Wow, that ending. Can't say I was really expecting it, though they did leave some hints.
Korra and Assami is a real thing. I found this a little hard to believe and ham-fisted at first, but when looking back at all the hints given it seemed well done. I'm just incredibly depressed that this marks the end of Avatar as we know it. Maybe their will be another series down the line, and I hope there will be one day. I love this universe and I'd love to see more of it, in whatever form that may be.
Wow, that ending. Can't say I was really expecting it, though they did leave some hints.
Korra and Assami is a real thing. I found this a little hard to believe and ham-fisted at first, but when looking back at all the hints given it seemed well done. I'm just incredibly depressed that this marks the end of Avatar as we know it. Maybe their will be another series down the line, and I hope there will be one day. I love this universe and I'd love to see more of it, in whatever form that may be.
I really liked the finale.
I also like that the final moments can be read either way.
I have to say I wasn't initially sold on Korrasami. There were definitely subtle hints, and at the end I really wasn't sure if they were just really close best friends or if the implication was that it was romantic. Outside of the US hand-holding doesn't have as much of a romantic implication in many place, with straight male best friends being able to hold hands, so I wasn't sure what they were going for, so I have to say I was definitely confused. But either way, the finale was pretty great. The take down of the giant mech was awesome, and the show definitely evolved the mythos. I would love another show that takes place another 60+years down the line, with technology have evolved even further.
Wow, that ending. Can't say I was really expecting it, though they did leave some hints.
Korra and Assami is a real thing. I found this a little hard to believe and ham-fisted at first, but when looking back at all the hints given it seemed well done. I'm just incredibly depressed that this marks the end of Avatar as we know it. Maybe their will be another series down the line, and I hope there will be one day. I love this universe and I'd love to see more of it, in whatever form that may be.
I really liked the finale.
I also like that the final moments can be read either way.
I have to say I wasn't initially sold on Korrasami. There were definitely subtle hints, and at the end I really wasn't sure if they were just really close best friends or if the implication was that it was romantic. Outside of the US hand-holding doesn't have as much of a romantic implication in many place, with straight male best friends being able to hold hands, so I wasn't sure what they were going for, so I have to say I was definitely confused. But either way, the finale was pretty great. The take down of the giant mech was awesome, and the show definitely evolved the mythos. I would love another show that takes place another 60+years down the line, with technology have evolved even further.
I wasn't initially sold either, though I think the intention is a little more clear than you think. Mako's love interest for Korra was a non-factor during the fourth season of the show, and wasn't developed at all. Asami on the other hand had the letter scene with Korra, which seemed a bit more than friendly seeing as Korra states that the only person she could confess her issues to was Korra. As well, it isn't the mere hand holding that implies more than friendship, it's the way Korra and Asami looks in to each others eyes right before the camera moves away. Honestly, if they were intending to make Korrasami a real thing, they should have just had a kiss scene like TLA had with Aang and Kitara.
I saw all those earlier things simply as Korra and Asami having a better friendship because they're both women.
I think there was 2 reasons why it was so appealing
The first is that the writers went for the standard guy girl pairing that was cliche as hell, then they made the second cliche move of a MFF love triangle which made S2 quite annoying to watch. It was very pushed and not organic at all
The second reason is that the voice actresses for Korra and Asami actually meshed well together on screen and their friendship wasn't pushed as heavily as the romances.
Essentially korrasami was the underdog pairing that everyone cheered for because the other pairings were too cliche, forced, and overdone.
It was good ending, the disappointment to not seeing Toph and Zuko in the final portion was annoying similar to how we saw the elders in the original series go all out. This was more of a "passing the torch" than anything in relation to that.
The ending was great, the pairing was something I'm sort of uncaring really about it however I liked both characters. I found Mako to be annoying, the only male character I liked out of the two brothers was Bolin. The ending where they go into the spirit world, is something that allows for them to explore some untied storylines:
1. Korra's connection to her past lives has been severed, her past lives live in the spirit world
2. The waterbender previous to herself had the love of his life defaced, which leaves that plotline still unfinished with an obvious solution
3. Zaheer is still in the spirit world, the question bears then what happens whenever he sees Korra and Asami there and what he does there personally on a day to day basis.
