You realize Season 5 is when Eric Kripke left, right? He had planned out the 5 season arc.
Whoops, I forgot to mention that in my post. Yes, Kripke's departure is when the show started to drop in quality a bit.
But yeah, I actually think a lower makeup/fancy pants budget helps. It gives it a more realistic feel, because you're not spending truckloads of cash making sure everyone is looking pretty.
It sort of makes sense in a "human nature" sort of way. If you've got a giant budget for doing makeup, you'll probably be more inclined to spend it. With a smaller budget, you actually have to think about how you're going to use it and you can just do the basics on scenes when the characters are supposed to look dirty.
Not to mention when ratings-obsessed executives force you to cast young good-looking people to appeal to the largest demographics.
Everything scares me... kitties scare me... squirrels scare me... corpses....corpses bring forth a pletora of confusing feeling which i prefer not to dwell on...:p
Season 5 is where the quality dropped off? Huh, I should probably go watch that then.
Season 6 is when the quality dropped. Seasons 1-5 were great. But Kripke left after the five season arc was finished.
Did I ruin anything by having only really seen the second half of the Leviathan season?
Maybe a little. If you never actually saw the first five seasons, a lot of stuff might have been mentioned that took a multi-season buildup to get to. It sort of ruins the tension of some of the stuff from the early days of the show.
Everything scares me... kitties scare me... squirrels scare me... corpses....corpses bring forth a pletora of confusing feeling which i prefer not to dwell on...:p
Season 5 is where the quality dropped off? Huh, I should probably go watch that then.
Did I ruin anything by having only really seen the second half of the Leviathan season?
You miss a lot of the character development. If you watch through all the seasons you understand better why the brothers are the way they are and it explains why they tend to be such jerks. You also find out how Crowley and Castiel became part of the story.
Season 5 is where the quality dropped off? Huh, I should probably go watch that then.
Did I ruin anything by having only really seen the second half of the Leviathan season?
That's like watching the second half of the Phantom Menace.
There is a nice build-up from Seasons 1-5 with more and more gradual revelations that expands the universe. Plus many of the 'monster of the week' episodes from season 1 and 2 are still the best episodes.
Started watching S1, really enjoying it so far, both the pilot and the first demon episode.
Regarding revolution, I kind of like the USB drives of power assuming some of the following is true.
1. Nanotech is what is responsible for the blackout
2. The nanotech is solar powered and prevents other electronics from working
3. The USB drives have nanotech shielding
4. Activating the USB drives toggles the nanotech from blocking electronics to providing energy they've stored up (think tesla)
I love how the major discussion in the Revolution thread is not actually about the show Revolution.
Apparently NBC ordered a full season of the show. I just do not get it. First of all, it bothers me because think of how many pilots weren't bought and how many shows will be cancelled and THIS succeeds?
Captain Neville is a freaking amazing character, makes the show
I definitely agree.
Many...er.. .most... of the other characters are so-so, especially Charlie. I'm still not diggin' her at all and every episode I hope she gets less and less screen time. :/ That's not a good thing to want from a central character.
But yes, the Captain is truly THE stand-out character.
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But yes, the Captain is truly THE stand-out character.
In the pilot the actor was able to sell the audience on the idea that this badass character really was just a mild-mannered insurance adjustor before the Blackout and he changed to adjust to the new world in order to protect his family.
The reason I still watch the show is because I like the idea of exploring how decent people have to take tough decisions in a survival situation and how it changes them. This is why I enjoy the characters of Neville and Miles but do not like Charlie or Danny.
Having lost power for almost a week, I can safely say that Cervid needs to immediately give back his biology degree, because he's obviously not qualified to have it if he can't figure out that human beings after a week without power and running water don't look like models, let alone fifteen years post-apocalypse.
My understanding of the last episode was that they finally figured out that Charlie's sole use on the show was that she's attractive, so they got her naked, only to have the blatant fan-service-fueled ratings grab cut short by, of all things, a massive power shortage.
Anyone have thoughts on the rest of the episode? Did it actually make any sense this time?
