I'm pretty sure everyone's heard about the Oculus Rift by now for the PC and Sony's Project Morpheus for the PS4, so whether or not If Microsoft plans to release their own VR headset is unclear right now considering that the release of Amazon TV beats the XBox One out of the water since it can also play games although I've been hearing complaints about the game controller for it though. Nintendo seems to be investing in smartphone and tablet technology for their next new console/handheld while everyone else seems to be more focused on Virtual Reality which Nintendo failed upon with the Virtual Boy 20 years ago and when you look at it that way it seems like every competitor in the Video Game Industry is trying to get back at Nintendo probably because they view them as "outdated" or a representation of the East's dominance of the industry before the West took over in the mid 90's. What was wrong with what we had before?
Is Virtual Reality still as much of a gimmick as it was 20-30 years ago or is Palmer Luckey and John Carmack onto something here? I'm still baffled as to why Facebook would buy the Oculus Rift for $2 Billion just days after Sony announces their own VR headset for the PS4 with Project Morpheus. I've recently seen some gameplay footage of the Oculus Rift and it didn't creep me out as much as the Oculus Rift Porn Ad I saw online with 50 Cent and Lara Croft as it was the most disturbing thing I saw since watching a music video by Aphex Twin. It wasn't that realistic at all, it was just downright creepy. What does that say about the current state of the video game industry? Are we just grasping for straws to see what the next new innovation in gaming will be without alienating the status quo too much? I know Virtual Reality is inevitable in the video game industry but to me I feel like people are rushing towards what they believe could be the next best thing instead of looking into the consequences of it where you'll eventually be unable to distinguish between reality and virtual reality.
Sorry to get off in a tangent like this especially that disturbing ad for the Oculus Rift, but it's been something I wanted to get off my chest for awhile now. I'm aware that the Oculus Rift isn't just a device for gaming but also for other entertainment purposes, however from what I understand it's mostly gaming oriented. I probably shouldn't have mentioned that Ad but I was just using it as an example as a state of how far we've gone in the Video Game Industry lately and right now it kind of creeps me out so hopefully I'm not the only one who thinks this. Perhaps it's my reluctance to adapt to change but what If that change has dire consequences to society? That's how I view the 2nd Generation of Virtual Reality in today's Game Industry, heck I don't even want to think about what the 3rd or 4th Generation of Virtual Reality will be like although hopefully it isn't in the near future. It just feels like we're advancing too fast in technology as a society and we need to slow down a bit regardless of what we're doing.
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Well it's bad enough that VR Porn is a thing now with the Oculus Rift and possibly Sony's Project Morpheus. Say what you will about Microsoft but since Virtual Reality falls in the same category as motion controls in gaming I'd prefer playing on Kinect than I would strapping a VR headset to play my favorite games. It was the best thing Microsoft had going for them with the XBox 360 while it may be flawed it's still better than using a headset or wiring your brain directly to a Virtual Reality world like in Sword Art Online or in The Matrix. I hate how guys like John Carmack and Palmer Luckey are force feeding VR down gamers throats in the same way Republicans feel about how the Affordable Care Act was passed into law by President Obama. Terrible analogy I know, but still a point made nonetheless. 5 more years til Virtual Reality becomes a bigger deal isn't very long, you do realize that 5 years is a short amount of time right?
Apparently Massive Online Multiplayer games aren't enough for gamers who want to be emersed in a 3D world, since we have people stupid enough out of sheer curiosity to push the very boundaries of how we recognize the video game industry today. Video game developers and producers nowadays seem like, "Well screw mobile gaming let's go full blown VR cause we need to be cutting-edge in order to make money!" It's times like these that I'm looking forward to a new video game market crash to set companies straight about how their current business practices are ruining the industry as a whole especially since how the FPS genre has oversaturated every other game genre to date. The truth of the matter is that we don't need Virtual Reality this early when what the video game industry really needs to do is go back to basics without investing too much of a budget on games they develop. Less equals more but not in the same vein as Indie titles, I'm talking about Triple A titles that you can easily buy for $1 with the same amount of budget spent to make it instead of paying $30-40+ retail with added DLC.
"Restriction breeds creativity." - Sheldon Menery on EDH / Commander in Magic: The Gathering
"Cancel Culture is the real reason why everyone's not allowed to have nice things anymore." - Anonymous
"For what will it profit a man if he gains the whole world, and loses his own soul?" - Mark 8:36
"Most men and women will grow up to love their servitude and will never dream of revolution." - Aldous Huxley, Brave New World
"Every life decision is always a risk / reward proposition." - Sanjay Gupta
If VR can solve motion sickness, pressure migranes & the glasses problem, maybe I'll accept it as a legit upgrade to mainstream gaming. As it is, I figure it's a sideshow.
