So UFC 99 (WAYNE GRETZKY!!!...sorry I always do that when I see the number 99) tonight anyone with any picks or predictions.
Personally I am very excited about Wandi v Franklin especially seeing as though Anderson has been training with Franklin for this fight. I still see this fight most likely going to Wandi but if franklin can get through the first early onslaught of Wandi he might very well be able to pull out the victory.
Im also very excited to see Mirko back in the UFC again against a very tough Al Turk although this really should be his fight to loose IMO as long as he can find some of the spark he had when he was Kicking Heads all over the place in Pride.
Other than that the only fight that has really grabbed me as an exciting matchup is Fisher v Uno as Im a bit of a fan of Uno's but who knows there are often a really nice surprise or two somewhere in the UFC cards so here's to hoping...
I'm a little late so I'm gonna be quick and just let you guys take my word for it that I picked Marcus Davis before I watched the first round
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Edit 1 12:36PM: Not looking good for marcus davis at the end of the 3rd.
Edit 2 12:40PM: Classy Interview by Hardy. Split decision sadly in his favor. Lols at Davis walking away and telling him to **** himself with that handshake.
Last Edit 12:41pm: Gotta love Spencer Fisher's interviews.
Lmao. Arlovski's been exposed to having a weak chin, and still wants to stand and strike? Not only that, but he wants to go into boxing?? Lol wut? He needs to stick to Sambo in his MMA fights, because he's actually good at it.
I'm with teddy although..I don't think he wants any piece of Rampage, Suga Rashad, or Lyoto Machida. I think Boxing is a good fit for him. Bigger gloves and great coaches.
Oh, and Caol Uno got robbed. I scored it 29-28 Uno and it could have very well been a draw 10-9 fish than 10-10 and than 10-9 uno is fair scoring.
Edit 1: Just when I got on to say good whole Cro Cop saves my picks..the stupid eye poke. I hope someone doesn't turn that into a no contest
My picks totally sucked. I picked at lot of underdogs that I thought were wrongly underdogs(Kongo and Caol) and then went with physical stats with saunders. Davis got kinda robbed. Caol was ridiculously robbed.
I was high on Velasquez and I thought he would have killed Heath Herring but right now..I'm not sure now. I knew he could control of the fight on the ground. Everybody did. But he spent roughly 12 minutes on top of a man and couldn't knock him out. That's simply not gonna fly against ANY of the other 3 opponents. Kongo isn't ready for that kinda wrestling and is gonna need a few more fights(and a lot of training with Rampage at wolfslair) before he can go up against Brock/Carwin.
Hell yea. The first minute of that round was insane. For Guida to come back from that head kick was unreal, but seriously...anyone who even questions whether or not Diego won that fight is insane.
Really a great card overall. Burns/Lytle was good. Wilks dominated the **** out of Demarques.
Wow.
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Hell yea. The first minute of that round was insane. For Guida to come back from that head kick was unreal, but seriously...anyone who even questions whether or not Diego won that fight is insane.
Really a great card overall. Burns/Lytle was good. Wilks dominated the **** out of Demarques.
I must be insane then. Guida controlled both the 2nd and 3rd rounds. Even if you scored round 1 10-8 in favor of Diego (which is reasonable as Guida was completely dominated), you're still left with a draw, which IMO, is how the fight should have been called. Blood loss is not a legitimate criteria in determining a winner and loser.
I was very impressed with the card though. Wilks' dominant performance was shocking to say the least, Pearson v Winner was excellent, Burns v Lytle was a war, and anytime one of the Diaz brothers loses it puts a smile on my face.
First off, the first round is clearly 10-8. Guida mounted zero offense of his own while getting absolutely smashed having been hurt twice: if that isn't a 10-8 round, nothing is. It's not like the blood loss was caused by magically springing from his pours. He was getting thrashed.
Second, Guida did not control the second and third rounds except through takedowns (why there's so much emphasis on these I'll never understand). He was having to defend submissions as much as strikes: this fight wouldn't even be controversial under more liberal systems (like many of the asian orgs criteria), and even the ten point must system yeilds the proper result. Hell Guida didn't even score a takedown at the point: Sanchez went for a sub attempt (initially a RNC), and then transitioned into an arm tringle which was actually locked for a brief moment.
