Who else likes gothic music? What are your favorite bands and songs?
I am a big fan of The Cure; to my shame, I rather like their poppier and lighter stuff, such as "Friday I'm in Love" "Why Can't I Be You?" (I used to like "The Lovecats"), but I love their darker stuff, such as "A Forest", "Carnage Visors", "Grinding Halt", etc.
I also like The Sisters of Mercy, Joy Division, the Bunnymen, Bauhaus, and Depeche Mode. I have tried hard to get more into Siouxsie and the Banshees and Birthday Party as well as Lords of the New Church and The Damned.
Admittedly, I didn't listen to music growing up, even though the 80s were my era. I don't really know too much about the culture or the history, so I am a most pretentious poseur!
If you mention anything like Marilyn Manson, please go away. I have listened and I might listen to Marilyn Manson, but he isn't gothic rock as this thread means it.
Oh yeah, what is your interpretation of "The Killing Moon"? What lyrics support what parts of your interpretation, or how have you interpreted specific parts of the song?
I'd recommend looking into Fields of the Nephilim, as well as Type O Negative and Paradise Lost. If you're into electronic style music as well, The Cruxshadows are my favorite band, personally.
Also, there's a huge variety of bands that fall under the Goth-rock genre, so it's not really wise to exclude any of them, at least until you give them a listen, you might end up surprised by what all you can find.
I'd recommend looking into Fields of the Nephilim, as well as Type O Negative and Paradise Lost. If you're into electronic style music as well, The Cruxshadows are my favorite band, personally.
Also, there's a huge variety of bands that fall under the Goth-rock genre, so it's not really wise to exclude any of them, at least until you give them a listen, you might end up surprised by what all you can find.
These are all good recommendations.
Some more:
Goth Metal - Dreadful Shadows and Zeraphine are two of my favorites. They share a lead singer (who also has an electronic/futurepopish band, Solar Fake). Dreadful Shadows is a bit more traditional goth, while Zeraphine takes some elements of Neue Deutsche Harte. Scream Silence and Down Below are both pretty good, as is Seraphim Shock
Goth Rock - Specimen, Bella Morte. She Wants Revenge is a good modern take on goth rock.
Goth Metal - Dreadful Shadows and Zeraphine are two of my favorites. They share a lead singer (who also has an electronic/futurepopish band, Solar Fake). Dreadful Shadows is a bit more traditional goth, while Zeraphine takes some elements of Neue Deutsche Harte. Scream Silence and Down Below are both pretty good, as is Seraphim Shock
Goth Rock - Specimen, Bella Morte. She Wants Revenge is a good modern take on goth rock.
If you want some fun goth-esque music, check out Voltaire.
If you're into industrial, shoot me a pm or something, and I can give you a list of bands that I enjoyed, and I can ask my fiance, because that's really her scene.
Killing Moon is a symbolic song about death. Though you understand it is a natural part of life, it is natural for people to want to stay alive.
In the end, it is:
I'd recommend looking into Fields of the Nephilim, as well as Type O Negative and Paradise Lost. If you're into electronic style music as well, The Cruxshadows are my favorite band, personally.
Thanks for the recommendations. I have listened to and don't mind FotN, which is closer to classical gothic music, but with metal influences.
I have heard of TON and PL, but I know them to both be metal; I am no fan of their work or of gothic metal.
By all means, do continue to discuss gothic metal or whatever; but, you must excuse me if I am pickier and prefer more classical gothic music that heavily influenced and influenced post-punk and New Wave.
Killing Moon is a symbolic song about death. Though you understand it is a natural part of life, it is natural for people to want to stay alive.
In the end, it is:
"Fate, up against your will."
Your fate to die against your will to live.
Death is patient.
"He will wait until, you give yourself to him..."
Interesting interpretation and not the first time I have read it. In fact, I also thought this was to do with death and fate or (edit: some form of) love (edit: or more, deeper than that) and, for the longest time, I thought this was haunting and sensual (could be because of McCulloch.....).
Some people on Song Meanings have written that McCulloch meant religion by the song. Can anyone see how that might be the case?
