I believe in my read on you, and I know you're a better player than to believe in blatant low-hanging fruit like that. You're running a gambit.
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"Gambit" isn't the right word here. If he's scum, he's outright trumpeting his (mis)lynch intentions into the thread. If he's town, he's being careless and failing to incorporate information from the intervening lynch and NK/s into his decision-making process. Either way, we should not be listening to him.
IMO, he's been acting slightly scummy, but we currently have live ones waiting for the fryer.
looks like DC is defending ZasZ more than he has a read on 2chainz
yeah ok how about you tell us exactly why you are voting drey kthx
Also, you picked a really crappy time to pull a kpaca impersonation with your profile setup. Would it have killed you to wait until one of you was dead in this game?
The bolded is a completely unnatural construction. You evidently currently think Gigas is scum, yet you decide to list Niv under the condition that he's town?
It's a total non sequitur, and he hasn't been able to give us anything resembling a logical explanation as to why he said that. I would be satisfied with a Brinatoo lynch if the Burstinatrix wagon doesn't go anywhere.
Have you read any of Burst's games? When suspicion against Burst started to solidify, I spent some time doing so and it was most enlightening.
He was town in my previous Basic and never seemed to have any problems articulating his thought processes, and he certainly never admitted to trying to paint another player as scummy. At best, this is an admission of poisoning the well, and at worst, it's claiming scum. Based on these factors, I would unilaterally lynch Burstinatrix if I had such power.
He was town in my previous Basic and never seemed to have any problems articulating his thought processes, and he certainly never admitted to trying to paint another player as scummy. At best, this is an admission of poisoning the well, and at worst, it's claiming scum. Based on these factors, I would unilaterally lynch Burstinatrix if I had such power.
Burst got lynched as town in both Basic #46 and Basic #53 early. If you have time, I'd suggest you take a look at his behavior there.
I think Brinatoo's a much better lead at this point.
"Gambit" isn't the right word here. If he's scum, he's outright trumpeting his (mis)lynch intentions into the thread. If he's town, he's being careless and failing to incorporate information from the intervening lynch and NK/s into his decision-making process. Either way, we should not be listening to him.
IMO, he's been acting slightly scummy, but we currently have live ones waiting for the fryer.
yeah ok how about you tell us exactly why you are voting drey kthx
Also, you picked a really crappy time to pull a kpaca impersonation with your profile setup. Would it have killed you to wait until one of you was dead in this game?
It's a total non sequitur, and he hasn't been able to give us anything resembling a logical explanation as to why he said that. I would be satisfied with a Brinatoo lynch if the Burstinatrix wagon doesn't go anywhere.
He was town in my previous Basic and never seemed to have any problems articulating his thought processes, and he certainly never admitted to trying to paint another player as scummy. At best, this is an admission of poisoning the well, and at worst, it's claiming scum. Based on these factors, I would unilaterally lynch Burstinatrix if I had such power.
because of Drey's bs attack on Niv and impilicitly saying that if Niv had more experience than he Drey would back off
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I'm going to wait for him to rephrase that post I asked about first, if it's okay with you.
Ummm...okay? Any particular reason for that? Any thoughts on anything else that's happened so far?
Yes. I played Pulp Fiction with you. You were a strong town read for me much of the entire game and I never once doubted you. You strike me as playing very differently without even comparing. Just from prior knowledge of the game.
Just provide content dude. No one cares if you just vote and don't say why. I remember you doing that I the last game we were in together. It was useless than and nothing has changed now.
I am not sure how I should take you trying to help me out. I am still very mad at how I missed you in Monster Island. Right now, I am getting a town gut though. But here's some "zero content" for the masses.
100% of this players non random stage posts are terrible. Explain to me why we wouldn't?
I'll yell at you if you're ignoreing me, saying stupid things, and saying scummy things. you are doing the latter 2.
if how you play is to provide zero content and to get annoyed at people asking for it, you'll get night killed by town in every game you play, guaranteed.
What is stupid? My gameplay? What strikes you as scummy? Niv, I don't know how you play. You jumping on me like this tells me more about your frustration and either shows that I stepped on the tail of a lion or you are genuinely pissed off. And stop saying I am not providing content. You are the only annoyed person I see and I have not been nightkilled by town as town yet. Scum tends to keep me alive for mislynches.