I had it:
Round 1 10-8 Sanchez
Round 2 10-10
Round 3 10-9 Sanchez
I'd like to hear what Guida actively did to win the fight in people's eyes. Takedowns should be emphasized if there are attempt to capitalize present: all I saw was Guida hold on for dear life.
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First off, the first round is clearly 10-8. Guida mounted zero offense of his own while getting absolutely smashed having been hurt twice: if that isn't a 10-8 round, nothing is. It's not like the blood loss was caused by magically springing from his pours. He was getting thrashed.
I had it 10-8 but only one of the three judges scored it as such. Each round is it's own entity. You can't allow a lopsided first round to define the rest of the fight.
Second, Guida did not control the second and third rounds except through takedowns (why there's so much emphasis on these I'll never understand). He was having to defend submissions as much as strikes: this fight wouldn't even be controversial under more liberal systems (like many of the asian orgs criteria), and even the ten point must system yeilds the proper result. Hell Guida didn't even score a takedown at the point: Sanchez went for a sub attempt (initially a RNC), and then transitioned into an arm tringle which was actually locked for a brief moment.
I had it:
Round 1 10-8 Sanchez
Round 2 10-10
Round 3 10-9 Sanchez
I'd like to hear what Guida actively did to win the fight in people's eyes. Takedowns should be emphasized if there are attempt to capitalize present: all I saw was Guida hold on for dear life.
Because it's MIXED martial arts, that's why. Yes, Sanchez was trying for submissions but Guida was never in jeopardy of getting caught in the 2nd round . There is no "except through". It doesn't matter how it happened, Guida imposed his will on Diego. He held him down and initiated the ground and pound. He had Diego on the ground for 4+ minutes and all Diego could muster (aside from a few good elbows thrown from the bottom) were defensive Kimora attempts and holding Guida to keep from getting beat on. In the 3rd Guida got the better of the stand up exchange the first 3 minutes of the round. Then Diego went for a RNC that lasted all of 5 seconds because Guida managed to get top position. Then it was another defensive Kimora attempt. Even the announcers commented at one point that the fight was close enough to be ruled a draw. It was a very close fight and regardless of which way you scored the fight, to tell others they're insane for disagreeing with your own assessment is well, ridiculous.
I had it 10-8 but only one of the three judges scored it as such. Each round is it's own entity. You can't allow a lopsided first round to define the rest of the fight.
Of course you can and here's why: Guida got the ever-loving **** beat out of him in that opening salvo.
I don't think 10-8 rounds should be handed out liberally. This is not boxing after all: the rounds are long enough that one knockdown need not decide the course of the fight. But Guida was beat up, and could do nothing but hold on after the takedown where he would do nothing.
Because it's MIXED martial arts, that's why. Yes, Sanchez was trying for submissions but Guida was never in jeopardy of getting caught in the 2nd round . There is no "except through". It doesn't matter how it happened, Guida imposed his will on Diego. He held him down and initiated the ground and pound. He had Diego on the ground for 4+ minutes and all Diego could muster (aside from a few good elbows thrown from the bottom) were defensive Kimora attempts and holding Guida to keep from getting beat on. In the 3rd Guida got the better of the stand up exchange the first 3 minutes of the round. Then Diego went for a RNC that lasted all of 5 seconds because Guida managed to get top position. Then it was another defensive Kimora attempt. Even the announcers commented at one point that the fight was close enough to be ruled a draw. It was a very close fight and regardless of which way you scored the fight, to tell others they're insane for disagreeing with your own assessment is well, ridiculous.
I think what's so irritating to me is the idea that Sanchez could have lost a fight in which his opponent got beat up badly in the first, and responded the rest of the fight with takedowns. Which is weird to say "but this is mixed martial arts" when Guida had nothing BUT takedowns. His ground and pound was incredibly limited, and did virtually nothing to Sanchez in that respect.
I stand by my assessment not because it's personal (oh you idiots for not seeing it my way!), but because this fight reveals a defeciency in the 10 point must system: specifically the 10 point must in the case of rounds that should be scored draws. Uno/Fisher is a good example of why 10-10 rounds should be scored more. So to me, it's frustrating to see this ignored: would anyone really complain if the judges scored rounds 2 and 3 a draw? Probably not, as it was clear who did the majority of the damage, and really, who the better fighter was.