(By the way, if you read the Song Meanings comments, I love this interpretation: "this song is about a moon with a machine gun". XD)
By the way, you mentioned Depeche Mode in the opening post, which isn't exactly Goth. I can also recommend a number of artists similar to DM if that's an avenue you'd like to pursue.
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Not exactly rock, you should look up Nox Arcana and Midnight Syndicate (Nox Arcana is clearly the best of the two). It is some sort of darkwave, very atmospherical music that I would classify as "goth".
In the more rocky department of recommendations I would say that Lord of the Lost is one of the better new acts. It borders towards metal though, the songs I would recommend starting our with is: See You Soon, and Dry the Rain.
Also, for the electronic department, Blutengel is something that comes to mind.
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I am a big fan of The Cure; to my shame, I rather like their poppier and lighter stuff, such as "Friday I'm in Love" "Why Can't I Be You?" (I used to like "The Lovecats"), but I love their darker stuff, such as "A Forest", "Carnage Visors", "Grinding Halt", etc.
I also like The Sisters of Mercy, Joy Division, the Bunnymen, Bauhaus, and Depeche Mode. I have tried hard to get more into Siouxsie and the Banshees and Birthday Party as well as Lords of the New Church and The Damned.
There is absolutely no shame in liking The Cure in any capacity. Robert Smith is one of the great song writers, cheezy stuff notwithstanding. Disintegration and Pornography are pure brilliance.
I used to listen to The Damned a lot. They have produced a great variety of material and it's always fun to listen to. A lot of it sounds pretty underproduced and almost homemade in a way. I really like Phantasmagoria and Anything.
By the way, you mentioned Depeche Mode in the opening post, which isn't exactly Goth. I can also recommend a number of artists similar to DM if that's an avenue you'd like to pursue.
In consideration of all of their works and their repertoire, Depeche Mode is a paradox. Depeche Mode are not of the gothic rock genre or even of any other gothic music genre; rather, they were highly influential on New Wave and, though they may not have intended to do so, dark wave. In addition to that, they made synthpop and electronic music accessible and popular. Nevertheless, Depeche Mode is invariably associated with gothic music.
There is absolutely no shame in liking The Cure in any capacity. Robert Smith is one of the great song writers, cheezy stuff notwithstanding. Disintegration and Pornography are pure brilliance.
Of course there is no shame in liking The Cure.
I used to listen to The Damned a lot. They have produced a great variety of material and it's always fun to listen to. A lot of it sounds pretty underproduced and almost homemade in a way. I really like Phantasmagoria and Anything.
I think The Damned are too high-energy and noisy for my liking. I like The Cure because dark wave.
For instance,
The Cure's "A Forest" is gloomy but poppy, mesmerising without being mind-numbing and evocative without needing many dynamic or sonic changes in their rhythm or bass parts. This in fact means absolutely and is insubstantial; it's really just filled for something I can't put to words, either because I do not know what I do not know what I am talking about, what that je nais sais quoi is or the words for that je nais sais quoi. There's a quality that The Cure shares with bands such as Echo and Depeche in some of their songs.
Another excellent example is The Cure's "Lullaby".
By the by, thanks for your input and your appreciation of this sort of music, British music and all.
I don't have too much to add, but thought I'd throw in my love for The Cure. Disintegration is one of my top ten favorite albums.
While I consider Type O Negative goth and like their work, I can understand why they can be considered gothic-metal. There is a vast difference between Type O and the Cure/Joy Division/Depeche Mode (a band who you described very accurately).
Speaking of Vast, you might consider checking them out (or him, I should I say). I don't really think of Vast as a goth band, but you can hear some influences there, particularly in his earlier work.
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I'm pretty big into Gothic Doom Metal. I love Paradise Lost and Swallow the Sun. Virgin Black is a band that I spent a good amount of time listening to back in the day but my tastes veered away slightly. Swallow the Sun ranks highly in my favorite bands of all time. I do like The Cure, though! It's been a while since I gave them a listen, though.
Other bands I enjoy include Tristania, Cult of Luna, HIM, Moonspell, and Within Temptation.