The bolded is a completely unnatural construction. You evidently currently think Gigas is scum, yet you decide to list Niv under the condition that he's town?
Even considering kpaca's assertion that Brinatoo enjoys this unhelpful style regardless of alignment, I think his slip in #169 is concerning, to say the least.
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Okay. In your opinion, that was a complete unnatural construction. And you bold one part, but not the rest that at the least shows me fencesitting and being undecided on the matter.
Okay. In your opinion, that was a complete unnatural construction. And you bold one part, but not the rest that at the least shows me fencesitting and being undecided on the matter.
Slip? Lol.
For reference, the quote in question:
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I think Drey is town. I think Zas is town. I have been watching iLord closely after the third person question. I think DJC is town. I think Burst is town. I have a feeling about Gigas. I think Niv is town unless Gigas is scum, then I might rethink things, but probably not because I don't know much about Niv. And everyone else I need more content from to figure out.
It's not quite as simple as a matter of my opinion - it indicates a certain lapse in your proposed mindset. Your vote indicates that you purportedly believe Gigas is scum. Your list here, however, lists Niv being town as the primary read with a qualifier indicating that you would change your opinion if Gigas was scum. Cognitively, this is incompatible with your assumption that Gigas is presently more likely to be scum. The construction that would indicate a more genuine mindset would be "If Gigas turns out to be scum, then I would think Niv is town," putting a conditional on the phrase with regards to Niv's alignment because, in your mind, the condition is not currently met.
It's not quite as simple as a matter of my opinion - it indicates a certain lapse in your proposed mindset. Your vote indicates that you purportedly believe Gigas is scum. Your list here, however, lists Niv being town as the primary read with a qualifier indicating that you would change your opinion if Gigas was scum. Cognitively, this is incompatible with your assumption that Gigas is presently more likely to be scum. The construction that would indicate a more genuine mindset would be "If Gigas turns out to be scum, then I would think Niv is town," putting a conditional on the phrase with regards to Niv's alignment because, in your mind, the condition is not currently met.
That is backwards to me. If I am right about Gigas, then, at the time, Niv struck me as a possible scumbuddy. It was not a conditional situation that my read at the time towards Niv was anything to really value, hence the rest of the sentence. But I have no prior knowledge to how Niv plays at all and it is just a hypothesis. Him blowing up me was a huge tonal change, in my opinion, genuinely pissed off. I asked if anyone can see scum Niv doing this...got no response...
That is backwards to me. If I am right about Gigas, then, at the time, Niv struck me as a possible scumbuddy. It was not a conditional situation that my read at the time towards Niv was anything to really value, hence the rest of the sentence. But I have no prior knowledge to how Niv plays at all and it is just a hypothesis. Him blowing up me was a huge tonal change, in my opinion, genuinely pissed off. I asked if anyone can see scum Niv doing this...got no response...
Yeah, that's a typo on my part. In light of the duality you just mentioned, the natural construction would be: "I think Niv is scum unless Gigas is town," which would be consistent with your belief that Gigas is scum.
looks like DC is defending ZasZ more than he has a read on 2chainz
How did you end up at this conclusion? The whole gist of what I'm saying is that I don't know Zaz, took him at face value, and am making a read on Kpaca based on what I know of him and his game.
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DJ's pinging my radar. I don't suppose you could explain to me in great detail exactly why ZasZ's post 32 looks like an "obvious" and "terrible" coach? Because your case based on kpaca making an "easy" vote doesn't really have any wheels when I don't actually see the point behind the vote itself.
I'm no sure you understood me. I don't think it is a coach at all. (#32 was Kpaca's post, btw.) I'm saying I can't believe it is, because it would be terrible if it was. Kpaca is the one saying it's a coach, and i don't think he really believes that, despite what he says.
I took the liberty of scanning over Burst's behavior under fire in his past games. Since he has only one finished scum game, the sample isn't realy reliable at all, but I've found that he almost always seems to prioritize "winning" the argument over actually trying to explain his thought process. This often leads to backtracking and inconsistencies (like that mentioned by AlphaInsidious) in both his town and scum play.
With that in mind, I agree with AlphaInsidious that the contradiction over Burst's reasons for voting me seem to indicate that he's lying about having done so purely for the sake of reactions. I am less inclined, however, to assume that he's lying with malicious intent.