I recently watched all of the episodes that were on my DVR, and will probably keep watching the show, I suppose. I'm interested in seeing how the characters that actually have some development got to where they are. Learning the back story of the actor that plays Gus in Breaking Bad(it was easier to just type that than it was to look up his name, heh) was intriguing. Learning how Miles and his buddy came to where they are should also be interesting. But, like so many major network shows that have come out over the last couple of years, I don't see how the show can last more than a season. There is no 'long term' aspect to the story arc(especially considering that we're only 6 episodes in and have already learned that at least some people still have access to electricity, and the militia is using steam power).
The problem with the show is that supposed to be a family show, but it deals with a subject matter that isn't particularly family oriented(conceptually it is too deep for children or even young teenagers to appreciate). Considering the time slot they gave it, they should have just made a real show out of it.
Having lost power for almost a week, I can safely say that Cervid needs to immediately give back his biology degree, because he's obviously not qualified to have it if he can't figure out that human beings after a week without power and running water don't look like models, let alone fifteen years post-apocalypse.
My understanding of the last episode was that they finally figured out that Charlie's sole use on the show was that she's attractive, so they got her naked, only to have the blatant fan-service-fueled ratings grab cut short by, of all things, a massive power shortage.
Anyone have thoughts on the rest of the episode? Did it actually make any sense this time?
I am going to guess you dont camp/hunt/spend time outdoors much. The lack of electricity and running water are minor inconvenience's in survival.
Those are however major inconveniences in not stinking. I've been to the mountains, I know how people smell (and look) after three days of trekking, when the only running water is a few degrees above freezing.
BTW did they even start trying to make sense of the whole "electricity is gone" thing? I can't force myself to watch this, but some sort of morbid curiosity just keeps on nagging for answers. It's LOST all over again for me.
I have camped for months at a time, its really not that hard to heat up that cold water to wash. We never had a problem with stinking because we found ways to wash. They are not in the mountains, or hiking, they are in towns and villages.
They just started to get into the no electricity thing.
Those are however major inconveniences in not stinking. I've been to the mountains, I know how people smell (and look) after three days of trekking, when the only running water is a few degrees above freezing.
This. Hiking for a week makes you look like crap. We're talking fifteen years.
This. Hiking for a week makes you look like crap. We're talking fifteen years.
Huge difference in a week long hike and living that way for 15 years. Like I have said, go camping for a month and see how it turns out. Its really not that hard to be clean and look like those on the show.
Electricity and running water is relatively new in the human day to day life. Its a wonder our forefathers could get by without it.
Huge difference in a week long hike and living that way for 15 years.
Yes, because the effects accumulate.
Like I have said, go camping for a month and see how it turns out. Its really not that hard to be clean and look like those on the show.
Were you actively conditioning your hair, blow-drying your hair, styling your hair, and shaving your legs during that month of camping? Did you bring an iron to make sure your clothes were nice and wrinkle-free? What is it you think "camping" means?
Also, note that blow-driers don't work in this world. Nor do electric irons.
Electricity and running water is relatively new in the human day to day life. Its a wonder our forefathers could get by without it.
This is a point you don't seem to understand, and many others seem out of touch on also: People in the past did not have the same conventions of cleanliness we do.
Our conception of cleanliness and our habit of daily bathing comes out of:
1. An understanding of hygiene
2. Regular access to running water
3. Regular access to hygienic water
4. Industrialization and urbanization
5. Abundant amounts of perfume available in an incredible range of products
6. The cultural perception that how clean and nice-smelling a person is indicates social status
7. The prevalence of others who bathe daily to establish a trend
This didn't exist in colonial times. In fact, number six only really started in the Victorian era. In Elizabethan times, nobles would rarely bathe more frequently than every few weeks, and commoners a few times a year. Not to mention how it wouldn't make sense for people in an agrarian society who would regularly shovel mud/hay/feces, have no working toilets, and who ride horses would be overly concerned about their appearance and smell.
So once again, how and why in the post-apocalyptic world does an impoverished, subsistance-farming community with no running water come out to be so clean? Even if they could do so, they would have no reason to.