In consideration of all of their works and their repertoire, Depeche Mode is a paradox. Depeche Mode are not of the gothic rock genre or even of any other gothic music genre; rather, they were highly influential on New Wave and, though they may not have intended to do so, dark wave. In addition to that, they made synthpop and electronic music accessible and popular. Nevertheless, Depeche Mode is invariably associated with gothic music
Right, right. All I was saying it that it seems like mostly what you've asked for has been New Wave-influenced goth rock. If you'd like recommendations for good stuff a la Depeche Mode, that's pretty much where I live musically.
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Also, for the electronic department, Blutengel is something that comes to mind.
Urg, Blutengel. Blutengel is about as goth as Manson is.
I liked them a lot when I had only one of their albums (Labyrinth). Then I made the mistake of reaching out into a few more of their albums and realized that there's pretty much nil in the way of development or maturation between the albums. Literally 90% of their songs are about being a vampire or wanting to be a vampire, across the board.
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Who else likes gothic music? What are your favorite bands and songs?
I am a big fan of The Cure; to my shame, I rather like their poppier and lighter stuff, such as "Friday I'm in Love" "Why Can't I Be You?" (I used to like "The Lovecats"), but I love their darker stuff, such as "A Forest", "Carnage Visors", "Grinding Halt", etc.
I also like The Sisters of Mercy, Joy Division, the Bunnymen, Bauhaus, and Depeche Mode. I have tried hard to get more into Siouxsie and the Banshees and Birthday Party as well as Lords of the New Church and The Damned.
I'm not into The Cure, but I love all of the other bands you mentioned, but most modern goth rock turns me off on all levels. Do you like Swans? Their 80s stuff is super heavy no wave industrial rock, but their 90s output was pretty akin to goth rock.
I also recommend Have a Nice Life, another band that isn't strictly speaking goth, but they do have a lot of 80s synth pop influence (as well as industrial, post-rock, and black metal).
I don't have too much to add, but thought I'd throw in my love for The Cure. Disintegration is one of my top ten favorite albums.
I am never sure when people say that; I [I]always[/I] suspect that other people are immature and are referencing [I]South Park[/I] (because that has universal acclaim :rollout:): "Robert Smith is the greatest person that ever lived", "Our saviour", "[I]Disintegration[/I] is the best album ever."
While I consider Type O Negative goth and like their work, I can understand why they can be considered gothic-metal. There is [I]a vast[/I] difference between Type O and the Cure/Joy Division/Depeche Mode
Indeed.
(a band who you described very accurately).
Wow, really? Um, I guess thanks, considering I don't really know anything about music.
Speaking of Vast, you might consider checking them out (or him, I should I say). I don't really think of Vast as a goth band, but you can hear some influences there, particularly in his earlier work.
Um, I'll definitely YouTube it, given your infectious enthusiasm and apparent expertise. Thanks for the recommendation.
Ninja edit: I could like VAST, but it isn't gothic or goth music as you said. It's sort of like ambient/synthpop (but not electropop)/dream pop/industrial rock/experimental rock/alternative rock. (FYI, I have only listened to "You", "Touched", and two other songs, so that could be reasonably characterised as a bad, unfair, inaccurate evaluation.) Regarding the other aspects of their music and their artistry, yeah, it isn't too crap, hahaaa.
You know, I am okay with metal, but I just don't like goth/gothic metal and its variants.
I do like The Cure, though! It's been a while since I gave them a listen, though.
Any other bands like The Cure?
Also, seriously, who doesn't like The Cure?
Other bands I enjoy include Tristania, Cult of Luna, HIM, Moonspell, and Within Temptation.
Heard of all of them. The only ones I could come close to liking were Within Temptation and Tristania (surprising for me, because I like my music from the Isles or, to a lesser extent, other English-speaking nations [I am trying to move on from this]), in descending order. Maybe [I]de gustibus[/I] or whatever, maybe I could come to like the others.
Right, right. All I was saying it that it seems like mostly what you've asked for has been New Wave-influenced goth rock. If you'd like recommendations for good stuff a la Depeche Mode, that's pretty much where I live musically.
I'll try you suggestions "Clan of Xymox, Asylum Party, Veil Veil Vanish, Silke Bischoff" in a sec. Thanks again for them.
