I do not see how any woman could find Michonne to be a relatable character. She's obnoxious and secretive to the point that if I were any character in the show, I'd have killed her by now. The acerbic woman who puts up wall after wall after wall is a character that never fails to bore me.
She's literally interacted with two groups of people. She just met Rick's group, and the Governor's group proves her attitude to be the right one.
I agree it was Done well and even better on the show. You got everything you needed from that scene in a very hitchcockian "less-is-more" style. The scene on the show made me truly uncomfortable, whereas the scene in the comics was just more ultra violence, IMO. Making people think about something is often much more powerful than outright showing them in cinema.
I agree as well.
ALTHOUGH, I think instead of the Governor walking away, perhaps they could've just ended the scene with him behind her and cut to another scene/commercial. In that way it would be up to the viewer to determine and endless internet debates = did he or didn't he.
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ALTHOUGH, I think instead of the Governor walking away, perhaps they could've just ended the scene with him behind her and cut to another scene/commercial. In that way it would be up to the viewer to determine and endless internet debates = did he or didn't he.
That is more or less what I was hoping for, though instead of cutting to black I probably would have panned to Glen in the next room, had Maggie scream once, captured his reaction, and then cut to commercial.
It seems like they're baiting us with the Governor – he's not the sicko in the comic (at least as I recall him), so while he pushes the envelope for Something Not Right In Woodbury, it seems like they're not going make it easy for us to hate him, at least not until the return from the break
It seems like they're baiting us with the Governor – he's not the sicko in the comic (at least as I recall him), so while he pushes the envelope for Something Not Right In Woodbury, it seems like they're not going make it easy for us to hate him, at least not until the return from the break
I'm not sure we're watching the same show. There's the murder of a wounded soldier. The slaughter of other soldiers, and then Maggie. I agree he's not the "super villain" of the comics but I'm finding it easy to hate the guy.
Because conservative bias is a far, far worse thing. Liberal bias doesn't, statistically speaking, make people stupid. Conservative bias (or at least Fox's version of it) does.
I personally would like to see more evil from the Governor. He's a loathsome SOB for sure, but in the comics he was so much worse. Like, Hitler level evil. I want more of that.
I'm really hoping Michonne gets captured and he does the whole torture/rape thing. I don't want to see the rape at all but I think it was an important part of the story that needs to happen. Rape is a big deal and it's something that would stick with Michonne long term. And even though it's super ****ed up it's also a good opportunity for great character development. Just my 2 cents.
Other than all that I'm absolutely loving this season!
I'm not sure we're watching the same show. There's the murder of a wounded soldier. The slaughter of other soldiers, and then Maggie. I agree he's not the "super villain" of the comics but I'm finding it easy to hate the guy.
He is so much more pragmatic in the show though.
What the show does is split the Comic Governor into the Governor and Merle. We see the cold and planned murder of the soldiers, but the bloody torture he was so defined by hasn't quite shown up yet.
I think we are meant to feel conflict over the governor. Theres the rick side to him where he is protecting his people. Then theres is the unknown quantity about the governor. I believe there is still much character development to be done.
When the next time the governor's daughter is revealed, we may be begin to see more of a transformation or have more revealed about the governor. it would be too easy if he was just over the top from the beginning. I believe we will eventually his struggle and his transformation will be revealed.
This break is going to take forever. Why must they make us wait until February for more episodes?!
I'm really glad to see that they finally added Tyreese to the show, I had given up on him ever showing up. I can't help but wonder how long he'll be around though given when he made his exit in the comics and where the show is at. I really want to know how it's going to play out with Merle and Daryl when they come back. I think this episode set the stage nicely for a lot of action and fighting when they come back from the break.
Oh, and Carl is seriously turning into a little bad ass. I approve.
This break is going to take forever. Why must they make us wait until February for more episodes?!