4. What happens whenever a dead spirit enters the living world.
5. Whatever happened to the dark avatar and whether a dark avatar chain and the Red Lotus continues into the future
Those seem about five ways to continue the series, other than fleshing out some of the benders like the unnamed magma bender. I feel the series overall, was great and is as good as Batman:TAS and other great series.
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It was good ending, the disappointment to not seeing Toph and Zuko in the final portion was annoying similar to how we saw the elders in the original series go all out. This was more of a "passing the torch" than anything in relation to that.
The ending was great, the pairing was something I'm sort of uncaring really about it however I liked both characters. I found Mako to be annoying, the only male character I liked out of the two brothers was Bolin. The ending where they go into the spirit world, is something that allows for them to explore some untied storylines:
1. Korra's connection to her past lives has been severed, her past lives live in the spirit world
2. The waterbender previous to herself had the love of his life defaced, which leaves that plotline still unfinished with an obvious solution
3. Zaheer is still in the spirit world, the question bears then what happens whenever he sees Korra and Asami there and what he does there personally on a day to day basis.
4. What happens whenever a dead spirit enters the living world.
5. Whatever happened to the dark avatar and whether a dark avatar chain and the Red Lotus continues into the future
Those seem about five ways to continue the series, other than fleshing out some of the benders like the unnamed magma bender. I feel the series overall, was great and is as good as Batman:TAS and other great series.
1. Was this confirmed somewhere? As I understood it, her past lives were stored in Raava and with Raava's physical destruction in Book 2 thats why she couldn't access them
2. I'm hoping that one of the comics deals with Koh eventually, would be nifty
3. I don't think he'd do anything. Zaheer is pretty much reformed or, at least, remorseful after seeing his plan backfire so spectacularly. Presumably he explores, learns, attains spiritual growth. Were we to get a 3rd series, I guarentee Zaheer would be playing paisho with Iroh debating the nature of red v white lotus (in a kickass modern or futuristic world with an earth bender who doesn't even know that he is the avatar because reasons)
4. Imma go with "It's like a Force Ghost in Star Wars" - plus very few dead people are in the spirit world. One has to have a huge level of spiritual ability to go there and then stay there while their physical body falls apart. In series we only have Iroh as having successfully done that. The other humans that are in the spirit world are all in the memory fog and, if Zhao is any indication, they were snatched up bodily and never died. It appears that one does not age in the spirit world.
5. Not enough time has passed. There is likely a baby who will one day channel Vaatu's power, but this won't be a threat for a good while. Word of God is that the Red Lotus still exists (as do the equalists) but that their power is weakened to the point of irrelevance.
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I agree, and I will miss this. I haven't been as invested in fictional bi-racial lesbians kissing, well, ever.
Well, I just finished watching it, and here are my thoughts. Overall, it was an amazing season. Lots of action, humor, drama, great villain, great animation. I do however have two problems:
1. Too much Varrick and Zhu Li. I mean, I like that they expanded them, but still, it could be better spent on some major characters (like we never saw anything about Opal and Bolin). Also, I always thought Zhu Li's name is actually Julie.
2. The ending. I really expected Aang to show up and bring back the past lives of Korra or something. Instead, we have this ridiculous, out of the blue, lesbian relationship. I mean, don't get me wrong, I have nothing against homosexual relationships, especially in a cartoon aimed for kids (it's actually a pretty bold move), but it's just that it arrived so suddenly and so out of nowhere. And before you start saying "there were hints", no there weren't. Asami holding hands comforting Korra? Korra writing only to Asami? Asami complimenting Korra's new hairstyle? These are not hints that these two women are in love. They are just good friends. You are just grasping at straws. Heck, they hardly even spend any time together, and when they do, it's usually in some kind of action.
Let's be honest, after that whole love triangle debacle in the previous seasons, they pretty much didn't know what to do with Asami's love life (and in some way Korra's too), so they just went with a pretty lame route.