Urg, Blutengel. Blutengel is about as goth as Manson is.
I liked them a lot when I had only one of their albums (Labyrinth). Then I made the mistake of reaching out into a few more of their albums and realized that there's pretty much nil in the way of development or maturation between the albums. Literally 90% of their songs are about being a vampire or wanting to be a vampire, across the board.
Wow. Just wow.
I just realised something. I may have been unclear, but it really doesn't matter as you can discuss anything goth or gothic here. I really like New Wave-influenced gothic, which is in fact markedly different from electropop/synthpop gothic. For instance, (although it isn't actually gothic), Depeche Mode is clearly stylistically different from The Cure.
but I love all of the other bands you mentioned, but most modern goth rock turns me off on all levels.
Excellent, excellent. I think we would get on swimmingly and could host a bloc party, not that that really would be appropriate.
Do you like Swans? Their 80s stuff is super heavy no wave industrial rock, but their 90s output was pretty akin to goth rock.
I can't say I dislike them, but I can't also say that my heart is jumping for joy when I hear them; this feeling really isn't limited to The Cure (:heart:).
There were two songs by Swans that I liked. Though that may be the case, I didn't really explore their music because of their band name.
I also recommend Have a Nice Life, another band that isn't strictly speaking goth, but they do have a lot of 80s synth pop influence (as well as industrial, post-rock, and black metal).
Well, I haven't really explored them too much outside of their radio hits. I did like that song they had on The Crow soundtrack, so if their darker output sounds like that, I might like it, but their poppy stuff doesn't do it for me. I also don't like The Smiths (besides How Soon is Now), but that has as much to do with Morrissey's personality and politics as their music.
Another recommendation: Rowland S Howard. After The Birthday Party split up, he went in a bit more accessible direction than Nick Cave.
I'll try you suggestions "Clan of Xymox, Asylum Party, Veil Veil Vanish, Silke Bischoff" in a sec. Thanks again for them.
Those are the ones that are most similar to actual goth music.
If you want some stuff similar to Depeche Mode, I've got a ton of good suggestions:
Wolfsheim - Amazing synthpop act that broke up about ten years ago due to the lead singer wanting to start his own (worse) solo band. Best albums to check out would be "Spectators" and "Casting Shadows"
De/Vision - One of my absolute favorite bands, they consistently release excellent music (about one album every 18-24 months). Try "Two", "Monosex", "Subkutan", or "Unversed in Love" (the last being the most like golden-age Depeche Mode)
Zynic - Recent synthpop artist with a definite new-wavey flavor, particularly in the second release, "Blindsided"
Mr.Kitty - Current favorite band of mine. He releases everything privately as pay-what-you-want on Soundcloud/Bandcamp. Check out "LIFE" and "Eternity"
B! Machine - Amazingly chill, minimalistic synth stuff. I'm particularly fond of "Infinity Plus", but most of his stuff is good.
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Well, I haven't really explored them too much outside of their radio hits. I did like that song they had on The Crow soundtrack, so if their darker output sounds like that, I might like it, but their poppy stuff doesn't do it for me.
To each, his own and all, but please do try to listen to The Cure! They are a rather influential band and are respectable in their own right.
I cannot suggest a particular method that will work for you when it comes to listening to their discography or a subset of it, as I neither had the patience or wisdom for asking anyone or doing my research. Instead, I commenced with their Greatest Hits, which included an acoustic-only bonus disc that only further cemented my opinion of the band. After that, I would go through tracks on albums - starting with the latest album of the time, Bloodflowers, followed by Three Imaginary Boys; Seventeen Seconds; The Head on the Door; Kiss Me, Kiss Me, Kiss Me - systematically, starting with track 1, then 2, then 3, and so on. Later, I listened to 1980's Seventeen Seconds, 1981's Faith, and 1982's Pornography, which were tonally darker and textually more richer.
Really, you might like The Cure, and I think it would be hasty and unfair to not give them a listening session of Greatest Hits and some of their albums (if you can't do that much, perhaps at least listen to "A Forest" and "The Hanging Garden").! If you do give them a try, do get back to us on how it went.