I'm of the mind that it doesn't need to have malicious intent. I think he lied simply out of panic of losing the argument. Which is just as bad considering what I imagine is at stake for him.
I recall Burst doing a lot of utterly crazy stuff like this in *ongoing game*, though, and he flipped town there. While I agree with you that the bit in 125 that you pick out is probably complete crap (at the very least it makes no sense), I am just not sure it comprises that strong a tell.
Crazy stuff? Maybe. I can't speak to his past games. But was it in the same league as the completely unnatural construction of a thought-process that he has presented in this game?
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No inconsistency. I wasn't talking about my suspicion of iLord in the second one. Read it again and it should be obvious what I am calling a weak tell.
You're absolutely correct, I misread that second post. Apologies.
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Quick response to DJ: I want to know why it could be considered a coach. You say that you don't think it is because it is too obvious, yet I do not see this "obvious" thing in the first place.
Read at face value, he was taking the opportunity to exploit the song quoting thing that was happening to point out something in-thread with the use of the 'Imagine'-ish quote. It would have been presumably easy to defend for that reason.
How did you end up at this conclusion? The whole gist of what I'm saying is that I don't know Zaz, took him at face value, and am making a read on Kpaca based on what I know of him and his game.
I'm no sure you understood me. I don't think it is a coach at all. (#32 was Kpaca's post, btw.) I'm saying I can't believe it is, because it would be terrible if it was. Kpaca is the one saying it's a coach, and i don't think he really believes that, despite what he says.
Or am I misunderstanding what you're asking, Ced?
--->DJ
you just described my point exactly. You're taking ZasZ at face value and it's making you vote Kpaca.
That's not a read on Kpaca, that's a defense of Zasz
Please explain how you arrived at this conclusion.
I'm of the mind that it doesn't need to have malicious intent. I think he lied simply out of panic of losing the argument. Which is just as bad considering what I imagine is at stake for him.
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Crazy stuff? Maybe. I can't speak to his past games. But was it in the same league as the completely unnatural construction of a thought-process that he has presented in this game?
You're absolutely correct, I misread that second post. Apologies.
Burst being confused is either him playing idiot town or really being idiot town.
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Guys, I'm a little busy because of holidays and stuff, hope to catch up soon, until them hope you understand my lack of participation.
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The game is not being dumbed down. Control is doing fine; Draw-Go is not the only kind of control. Aggro is doing fine; Red Deck Wins is not the only kind of aggro. Creature combat is an important core concept and belongs in every color. Mythic rarity is not destroying the game. People whine too much for no good reason. Magic is more popular than ever, so keep calm, brew some decks and play some damn cards.
Read at face value, he was taking the opportunity to exploit the song quoting thing that was happening to point out something in-thread with the use of the 'Imagine'-ish quote. It would have been presumably easy to defend for that reason.
I didn't buy it at all.
--->DJ
Err... What? Zas's #20 was the first post to "quote" song lyrics. And how is this interpretation related to coaching?
you just described my point exactly. You're taking ZasZ at face value and it's making you vote Kpaca.
That's not a read on Kpaca, that's a defense of ZasZ
The point I was making was that it could be my foot making the post. I'm interested in Kpaca's reaction to it, not the post itself.
Err... What? Zas's #20 was the first post to "quote" song lyrics. And how is this interpretation related to coaching?
You're absolutely right...I had it in my head that he was following others there, not leading the way. My bad. The read was based on the action, not the potential deception.
The coaching thing that Kpaca bit on apparently is the '...i'm not the only one' part. I assume he thought it was a blatant- "Hey scumbuddy...pay attention to what just happened'" thing. I don't believe that anyone would try something so low-hanging, and I don't believe an experienced player like Kpaca would either, unless there was an alternate reason for playing along.
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Holy ****. Implode. Can anyone see scum Niv doing this? I have never played with him.
A push to discredit.
Niv. There is no deadline and no need to rush bull**** lynches. I want more content FROM EVERYBODY before I can make an educated decision. Otherwise it is likely a mislynch with low interactions. The best thing to do this early on is pressuring.
Heres a 'stern scolding.' His vote was what, the 3rd? You have to bring up that theres no deadline and the wagon is being rushed?
