, Niv struck me as a possible scumbuddy. It was not a conditional situation that my read at the time towards Niv was anything to really value, hence the rest of the sentence. But I have no prior knowledge to how Niv plays at all and it is just a hypothesis. Him blowing up me was a huge tonal change, in my opinion, genuinely pissed off. I asked if anyone can see scum Niv doing this...got no response...
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  • #207
    Quote from Brinatoo
    That is backwards to me. If I am right about Gigas, then, at the time, Niv struck me as a possible scumbuddy. It was not a conditional situation that my read at the time towards Niv was anything to really value, hence the rest of the sentence. But I have no prior knowledge to how Niv plays at all and it is just a hypothesis. Him blowing up me was a huge tonal change, in my opinion, genuinely pissed off. I asked if anyone can see scum Niv doing this...got no response...


    Yeah, that's a typo on my part. In light of the duality you just mentioned, the natural construction would be: "I think Niv is scum unless Gigas is town," which would be consistent with your belief that Gigas is scum.
  • #208
    Visiting grandparents until late tomorrow. I'll likely make a decent post the day after. Sorry everyone.
  • #209
    Quote from Yanni
    looks like DC is defending ZasZ more than he has a read on 2chainz


    How did you end up at this conclusion? The whole gist of what I'm saying is that I don't know Zaz, took him at face value, and am making a read on Kpaca based on what I know of him and his game.

    Quote from ced »
    DJ's pinging my radar. I don't suppose you could explain to me in great detail exactly why ZasZ's post 32 looks like an "obvious" and "terrible" coach? Because your case based on kpaca making an "easy" vote doesn't really have any wheels when I don't actually see the point behind the vote itself.


    I'm no sure you understood me. I don't think it is a coach at all. (#32 was Kpaca's post, btw.) I'm saying I can't believe it is, because it would be terrible if it was. Kpaca is the one saying it's a coach, and i don't think he really believes that, despite what he says.

    Or am I misunderstanding what you're asking, Ced?

    --->DJ
  • #210
    Quote from Yanni
    burst is just idiot town
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    Please explain how you arrived at this conclusion.

    Quote from iLord

    Poor Burst. :p

    I took the liberty of scanning over Burst's behavior under fire in his past games. Since he has only one finished scum game, the sample isn't realy reliable at all, but I've found that he almost always seems to prioritize "winning" the argument over actually trying to explain his thought process. This often leads to backtracking and inconsistencies (like that mentioned by AlphaInsidious) in both his town and scum play.

    With that in mind, I agree with AlphaInsidious that the contradiction over Burst's reasons for voting me seem to indicate that he's lying about having done so purely for the sake of reactions. I am less inclined, however, to assume that he's lying with malicious intent.


    I'm of the mind that it doesn't need to have malicious intent. I think he lied simply out of panic of losing the argument. Which is just as bad considering what I imagine is at stake for him.

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    Just as a matter of book keeping gran we call the sheep AI alpha?

    Quote from Niv

    I'd rather we just called the sheep AI sheep.

    Just don't call me late for dinner!
    ...heh?

    Derf derf
    Quote from ced395

    I recall Burst doing a lot of utterly crazy stuff like this in *ongoing game*, though, and he flipped town there. While I agree with you that the bit in 125 that you pick out is probably complete crap (at the very least it makes no sense), I am just not sure it comprises that strong a tell.


    Crazy stuff? Maybe. I can't speak to his past games. But was it in the same league as the completely unnatural construction of a thought-process that he has presented in this game?

    Quote from Ced395 »

    No inconsistency. I wasn't talking about my suspicion of iLord in the second one. Read it again and it should be obvious what I am calling a weak tell.


    You're absolutely correct, I misread that second post. Apologies.
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  • #211
    I forgot to mention that I am away from now until after the new year. =/

    That said, I may have a little internet access on some days.

    Quick response to DJ: I want to know why it could be considered a coach. You say that you don't think it is because it is too obvious, yet I do not see this "obvious" thing in the first place.
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  • #212
    Votecount:

    Brinatoo (4) - Niv, AE, iLord, vezok
    ZasZ (2) - DRey, pinkfloyd
    Burst (2) - Alpha, Asian
    DRey (2) - Yanni, kpaca
    AE (1) - Shinen
    Wessel (1) - WoD
    Liquidity Crisis (1) - Gigas
    Gigas (1) - Brinatoo
    kpaca (1) - DJC

    With 21 alive, it's 11 to lynch.
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  • #213
    Quote from ced395
    I forgot to mention that I am away from now until after the new year. =/

    That said, I may have a little internet access on some days.

    Quick response to DJ: I want to know why it could be considered a coach. You say that you don't think it is because it is too obvious, yet I do not see this "obvious" thing in the first place.