I also don't like The Smiths (besides How Soon is Now), but that has as much to do with Morrissey's personality and politics as their music.
Wow, really? Fair do's.
Moz is an unique and colourful character, but I don't really let that influence my opinion of The Smiths or other works involving Moz, such as his solo career. Like them or not, which is entirely a person's prerogative, The Smiths are also an influential, but comparably 'underground', band, and Johnny Marr is a damn wizard with the guitar.
Another recommendation: Rowland S Howard. After The Birthday Party split up, he went in a bit more accessible direction than Nick Cave.
Although more post-rock than gothic rock, I am aware of Aussie Rowland S. Howard. In fact, I very don't mind "Dead Radio".
Speaking of Nick Cave, are you familiar with the Bad Seeds' guitarist's other band, Einsturzende Neubauten?
Yes, I am! I went through a phase of listening, though not exclusively, to works by KMFDM and Nine Inch Nails. I thought to look deeper than that and I came upon EN. I appreciate the entirety of their discography (till 2008, when I last listened to them), particularly their more gothic rock works. Indeed, they take the gothic rock in a more rock direction and heavily incorporate industrial rock stylistic elements and sensibilities.
Thanks for the recommendations!
I know it isn't the great thing to use, but I just Similar Artists'd Joy Division and The Cure (for ref.):
Those are the ones that are most similar to actual goth music.
If you want some stuff similar to Depeche Mode, I've got a ton of good suggestions:
Wolfsheim - Amazing synthpop act that broke up about ten years ago due to the lead singer wanting to start his own (worse) solo band. Best albums to check out would be "Spectators" and "Casting Shadows"
De/Vision - One of my absolute favorite bands, they consistently release excellent music (about one album every 18-24 months). Try "Two", "Monosex", "Subkutan", or "Unversed in Love" (the last being the most like golden-age Depeche Mode)
Zynic - Recent synthpop artist with a definite new-wavey flavor, particularly in the second release, "Blindsided"
Mr.Kitty - Current favorite band of mine. He releases everything privately as pay-what-you-want on Soundcloud/Bandcamp. Check out "LIFE" and "Eternity"
B! Machine - Amazingly chill, minimalistic synth stuff. I'm particularly fond of "Infinity Plus", but most of his stuff is good.
I couldn't find any on the website of the dedicated, independent music store.
I guess I'll have to do a little more looking around.
Edit: Wolfsheim are awesome! Oh, yeah, how rude of me; thanks for these testimonials!
Edit 2: I have looked into De/Vision and Zynic all of them now, and I like what I am hearing. These bands that I have looked into thus far are all excellent synthpop acts.
I couldn't find any on the website of the dedicated, independent music store.
I guess I'll have to do a little more looking around.
Edit: Wolfsheim are awesome! Oh, yeah, how rude of me; thanks for these testimonials!
Edit 2: I have looked into De/Vision and Zynic all of them now, and I like what I am hearing. These bands that I have looked into thus far are all excellent synthpop acts.
Always glad to share. Like I said, this is basically where I live musically.
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I just noticed that no one has mentioned Killing Joke yet, which seems like a glaring oversight. I am a pretty big fan of both their earlier, more post-punk sound and their later, more industrial metal sound.
Would you consider Tears for Fears in this list? I'll be honest, I didn't discover my love for 80's "Goth" until I saw the movie Donnie Darko. That's when I discovered Joy Divison (minus reading some of their lyrics in the crow comic book and NIN's cover of Dead Souls), Echo and the Bunnymen, and Tears for Fears.
I just thought of another band that you may want to check out: Diary of Dreams. They're a darkwave band.
I'm going to repeat my suggestion of the Cruxshadows as well. They are pretty much THE darkwave band, and it's super obvious how influenced they were by Depeche Mode/The Cure/etc.
As far as Goth/darkwave goes Audra is one of my favorites. The core of the band is two brothers Bret and Bart Helm. The first album 'Audra' is very atmospheric and brooding in a Christian Death meets Ziggy Stardust way. The classics never grow old for me, Bauhaus is my all time favorite goth band. I got to seem them live with NIN many moons ago now, before Going Away White came out. I consider gODHEAD to be an electro-goth band. They were brought to light by Marilyn Manson around 2001, but they have a good catalog of music before and after their too brief brush with the spotlight. Opeth's album Damnation could be considered goth/prog-rock. Mortiis (a black metal/dark ambient alum of Emperor infamy) albums Smell of Rain and The Grudge are very synth-goth/industrial.