I don't ***** about wrestling, and I'm anything but liberal in using the term "lay and pray" (because it's rarely applicable), but Guida nearly won that fight on two to three takedowns. Otherwise he had no effective ground and pound, and the minor control he gained in the fight was offset by the absolute trashing he took in the first along with the fact that Diego continued to threaten even off his back, both with strikes as well as submissions. And that kimura/RNC in the 3rd was anything but defensive posturing: the arm triangle was nearly locked (you can see Guida grimace while his mouth piece sticks out), and he had good torque on Guida's arm with that kimura. So it's not like he was simply positioning for submissions.
It was a close fight, but not necessaily a competitive one IMO (as in, there was no question in my mind who the better fighter was).
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I think the problem here is you're using the criteria YOU feel should determine a winner as opposed the what the actual rules (as good or bad as they may be) say should determine the fight. I don't necessarily disagree with your concern for the way things are scored, but the rules as they currently stand are the rules and as such I had to give Guida rounds 2 & 3. Diego is the better fighter and he did more damage overall, but 90% came in one round. 10-8 Sanchez, 10-9 Guida, 10-9 Guida is just how I saw the fight.
I think the problem here is you're using the criteria YOU feel should determine a winner as opposed the what the actual rules (as good or bad as they may be) say should determine the fight.
Not necessarily. Part of the criteria in every scoring system is damage dealt. Not sure if you're big into fightmetric stats, but it tells the same tale. Sure in Japan it would have been unanimous thanks to the "effort to finish" criteria (Japanese criteria is not without its faults either: this rule can be horrendously subjective at times), but even under the rules of the athletic commission, Sanchez did not lose that fight (even if you were to argue he didn't win it).
And again it goes back to the problem not even with the 10 point must system, but the problem with judging specifically (which unfortunately is here to stay).
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Not necessarily. Part of the criteria in every scoring system is damage dealt. Not sure if you're big into fightmetric stats, but it tells the same tale. Sure in Japan it would have been unanimous thanks to the "effort to finish" criteria (Japanese criteria is not without its faults either: this rule can be horrendously subjective at times), but even under the rules of the athletic commission, Sanchez did not lose that fight (even if you were to argue he didn't win it).
And again it goes back to the problem not even with the 10 point must system, but the problem with judging specifically (which unfortunately is here to stay).
E. Judging Criteria
1. Judges are required to determine the winner of a bout that goes to it's full time limit based upon the following criteria:
-Clean Strikes
-Effective Grappling
-Octagon Control
-Effective Aggressiveness
F. Clean Strikes
1. The fighter who is landing both effective and efficient clean strikes.
2. There are two ways of measuring strikes:
-the total number of clean strikes landed (more efficient)
-the total number of heavy strikes landed (more effective)
G. The heavier striker who lands with efficiency, deserves more credit from the Judges than total number landed.
1. If the striking power between the fighters was equal, then the total number landed would be used as the criteria.
2. The total number of strikes landed, should be of sufficient quantity favoring a fighter, to earn a winning round.
H. Strikes thrown from the top position of the guard, are generally heavier and more effective than those thrown from the back.
1. Thus a Judge shall recognize that effective strikes thrown from the top guard position are of "higher quality", than thrown from the bottom.
2. The Judge shall recognize that this is not always the case.
However, the vast majority of fighters prefer the top guard position to strike from. This is a strong indication of positional dominance for striking.
I. Effective Grappling
1. The Judge shall recognize the value of both the clean takedown and active guard position.
2. The Judge shall recognize that a fighter who is able to cleanly takedown his opponent, is effectively grappling.
3. A Judge shall recognize that a fighter on his back in an active guard position, can effectively grapple, through execution of repeated threatening attempts at submission and reversal resulting in continuous defense from the top fighter.
4. A Judge shall recognize that a fighter who maneuvers from guard to mount is effectively grappling.
5. A Judge shall recognize that the guard position alone shall be scored neutral or even, if none of the preceding situations were met.(items 2-4)
6. A Judge shall recognize that if the fighters remain in guard the majority of a round with neither fighter having an edge in clean striking or effective grappling, (items 2-4), the fighter who scored the clean takedown deserves the round.
7. A clean reversal is equal to a clean takedown in effective grappling
J. Octagon Control
1. The fighter who is dictating the pace, place and position of the fight. 2. A striker who fends off a grappler's takedown attempt to remain standing and effectively strike is octagon control.