I also think that people will now remember this show more as a "that lesbian girl" than what it really is and that's a shame. So, no, I don't buy it. Instead of getting some resolution about Red Lotus, Korra's past lives, and the future of other characters, we got this fan service. Bad ending to a great season and show.
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Uhh, yeah, there were hints. During the 3rd season I was like "wait, are they?" a couple of times because a couple of things stood out and then season 4 had some pretty heavy hints, especially that Korra only writes Asami and nobody else. That one, right there, is huge.
Asami is not a "girly girl" and very much in an action tomboy vein outside of her high society birth. That she took the time to compliment Korra, of all people, on her haircut is very much a sign.
And, well, they aren't just good friends. The creators themselves announced that they intended it to be only just ambiguous enough to evade the censors.
Incidentally, as soon as Asami gave Tenzin that ridiculous excuse for him to leave I knew that they were going to make it official. I was practically tingling with "holy *****, they are going to finally kiss" which is a strange sensation as a 29 year old straight white man. Like, never before have I been as invested as I was in whether a bi-racial lesbian couple kissed.
Hell, it even makes sense from storytelling convention. Mako was written as the obvious love interest. He is good looking, good in a fight, and all the things that stories generally want in a male lead. Why not have them get together after they grow as people?
Because Korra doesn't actually like men and the Avatar universes version of equality movements didnt have anything to do with gender preference.
I'll be honest, I would have preferred her to end up with bo'lin (their date in season 1 was adorable) but after Opal was introduced it was pretty obvious that was never going to happen. That said, I still wasn't really that interested in Korrasami, but I knew a lot of people had been theorizing about it and I ended up spending the end of the series chuckling about how delighted the internet was going be having been right after all
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What hints exactly? If we are talking about her holding hands with Korra at the end, while Korra is in a wheelchair, saying "if you ever want to talk to someone, I'm here for you" that's not a hint. Heck, I would have done the same if I was Asami (maybe I wouldn't touch hands though, I'm still a guy).
During the 3rd season I was like "wait, are they?" a couple of times because a couple of things stood out and then season 4 had some pretty heavy hints, especially that Korra only writes Asami and nobody else. That one, right there, is huge.
No, not really. Sometimes I have problems that I would rather share with my male friends than female.
Asami is not a "girly girl" and very much in an action tomboy vein outside of her high society birth.
She sure wears a lot of makeup for a tomboy.
That she took the time to compliment Korra, of all people, on her haircut is very much a sign.
That is something that girls do ALL the time. I always hear girls complimenting their hairstyles, makeup, shoes or whatever. That doesn't make them gay.
The creators themselves announced that they intended it to be only just ambiguous enough to evade the censors.
They did, however, announce that Korrasami is real.
Because Korra doesn't actually like men
Korra from season 1 and 2 would disagree with you (as well as Asami).
Korra is tugging at her hair and blushing in response to Asami's compliment. Clear enough for you?
Again, not a hard enough evidence that she is into Asami. Heck, I blush a lot when people compliment me. That doesn't automatically makes me gay.
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It was much more subtle than many relationship buildups are. Without being privy to the writer's discussions it's hard to tell to what extent that was a result of concerns about political blowback vs. an artistic choice to subvert the usual American tv bash-you-over-the-head-with-obvious-romantic-tension tendencies (whatever the reason, I appreciated that).
What we can say, however is that is was not "out of the blue." We can say that because empirically there were a bunch of people (myself, for example) who noticed the hints from two seasons away and considered it quite likely by the later half of season 4.
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What hints exactly? If we are talking about her holding hands with Korra at the end, while Korra is in a wheelchair, saying "if you ever want to talk to someone, I'm here for you" that's not a hint. Heck, I would have done the same if I was Asami (maybe I wouldn't touch hands though, I'm still a guy).
During the 3rd season I was like "wait, are they?" a couple of times because a couple of things stood out and then season 4 had some pretty heavy hints, especially that Korra only writes Asami and nobody else. That one, right there, is huge.
No, not really. Sometimes I have problems that I would rather share with my male friends than female.
Asami is not a "girly girl" and very much in an action tomboy vein outside of her high society birth.
She sure wears a lot of makeup for a tomboy.