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I am a big fan of The Cure; to my shame, I rather like their poppier and lighter stuff, such as "Friday I'm in Love" "Why Can't I Be You?" (I used to like "The Lovecats"), but I love their darker stuff, such as "A Forest", "Carnage Visors", "Grinding Halt", etc.
I also like The Sisters of Mercy, Joy Division, the Bunnymen, Bauhaus, and Depeche Mode. I have tried hard to get more into Siouxsie and the Banshees and Birthday Party as well as Lords of the New Church and The Damned.
Admittedly, I didn't listen to music growing up, even though the 80s were my era. I don't really know too much about the culture or the history, so I am a most pretentious poseur!
If you mention anything like Marilyn Manson, please go away. I have listened and I might listen to Marilyn Manson, but he isn't gothic rock as this thread means it.
Oh yeah, what is your interpretation of "The Killing Moon"? What lyrics support what parts of your interpretation, or how have you interpreted specific parts of the song?
Also, there's a huge variety of bands that fall under the Goth-rock genre, so it's not really wise to exclude any of them, at least until you give them a listen, you might end up surprised by what all you can find.
These are all good recommendations.
Some more:
Goth Metal - Dreadful Shadows and Zeraphine are two of my favorites. They share a lead singer (who also has an electronic/futurepopish band, Solar Fake). Dreadful Shadows is a bit more traditional goth, while Zeraphine takes some elements of Neue Deutsche Harte. Scream Silence and Down Below are both pretty good, as is Seraphim Shock
Goth Rock - Specimen, Bella Morte. She Wants Revenge is a good modern take on goth rock.
Electronic Goth/Darkwave - Clan of Xymox, Asylum Party, Veil Veil Vanish, Silke Bischoff
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I can't believe that I forgot Bella Morte.
If you want some fun goth-esque music, check out Voltaire.
If you're into industrial, shoot me a pm or something, and I can give you a list of bands that I enjoyed, and I can ask my fiance, because that's really her scene.
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"Fate, up against your will."
Your fate to die against your will to live.
Death is patient.
"He will wait until, you give yourself to him..."
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I have heard of TON and PL, but I know them to both be metal; I am no fan of their work or of gothic metal.
By all means, do continue to discuss gothic metal or whatever; but, you must excuse me if I am pickier and prefer more classical gothic music that heavily influenced and influenced post-punk and New Wave.
Interesting interpretation and not the first time I have read it. In fact, I also thought this was to do with death and fate or (edit: some form of) love (edit: or more, deeper than that) and, for the longest time, I thought this was haunting and sensual (could be because of McCulloch.....).
Some people on Song Meanings have written that McCulloch meant religion by the song. Can anyone see how that might be the case?
(By the way, if you read the Song Meanings comments, I love this interpretation: "this song is about a moon with a machine gun". XD)
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In the more rocky department of recommendations I would say that Lord of the Lost is one of the better new acts. It borders towards metal though, the songs I would recommend starting our with is: See You Soon, and Dry the Rain.
Also, for the electronic department, Blutengel is something that comes to mind.
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There is absolutely no shame in liking The Cure in any capacity. Robert Smith is one of the great song writers, cheezy stuff notwithstanding. Disintegration and Pornography are pure brilliance.
I used to listen to The Damned a lot. They have produced a great variety of material and it's always fun to listen to. A lot of it sounds pretty underproduced and almost homemade in a way. I really like Phantasmagoria and Anything.
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Of course there is no shame in liking The Cure.
I think The Damned are too high-energy and noisy for my liking. I like
The Cure becausedark wave.For instance,
The Cure's "A Forest" is gloomy but poppy, mesmerising without being mind-numbing and evocative without needing many dynamic or sonic changes in their rhythm or bass parts. This in fact means absolutely and is insubstantial; it's really just filled for something I can't put to words, either because I do not know what I do not know what I am talking about, what that je nais sais quoi is or the words for that je nais sais quoi. There's a quality that The Cure shares with bands such as Echo and Depeche in some of their songs.