Plus your post there(175) was in response to his post(173) calling your posts useless. This one pretty much is. You try to discredit him and then deflect with the second paragraph, ignoring what Niv has directed at you.
Okay three things. You don't know how I play. I can point out people that have not provided much content either. If I provide you content, will you still erupt like this? I don't like to work with people that are yelling at my face.
Since its coming from a scummy player that has just been trying to cruise through day one.
Can you provide an example of the cruising behavior, or perhaps define what you mean by "cruising"?
@Brinatoo - I want to see a couple of your games. Link me up or tell me where to find them, please. Also, if you play anywhere other than here be sure to include an example in your suggestions. Thanks!
@Drey - So what went through your mind when ced claimed "oxygen"? Also, could you give a few links to recent games of yours, please? If you've played on other sites recently (i.e. places that my be less familiar to me) give me one or two of those.
Oh, one more thing...I know your panties got all twisty-like at Zas' post, but I cannot recall specifically what it was you hated about it. What was the truly offending part, the most foul thing? The element that forced you out of RVS mode, that's what I want. Link me up if you feel you answered it. It's entirely possible that I missed it.
...but I want to be clear. It is not self-evident. So link me up or tell me, please.
@iLord - Thanks for the Burst meta suggestions. Quick question: it was your conclusion that his argumentative stylings were personality-driven rather than alignment-driven, is that correct? (Forgive me if I'm misremembering...I've been reading quickly).
@Yanni - You are voting Drey, but pushing on DJ for defending Zas in the guise of attacking kpaca, yes? I have forgotten why you are voting Drey, could you refresh my memory?
@kpaca - I'm going to need to see a prescription for that bag in your pocket.
@Yanni - You are voting Drey, but pushing on DJ for defending Zas in the guise of attacking kpaca, yes? I have forgotten why you are voting Drey, could you refresh my memory?
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I'm voting Drey because of his bad vote on ZasZ and implict saying he'd back off if ZasZ was more experienced.
I'm seeing DJC buddy to ZasZ which is a null read in my eyes at this point.
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@Zaz that proposal was serious? how experienced are you?
He asks for experience when it really doesn't matter.
To me Drey is implying that he would back off depending on how much experience ZasZ had.
(To wit, ZasZ is new so he doesn't know what softclaims are, ZasZ is experienced so Drey assumes he knows what he's doing thus removing his number one target)
If you read my post what are you waiting for to answer my direct questions?
I know I'm town, but you clearing me because "he post like that as town" is unsatisfying/naive or as weak attempt to buddy up with me. If only I knew how much experience you have... that's why I hate gimmicks.
@Ced see why experience matters?
Anyway, you thinking scum is more prone to make "useful fishing" than town is telling. I just put you on my newbie pile.
and as we've clarified, experience does not matter.
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@iLord - Thanks for the Burst meta suggestions. Quick question: it was your conclusion that his argumentative stylings were personality-driven rather than alignment-driven, is that correct? (Forgive me if I'm misremembering...I've been reading quickly).
Yeah, that's a typo on my part. In light of the duality you just mentioned, the natural construction would be: "I think Niv is scum unless Gigas is town," which would be consistent with your belief that Gigas is scum.
That isn't what I said. I said Niv might be scumbuddies with Gigas but I have no clue how Niv plays.
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This post(204) in general comes across as trying to play to the town and not step on toes.
I think others will disagree with this.
A push to discredit.
Heres a 'stern scolding.' His vote was what, the 3rd? You have to bring up that theres no deadline and the wagon is being rushed?
His tone strikes me as frustrated, which is a bad thing. I was asking others for their opinion if this strikes to them as scummy Niv. I don't know Niv.
Plus your post there(175) was in response to his post(173) calling your posts useless. This one pretty much is. You try to discredit him and then deflect with the second paragraph, ignoring what Niv has directed at you.
Explain how I am discrediting him. He is saying that I have posted no content, which is not true. That was in no way a deflection. It was a request for a decent amount of discussion from our group.
Heres more of your lashing out.
He was lashing out at me.
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2.
a whipping with or as if with a lash.
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a severe scolding; tongue-lashing.
@Brinatoo - I want to see a couple of your games. Link me up or tell me where to find them, please. Also, if you play anywhere other than here be sure to include an example in your suggestions. Thanks!
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No...I'm not crazy about you trading your vote this early in the game. It feels off to me.
