Is there any decent source to watch the recorded events online? I'm having issue finding videos not buried in sports news and not some inspirational story or about the athlete's diet.
Rūta Meilutytė wins gold at 100m breaststroke swimming!! So excited and happy for her.
Simply amazing
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The rule was changed to this because in the past all around came down to a battle between the girls of certain countries.
So?
If the gymnasts are better, then they should go on over worse gymnasts. If that means certain countries are just better, then either suck it up and train better or deal with it.
I don't mean to sound like I'm aiming this at you, bocephus, because you didn't make the rule (or did you...), but it's complete bull**** to cheat Wieber out of a position she rightfully deserves for no good reason.
If the gymnasts are better, then they should go on over worse gymnasts. If that means certain countries are just better, then either suck it up and train better or deal with it.
I don't mean to sound like I'm aiming this at you, bocephus, because you didn't make the rule (or did you...), but it's complete bull**** to cheat Wieber out of a position she rightfully deserves for no good reason.
No I didnt make the rule, and it was controversial when it was changed. The rules committee felt limiting the number for each country would increase participation.
It was great when America or any country, when they had 3-4 girls competing for the all-around, not so much for that girl who was 25th and multiple countries had 3 or more girls competing.
I am not for or against the rule. Everyone knew the parameters going in. Its not like the committee made this change after everyone got there.
Just read this post on another forum I frequent about the Olympics:
"I did not want to post this in the feel good thread because I want it to be a feel good thread.. Not a debate thread.
I did not watch the Opening Ceremony.
I am actually quite disturbed by the Olympics and what it has become and have decided not to view it in protest.
The powers that the Olympics demand from governments is staggering and gets worse every time.
For example. If you live near any of the events and you display something not approved in your window, such as a burger king or mastercard logo. (Visa and Mcdonalds are sponsors) They have the right to send the police to your house, kick down the door, and remove the offending items.
If you are a bar and you put up a sign to invite people to come and watch the Olympic games on your TV's.. You will be forced to remove it and possibly be fined.
If you are at the games and you snap a photo and post it on facebook or upload a little video to Youtube.. It will be removed and you could be sued.
You can not use without permission the words:
Olympics, Games, Two Thousand and Twelve, 2012, Twenty-Twelve
In conjunction with:
London, medals, sponsors, summer, gold, silver or bronze.
Or you could be sued.
Someone was already threatened for saying "Great Exhibition 2012"
All ATM's in the area that accept anything that is not VISA has been ripped out.
No vendors are allowed to accept anything that is not VISA.
In fact, people buying tickets were not allowed to pay with anything that was not VISA.
If an Athlete tweets about the games, they could be banned.
If an athlete posts on facebook about consuming any product that is not an official sponsor.. they can be banned.
In fact... You are not even allowed to link to the Olympics website unless the text accompanying it is positive. Doing so with negative text can get you sued."
I'd love to hear from anyone here that may be over in London right now, or anybody that knows the rules and regulations of the Olympic Committee to tell me if this is false, or true. Especially the ATM part.
But the tweeting stuff is limited to promoting products at the Olympics during the olympics (and 3 days afterward).
Yeah, you're right... That is kind of bogus, especially for the poorer athletes with smaller sponsorship dollars. Then again, you don't want the athletes looking like NASCAR cars either.
Did you see the end of the men's gymnastics competition?
Brits put on a big performance, the crowd went absolutely ape****, at which point, the "Japanese superman" basically ended his pommel horse routine by almost just falling off the horse and not doing his handstand and dismount properly. Totally distracted. The judges gave him a -0.7 just for failing to handstand before he left the horse.
Brits get silver. Then Japanese bring over a wad of cash to the judges (sounds terrible, but i guess you have to PAY money if you want to protest, you get it back if they overturn in your favor) and judges overturn decision! Japanese won silver, Brits drop to bronze.
Now if I'm a little kid and see that whole scene play out, it looks like the Japanese bribing the judges. Kind of hilarious scene actually.
Just read this post on another forum I frequent about the Olympics:
"I did not want to post this in the feel good thread because I want it to be a feel good thread.. Not a debate thread.
I did not watch the Opening Ceremony.
I am actually quite disturbed by the Olympics and what it has become and have decided not to view it in protest.
The powers that the Olympics demand from governments is staggering and gets worse every time.
For example. If you live near any of the events and you display something not approved in your window, such as a burger king or mastercard logo. (Visa and Mcdonalds are sponsors) They have the right to send the police to your house, kick down the door, and remove the offending items.
If you are a bar and you put up a sign to invite people to come and watch the Olympic games on your TV's.. You will be forced to remove it and possibly be fined.