3. A grappler who can takedown an effective standing striker to ground fight is octagon control.
4. The fighter on the ground who creates submission, mount or clean striking opportunities
K. Effective Aggressiveness
1. This simply means who is moving forward and finding success.(scoring)
2. Throwing a strike moving backwards is not as effective as a strike thrown moving forward.
3. Throwing strikes and not landing is not effective aggressiveness.
4. Moving forward and getting struck is not effective aggressiveness.
5. Shooting takedowns and getting countered and fended off is not effective aggressiveness.
L. Criteria Evaluation
1. Each judge is to evaluate which fighter was most effective. Thus striking and grappling skills are top priority.
2. Evaluating the criteria requires the use of a sliding scale. Fights can remain standing or grounded. Judges shall recognize that it isn't how long the fighters are standing or grounded, as to the scoring the fighters achieve ,while in those positions.
3. If 90% of the round is grounded one fighter on top, then:
-effective grappling is weighed first.
-clean striking is weighed next. If clean strikes scored in the round, the Judge shall factor it
in. Clean Striking can outweigh Effective Grappling while the fighters are grounded.
-octagon control is next (pace, place & position)
4. The same rational holds true if 90% of the round were standing. Thus:
-clean striking would be weighed first (fighter most effective)
-clean grappling second (any takedowns or effective clinching)
-octagon control which fighter maintained better position? Which fighter created the situations
that led to effective strikes?
5. If a round was 50% standing and 50% on the ground, then:
-clean striking and effective grappling are weighed more equally.
-octagon control would be factored next
6. In all three hypothetical situations, effective aggressiveness is factored in last. It is the
criteria of least importance. Since the definition calls for moving forward and scoring, it is
imperative for the Judges to look at the scoring first.
7. Thus for all Judges scoring UFC fights, the prioritized order of evaluating criteria is:
-clean strikes and effective grappling are weighed first.
-octagon control
-effective aggressiveness
M. Domination Criteria
1. A Judge may determine that a fighter dominated his opponent in a round. This can lead to a two point or more difference on a Judge's scorecard.
2. The definition of a dominating round is a fighter's ability to effectively strike, grapple and
control his opponent.
3. A Judge may determine a round was dominating if a fighter was adversely affected by one of the following:
-knocked down from standing position by clean strike
-by submission attempt
-from a throw
-from clean strikes either standing or grounded.
Good **** seeing that pulled off in a fight. Apparently JZ/Alvarez is off: Bellator commitments (proving that exclusive contracts are not just exclusive to Zuffa: not that Eddie has signed one, but if Bellator gets bigger, which they are, these are the typs of contracts they will seek: it might suck for us, but it's good business).
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I agree. I dislike the judging in MMA due to Top position having far too much emphasis.
Sanchez won the fight 29-27 but only because of the Kimura submission attempts where guida was stopped and not being able to throw punchs. Basically I saw the fight 10-8 Sanchez, 10-9 Guida, 10-9 Sanchez.
Personally I dont see how you even score the middle round for Guida as he did nothing at all with the top position he got. He just laid on top of Sanchez while Diego threw some vicious elbows from the bottom position and kept his hips moving all the time. Guida never really went for a guard pass even he just laid there like a blanket, it was one of the worst(or best depending on your point of view) examples of borring LnP that I have ever seen. Personally after his last few performances with this one being the topper I really hope I never have to sit through another Guida fight in the UFC as this guy brings nothing I am interested in to the table as it were.
Onto the future. We have Rampage and Rashad coaching the next season of TUF. This could be the best season yet with both coaches willing to get in eachothers face and make people want to see them fight. Also with Kmbo Slice confirmed to be on the show next season everyone gets to see how bad he is. My only concern was after Rampage lost to Forest he said he didn't want to wait such a long time between fights. Anyway i'm excited!
Personally I dont see how you even score the middle round for Guida as he did nothing at all with the top position he got. He just laid on top of Sanchez while Diego threw some vicious elbows from the bottom position and kept his hips moving all the time. Guida never really went for a guard pass even he just laid there like a blanket, it was one of the worst(or best depending on your point of view) examples of borring LnP that I have ever seen. Personally after his last few performances with this one being the topper I really hope I never have to sit through another Guida fight in the UFC as this guy brings nothing I am interested in to the table as it were.
Guida was hitting him...Clearly delivering pain back. Diego's elbows were just way cooler and more effective.
Onto the future. We have Rampage and Rashad coaching the next season of TUF. This could be the best season yet with both coaches willing to get in eachothers face and make people want to see them fight. Also with Kmbo Slice confirmed to be on the show next season everyone gets to see how bad he is. My only concern was after Rampage lost to Forest he said he didn't want to wait such a long time between fights. Anyway i'm excited!