My problem is this:
I took Zaz at face value regarding level of experience, as I've never crossed paths with him. I have to assume that an experienced player wouldn't make such a colossal slip up only twenty posts into a game by making such a blatant coach right out in the open.
I *know* you're an experienced player, and i know you love to run gambits and act in very unorthodox ways. So for you to lock onto this quote as serious is *very* hard for me to believe based on what I know of you. Therefore, I believe you're up to something.
Do you believe Zaz's claim that he's an experienced player?
--->DJ
I know zas is experienced. I'm also still not sure how this is a gambit?
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Why do you mention me.
Because I trust you are town and also respect you enough to both want your vote of confidence and trust your read tomorrow. I'm honestly not sure you're town, it's going to take more observation for me to determine that. What I do know is I have to treat you as town in the early game, and fill in the Blake's later.
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@kpaca:
Just to clarify: When you say "more than an attempt at coaching", what's the "more than"?
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You're absolutely right...I had it in my head that he was following others there, not leading the way. My bad. The read was based on the action, not the potential deception.
The coaching thing that Kpaca bit on apparently is the '...i'm not the only one' part. I assume he thought it was a blatant- "Hey scumbuddy...pay attention to what just happened'" thing. I don't believe that anyone would try something so low-hanging, and I don't believe an experienced player like Kpaca would either, unless there was an alternate reason for playing along.
Why is kpain the brinatoo expert, Vezok? Why address him with this?
Can you provide an example of the cruising behavior, or perhaps define what you mean by "cruising"?
@Brinatoo - I want to see a couple of your games. Link me up or tell me where to find them, please. Also, if you play anywhere other than here be sure to include an example in your suggestions. Thanks!
@Drey - So what went through your mind when ced claimed "oxygen"? Also, could you give a few links to recent games of yours, please? If you've played on other sites recently (i.e. places that my be less familiar to me) give me one or two of those.
Oh, one more thing...I know your panties got all twisty-like at Zas' post, but I cannot recall specifically what it was you hated about it. What was the truly offending part, the most foul thing? The element that forced you out of RVS mode, that's what I want. Link me up if you feel you answered it. It's entirely possible that I missed it.
...but I want to be clear. It is not self-evident. So link me up or tell me, please.
@iLord - Thanks for the Burst meta suggestions. Quick question: it was your conclusion that his argumentative stylings were personality-driven rather than alignment-driven, is that correct? (Forgive me if I'm misremembering...I've been reading quickly).
@Yanni - You are voting Drey, but pushing on DJ for defending Zas in the guise of attacking kpaca, yes? I have forgotten why you are voting Drey, could you refresh my memory?
@kpaca - I'm going to need to see a prescription for that bag in your pocket.
I know zas is experienced. I'm also still not sure how this is a gambit?
If this is all true, I don't know what to think of you anymore. But I do have some ocean-front property in Montana that I've been trying to unload on the cheap. Interested?
Because I trust you are town and also respect you enough to both want your vote of confidence and trust your read tomorrow. I'm honestly not sure you're town, it's going to take more observation for me to determine that. What I do know is I have to treat you as town in the early game, and fill in the Blake's later.
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Holy hell...Kpaca is posting serious thoughtful content en masse. I have no idea what end is up anymore.
If this is all true, I don't know what to think of you anymore. But I do have some ocean-front property in Montana that I've been trying to unload on the cheap. Interested?
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Only if you're town.
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2. Still down to lynch Burstinatrix or Brinatoo. Still suspicious of Yanni due to his interactions with Burstinatrix's wagon. Still keeping an eye on DRey and ZasZ234 for their early throat-jumping.
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Please, enlighten me what according to you ZasZ's thought process would have been to write a 'coaching' attempt in this way. By just saying 'that was clearly coaching' without anything else, you're not helping us much.
You want me to read his mind?
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Like I said before, why do you think Zas would coach in this way? You must be a mind reader, because you are so convinced it's true. Explain to me why you're so convinced. Persuade me why I should believe your view and not his defence. Just saying it was a coaching attempt doesn't make it so. What it could do, however, is persuade some people into believing your view. That's defamation, and not a good way for the town to win.