If you are at the games and you snap a photo and post it on facebook or upload a little video to Youtube.. It will be removed and you could be sued.
You can not use without permission the words:
Olympics, Games, Two Thousand and Twelve, 2012, Twenty-Twelve
In conjunction with:
London, medals, sponsors, summer, gold, silver or bronze.
Or you could be sued.
Someone was already threatened for saying "Great Exhibition 2012"
All ATM's in the area that accept anything that is not VISA has been ripped out.
No vendors are allowed to accept anything that is not VISA.
In fact, people buying tickets were not allowed to pay with anything that was not VISA.
If an Athlete tweets about the games, they could be banned.
If an athlete posts on facebook about consuming any product that is not an official sponsor.. they can be banned.
In fact... You are not even allowed to link to the Olympics website unless the text accompanying it is positive. Doing so with negative text can get you sued."
I'd love to hear from anyone here that may be over in London right now, or anybody that knows the rules and regulations of the Olympic Committee to tell me if this is false, or true. Especially the ATM part.
I have a friend that swam back in high school and she has gone to the past 5 or 6 Olympics to watch the swimming and a few other events (but mainly swimming). She had her picture taken in front of the swimming venue holding her tickets for the event and posted it on facebook. Some how the organizers found out and took away her tickets to all of the events she was going to go to.
It is sad the power of the Olympics and those that run them.
No I didnt make the rule, and it was controversial when it was changed. The rules committee felt limiting the number for each country would increase participation.
It was great when America or any country, when they had 3-4 girls competing for the all-around, not so much for that girl who was 25th and multiple countries had 3 or more girls competing.
I am not for or against the rule. Everyone knew the parameters going in. Its not like the committee made this change after everyone got there.
No, I know, but I think it's ludicrous. The justification is that they want more countries to participate by limiting the number of gymnasts that countries who have better athletes than they do to compete.
That's essentially banning gymnasts for being good at gymnastics, which is shameful and has no place in Olympic competition.
When I heard about the existance of the Olympic football tournament (yeah, I didn't know that such existed until these Olympics ) I got really excited. Then I heard about the age(?) restrictions... I guess EURO2012 will have to be enough of football for me this summer.
Yeah the rules for the Olympic football are: Each team is comprised of all U-23 year old players. Each squad is then allowed to have three players over 23 years of age. That said, I laugh everytime the media makes a big deal about Spain being "upset amazingly by Honduras and Japan". You cannot truly measure them as upsets if the teams are not fielding their International FIFA A-Team; since everyone's basis of an "upset" is on the fact that Spain's A-Team is #1 in the world...not their Olympic squad.
Austrian ref (Barbare Csar) in Epee "accidentally" ****ed over the Korean fencer, Shin A Lam, in the semifinals, and awarded the match to the German, Britta Heidemann.
Basically, the ref added "1 second" at the end of the match that Shin had won if time were allowed to elapse. Then she reset the fencers way too close to each other. Britta was given multiple opportunities and extra seconds and scored eventualy.
Koreans appealed and they forced Shin to stay out on the floor for an hour while they tried to figure out the protest. Shin was actually not allowed to leave the floor (or it would be considered conceding the original decision). ******* english announcers actually made it sound like she was staging a sit-in for an hour or something.
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And what really pisses me off is FIE's arrogant attitude that they think this made-up award (might as well be drawn with crayon) will appease the athlete that sacrificed 4 years to get there. Are they kidding? I sincerely hope that Shin doesn't accept this ridiculous insult of an award. For starters, FIE can at least apologize to the athlete and reprimand Csar for her egregious mistakes instead of acting as though some made-up award from FIE is worth anything.
Virtual concensus in fencing forums I've checked out is that this is a total ****up and an embarrassment to the sport.
Oh well... still first world problems, yes, and nothing to blow a gasket over, but in the world of sports, just a **** job. I'm not going to lose sleep over it, and I'm not going to let it ruin my Olympics, but for tonight... I'm exceedingly pissed off at Barb Csar. Kinda screwed up a nice Olympic day when the Americans winning the women's gymnastics and Phelps got his 19th Olympic medal should have been a "feel good" day for me.
It could be worse, we could have the situation that has marred the Badminton...
4 pairs disqualified as they were not playing to the best of their abilities. See here for the story.
That was a travesty yes. Tough call what punishment should have happened, but the rules set up this disaster.
The Problem was that group play was instituted instead of the normal single elimination. The organizers were warned this would happen but chose to ignore it.
It all started with the #1 seeded Chinese team trying to tank against the Koreans in order to not face the #2 Chinese team (which had been upset by Dennark I think). Once the stronger Chinese started tanking, the Koreans started tanking back. They were warned, and the Koreans eventually won a match in which both teams were not giving their best effort.