Why does TUF have to be the only thing in the Future? I sick of Kimbo. Rumor has it that Kimbo gets KOed in the 1st round of his first fight and throws a temper tantrum and leaves the house. I would love for this to be the case. A man throwing away being able to be trained by a good fighter will definently be something that causes Dana to ignore him for the rest of his life. And he won't even fight the Finale...Yay!.
Anyway. T-minus 10ish days until UFC 100. I'm excited. Can we get some early predictions?
I'd say:
Bisping over Henderson, if only because of the youth advantage;
GSP over Thiago, though I'm a bit fearful that he's gonna get Matt Serra'd again, if you know what I mean Thiago has some scary Muai Thai.
For the Heavyweight Title fight, I'm gonna be rooting for Mir, hoping that he'll be able to take it to the ground early. I think he has the edge there over Brock, despite him being a top-level collegiate wrestler.
I don't know much about the undercard fights, but Jon Jones is fighting if I remember correctly, hope they televise his fight.
Mir is gonna get destroyed, he got lucky catching a very green Lesnar in a heel hook last time they met but there is no way with his training ethic that Lesnar will surcumb to the same fate this time.
GSP is gonna take this one too mostly because there is no way he is gonna risk standing with Thaigo and who could blame him. This one will be on the mat in the first few seconds of the fight with GSP delivering some of his patented GnP.
I also see Bisbing loosing as up to this point in his career he has been a very pampered fighter who has had some close decisions go his way (I still say there is no way he should have a victory over Matt Hamill) Bisbing simply has never once faced a fighter the caliber of Hendo, wheras Hendo has fought a veritable whos who of the fighting world.
While on the topic of MMA did anyone happen to see either the total shelacking Big Timmo got at the hands of Ray Mercer, that made me LOL.
Also did anyone here catch Ultimate Chaos? It was cool to see "T-Shirt Guy" actually able to hold his own in the cage, I would absloutely love to see him against Dana White. Also Gilbert Yvel is a freekin Beast that was a scary KO he got over Rizzo and finally who would have thunk it Bob Sapp showing no heart or skill whatsoever...it amazes me that he still can get MMA bookings, I guess some will always pay to see the freakshow.
Why does TUF have to be the only thing in the Future? I sick of Kimbo. Rumor has it that Kimbo gets KOed in the 1st round of his first fight and throws a temper tantrum and leaves the house. I would love for this to be the case. A man throwing away being able to be trained by a good fighter will definently be something that causes Dana to ignore him for the rest of his life. And he won't even fight the Finale...Yay!.
Anyway. T-minus 10ish days until UFC 100. I'm excited. Can we get some early predictions?
Its not the only thing on the future, but I'm also looking forward to Kimbo showing just how much of a joke he is.
UFC 100 looks to be awesome. I know i'm gonna either win big or lose big on all my Lesnar bets. I want him to destroy Mir. I also want Hendo to hurt Bisbing. He just looks so mediocre most of the time and I can't stand that they gave him the win over Hammil. GSP all the way!
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Personally I am very excited about Wandi v Franklin especially seeing as though Anderson has been training with Franklin for this fight. I still see this fight most likely going to Wandi but if franklin can get through the first early onslaught of Wandi he might very well be able to pull out the victory.
Im also very excited to see Mirko back in the UFC again against a very tough Al Turk although this really should be his fight to loose IMO as long as he can find some of the spark he had when he was Kicking Heads all over the place in Pride.
Other than that the only fight that has really grabbed me as an exciting matchup is Fisher v Uno as Im a bit of a fan of Uno's but who knows there are often a really nice surprise or two somewhere in the UFC cards so here's to hoping...
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Edit 1 12:36PM: Not looking good for marcus davis at the end of the 3rd.
Edit 2 12:40PM: Classy Interview by Hardy. Split decision sadly in his favor. Lols at Davis walking away and telling him to **** himself with that handshake.
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I'm with teddy although..I don't think he wants any piece of Rampage, Suga Rashad, or Lyoto Machida. I think Boxing is a good fit for him. Bigger gloves and great coaches.
Oh, and Caol Uno got robbed. I scored it 29-28 Uno and it could have very well been a draw 10-9 fish than 10-10 and than 10-9 uno is fair scoring.