No. To do a character assassination, you paint someone in a bad light to get the town to believe someone is scum for no other reason that that you say that person is scum. I just asked Burst a question to which he responded in a scummy way, therefore I continued questioning him (basically digging his own grave IMO). What kpaca does is saying ZasZ did something scummy without giving any substantiation to his claim, and that's character assassination. That's why I ask him to tell me give us some substantiation to why he thinks ZasZ would do such an obvious thing if he really was coaching, other than just saying it's so.
And frankly, if you see my actions against Burst as nothing more than character assassination, why then did you wholly support me in my case against him?
Ok I am a mind reader.
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But definitely more solid than the cases against Zas and DRey. I see what you're interpreting as coaching, but I don't believe that's what Zas intended.
"Gambit" isn't the right word here. If he's scum, he's outright trumpeting his (mis)lynch intentions into the thread. If he's town, he's being careless and failing to incorporate information from the intervening lynch and NK/s into his decision-making process. Either way, we should not be listening to him.
IMO, he's been acting slightly scummy, but we currently have live ones waiting for the fryer.
yeah ok how about you tell us exactly why you are voting drey kthx
Also, you picked a really crappy time to pull a kpaca impersonation with your profile setup. Would it have killed you to wait until one of you was dead in this game?
It's a total non sequitur, and he hasn't been able to give us anything resembling a logical explanation as to why he said that. I would be satisfied with a Brinatoo lynch if the Burstinatrix wagon doesn't go anywhere.
He was town in my previous Basic and never seemed to have any problems articulating his thought processes, and he certainly never admitted to trying to paint another player as scummy. At best, this is an admission of poisoning the well, and at worst, it's claiming scum. Based on these factors, I would unilaterally lynch Burstinatrix if I had such power.
"...a talisman against all evil, so long as you obey me."
Burst got lynched as town in both Basic #46 and Basic #53 early. If you have time, I'd suggest you take a look at his behavior there.
I think Brinatoo's a much better lead at this point.
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The problem isn't that he isn't providing content. It's the way he lashed out at Niv. Have you seen him do that before kpaca?
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because of Drey's bs attack on Niv and impilicitly saying that if Niv had more experience than he Drey would back off
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This for you.
Yes. I played Pulp Fiction with you. You were a strong town read for me much of the entire game and I never once doubted you. You strike me as playing very differently without even comparing. Just from prior knowledge of the game.
I am not sure how I should take you trying to help me out. I am still very mad at how I missed you in Monster Island. Right now, I am getting a town gut though. But here's some "zero content" for the masses.
What is stupid? My gameplay? What strikes you as scummy? Niv, I don't know how you play. You jumping on me like this tells me more about your frustration and either shows that I stepped on the tail of a lion or you are genuinely pissed off. And stop saying I am not providing content. You are the only annoyed person I see and I have not been nightkilled by town as town yet. Scum tends to keep me alive for mislynches.
Oh, here's someone who is "providing no content." Saying that I am lashing out at Niv is a complete misrep on your part.
Okay. In your opinion, that was a complete unnatural construction. And you bold one part, but not the rest that at the least shows me fencesitting and being undecided on the matter.
Slip? Lol.
I have a town vibe from you. Or you are cashing in on a good opportunity.
Usually a given time of the day during a break. I like to enjoy my breaks and post more in mafia when I am at college.
Oh hey, another "zero content vote." And I love where this "me lashing out at Niv" is coming from. It did not happen.
lash·ing [lash-ing]
noun
1.
the act of a person or thing that lashes.
2.
a whipping with or as if with a lash.
3.
a severe scolding; tongue-lashing.
I was thinking he was lashing more out at me for my "stupid scummy things."
For reference, the quote in question:
It's not quite as simple as a matter of my opinion - it indicates a certain lapse in your proposed mindset. Your vote indicates that you purportedly believe Gigas is scum. Your list here, however, lists Niv being town as the primary read with a qualifier indicating that you would change your opinion if Gigas was scum. Cognitively, this is incompatible with your assumption that Gigas is presently more likely to be scum. The construction that would indicate a more genuine mindset would be "If Gigas turns out to be scum, then I would think Niv is town," putting a conditional on the phrase with regards to Niv's alignment because, in your mind, the condition is not currently met.