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5 more years til Virtual Reality becomes a bigger deal isn't very long, you do realize that 5 years is a short amount of time right?
I'm aware. Are you saying you disagree, then? You don't think Virtual Reality will be any bigger in 5 years than it is now? My bet is that it will be the 'motion gaming' for this generation of consoles when the machines start to show some age and the console companies need that monetary invigoration.
Ultimately, just vote with your dollar. Don't like it? Don't buy it. I did the same with motion gaming and have never regretted it.
Is there any reason to think that virtual reality WILL be bigger than it is now as opposed to just a niche?
Motion control seems to have hit an upper limit. I see no reason to think virtual reality will go that much further. Gamers seem to really like idea of playing games with a thing that takes up a small amount of space allows you to be able to draw your attention to other things.
Some people will like it, but IMHO it will be a sideshow the same way Kinect is now or 3D tv/movies, until they are able to incorporate touch sensation. If they do that then it's really a whole new ballgame. Some companies will really try to push it (again the way Microsoft tries to push Kinect) but that doesn't mean you'll be forced to use it if you don't want to. There are some smart gaming companies out there and if an Occulus type interface doesn't make sense they won't use it.
What they need to make a full VR system would be to make it interact with the brain. Of course, experimenting with that has risk and I'm sure no one is ready to take those now. When will they understand they can use the prisonners of high security prisons for that?
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In my opinion, VR can't get here soon enough. I have been waiting for it to hit the mainstream for literal decades. Moving too fast? Not even a little bit.
5 more years til Virtual Reality becomes a bigger deal isn't very long, you do realize that 5 years is a short amount of time right?
I'm aware. Are you saying you disagree, then? You don't think Virtual Reality will be any bigger in 5 years than it is now? My bet is that it will be the 'motion gaming' for this generation of consoles when the machines start to show some age and the console companies need that monetary invigoration.
Ultimately, just vote with your dollar. Don't like it? Don't buy it. I did the same with motion gaming and have never regretted it.
I want to disagree but considering that console companies nowadays only seem to care about the next gimmick in the video game industry instead of fixing the industry from the ground up to avoid another market crash, I don't really buy into Virtual Reality as something that the industry needs to focus on in the near future but rather they're using it to escape their problems by alienating their fan base and consumers. What they need to do is bring the video game industry back to how it was in the 80's and 90's when we had high quality games that didn't require an overly expensive budget to develop and produce instead of catering to demographics for sales. It's funny how video games nowadays with the same budget as Triple A titles are nowhere near as cheap as buying individual songs/albums on iTunes or Rhapsody, this is also without having to pay extra money for DLC's and DRM's.
"Restriction breeds creativity." - Sheldon Menery on EDH / Commander in Magic: The Gathering
"Cancel Culture is the real reason why everyone's not allowed to have nice things anymore." - Anonymous
"For what will it profit a man if he gains the whole world, and loses his own soul?" - Mark 8:36
"Most men and women will grow up to love their servitude and will never dream of revolution." - Aldous Huxley, Brave New World
"Every life decision is always a risk / reward proposition." - Sanjay Gupta
The only worry I really have for VR is if like 3d in film, it's purely going to be used in gimmicky ways for some time. Growing pains I guess. Not like the video game industry is creatively lush right now anyway.
...What exactly is so bad about VR porn?
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What they need to make a full VR system would be to make it interact with the brain. Of course, experimenting with that has risk and I'm sure no one is ready to take those now. When will they understand they can use the prisonners of high security prisons for that?
That sounds remarkably close to the plot of Sword Art Online, and IIRC, that didn't exactly work out too well. As far as testing on prisoners, while I recognize you might be joking, I'm pretty sure testing potentially dangerous hardware constitutes "cruel and unusual punishment".
Well, it was a joke. As for interacting direclty with the brain, there's already stuff like the nekomimi's that has a snesor on the forehead that I believe works with the brain. There's also some medical research to halp someone move it's wheel chail with it's brain. So there's already technology that interact witht he brain. If they wanted to step it up further, they would have to find a way to send data to the brain. Imagine if they managed to do that. Let's say someone is blind because of a eye sickness, imagine the technology is developped where all he has to do is grab a helmet with two high quality cameras and walk around, seeing stuff since the nerves are alright. Virtual reallity pushed far enough could have medical purposes, like communicating with someone in a state that doesn't allow them to get out, like someone dying for a grave sickness.