I'm really glad to see that they finally added Tyreese to the show, I had given up on him ever showing up. I can't help but wonder how long he'll be around though given when he made his exit in the comics and where the show is at. I really want to know how it's going to play out with Merle and Daryl when they come back. I think this episode set the stage nicely for a lot of action and fighting when they come back from the break.
Oh, and Carl is seriously turning into a little bad ass. I approve.
Agree completely. Seein that introduction was a great surprise.
the turn of the governer to flip Merle's allegiance was a great twist. I see this ending one of two ways: Merle's rejoins Ricky's group at the tequest of daryl, or Merle dies. If daryl dies, I might start hating the show.
I think Tyrese will be around for a bit and Herschel is on his way out by the end of the season.
Because conservative bias is a far, far worse thing. Liberal bias doesn't, statistically speaking, make people stupid. Conservative bias (or at least Fox's version of it) does.
IMDB also has Jeffery DeMunn (Dale) as being in all 19 of the season one and two episodes even though he was killed off part way into season two. IMDB is not a reliable source for this type of info.
A friend of mine was complaining to me the other day about how the show has diverged from the comics so much.
Maybe it's just me, but this is probably my favorite aspect of the show. I wouldn't be nearly this into the show had it just been a strict recreation of the comic. It feels fresh, exciting, and unpredictable, which is pretty unique amongst book-to-TV/movie adaptations I've experienced in the past.
A friend of mine was complaining to me the other day about how the show has diverged from the comics so much.
Maybe it's just me, but this is probably my favorite aspect of the show. I wouldn't be nearly this into the show had it just been a strict recreation of the comic. It feels fresh, exciting, and unpredictable, which is pretty unique amongst book-to-TV/movie adaptations I've experienced in the past.
I'm glad it has diverged. Scene by scene recreations of source material are boring and rarely work as well as you would think.
The Walking Dead isn't a show about any given arc, it's a show about characters trying to survive. As long as it stays true to that premise, I'm happy.
And, on the flip side last year I got a friend the Walking Dead Omnibus for Christmas, which he refuses to read because he doesn't want anything spoiled. He doesn't listen to me when I say it's different enough that you'll only know the broad strokes.
I'm glad it has diverged. Scene by scene recreations of source material are boring and rarely work as well as you would think.
The Walking Dead isn't a show about any given arc, it's a show about characters trying to survive. As long as it stays true to that premise, I'm happy.
And, on the flip side last year I got a friend the Walking Dead Omnibus for Christmas, which he refuses to read because he doesn't want anything spoiled. He doesn't listen to me when I say it's different enough that you'll only know the broad strokes.
I've read the first 96 issues (Compendiums 1 & 2) and MAYBE 20% of the content translates over to the television series and to be perfectly honest, I find the show to be better than the comic. The show is more focused where as the comic has so many different characters the story line can get watered down because there's too much going on at once.
Tell your friend to think of it like an alternate universe. Kind of like the elseworlds comics in the DCU or the what if comics in the MarvelU. The show is different because Kirkland and the producers wanted it to be different. They need to be able to build suspense and have cliffhangers and all that stuff that any successful TV show needs. If they did a carbon copy of the comics this would be impossible as 50% of the viewers would know everything that happens before it happens.
I'm actually surprised that the Walking Dead has had such great praise from the majority of comics fans, rather than having droves of people *****ing about how every little minute detail from the comics are completely honored from the colors of the clothes to the shape of their faces.
Then I remember that readers of the Walking Dead aren't all prepubescent girls or middle aged raging neckbeards.
I'm actually surprised that the Walking Dead has had such great praise from the majority of comics fans, rather than having droves of people *****ing about how every little minute detail from the comics are completely honored from the colors of the clothes to the shape of their faces.
Then I remember that readers of the Walking Dead aren't all prepubescent girls or middle aged raging neckbeards.
And you remembered that anyone who would ***** about minutia would have given up on the show after the first season? It was blatantly clear from about episode 4 onward that the comics were at most a loose basis for the show and the only reall similarity would be in character names.