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That is backwards to me. If I am right about Gigas, then, at the time, Niv struck me as a possible scumbuddy. It was not a conditional situation that my read at the time towards Niv was anything to really value, hence the rest of the sentence. But I have no prior knowledge to how Niv plays at all and it is just a hypothesis. Him blowing up me was a huge tonal change, in my opinion, genuinely pissed off. I asked if anyone can see scum Niv doing this...got no response...
Yeah, that's a typo on my part. In light of the duality you just mentioned, the natural construction would be: "I think Niv is scum unless Gigas is town," which would be consistent with your belief that Gigas is scum.
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How did you end up at this conclusion? The whole gist of what I'm saying is that I don't know Zaz, took him at face value, and am making a read on Kpaca based on what I know of him and his game.
I'm no sure you understood me. I don't think it is a coach at all. (#32 was Kpaca's post, btw.) I'm saying I can't believe it is, because it would be terrible if it was. Kpaca is the one saying it's a coach, and i don't think he really believes that, despite what he says.
Or am I misunderstanding what you're asking, Ced?
--->DJ
Please explain how you arrived at this conclusion.
I'm of the mind that it doesn't need to have malicious intent. I think he lied simply out of panic of losing the argument. Which is just as bad considering what I imagine is at stake for him.
Just don't call me late for dinner!
...heh?
Crazy stuff? Maybe. I can't speak to his past games. But was it in the same league as the completely unnatural construction of a thought-process that he has presented in this game?
You're absolutely correct, I misread that second post. Apologies.
Brinatoo (4) - Niv, AE, iLord, vezok
ZasZ (2) - DRey, pinkfloyd
Burst (2) - Alpha, Asian
DRey (2) - Yanni, kpaca
AE (1) - Shinen
Wessel (1) - WoD
Liquidity Crisis (1) - Gigas
Gigas (1) - Brinatoo
kpaca (1) - DJC
With 21 alive, it's 11 to lynch.
The Aeon Clock has moved forward 4 places and now stands at 4.
Shinen has requested replacement.
"...a talisman against all evil, so long as you obey me."
Read at face value, he was taking the opportunity to exploit the song quoting thing that was happening to point out something in-thread with the use of the 'Imagine'-ish quote. It would have been presumably easy to defend for that reason.
I didn't buy it at all.
--->DJ
you just described my point exactly. You're taking ZasZ at face value and it's making you vote Kpaca.
That's not a read on Kpaca, that's a defense of Zasz
Burst being confused is either him playing idiot town or really being idiot town.
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and given Burst's experience level I'm inclined to believe he's just idiot town.
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"...a talisman against all evil, so long as you obey me."
I'm about 75-100 posts behind, but given that the beginning of the game looks like a giant mess, that doesn't matter too much I suppose.
I'll let you know when I'm caught up.
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@Mod, you're last votecount is a little jumbled. AE's entry is along side DRey's instead of below it.
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Mythic rarity is not destroying the game. People whine too much for no good reason. Magic is more popular than ever, so keep calm, brew some decks and play some damn cards.
"...a talisman against all evil, so long as you obey me."
Err... What? Zas's #20 was the first post to "quote" song lyrics. And how is this interpretation related to coaching?
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The point I was making was that it could be my foot making the post. I'm interested in Kpaca's reaction to it, not the post itself.
--->DJ
You're absolutely right...I had it in my head that he was following others there, not leading the way. My bad. The read was based on the action, not the potential deception.
The coaching thing that Kpaca bit on apparently is the '...i'm not the only one' part. I assume he thought it was a blatant- "Hey scumbuddy...pay attention to what just happened'" thing. I don't believe that anyone would try something so low-hanging, and I don't believe an experienced player like Kpaca would either, unless there was an alternate reason for playing along.
--->DJ
Hopefully this will be the last replacement necessary. However, if anyone else is considering replacing out, now would be the best time to say so, for everyone's sake.
"...a talisman against all evil, so long as you obey me."
Lets look.
A push to discredit.
Heres a 'stern scolding.' His vote was what, the 3rd? You have to bring up that theres no deadline and the wagon is being rushed?
Plus your post there(175) was in response to his post(173) calling your posts useless. This one pretty much is. You try to discredit him and then deflect with the second paragraph, ignoring what Niv has directed at you.
Heres more of your lashing out.
They hate us cause they ain't us.
Also, I've finished my read.
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Since its coming from a scummy player that has just been trying to cruise through day one.
They hate us cause they ain't us.