That she took the time to compliment Korra, of all people, on her haircut is very much a sign.
That is something that girls do ALL the time. I always hear girls complimenting their hairstyles, makeup, shoes or whatever. That doesn't make them gay.
The creators themselves announced that they intended it to be only just ambiguous enough to evade the censors.
They did, however, announce that Korrasami is real.
Because Korra doesn't actually like men
Korra from season 1 and 2 would disagree with you (as well as Asami).
Korra is tugging at her hair and blushing in response to Asami's compliment. Clear enough for you?
Again, not a hard enough evidence that she is into Asami. Heck, I blush a lot when people compliment me. That doesn't automatically makes me gay.
There are lots of little things that began to build up over time. I am not a shipper. Trying to figure out which fictional characters are, or should, get together into a romantic relationship in the end is not something that I have ever actively participated in. The examples, the half dozen or so, are subtle. "you ever wanna talk, or (as asami casts her eyes to the ground briefly) anything"
Little blushes here and there.
Character interactions at the expense of other characters who could have done that.
Lots of little things and people picked up on it. You didn't and thats fine, but this thing you're doing where you're going through the myriad examples going "well, that could just them being friends" is, first, only looking at the dialogue of the scene and not the body language cues within the scene where little blushes, averted gazes and other things that are classic (and clear!) examples of attraction. Especialy as it relates to the lack of homosexual characters in the avatar universe. This is a world where this isn't a gay pride movement. Asami and Korra have no role models, zero, for a lesbian relationship. Being aware that romantic feelings towards another girl is something that is new to them.
Asami wears plenty of make up, indeed, as she was raised as a high society industrialist. She wears the clothing and outward appearance of that, but the Asami we know from her character interactions starts with hitting Mako with a motorcycle, kicking the ***** out of highly trained fighters, using robots to blow stuff up, and the various other bits of mechanical stuff.
What Asami LOOKS LIKE and who she IS are two very different people. She is not the kind of girl who is constantly complimenting the women in her social circle about their fashion. Do girls in real life do that? Some do, some don't, but the important thing here is that Asami does not. Plus, you know, the blushing hair pulling which, again, are body language cues of attractions.
No single one of these is the indication, but taken as a whole (plus, you know, the authors of the media explicitly stating that this is what they were doing) its a subtle build towards the relationship we see at the end there.
Hell, I don't even believe Varrick was actually using a wingsuit. I think Asami lied to Tenzin to get some alone time with Korra.
Remember, you live in a world that has gay people in it. Famous ones, leaders, with support circles for people dealing with the ramifications of being gay. That they dated Mako, the character that, were they straight, storytelling convention (As well as general rules about attraction, etc) would have either of them end of with Mako. That they both tried to like men and then it didn't work out is either proof that bisexual people exist or that some gay people don't realize that they are gay at first.
Korra and Asami do not. They are, literally, the first gay (or bi) people in the Avatar verse.
Yes, its confirmed. Mike and Bryan hoped it would be obvious enough, but both of their tumblers have posts saying "yes, it was our intention that they become a couple"
I think Boh is asking whether they confirmed that there weren't any other same-sex couples in the past. Which I was also curious about reading your post; I'd assumed that they were probably not in the first 1000 same-sex Avatarverse couples, it was just rare and not previously touched on by the narrative.
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no, that's not it at all: are Korra and Asami the first non hetero couple to exist in the world (including outside of the storyline), or is it a thing that, because of bending, sexual orientation wasn't that big a deal to people, and you could legitimately be in a relationship like that and people wouldn't bat an eye.
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I really liked the finale.
I also like that the final moments can be read either way.
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I saw all those earlier things simply as Korra and Asami having a better friendship because they're both women.
I think there was 2 reasons why it was so appealing
The first is that the writers went for the standard guy girl pairing that was cliche as hell, then they made the second cliche move of a MFF love triangle which made S2 quite annoying to watch. It was very pushed and not organic at all
The second reason is that the voice actresses for Korra and Asami actually meshed well together on screen and their friendship wasn't pushed as heavily as the romances.