Uno definitely got robbed.
"We can stand back up *****"
Wow, Saunders fight was stopped a little early.
Edit 1: Just when I got on to say good whole Cro Cop saves my picks..the stupid eye poke. I hope someone doesn't turn that into a no contest
My picks totally sucked. I picked at lot of underdogs that I thought were wrongly underdogs(Kongo and Caol) and then went with physical stats with saunders. Davis got kinda robbed. Caol was ridiculously robbed.
I was high on Velasquez and I thought he would have killed Heath Herring but right now..I'm not sure now. I knew he could control of the fight on the ground. Everybody did. But he spent roughly 12 minutes on top of a man and couldn't knock him out. That's simply not gonna fly against ANY of the other 3 opponents. Kongo isn't ready for that kinda wrestling and is gonna need a few more fights(and a lot of training with Rampage at wolfslair) before he can go up against Brock/Carwin.
Did anyone watch the Sanchez-Guida fight?
Really a great card overall. Burns/Lytle was good. Wilks dominated the **** out of Demarques.
Wow.
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I must be insane then. Guida controlled both the 2nd and 3rd rounds. Even if you scored round 1 10-8 in favor of Diego (which is reasonable as Guida was completely dominated), you're still left with a draw, which IMO, is how the fight should have been called. Blood loss is not a legitimate criteria in determining a winner and loser.
I was very impressed with the card though. Wilks' dominant performance was shocking to say the least, Pearson v Winner was excellent, Burns v Lytle was a war, and anytime one of the Diaz brothers loses it puts a smile on my face.
First off, the first round is clearly 10-8. Guida mounted zero offense of his own while getting absolutely smashed having been hurt twice: if that isn't a 10-8 round, nothing is. It's not like the blood loss was caused by magically springing from his pours. He was getting thrashed.
Second, Guida did not control the second and third rounds except through takedowns (why there's so much emphasis on these I'll never understand). He was having to defend submissions as much as strikes: this fight wouldn't even be controversial under more liberal systems (like many of the asian orgs criteria), and even the ten point must system yeilds the proper result. Hell Guida didn't even score a takedown at the point: Sanchez went for a sub attempt (initially a RNC), and then transitioned into an arm tringle which was actually locked for a brief moment.
I had it:
Round 1 10-8 Sanchez
Round 2 10-10
Round 3 10-9 Sanchez
I'd like to hear what Guida actively did to win the fight in people's eyes. Takedowns should be emphasized if there are attempt to capitalize present: all I saw was Guida hold on for dear life.
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Because it's MIXED martial arts, that's why. Yes, Sanchez was trying for submissions but Guida was never in jeopardy of getting caught in the 2nd round . There is no "except through". It doesn't matter how it happened, Guida imposed his will on Diego. He held him down and initiated the ground and pound. He had Diego on the ground for 4+ minutes and all Diego could muster (aside from a few good elbows thrown from the bottom) were defensive Kimora attempts and holding Guida to keep from getting beat on. In the 3rd Guida got the better of the stand up exchange the first 3 minutes of the round. Then Diego went for a RNC that lasted all of 5 seconds because Guida managed to get top position. Then it was another defensive Kimora attempt. Even the announcers commented at one point that the fight was close enough to be ruled a draw. It was a very close fight and regardless of which way you scored the fight, to tell others they're insane for disagreeing with your own assessment is well, ridiculous.
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Of course you can and here's why: Guida got the ever-loving **** beat out of him in that opening salvo.
I don't think 10-8 rounds should be handed out liberally. This is not boxing after all: the rounds are long enough that one knockdown need not decide the course of the fight. But Guida was beat up, and could do nothing but hold on after the takedown where he would do nothing.
I think what's so irritating to me is the idea that Sanchez could have lost a fight in which his opponent got beat up badly in the first, and responded the rest of the fight with takedowns. Which is weird to say "but this is mixed martial arts" when Guida had nothing BUT takedowns. His ground and pound was incredibly limited, and did virtually nothing to Sanchez in that respect.
I stand by my assessment not because it's personal (oh you idiots for not seeing it my way!), but because this fight reveals a defeciency in the 10 point must system: specifically the 10 point must in the case of rounds that should be scored draws. Uno/Fisher is a good example of why 10-10 rounds should be scored more. So to me, it's frustrating to see this ignored: would anyone really complain if the judges scored rounds 2 and 3 a draw? Probably not, as it was clear who did the majority of the damage, and really, who the better fighter was.