With high enough technology, we could help those that need help. I have read the SAO novels (still reading them and I'm now at a volume too far away and I don't want to spoil that part) and the author exactly adds this theme in one volume that would make a great OVA and the 3 last volumes kind of have that theme. The aspects shown of what could be developped would make this, not the gaming industry flag, but the flag of technology epitome. When we reach that level of technology, we will have hit the limits of what we can do in that direction. The human brain completelly decoded.
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Well, it was a joke. As for interacting direclty with the brain, there's already stuff like the nekomimi's that has a snesor on the forehead that I believe works with the brain. There's also some medical research to halp someone move it's wheel chail with it's brain. So there's already technology that interact witht he brain. If they wanted to step it up further, they would have to find a way to send data to the brain. Imagine if they managed to do that. Let's say someone is blind because of a eye sickness, imagine the technology is developped where all he has to do is grab a helmet with two high quality cameras and walk around, seeing stuff since the nerves are alright. Virtual reallity pushed far enough could have medical purposes, like communicating with someone in a state that doesn't allow them to get out, like someone dying for a grave sickness.
Some things have already been done along these lines by creating analogs of normal sensory organs - the blind have been taught to "see" with a chair that applies pressure to their backs to mimic light on the retina, and the congenitally blind could discern objects like telephones at different angles and understand depth perception. Pretty neat. There are machines put on one's tongue that fix problems with the eustachian tubes by teaching you to balance with your tongue instead, think of standing holding liquid on top of your tongue and orienting yourself that way.
The problem with directly feeding sensory info like that to the person's brain would be if they lack the wiring in the brain to process the info, as they would (at least after some development) were they congenitally lacking the total function of the sense. So you'd either need to do something similar to the chair thing to rewire their brains, or implant a processor for it, and the latter is something we shouldn't see for long.
"Restriction breeds creativity." - Sheldon Menery on EDH / Commander in Magic: The Gathering
"Cancel Culture is the real reason why everyone's not allowed to have nice things anymore." - Anonymous
"For what will it profit a man if he gains the whole world, and loses his own soul?" - Mark 8:36
"Most men and women will grow up to love their servitude and will never dream of revolution." - Aldous Huxley, Brave New World
"Every life decision is always a risk / reward proposition." - Sanjay Gupta
It's funny how video games nowadays with the same budget as Triple A titles are nowhere near as cheap as buying individual songs/albums on iTunes or Rhapsody, this is also without having to pay extra money for DLC's and DRM's.[/color]
Hm, I guess I don't follow? AAA titles should cost $0.99?
But yea, I think we're basically in agreement. Whether or not it's the right time for it, it's gonna get pushed, simply because it's the next hot gimmick.
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Is Virtual Reality still as much of a gimmick as it was 20-30 years ago or is Palmer Luckey and John Carmack onto something here? I'm still baffled as to why Facebook would buy the Oculus Rift for $2 Billion just days after Sony announces their own VR headset for the PS4 with Project Morpheus. I've recently seen some gameplay footage of the Oculus Rift and it didn't creep me out as much as the Oculus Rift Porn Ad I saw online with 50 Cent and Lara Croft as it was the most disturbing thing I saw since watching a music video by Aphex Twin. It wasn't that realistic at all, it was just downright creepy. What does that say about the current state of the video game industry? Are we just grasping for straws to see what the next new innovation in gaming will be without alienating the status quo too much? I know Virtual Reality is inevitable in the video game industry but to me I feel like people are rushing towards what they believe could be the next best thing instead of looking into the consequences of it where you'll eventually be unable to distinguish between reality and virtual reality.
Sorry to get off in a tangent like this especially that disturbing ad for the Oculus Rift, but it's been something I wanted to get off my chest for awhile now. I'm aware that the Oculus Rift isn't just a device for gaming but also for other entertainment purposes, however from what I understand it's mostly gaming oriented. I probably shouldn't have mentioned that Ad but I was just using it as an example as a state of how far we've gone in the Video Game Industry lately and right now it kind of creeps me out so hopefully I'm not the only one who thinks this. Perhaps it's my reluctance to adapt to change but what If that change has dire consequences to society? That's how I view the 2nd Generation of Virtual Reality in today's Game Industry, heck I don't even want to think about what the 3rd or 4th Generation of Virtual Reality will be like although hopefully it isn't in the near future. It just feels like we're advancing too fast in technology as a society and we need to slow down a bit regardless of what we're doing.