    Read at face value, he was taking the opportunity to exploit the song quoting thing that was happening to point out something in-thread with the use of the 'Imagine'-ish quote. It would have been presumably easy to defend for that reason.

    I didn't buy it at all.

    --->DJ
  • #214
    Quote from DJ Catchem
    How did you end up at this conclusion? The whole gist of what I'm saying is that I don't know Zaz, took him at face value, and am making a read on Kpaca based on what I know of him and his game.



    I'm no sure you understood me. I don't think it is a coach at all. (#32 was Kpaca's post, btw.) I'm saying I can't believe it is, because it would be terrible if it was. Kpaca is the one saying it's a coach, and i don't think he really believes that, despite what he says.

    Or am I misunderstanding what you're asking, Ced?

    --->DJ

    you just described my point exactly. You're taking ZasZ at face value and it's making you vote Kpaca.
    That's not a read on Kpaca, that's a defense of Zasz
    Quote from AlphaInsidious
    Please explain how you arrived at this conclusion.



    I'm of the mind that it doesn't need to have malicious intent. I think he lied simply out of panic of losing the argument. Which is just as bad considering what I imagine is at stake for him.



    Just don't call me late for dinner!
    ...heh?

    Derf derf


    Crazy stuff? Maybe. I can't speak to his past games. But was it in the same league as the completely unnatural construction of a thought-process that he has presented in this game?



    You're absolutely correct, I misread that second post. Apologies.

    Burst being confused is either him playing idiot town or really being idiot town.
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  • #215
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    and given Burst's experience level I'm inclined to believe he's just idiot town.
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  • #216
    Artifice 101 replaces Shinen. That was easy. Let's give him a warm welcome.
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  • #217
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    Artifice 101 replaces Shinen. That was easy. Let's give him a warm welcome.
    * Artifice 101 waves.


    I'm about 75-100 posts behind, but given that the beginning of the game looks like a giant mess, that doesn't matter too much I suppose.

    I'll let you know when I'm caught up.
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  • #218
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    @Mod, you're last votecount is a little jumbled. AE's entry is along side DRey's instead of below it.
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  • #219
    Guys, I'm a little busy because of holidays and stuff, hope to catch up soon, until them hope you understand my lack of participation. Cool
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  • #221
    Quote from DJ Catchem
    Read at face value, he was taking the opportunity to exploit the song quoting thing that was happening to point out something in-thread with the use of the 'Imagine'-ish quote. It would have been presumably easy to defend for that reason.

    I didn't buy it at all.

    --->DJ


    Err... What? Zas's #20 was the first post to "quote" song lyrics. And how is this interpretation related to coaching?
  • #222
    Quote from Yanni
    you just described my point exactly. You're taking ZasZ at face value and it's making you vote Kpaca.
    That's not a read on Kpaca, that's a defense of ZasZ


    The point I was making was that it could be my foot making the post. I'm interested in Kpaca's reaction to it, not the post itself.

    --->DJ
  • #223
    Quote from iLord
    Err... What? Zas's #20 was the first post to "quote" song lyrics. And how is this interpretation related to coaching?


    You're absolutely right...I had it in my head that he was following others there, not leading the way. My bad. The read was based on the action, not the potential deception.

    The coaching thing that Kpaca bit on apparently is the '...i'm not the only one' part. I assume he thought it was a blatant- "Hey scumbuddy...pay attention to what just happened'" thing. I don't believe that anyone would try something so low-hanging, and I don't believe an experienced player like Kpaca would either, unless there was an alternate reason for playing along.

    --->DJ
  • #224
    Pale Mage has replaced dropkickdude. Let's give him a warm welcome.

    Hopefully this will be the last replacement necessary. However, if anyone else is considering replacing out, now would be the best time to say so, for everyone's sake.
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  • #225
    This post(204) in general comes across as trying to play to the town and not step on toes.
    Quote from Brinatoo

    Oh, here's someone who is "providing no content." Saying that I am lashing out at Niv is a complete misrep on your part.

    Lets look.
    Quote from Brinatoo
    Holy ****. Implode. Can anyone see scum Niv doing this? I have never played with him.

    A push to discredit.

    Niv. There is no deadline and no need to rush bull**** lynches. I want more content FROM EVERYBODY before I can make an educated decision. Otherwise it is likely a mislynch with low interactions. The best thing to do this early on is pressuring.

    Heres a 'stern scolding.' His vote was what, the 3rd? You have to bring up that theres no deadline and the wagon is being rushed?

    Plus your post there(175) was in response to his post(173) calling your posts useless. This one pretty much is. You try to discredit him and then deflect with the second paragraph, ignoring what Niv has directed at you.
    Quote from Brinatoo

    Okay three things. You don't know how I play. I can point out people that have not provided much content either. If I provide you content, will you still erupt like this? I don't like to work with people that are yelling at my face.

    Heres more of your lashing out.
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