I saw a behind the scenes thing after season one where one of the writers or producers was talking about the source material. Basically she said their policy is to follow the overall "map" of the comics but not necessarily the details. So follow the macro but not the micro. She said as long as they hit the big important events and follow the overall tone (i.e. it's the living that you really have to worry about) then that's enough for them.
So far that's exactly what they've done. Shane is dead but not before knocking up Lori, who also dies shortly after. Carl got shot, leading to the group finding Hershyl's farm. The prison was found and moved into, and of course the trouble with the Governor and Woodbury. They've changed a lot of the who’s, how’s and whys but overall the show is going in the same direction as the comics. I'm betting season four will have Rick and whoever else survives season three (Carl, Glen and Michonne are probably safe bets) meeting up with Abraham and his group and heading up to DC.
It's finally back! What did everyone think? Personally I was slightly bummed, all the trailers led us to believe we were going to see Rick and the Governor meet face to face for the first time. I guess we'll have to keep waiting. Other than that I like it.
She's literally interacted with two groups of people. She just met Rick's group, and the Governor's group proves her attitude to be the right one.
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I agree as well.
ALTHOUGH, I think instead of the Governor walking away, perhaps they could've just ended the scene with him behind her and cut to another scene/commercial. In that way it would be up to the viewer to determine and endless internet debates = did he or didn't he.
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That is more or less what I was hoping for, though instead of cutting to black I probably would have panned to Glen in the next room, had Maggie scream once, captured his reaction, and then cut to commercial.
He is so much more pragmatic in the show though.
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When the next time the governor's daughter is revealed, we may be begin to see more of a transformation or have more revealed about the governor. it would be too easy if he was just over the top from the beginning. I believe we will eventually his struggle and his transformation will be revealed.
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Agree completely. Seein that introduction was a great surprise.
I think Tyrese will be around for a bit and Herschel is on his way out by the end of the season.
IMDB has his confirmed in all of them...
IMDB also has Jeffery DeMunn (Dale) as being in all 19 of the season one and two episodes even though he was killed off part way into season two. IMDB is not a reliable source for this type of info.
I thought it said "credited" for the episodes in which he was gone.
It was pretty accurate with T-Dog.
Maybe it's just me, but this is probably my favorite aspect of the show. I wouldn't be nearly this into the show had it just been a strict recreation of the comic. It feels fresh, exciting, and unpredictable, which is pretty unique amongst book-to-TV/movie adaptations I've experienced in the past.
I'm glad it has diverged. Scene by scene recreations of source material are boring and rarely work as well as you would think.
The Walking Dead isn't a show about any given arc, it's a show about characters trying to survive. As long as it stays true to that premise, I'm happy.
And, on the flip side last year I got a friend the Walking Dead Omnibus for Christmas, which he refuses to read because he doesn't want anything spoiled. He doesn't listen to me when I say it's different enough that you'll only know the broad strokes.
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I've read the first 96 issues (Compendiums 1 & 2) and MAYBE 20% of the content translates over to the television series and to be perfectly honest, I find the show to be better than the comic. The show is more focused where as the comic has so many different characters the story line can get watered down because there's too much going on at once.
Then I remember that readers of the Walking Dead aren't all prepubescent girls or middle aged raging neckbeards.
And you remembered that anyone who would ***** about minutia would have given up on the show after the first season? It was blatantly clear from about episode 4 onward that the comics were at most a loose basis for the show and the only reall similarity would be in character names.
So far that's exactly what they've done. Shane is dead but not before knocking up Lori, who also dies shortly after. Carl got shot, leading to the group finding Hershyl's farm. The prison was found and moved into, and of course the trouble with the Governor and Woodbury. They've changed a lot of the who’s, how’s and whys but overall the show is going in the same direction as the comics. I'm betting season four will have Rick and whoever else survives season three (Carl, Glen and Michonne are probably safe bets) meeting up with Abraham and his group and heading up to DC.