Another excellent example is The Cure's "Lullaby".
By the by, thanks for your input and your appreciation of this sort of music, British music and all.
While I consider Type O Negative goth and like their work, I can understand why they can be considered gothic-metal. There is a vast difference between Type O and the Cure/Joy Division/Depeche Mode (a band who you described very accurately).
Speaking of Vast, you might consider checking them out (or him, I should I say). I don't really think of Vast as a goth band, but you can hear some influences there, particularly in his earlier work.
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Other bands I enjoy include Tristania, Cult of Luna, HIM, Moonspell, and Within Temptation.
Right, right. All I was saying it that it seems like mostly what you've asked for has been New Wave-influenced goth rock. If you'd like recommendations for good stuff a la Depeche Mode, that's pretty much where I live musically.
Urg, Blutengel. Blutengel is about as goth as Manson is.
I liked them a lot when I had only one of their albums (Labyrinth). Then I made the mistake of reaching out into a few more of their albums and realized that there's pretty much nil in the way of development or maturation between the albums. Literally 90% of their songs are about being a vampire or wanting to be a vampire, across the board.
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Tonight my listeners, a new power will rise,
unleashed upon you all in this musical disguise.
Your cities turn to ash, for the broadcast is cursed.
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If you choose my children, you can try to hide.
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I'm not into The Cure, but I love all of the other bands you mentioned, but most modern goth rock turns me off on all levels. Do you like Swans? Their 80s stuff is super heavy no wave industrial rock, but their 90s output was pretty akin to goth rock.
Better Than You
I Am the Sun
Failure
Their most recent stuff is more post-rock, but well-worth a listen.
No Words No Thoughts
The Seer
I also recommend Have a Nice Life, another band that isn't strictly speaking goth, but they do have a lot of 80s synth pop influence (as well as industrial, post-rock, and black metal).
Defenstration Song
Bloodhail
Earthmover
Indeed.
Wow, really? Um, I guess thanks, considering I don't really know anything about music.
Um, I'll definitely YouTube it, given your infectious enthusiasm and apparent expertise. Thanks for the recommendation.
Ninja edit: I could like VAST, but it isn't gothic or goth music as you said. It's sort of like ambient/synthpop (but not electropop)/dream pop/industrial rock/experimental rock/alternative rock. (FYI, I have only listened to "You", "Touched", and two other songs, so that could be reasonably characterised as a bad, unfair, inaccurate evaluation.) Regarding the other aspects of their music and their artistry, yeah, it isn't too crap, hahaaa.
You know, I am okay with metal, but I just don't like goth/gothic metal and its variants.
Any other bands like The Cure?
Also, seriously, who doesn't like The Cure?
Heard of all of them. The only ones I could come close to liking were Within Temptation and Tristania (surprising for me, because I like my music from the Isles or, to a lesser extent, other English-speaking nations [I am trying to move on from this]), in descending order. Maybe [I]de gustibus[/I] or whatever, maybe I could come to like the others.
I'll try you suggestions "Clan of Xymox, Asylum Party, Veil Veil Vanish, Silke Bischoff" in a sec. Thanks again for them.
Wow. Just wow.
I just realised something. I may have been unclear, but it really doesn't matter as you can discuss anything goth or gothic here. I really like New Wave-influenced gothic, which is in fact markedly different from electropop/synthpop gothic. For instance, (although it isn't actually gothic), Depeche Mode is clearly stylistically different from The Cure.
OMG, are you serious? Tell us about this!
Excellent, excellent. I think we would get on swimmingly and could host a bloc party, not that that really would be appropriate.
I can't say I dislike them, but I can't also say that my heart is jumping for joy when I hear them; this feeling really isn't limited to The Cure (:heart:).
There were two songs by Swans that I liked. Though that may be the case, I didn't really explore their music because of their band name.
Thanks, will try and may get back to you on this.