Something he's doing is scummy because he's scummy?
That's what I feel like you just said. (Please don't call this a misrep, its an impression. Feel free to clarify for me.)
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Why is kpain the brinatoo expert, Vezok? Why address him with this?
Can you provide an example of the cruising behavior, or perhaps define what you mean by "cruising"?
@Brinatoo - I want to see a couple of your games. Link me up or tell me where to find them, please. Also, if you play anywhere other than here be sure to include an example in your suggestions. Thanks!
@Drey - So what went through your mind when ced claimed "oxygen"? Also, could you give a few links to recent games of yours, please? If you've played on other sites recently (i.e. places that my be less familiar to me) give me one or two of those.
Oh, one more thing...I know your panties got all twisty-like at Zas' post, but I cannot recall specifically what it was you hated about it. What was the truly offending part, the most foul thing? The element that forced you out of RVS mode, that's what I want. Link me up if you feel you answered it. It's entirely possible that I missed it.
...but I want to be clear. It is not self-evident. So link me up or tell me, please.
@iLord - Thanks for the Burst meta suggestions. Quick question: it was your conclusion that his argumentative stylings were personality-driven rather than alignment-driven, is that correct? (Forgive me if I'm misremembering...I've been reading quickly).
@Yanni - You are voting Drey, but pushing on DJ for defending Zas in the guise of attacking kpaca, yes? I have forgotten why you are voting Drey, could you refresh my memory?
@kpaca - I'm going to need to see a prescription for that bag in your pocket.
@Zas - I've missed you.
@Niv - You, too.
So what about Kpaca's reaction is scummy?
I'm voting Drey because of his bad vote on ZasZ and implict saying he'd back off if ZasZ was more experienced.
I'm seeing DJC buddy to ZasZ which is a null read in my eyes at this point.
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...let's start here. Walk me through what you find scummy about this. I don't want to make assumptions.
Right here Drey votes on ZasZ for what msot of assumed was an obvious joke
He asks for experience when it really doesn't matter.
To me Drey is implying that he would back off depending on how much experience ZasZ had.
(To wit, ZasZ is new so he doesn't know what softclaims are, ZasZ is experienced so Drey assumes he knows what he's doing thus removing his number one target)
and as we've clarified, experience does not matter.
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Yes.
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That isn't what I said. I said Niv might be scumbuddies with Gigas but I have no clue how Niv plays.
Salutations.
Salutationsx2.
I think others will disagree with this.
His tone strikes me as frustrated, which is a bad thing. I was asking others for their opinion if this strikes to them as scummy Niv. I don't know Niv.
Explain how I am discrediting him. He is saying that I have posted no content, which is not true. That was in no way a deflection. It was a request for a decent amount of discussion from our group.
He was lashing out at me.
lash·ing [lash-ing]
noun
1.
the act of a person or thing that lashes.
2.
a whipping with or as if with a lash.
3.
a severe scolding; tongue-lashing.
Ha! You wish.
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I know zas is experienced. I'm also still not sure how this is a gambit?
Because I trust you are town and also respect you enough to both want your vote of confidence and trust your read tomorrow. I'm honestly not sure you're town, it's going to take more observation for me to determine that. What I do know is I have to treat you as town in the early game, and fill in the Blake's later.
Attempt would imply you had failed.
Lol what?
I think so?
lol I'm laughing straight to the bank with this.
What do you think of brinatoo?
If this is all true, I don't know what to think of you anymore. But I do have some ocean-front property in Montana that I've been trying to unload on the cheap. Interested?
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Holy hell...Kpaca is posting serious thoughtful content en masse. I have no idea what end is up anymore.
--->DJ
Only if you're town.
LOL
2. Still down to lynch Burstinatrix or Brinatoo. Still suspicious of Yanni due to his interactions with Burstinatrix's wagon. Still keeping an eye on DRey and ZasZ234 for their early throat-jumping.
3. Happy New Year!
You want me to read his mind?
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I'll post more after New Year's stuff is over. If anyone has any questions they want answered before then, ask me directly, and I might get to them today or early tomorrow.
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Ok I am a mind reader.
Scum.
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Lead pipe solid lock?
More like wet clay.
But definitely more solid than the cases against Zas and DRey. I see what you're interpreting as coaching, but I don't believe that's what Zas intended.
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