Were you actively conditioning your hair, blow-drying your hair, styling your hair, and shaving your legs during that month of camping? Did you bring an iron to make sure your clothes were nice and wrinkle-free? What is it you think "camping" means?
Also, note that blow-driers don't work in this world. Nor do electric irons.
This is a point you don't seem to understand, and many others seem out of touch on also: People in the past did not have the same conventions of cleanliness we do.
Our conception of cleanliness and our habit of daily bathing comes out of:
1. An understanding of hygiene
2. Regular access to running water
3. Regular access to hygienic water
4. Industrialization and urbanization
5. Abundant amounts of perfume available in an incredible range of products
6. The cultural perception that how clean and nice-smelling a person is indicates social status
7. The prevalence of others who bathe daily to establish a trend
This didn't exist in colonial times. In fact, number six only really started in the Victorian era. In Elizabethan times, nobles would rarely bathe more frequently than every few weeks, and commoners a few times a year. Not to mention how it wouldn't make sense for people in an agrarian society who would regularly shovel mud/hay/feces, have no working toilets, and who ride horses would be overly concerned about their appearance and smell.
So once again, how and why in the post-apocalyptic world does an impoverished, subsistance-farming community with no running water come out to be so clean? Even if they could do so, they would have no reason to.
But what you fail to realize is once you grow accustom to a certain life style, you will try and replicate it even without all of the bells and whistles. Everything we have now grew out of something else. The way we do things today isnt the only way to accomplish something.
But what you fail to realize is once you grow accustom to a certain life style, you will try and replicate it even without all of the bells and whistles.
A certain lifestyle that is reliant upon power and computers and industrialization, none of which exist.
You don't seem to understand the time span, bocephus. The electicity has been out for fifteen years. That means people have adapted to life after power for fifteen years. That means several generations of people living longer without power than with.
Once again, there is no reason why a impoverished subsistence farming community in the middle of nowhere has people that look like they're out of a Calvin Klein catalog. It doesn't work.
Whoops, I forgot to mention that in my post. Yes, Kripke's departure is when the show started to drop in quality a bit.
But yeah, I actually think a lower makeup/fancy pants budget helps. It gives it a more realistic feel, because you're not spending truckloads of cash making sure everyone is looking pretty.
It sort of makes sense in a "human nature" sort of way. If you've got a giant budget for doing makeup, you'll probably be more inclined to spend it. With a smaller budget, you actually have to think about how you're going to use it and you can just do the basics on scenes when the characters are supposed to look dirty.
Not to mention when ratings-obsessed executives force you to cast young good-looking people to appeal to the largest demographics.
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Did I ruin anything by having only really seen the second half of the Leviathan season?
Season 6 is when the quality dropped. Seasons 1-5 were great. But Kripke left after the five season arc was finished.
Maybe a little. If you never actually saw the first five seasons, a lot of stuff might have been mentioned that took a multi-season buildup to get to. It sort of ruins the tension of some of the stuff from the early days of the show.
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You miss a lot of the character development. If you watch through all the seasons you understand better why the brothers are the way they are and it explains why they tend to be such jerks. You also find out how Crowley and Castiel became part of the story.
That's like watching the second half of the Phantom Menace.
There is a nice build-up from Seasons 1-5 with more and more gradual revelations that expands the universe. Plus many of the 'monster of the week' episodes from season 1 and 2 are still the best episodes.
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Regarding revolution, I kind of like the USB drives of power assuming some of the following is true.
1. Nanotech is what is responsible for the blackout
2. The nanotech is solar powered and prevents other electronics from working
3. The USB drives have nanotech shielding
4. Activating the USB drives toggles the nanotech from blocking electronics to providing energy they've stored up (think tesla)
Apparently NBC ordered a full season of the show. I just do not get it. First of all, it bothers me because think of how many pilots weren't bought and how many shows will be cancelled and THIS succeeds?
I don't get it.
I also think episode 3 cleared up some of the "oh, fancy that, they happened to know each other" plot contrivances in ep1/2
TBH, I actually like the show so far. It has its flaws, but I'm willing to look past those for the time being.