The other Korean team then faced Indonesia, and it was in their best interest to lose as well, so they started tanking, and the Indonesians followed suit.
This was all to a wildly booing crowd.
Eventually all 4 teams were DQ'd.
Sweden did the same thing in Hockey in 2006 winter Olympics to avoid a tougher opponent in the medal rounds (coach even publicly contemplated it prior to doing it).
Tanking games does happen when athletes are given the incentive. And the degree of tanking escalates as soon as one team starts, if both bag incentive to lose.
Not saying its right. But giving athletes an incentive to hold back or tank, then punishing them to do so, seems somewhat unfair. Did we see full efforts from any of the top swimmers in preliminary and semifinal heats? Why not? Spectators were watching after all. They owed it to the audience.
If your opponent is clearly slacking to lose and screw you over, and they are the higher seed, seems extremely unfair to sit there and watch them deliberately miss serves against you and then they get the better seed because you play all out.
In the end, this is an embarrassment to the sport though. But a large part of the blame goes to organizers, especially given the Chinese record of tanking >20% if chinese in chinese matches in international play, organizers should have seen this coming.
With four badminton pairs sensationally disqualified from the Olympic Games for deliberately throwing their matches, Telegraph Sport looks at how and why the situation arose.
So how come spectators were forced into watching a farcical set of matches?
Badminton chiefs introduced a preliminary pool round for this Olympics after starting the tournament with knockout rounds in previous Olympiads. It was clear then that there could be a myriad of problems. Sure enough they arose in the women's doubles on Tuesday evening after China's world champion duo and pairs from South Korea and Indonesia purposely lost points in their final group matches to earn a favourable draw in the last 16.
Are there previous incidents of players clearly throwing matches?
Not half. Speak to players and officials and they will tell you of a spate of incidents each year on the world tour. As far as the Olympics go, the highest-profile case remains Athens 2004 when Li Yongbo, China’s head coach, admitted to ordering a player to throw a tie, improving chances of gold. It occurred during the women’s singles semi-final when Li decided that Zhang Ning would have a better shot at winning the final against a non-Chinese opponent rather than her opponent Zhou Mi.
So it is more prevalent with all-Chinese encounters?
Statistics – compiled by the online magazine Badzine – for all major tournaments in 2011 revealed that walkovers and uncompleted matches were commonplace. Chinese shuttlers, favourites to sweep all five golds at these Games, met each other 99 times on the circuit in 2011. Of those, 20 matches were either not played (11 walkovers) or partially completed before one of the opponents retired. When Chinese met other nations, the percentage of withdrawals dropped to 0.21 per cent.
Can we call it match-fixing?
China will tell you differently, but four years after the Athens debacle, Li said it "showed our patriotism and in fact I am proud of it”. In the Olympics, only two entries from each nation can compete. China’s dominance outside of the Olympics means that the latter stages of Super Series events are filled with their players and more of a chance of manipulating matches. The problem with group-stage matches is that the teams believe they are exploiting a loophole in the system of keeping players fresh, rather than fixing matches for betting purposes.
What do the players think about the debacle?
Chris Adcock, Britain’s doubles’ specialist, told Telegraph Sport in February that it was “frustrating” to see so many games “clearly thrown”. Adcock alluded to one particular match at last year’s World Championship semi-final involving two Chinese pairs, which failed to go the distance. Adcock and his partner Imogen Bankier reached the final but looked tired as their Chinese rivals won gold.
What is being done about the whole issue?
Before the Wembley furore, world badminton chiefs said they were continuing to monitor same-country matches after a number of complaints from federations. The crux was that no official explanations were given as to particular withdrawals, while there was no independent doctor to assess injuries. The Badminton World Federation said in August that it would impose “severe penalties”.
@dcartist: Why did you post an image of a fencer (whom I now know as Shin A-Lam) who is doing whatever she's doing (other than sitting on the piste)?
Bad call by the referee, but eh, this (including but not limited to the referee, the dodginess of the Olympics and of sport, the handling of the matter) all sucks but Shin is who she is - a winner, an athlete - one way or another. The difference, I suppose, is being recorded as the winner and the associated perks such as sponsorship, but it's not really as though she's completely and utterly screwed for life.
The referee, Barbara Csar, really stuffed up for sure. There's no denying that. Britta Heidemann is a good fencer. That could said too.
Interesting how Shin lost later. I suppose the ordeal was rather taxing.
It could be worse, we could have the situation that has marred the Badminton...
4 pairs disqualified as they were not playing to the best of their abilities. See here for the story.