Essentially korrasami was the underdog pairing that everyone cheered for because the other pairings were too cliche, forced, and overdone.
The ending was great, the pairing was something I'm sort of uncaring really about it however I liked both characters. I found Mako to be annoying, the only male character I liked out of the two brothers was Bolin. The ending where they go into the spirit world, is something that allows for them to explore some untied storylines:
1. Korra's connection to her past lives has been severed, her past lives live in the spirit world
2. The waterbender previous to herself had the love of his life defaced, which leaves that plotline still unfinished with an obvious solution
3. Zaheer is still in the spirit world, the question bears then what happens whenever he sees Korra and Asami there and what he does there personally on a day to day basis.
4. What happens whenever a dead spirit enters the living world.
5. Whatever happened to the dark avatar and whether a dark avatar chain and the Red Lotus continues into the future
Those seem about five ways to continue the series, other than fleshing out some of the benders like the unnamed magma bender. I feel the series overall, was great and is as good as Batman:TAS and other great series.
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1. Was this confirmed somewhere? As I understood it, her past lives were stored in Raava and with Raava's physical destruction in Book 2 thats why she couldn't access them
2. I'm hoping that one of the comics deals with Koh eventually, would be nifty
3. I don't think he'd do anything. Zaheer is pretty much reformed or, at least, remorseful after seeing his plan backfire so spectacularly. Presumably he explores, learns, attains spiritual growth. Were we to get a 3rd series, I guarentee Zaheer would be playing paisho with Iroh debating the nature of red v white lotus (in a kickass modern or futuristic world with an earth bender who doesn't even know that he is the avatar because reasons)
4. Imma go with "It's like a Force Ghost in Star Wars" - plus very few dead people are in the spirit world. One has to have a huge level of spiritual ability to go there and then stay there while their physical body falls apart. In series we only have Iroh as having successfully done that. The other humans that are in the spirit world are all in the memory fog and, if Zhao is any indication, they were snatched up bodily and never died. It appears that one does not age in the spirit world.
5. Not enough time has passed. There is likely a baby who will one day channel Vaatu's power, but this won't be a threat for a good while. Word of God is that the Red Lotus still exists (as do the equalists) but that their power is weakened to the point of irrelevance.
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I agree, and I will miss this. I haven't been as invested in fictional bi-racial lesbians kissing, well, ever.
2. The ending. I really expected Aang to show up and bring back the past lives of Korra or something. Instead, we have this ridiculous, out of the blue, lesbian relationship. I mean, don't get me wrong, I have nothing against homosexual relationships, especially in a cartoon aimed for kids (it's actually a pretty bold move), but it's just that it arrived so suddenly and so out of nowhere. And before you start saying "there were hints", no there weren't. Asami holding hands comforting Korra? Korra writing only to Asami? Asami complimenting Korra's new hairstyle? These are not hints that these two women are in love. They are just good friends. You are just grasping at straws. Heck, they hardly even spend any time together, and when they do, it's usually in some kind of action.
Let's be honest, after that whole love triangle debacle in the previous seasons, they pretty much didn't know what to do with Asami's love life (and in some way Korra's too), so they just went with a pretty lame route.
I also think that people will now remember this show more as a "that lesbian girl" than what it really is and that's a shame. So, no, I don't buy it. Instead of getting some resolution about Red Lotus, Korra's past lives, and the future of other characters, we got this fan service. Bad ending to a great season and show.
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Asami is not a "girly girl" and very much in an action tomboy vein outside of her high society birth. That she took the time to compliment Korra, of all people, on her haircut is very much a sign.
And, well, they aren't just good friends. The creators themselves announced that they intended it to be only just ambiguous enough to evade the censors.
Incidentally, as soon as Asami gave Tenzin that ridiculous excuse for him to leave I knew that they were going to make it official. I was practically tingling with "holy *****, they are going to finally kiss" which is a strange sensation as a 29 year old straight white man. Like, never before have I been as invested as I was in whether a bi-racial lesbian couple kissed.
Hell, it even makes sense from storytelling convention. Mako was written as the obvious love interest. He is good looking, good in a fight, and all the things that stories generally want in a male lead. Why not have them get together after they grow as people?