A lot of the "god, what idiots" plot hole ish stuff has been filled in nicely and the captain is still awesome, I'm digging this more every week
Shes getting a bit developed.
Miles kind of makes the show for me, along with danny and the cap'n. Danny totally looks like a Hobbit, however
I agree. While its not great by any means, I've stuck it out thus far and it its growing on me. I like it enough to keep watching.
I definitely agree.
Many...er.. .most... of the other characters are so-so, especially Charlie. I'm still not diggin' her at all and every episode I hope she gets less and less screen time. :/ That's not a good thing to want from a central character.
But yes, the Captain is truly THE stand-out character.
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Of course he is. That actor is amazing.
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In the pilot the actor was able to sell the audience on the idea that this badass character really was just a mild-mannered insurance adjustor before the Blackout and he changed to adjust to the new world in order to protect his family.
The reason I still watch the show is because I like the idea of exploring how decent people have to take tough decisions in a survival situation and how it changes them. This is why I enjoy the characters of Neville and Miles but do not like Charlie or Danny.
My understanding of the last episode was that they finally figured out that Charlie's sole use on the show was that she's attractive, so they got her naked, only to have the blatant fan-service-fueled ratings grab cut short by, of all things, a massive power shortage.
Anyone have thoughts on the rest of the episode? Did it actually make any sense this time?
The problem with the show is that supposed to be a family show, but it deals with a subject matter that isn't particularly family oriented(conceptually it is too deep for children or even young teenagers to appreciate). Considering the time slot they gave it, they should have just made a real show out of it.
I am going to guess you dont camp/hunt/spend time outdoors much. The lack of electricity and running water are minor inconvenience's in survival.
I have camped for months at a time, its really not that hard to heat up that cold water to wash. We never had a problem with stinking because we found ways to wash. They are not in the mountains, or hiking, they are in towns and villages.
They just started to get into the no electricity thing.
This. Hiking for a week makes you look like crap. We're talking fifteen years.
Huge difference in a week long hike and living that way for 15 years. Like I have said, go camping for a month and see how it turns out. Its really not that hard to be clean and look like those on the show.
Electricity and running water is relatively new in the human day to day life. Its a wonder our forefathers could get by without it.
Yes, because the effects accumulate.
Were you actively conditioning your hair, blow-drying your hair, styling your hair, and shaving your legs during that month of camping? Did you bring an iron to make sure your clothes were nice and wrinkle-free? What is it you think "camping" means?
Also, note that blow-driers don't work in this world. Nor do electric irons.
This is a point you don't seem to understand, and many others seem out of touch on also: People in the past did not have the same conventions of cleanliness we do.
Our conception of cleanliness and our habit of daily bathing comes out of:
1. An understanding of hygiene
2. Regular access to running water
3. Regular access to hygienic water
4. Industrialization and urbanization
5. Abundant amounts of perfume available in an incredible range of products
6. The cultural perception that how clean and nice-smelling a person is indicates social status
7. The prevalence of others who bathe daily to establish a trend
This didn't exist in colonial times. In fact, number six only really started in the Victorian era. In Elizabethan times, nobles would rarely bathe more frequently than every few weeks, and commoners a few times a year. Not to mention how it wouldn't make sense for people in an agrarian society who would regularly shovel mud/hay/feces, have no working toilets, and who ride horses would be overly concerned about their appearance and smell.
So once again, how and why in the post-apocalyptic world does an impoverished, subsistance-farming community with no running water come out to be so clean? Even if they could do so, they would have no reason to.
But what you fail to realize is once you grow accustom to a certain life style, you will try and replicate it even without all of the bells and whistles. Everything we have now grew out of something else. The way we do things today isnt the only way to accomplish something.
A certain lifestyle that is reliant upon power and computers and industrialization, none of which exist.
You don't seem to understand the time span, bocephus. The electicity has been out for fifteen years. That means people have adapted to life after power for fifteen years. That means several generations of people living longer without power than with.
Once again, there is no reason why a impoverished subsistence farming community in the middle of nowhere has people that look like they're out of a Calvin Klein catalog. It doesn't work.