Round-robin format is dumb, dumb, dumb, but if I were in the crowd, having paid money to watch the athletes open a can of whoop-ass on their opponents, I'd be absolutely infuriated.
In theory, the round-robin format is decent; but, again, the officials have stuffed up.
I take it you mean the backroom officials who set the tournament up not the umpires and the judges up in the chairs as from what I have read they did what they could. Warning the teams in question and disqualifying some of the pairs during the match only to have it overturned on appeal.
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Sorry i didn't see a thread on this and since this is probably the best sports on TV at the moment.
all i can say is that michael phelps is a machine in the water. If there ever was an aquaman he would be it.
He has clinched the most career medals at 21. with 15 golds. He won gold again today in the 100m fly. i seriously doubt anyone will catch him any time soon.
Congrats to all the other Gold medalists and olympians as well.
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So?
If the gymnasts are better, then they should go on over worse gymnasts. If that means certain countries are just better, then either suck it up and train better or deal with it.
I don't mean to sound like I'm aiming this at you, bocephus, because you didn't make the rule (or did you...), but it's complete bull**** to cheat Wieber out of a position she rightfully deserves for no good reason.
No I didnt make the rule, and it was controversial when it was changed. The rules committee felt limiting the number for each country would increase participation.
It was great when America or any country, when they had 3-4 girls competing for the all-around, not so much for that girl who was 25th and multiple countries had 3 or more girls competing.
I am not for or against the rule. Everyone knew the parameters going in. Its not like the committee made this change after everyone got there.
"I did not want to post this in the feel good thread because I want it to be a feel good thread.. Not a debate thread.
I did not watch the Opening Ceremony.
I am actually quite disturbed by the Olympics and what it has become and have decided not to view it in protest.
The powers that the Olympics demand from governments is staggering and gets worse every time.
For example. If you live near any of the events and you display something not approved in your window, such as a burger king or mastercard logo. (Visa and Mcdonalds are sponsors) They have the right to send the police to your house, kick down the door, and remove the offending items.
If you are a bar and you put up a sign to invite people to come and watch the Olympic games on your TV's.. You will be forced to remove it and possibly be fined.
If you are at the games and you snap a photo and post it on facebook or upload a little video to Youtube.. It will be removed and you could be sued.
You can not use without permission the words:
Olympics, Games, Two Thousand and Twelve, 2012, Twenty-Twelve
In conjunction with:
London, medals, sponsors, summer, gold, silver or bronze.
Or you could be sued.
Someone was already threatened for saying "Great Exhibition 2012"
All ATM's in the area that accept anything that is not VISA has been ripped out.
No vendors are allowed to accept anything that is not VISA.
In fact, people buying tickets were not allowed to pay with anything that was not VISA.
If an Athlete tweets about the games, they could be banned.
If an athlete posts on facebook about consuming any product that is not an official sponsor.. they can be banned.
In fact... You are not even allowed to link to the Olympics website unless the text accompanying it is positive. Doing so with negative text can get you sued."
I'd love to hear from anyone here that may be over in London right now, or anybody that knows the rules and regulations of the Olympic Committee to tell me if this is false, or true. Especially the ATM part.
http://moneyland.time.com/2012/06/05/visa-bars-mastercard-amex-inside-olympics-venues/
But the tweeting stuff is limited to promoting products at the Olympics during the olympics (and 3 days afterward).
Yeah, you're right... That is kind of bogus, especially for the poorer athletes with smaller sponsorship dollars. Then again, you don't want the athletes looking like NASCAR cars either.
Did you see the end of the men's gymnastics competition?
Brits put on a big performance, the crowd went absolutely ape****, at which point, the "Japanese superman" basically ended his pommel horse routine by almost just falling off the horse and not doing his handstand and dismount properly. Totally distracted. The judges gave him a -0.7 just for failing to handstand before he left the horse.
Brits get silver. Then Japanese bring over a wad of cash to the judges (sounds terrible, but i guess you have to PAY money if you want to protest, you get it back if they overturn in your favor) and judges overturn decision! Japanese won silver, Brits drop to bronze.
Now if I'm a little kid and see that whole scene play out, it looks like the Japanese bribing the judges. Kind of hilarious scene actually.
I have a friend that swam back in high school and she has gone to the past 5 or 6 Olympics to watch the swimming and a few other events (but mainly swimming). She had her picture taken in front of the swimming venue holding her tickets for the event and posted it on facebook. Some how the organizers found out and took away her tickets to all of the events she was going to go to.
It is sad the power of the Olympics and those that run them.