Because Korra doesn't actually like men and the Avatar universes version of equality movements didnt have anything to do with gender preference.
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Korra is tugging at her hair and blushing in response to Asami's compliment. Clear enough for you?
What hints exactly? If we are talking about her holding hands with Korra at the end, while Korra is in a wheelchair, saying "if you ever want to talk to someone, I'm here for you" that's not a hint. Heck, I would have done the same if I was Asami (maybe I wouldn't touch hands though, I'm still a guy).
No, not really. Sometimes I have problems that I would rather share with my male friends than female.
She sure wears a lot of makeup for a tomboy.
That is something that girls do ALL the time. I always hear girls complimenting their hairstyles, makeup, shoes or whatever. That doesn't make them gay.
They did, however, announce that Korrasami is real.
Korra from season 1 and 2 would disagree with you (as well as Asami).
Again, not a hard enough evidence that she is into Asami. Heck, I blush a lot when people compliment me. That doesn't automatically makes me gay.
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What we can say, however is that is was not "out of the blue." We can say that because empirically there were a bunch of people (myself, for example) who noticed the hints from two seasons away and considered it quite likely by the later half of season 4.
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There are lots of little things that began to build up over time. I am not a shipper. Trying to figure out which fictional characters are, or should, get together into a romantic relationship in the end is not something that I have ever actively participated in. The examples, the half dozen or so, are subtle. "you ever wanna talk, or (as asami casts her eyes to the ground briefly) anything"
Little blushes here and there.
Character interactions at the expense of other characters who could have done that.
Lots of little things and people picked up on it. You didn't and thats fine, but this thing you're doing where you're going through the myriad examples going "well, that could just them being friends" is, first, only looking at the dialogue of the scene and not the body language cues within the scene where little blushes, averted gazes and other things that are classic (and clear!) examples of attraction. Especialy as it relates to the lack of homosexual characters in the avatar universe. This is a world where this isn't a gay pride movement. Asami and Korra have no role models, zero, for a lesbian relationship. Being aware that romantic feelings towards another girl is something that is new to them.
Asami wears plenty of make up, indeed, as she was raised as a high society industrialist. She wears the clothing and outward appearance of that, but the Asami we know from her character interactions starts with hitting Mako with a motorcycle, kicking the ***** out of highly trained fighters, using robots to blow stuff up, and the various other bits of mechanical stuff.
What Asami LOOKS LIKE and who she IS are two very different people. She is not the kind of girl who is constantly complimenting the women in her social circle about their fashion. Do girls in real life do that? Some do, some don't, but the important thing here is that Asami does not. Plus, you know, the blushing hair pulling which, again, are body language cues of attractions.
No single one of these is the indication, but taken as a whole (plus, you know, the authors of the media explicitly stating that this is what they were doing) its a subtle build towards the relationship we see at the end there.
Hell, I don't even believe Varrick was actually using a wingsuit. I think Asami lied to Tenzin to get some alone time with Korra.
Remember, you live in a world that has gay people in it. Famous ones, leaders, with support circles for people dealing with the ramifications of being gay. That they dated Mako, the character that, were they straight, storytelling convention (As well as general rules about attraction, etc) would have either of them end of with Mako. That they both tried to like men and then it didn't work out is either proof that bisexual people exist or that some gay people don't realize that they are gay at first.
Korra and Asami do not. They are, literally, the first gay (or bi) people in the Avatar verse.
Also, not sure if this discussion should be spoilered... lol.
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Interested in Custom Card Creation.
My Cube:Cardinal Custom Cube
A custom version of a third modern masters: MM2019
(filter->rarity to see in set rarity).
These are the first examples of gay people shown in the Avatar verse. Are you saying we need to wait to see if they Dumbledore someone or something?
"normality is a paved road: it is comfortable to walk, but no flowers grow there."
-Vincent Van Gogh
things I hate:
1. lists.
b. inconsistencies.
V. incorrect math.
2. quotes in signatures
III: irony.
there are two kinds of people in the world: those who can make reasonable conclusions based on conjecture.