I don't ***** about wrestling, and I'm anything but liberal in using the term "lay and pray" (because it's rarely applicable), but Guida nearly won that fight on two to three takedowns. Otherwise he had no effective ground and pound, and the minor control he gained in the fight was offset by the absolute trashing he took in the first along with the fact that Diego continued to threaten even off his back, both with strikes as well as submissions. And that kimura/RNC in the 3rd was anything but defensive posturing: the arm triangle was nearly locked (you can see Guida grimace while his mouth piece sticks out), and he had good torque on Guida's arm with that kimura. So it's not like he was simply positioning for submissions.
It was a close fight, but not necessaily a competitive one IMO (as in, there was no question in my mind who the better fighter was).
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Not necessarily. Part of the criteria in every scoring system is damage dealt. Not sure if you're big into fightmetric stats, but it tells the same tale. Sure in Japan it would have been unanimous thanks to the "effort to finish" criteria (Japanese criteria is not without its faults either: this rule can be horrendously subjective at times), but even under the rules of the athletic commission, Sanchez did not lose that fight (even if you were to argue he didn't win it).
And again it goes back to the problem not even with the 10 point must system, but the problem with judging specifically (which unfortunately is here to stay).
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E. Judging Criteria
1. Judges are required to determine the winner of a bout that goes to it's full time limit based upon the following criteria:
-Clean Strikes
-Effective Grappling
-Octagon Control
-Effective Aggressiveness
F. Clean Strikes
1. The fighter who is landing both effective and efficient clean strikes.
2. There are two ways of measuring strikes:
-the total number of clean strikes landed (more efficient)
-the total number of heavy strikes landed (more effective)
G. The heavier striker who lands with efficiency, deserves more credit from the Judges than total number landed.
1. If the striking power between the fighters was equal, then the total number landed would be used as the criteria.
2. The total number of strikes landed, should be of sufficient quantity favoring a fighter, to earn a winning round.
H. Strikes thrown from the top position of the guard, are generally heavier and more effective than those thrown from the back.
1. Thus a Judge shall recognize that effective strikes thrown from the top guard position are of "higher quality", than thrown from the bottom.
2. The Judge shall recognize that this is not always the case.
However, the vast majority of fighters prefer the top guard position to strike from. This is a strong indication of positional dominance for striking.
I. Effective Grappling
1. The Judge shall recognize the value of both the clean takedown and active guard position.
2. The Judge shall recognize that a fighter who is able to cleanly takedown his opponent, is effectively grappling.
3. A Judge shall recognize that a fighter on his back in an active guard position, can effectively grapple, through execution of repeated threatening attempts at submission and reversal resulting in continuous defense from the top fighter.
4. A Judge shall recognize that a fighter who maneuvers from guard to mount is effectively grappling.
5. A Judge shall recognize that the guard position alone shall be scored neutral or even, if none of the preceding situations were met.(items 2-4)
6. A Judge shall recognize that if the fighters remain in guard the majority of a round with neither fighter having an edge in clean striking or effective grappling, (items 2-4), the fighter who scored the clean takedown deserves the round.
7. A clean reversal is equal to a clean takedown in effective grappling
J. Octagon Control
1. The fighter who is dictating the pace, place and position of the fight.
2. A striker who fends off a grappler's takedown attempt to remain standing and effectively strike is octagon control.
3. A grappler who can takedown an effective standing striker to ground fight is octagon control.
4. The fighter on the ground who creates submission, mount or clean striking opportunities
K. Effective Aggressiveness
1. This simply means who is moving forward and finding success.(scoring)
2. Throwing a strike moving backwards is not as effective as a strike thrown moving forward.
3. Throwing strikes and not landing is not effective aggressiveness.
4. Moving forward and getting struck is not effective aggressiveness.
5. Shooting takedowns and getting countered and fended off is not effective aggressiveness.
L. Criteria Evaluation
1. Each judge is to evaluate which fighter was most effective. Thus striking and grappling skills are top priority.
2. Evaluating the criteria requires the use of a sliding scale. Fights can remain standing or grounded. Judges shall recognize that it isn't how long the fighters are standing or grounded, as to the scoring the fighters achieve ,while in those positions.
3. If 90% of the round is grounded one fighter on top, then:
-effective grappling is weighed first.