No, I know, but I think it's ludicrous. The justification is that they want more countries to participate by limiting the number of gymnasts that countries who have better athletes than they do to compete.
That's essentially banning gymnasts for being good at gymnastics, which is shameful and has no place in Olympic competition.
Yeah the rules for the Olympic football are: Each team is comprised of all U-23 year old players. Each squad is then allowed to have three players over 23 years of age. That said, I laugh everytime the media makes a big deal about Spain being "upset amazingly by Honduras and Japan". You cannot truly measure them as upsets if the teams are not fielding their International FIFA A-Team; since everyone's basis of an "upset" is on the fact that Spain's A-Team is #1 in the world...not their Olympic squad.
Basically, the ref added "1 second" at the end of the match that Shin had won if time were allowed to elapse. Then she reset the fencers way too close to each other. Britta was given multiple opportunities and extra seconds and scored eventualy.
Koreans appealed and they forced Shin to stay out on the floor for an hour while they tried to figure out the protest. Shin was actually not allowed to leave the floor (or it would be considered conceding the original decision). ******* english announcers actually made it sound like she was staging a sit-in for an hour or something.
Fencing forum is going nuts over this:
http://www.fencing.net/forums/thread57862.html
The fencing governing body can't reverse the decision, but they know this was a complete screw job, so they offered Shin a "special medal".
http://www.fencing.net/forums/thread57865.html
Virtual concensus in fencing forums I've checked out is that this is a total ****up and an embarrassment to the sport.
Oh well... still first world problems, yes, and nothing to blow a gasket over, but in the world of sports, just a **** job. I'm not going to lose sleep over it, and I'm not going to let it ruin my Olympics, but for tonight... I'm exceedingly pissed off at Barb Csar. Kinda screwed up a nice Olympic day when the Americans winning the women's gymnastics and Phelps got his 19th Olympic medal should have been a "feel good" day for me.
4 pairs disqualified as they were not playing to the best of their abilities. See here for the story.
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The Problem was that group play was instituted instead of the normal single elimination. The organizers were warned this would happen but chose to ignore it.
It all started with the #1 seeded Chinese team trying to tank against the Koreans in order to not face the #2 Chinese team (which had been upset by Dennark I think). Once the stronger Chinese started tanking, the Koreans started tanking back. They were warned, and the Koreans eventually won a match in which both teams were not giving their best effort.
The other Korean team then faced Indonesia, and it was in their best interest to lose as well, so they started tanking, and the Indonesians followed suit.
This was all to a wildly booing crowd.
Eventually all 4 teams were DQ'd.
Sweden did the same thing in Hockey in 2006 winter Olympics to avoid a tougher opponent in the medal rounds (coach even publicly contemplated it prior to doing it).
Tanking games does happen when athletes are given the incentive. And the degree of tanking escalates as soon as one team starts, if both bag incentive to lose.
Not saying its right. But giving athletes an incentive to hold back or tank, then punishing them to do so, seems somewhat unfair. Did we see full efforts from any of the top swimmers in preliminary and semifinal heats? Why not? Spectators were watching after all. They owed it to the audience.
If your opponent is clearly slacking to lose and screw you over, and they are the higher seed, seems extremely unfair to sit there and watch them deliberately miss serves against you and then they get the better seed because you play all out.
In the end, this is an embarrassment to the sport though. But a large part of the blame goes to organizers, especially given the Chinese record of tanking >20% if chinese in chinese matches in international play, organizers should have seen this coming.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/olympics/badminton/9444025/Badminton-match-fixing-scandal-how-and-why-the-four-pairs-were-disqualified-from-the-London-2012-Olympics.html
Bad call by the referee, but eh, this (including but not limited to the referee, the dodginess of the Olympics and of sport, the handling of the matter) all sucks but Shin is who she is - a winner, an athlete - one way or another. The difference, I suppose, is being recorded as the winner and the associated perks such as sponsorship, but it's not really as though she's completely and utterly screwed for life.
The referee, Barbara Csar, really stuffed up for sure. There's no denying that. Britta Heidemann is a good fencer. That could said too.
Interesting how Shin lost later. I suppose the ordeal was rather taxing.
Round-robin format is dumb, dumb, dumb, but if I were in the crowd, having paid money to watch the athletes open a can of whoop-ass on their opponents, I'd be absolutely infuriated.
In theory, the round-robin format is decent; but, again, the officials have stuffed up.
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all i can say is that michael phelps is a machine in the water. If there ever was an aquaman he would be it.
He has clinched the most career medals at 21. with 15 golds. He won gold again today in the 100m fly. i seriously doubt anyone will catch him any time soon.
Congrats to all the other Gold medalists and olympians as well.
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