"Restriction breeds creativity." - Sheldon Menery on EDH / Commander in Magic: The Gathering
"Cancel Culture is the real reason why everyone's not allowed to have nice things anymore." - Anonymous
"For what will it profit a man if he gains the whole world, and loses his own soul?" - Mark 8:36
"Most men and women will grow up to love their servitude and will never dream of revolution." - Aldous Huxley, Brave New World
"Every life decision is always a risk / reward proposition." - Sanjay Gupta
It is definitely part of gaming's future, but I agree that it's much farther away than most people seem to think. I give it at least 5 more years.
I really don't think anyone is trying to "get back" at Nintendo for their success in the 80s/90s, though.
Apparently Massive Online Multiplayer games aren't enough for gamers who want to be emersed in a 3D world, since we have people stupid enough out of sheer curiosity to push the very boundaries of how we recognize the video game industry today. Video game developers and producers nowadays seem like, "Well screw mobile gaming let's go full blown VR cause we need to be cutting-edge in order to make money!" It's times like these that I'm looking forward to a new video game market crash to set companies straight about how their current business practices are ruining the industry as a whole especially since how the FPS genre has oversaturated every other game genre to date. The truth of the matter is that we don't need Virtual Reality this early when what the video game industry really needs to do is go back to basics without investing too much of a budget on games they develop. Less equals more but not in the same vein as Indie titles, I'm talking about Triple A titles that you can easily buy for $1 with the same amount of budget spent to make it instead of paying $30-40+ retail with added DLC.
"Restriction breeds creativity." - Sheldon Menery on EDH / Commander in Magic: The Gathering
"Cancel Culture is the real reason why everyone's not allowed to have nice things anymore." - Anonymous
"For what will it profit a man if he gains the whole world, and loses his own soul?" - Mark 8:36
"Most men and women will grow up to love their servitude and will never dream of revolution." - Aldous Huxley, Brave New World
"Every life decision is always a risk / reward proposition." - Sanjay Gupta
Art is life itself.
I'm aware. Are you saying you disagree, then? You don't think Virtual Reality will be any bigger in 5 years than it is now? My bet is that it will be the 'motion gaming' for this generation of consoles when the machines start to show some age and the console companies need that monetary invigoration.
Ultimately, just vote with your dollar. Don't like it? Don't buy it. I did the same with motion gaming and have never regretted it.
Motion control seems to have hit an upper limit. I see no reason to think virtual reality will go that much further. Gamers seem to really like idea of playing games with a thing that takes up a small amount of space allows you to be able to draw your attention to other things.
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"Restriction breeds creativity." - Sheldon Menery on EDH / Commander in Magic: The Gathering
"Cancel Culture is the real reason why everyone's not allowed to have nice things anymore." - Anonymous
"For what will it profit a man if he gains the whole world, and loses his own soul?" - Mark 8:36
"Most men and women will grow up to love their servitude and will never dream of revolution." - Aldous Huxley, Brave New World
"Every life decision is always a risk / reward proposition." - Sanjay Gupta
...What exactly is so bad about VR porn?
That sounds remarkably close to the plot of Sword Art Online, and IIRC, that didn't exactly work out too well. As far as testing on prisoners, while I recognize you might be joking, I'm pretty sure testing potentially dangerous hardware constitutes "cruel and unusual punishment".
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With high enough technology, we could help those that need help. I have read the SAO novels (still reading them and I'm now at a volume too far away and I don't want to spoil that part) and the author exactly adds this theme in one volume that would make a great OVA and the 3 last volumes kind of have that theme. The aspects shown of what could be developped would make this, not the gaming industry flag, but the flag of technology epitome. When we reach that level of technology, we will have hit the limits of what we can do in that direction. The human brain completelly decoded.
The problem with directly feeding sensory info like that to the person's brain would be if they lack the wiring in the brain to process the info, as they would (at least after some development) were they congenitally lacking the total function of the sense. So you'd either need to do something similar to the chair thing to rewire their brains, or implant a processor for it, and the latter is something we shouldn't see for long.
"Restriction breeds creativity." - Sheldon Menery on EDH / Commander in Magic: The Gathering
"Cancel Culture is the real reason why everyone's not allowed to have nice things anymore." - Anonymous
"For what will it profit a man if he gains the whole world, and loses his own soul?" - Mark 8:36
"Most men and women will grow up to love their servitude and will never dream of revolution." - Aldous Huxley, Brave New World
"Every life decision is always a risk / reward proposition." - Sanjay Gupta
Neither is porn.
Hm, I guess I don't follow? AAA titles should cost $0.99?
But yea, I think we're basically in agreement. Whether or not it's the right time for it, it's gonna get pushed, simply because it's the next hot gimmick.