-clean striking is weighed next. If clean strikes scored in the round, the Judge shall factor it
in. Clean Striking can outweigh Effective Grappling while the fighters are grounded.
-octagon control is next (pace, place & position)
4. The same rational holds true if 90% of the round were standing. Thus:
-clean striking would be weighed first (fighter most effective)
-clean grappling second (any takedowns or effective clinching)
-octagon control which fighter maintained better position? Which fighter created the situations
that led to effective strikes?
5. If a round was 50% standing and 50% on the ground, then:
-clean striking and effective grappling are weighed more equally.
-octagon control would be factored next
6. In all three hypothetical situations, effective aggressiveness is factored in last. It is the
criteria of least importance. Since the definition calls for moving forward and scoring, it is
imperative for the Judges to look at the scoring first.
7. Thus for all Judges scoring UFC fights, the prioritized order of evaluating criteria is:
-clean strikes and effective grappling are weighed first.
-octagon control
-effective aggressiveness
M. Domination Criteria
1. A Judge may determine that a fighter dominated his opponent in a round. This can lead to a two point or more difference on a Judge's scorecard.
2. The definition of a dominating round is a fighter's ability to effectively strike, grapple and
control his opponent.
3. A Judge may determine a round was dominating if a fighter was adversely affected by one of the following:
-knocked down from standing position by clean strike
-by submission attempt
-from a throw
-from clean strikes either standing or grounded.
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And look: a spladle!
Good **** seeing that pulled off in a fight. Apparently JZ/Alvarez is off: Bellator commitments (proving that exclusive contracts are not just exclusive to Zuffa: not that Eddie has signed one, but if Bellator gets bigger, which they are, these are the typs of contracts they will seek: it might suck for us, but it's good business).
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Sanchez won the fight 29-27 but only because of the Kimura submission attempts where guida was stopped and not being able to throw punchs. Basically I saw the fight 10-8 Sanchez, 10-9 Guida, 10-9 Sanchez.
Joe stevenson was sick..Nuff said.
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Guida was hitting him...Clearly delivering pain back. Diego's elbows were just way cooler and more effective.
Why does TUF have to be the only thing in the Future? I sick of Kimbo. Rumor has it that Kimbo gets KOed in the 1st round of his first fight and throws a temper tantrum and leaves the house. I would love for this to be the case. A man throwing away being able to be trained by a good fighter will definently be something that causes Dana to ignore him for the rest of his life. And he won't even fight the Finale...Yay!.
Anyway. T-minus 10ish days until UFC 100. I'm excited. Can we get some early predictions?
Bisping over Henderson, if only because of the youth advantage;
GSP over Thiago, though I'm a bit fearful that he's gonna get Matt Serra'd again, if you know what I mean Thiago has some scary Muai Thai.
For the Heavyweight Title fight, I'm gonna be rooting for Mir, hoping that he'll be able to take it to the ground early. I think he has the edge there over Brock, despite him being a top-level collegiate wrestler.
I don't know much about the undercard fights, but Jon Jones is fighting if I remember correctly, hope they televise his fight.
GSP is gonna take this one too mostly because there is no way he is gonna risk standing with Thaigo and who could blame him. This one will be on the mat in the first few seconds of the fight with GSP delivering some of his patented GnP.
I also see Bisbing loosing as up to this point in his career he has been a very pampered fighter who has had some close decisions go his way (I still say there is no way he should have a victory over Matt Hamill) Bisbing simply has never once faced a fighter the caliber of Hendo, wheras Hendo has fought a veritable whos who of the fighting world.
While on the topic of MMA did anyone happen to see either the total shelacking Big Timmo got at the hands of Ray Mercer, that made me LOL.
Also did anyone here catch Ultimate Chaos? It was cool to see "T-Shirt Guy" actually able to hold his own in the cage, I would absloutely love to see him against Dana White. Also Gilbert Yvel is a freekin Beast that was a scary KO he got over Rizzo and finally who would have thunk it Bob Sapp showing no heart or skill whatsoever...it amazes me that he still can get MMA bookings, I guess some will always pay to see the freakshow.
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Its not the only thing on the future, but I'm also looking forward to Kimbo showing just how much of a joke he is.
UFC 100 looks to be awesome. I know i'm gonna either win big or lose big on all my Lesnar bets. I want him to destroy Mir. I also want Hendo to hurt Bisbing. He just looks so mediocre most of the time and I can't stand that they gave him the win over Hammil. GSP all the way!
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