Well, I haven't really explored them too much outside of their radio hits. I did like that song they had on The Crow soundtrack, so if their darker output sounds like that, I might like it, but their poppy stuff doesn't do it for me. I also don't like The Smiths (besides How Soon is Now), but that has as much to do with Morrissey's personality and politics as their music.
Another recommendation: Rowland S Howard. After The Birthday Party split up, he went in a bit more accessible direction than Nick Cave.
Dead Radio
Speaking of Nick Cave, are you familiar with the Bad Seeds' guitarist's other band, Einsturzende Neubauten?
Haus der Luge
Those are the ones that are most similar to actual goth music.
If you want some stuff similar to Depeche Mode, I've got a ton of good suggestions:
Wolfsheim - Amazing synthpop act that broke up about ten years ago due to the lead singer wanting to start his own (worse) solo band. Best albums to check out would be "Spectators" and "Casting Shadows"
De/Vision - One of my absolute favorite bands, they consistently release excellent music (about one album every 18-24 months). Try "Two", "Monosex", "Subkutan", or "Unversed in Love" (the last being the most like golden-age Depeche Mode)
Zynic - Recent synthpop artist with a definite new-wavey flavor, particularly in the second release, "Blindsided"
Mr.Kitty - Current favorite band of mine. He releases everything privately as pay-what-you-want on Soundcloud/Bandcamp. Check out "LIFE" and "Eternity"
B! Machine - Amazingly chill, minimalistic synth stuff. I'm particularly fond of "Infinity Plus", but most of his stuff is good.
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I cannot suggest a particular method that will work for you when it comes to listening to their discography or a subset of it, as I neither had the patience or wisdom for asking anyone or doing my research. Instead, I commenced with their Greatest Hits, which included an acoustic-only bonus disc that only further cemented my opinion of the band. After that, I would go through tracks on albums - starting with the latest album of the time, Bloodflowers, followed by Three Imaginary Boys; Seventeen Seconds; The Head on the Door; Kiss Me, Kiss Me, Kiss Me - systematically, starting with track 1, then 2, then 3, and so on. Later, I listened to 1980's Seventeen Seconds, 1981's Faith, and 1982's Pornography, which were tonally darker and textually more richer.
Really, you might like The Cure, and I think it would be hasty and unfair to not give them a listening session of Greatest Hits and some of their albums (if you can't do that much, perhaps at least listen to "A Forest" and "The Hanging Garden").! If you do give them a try, do get back to us on how it went.
Wow, really? Fair do's.
Moz is an unique and colourful character, but I don't really let that influence my opinion of The Smiths or other works involving Moz, such as his solo career. Like them or not, which is entirely a person's prerogative, The Smiths are also an influential, but comparably 'underground', band, and Johnny Marr is a damn wizard with the guitar.
Although more post-rock than gothic rock, I am aware of Aussie Rowland S. Howard. In fact, I very don't mind "Dead Radio".
Yes, I am! I went through a phase of listening, though not exclusively, to works by KMFDM and Nine Inch Nails. I thought to look deeper than that and I came upon EN. I appreciate the entirety of their discography (till 2008, when I last listened to them), particularly their more gothic rock works. Indeed, they take the gothic rock in a more rock direction and heavily incorporate industrial rock stylistic elements and sensibilities.
Thanks for the recommendations!
I know it isn't the great thing to use, but I just Similar Artists'd Joy Division and The Cure (for ref.):
Mmm... Broodish English boys playing post-punk/New Wave/gothic rock. :knod:
I couldn't find any on the website of the dedicated, independent music store.
I guess I'll have to do a little more looking around.
Edit: Wolfsheim are awesome! Oh, yeah, how rude of me; thanks for these testimonials!
Edit 2: I have looked into
De/Vision and Zynicall of them now, and I like what I am hearing. These bandsthat I have looked into thus farare all excellent synthpop acts.Always glad to share. Like I said, this is basically where I live musically.
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I'm going to repeat my suggestion of the Cruxshadows as well. They are pretty much THE darkwave band, and it's super obvious how influenced they were by Depeche Mode/The Cure/etc.
If you really want something beautiful and obscure: Klaus Nomi. AMAZING artist, superb musicianship and vocal range. It's a shame that he is free of this mortal coil.
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