One quick note about the Winter Soldier (Character) and on Sitwell:
I don't think the reveal went how they thought it would go. Maybe half the audience recognized who he was supposed to be, everyone else was like 'Who is that'?
It was probably the hair.
I think you're right about Sitwell, Kaburi. I'm just glad they did something interesting with his character.
(and given what we know of Ultron's creation thus far) seems to be a big topic in the film.
I've not watched the trailer yet, but I will, but I was curious as to this statement. Outside of anything in Cap. America 2 what do we know about Ultron's creation thus far? I've seen all the new Marvel movies multiple times and I have noticed zero on his creation. If I missed some Easter Eggs or some obscure dialogue please let me know!
you need to watch the documentary for tidbits on Ultron and *gasp* hulk buster.
as for the movie, way better then the first but feels too much like Pirates of the Caribbean 2, where it feels like a big set up for CA3. (hack the whole after teaser teaser feels like a teaser trailer to CA3)
though i'm really glad for the shout out to Dr. Strange which means that besides the cosmic universe Marvels planing on exploring their mystic universe as well. though since RDJ is currently iron man im not sure who could take up the mantle.
finally Marvel need to take back their rights to Deadpool, come on i want a buddy(?) series with Deadpool and bob.
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BS, I get your annoyance with the evil old white guy thing, but there are reasons why it worked out that way (and also why Red Skull wasn't in the teaser). Aleksander Lukin filled Alexander Pierce's role in the comic's version of the story, and was brainwashed into being the Red Skull. This requires a lot of Russian backstory that would have been confusing for a two hour movie, so it made more sense to keep it internal to SHIELD. I really like the idea of operation paperclip bringing former Hydra scientists into the new SHIELD, starting the infiltration.
Oh, that's another thing. The red star on the Winter Soldier's shoulder and the Russian intelligence file at the end are completely out-of-context in the MCU. They make sense to you and me because we know how the Winter Soldier comic story went down and the central involvement of the Soviets in that. But if I were watching this cold, I'd just be confused by the connection that doesn't lead anywhere.
Also, Black Widow says she worked for the "KGB". Unless she too is much older than she looks, that is highly unlikely.
The first movie is pretty clear they're an entirely different fascist regime that was using the Nazis for their own ends. Given 60 years, I can see them having a small number inside SHIELD. I think the actual Hydra in SHIELD was relatively small (the Strike Team, Insight Crew, Pierce and a few agents like Sitwell), with the majority of Hydra being cells like we saw in the stinger with Strucker or Gary Shandling's Senator earlier in the film.
There were over a dozen men in the elevator with Cap. The visible helicarrier crew looked like eight or ten, times three, and I presume that even with advanced automation it takes a larger full crew than that to run a helicarrier. And there were enough infiltrators in the control room to make it a chaotic Mexican standoff. Even if that's literally every Hydra mole in SHIELD, that's a lot of people to have to walk up to and say, "Would you be at all interested in betraying your country* and joining the exact same sinister Nazi cabal this organization was founded to oppose?"
*Or perhaps world? The World Security Council thing makes it seem like SHIELD is not an arm of the US government.
I concede the point on Hydra. They're essentially modern Nazis.
As far as how much they infiltrated SHIELD, I still feel like they were in key positions where they could do 'bad things'. The men in the control room were only about 5 strike team members, it's just everyone else in the room were techs so only a few armed guards remained.
The Black Widow in the KGB comment was pretty dumb, unless in-universe she has had some kind of infinity formula. The other Russian elements of the Winter Soldier also made no sense, good catch. The Russian connections are there, but they changed it to Hydra finding him, so it makes no sense. The only explanation I can come up with is that it's Russian tech or a Russian Hydra cell.
*I understand how much of a reach all of this is. It's ultimately a comic book, so I don't truly care how they got so many people, but still. Considering we're on Movie 9 of the Marvel Cinematic Universe, we've still got less continuity snarl than any other franchise.
Edit: Something I didn't catch, the Senator that briefly appears with Sitwell is the same Senator from Iron Man 2.
Decent movie, ill give it a B- rating. For reference i gave frozen a B+ so that is pretty good.
So what would be an example of an A rated movie on your scale? Just curious.
Back on topic, I like the use of current world issues in the movie. A much lighter hearted version of the Dark Knight but still engages the crowd to think about the concepts of surveillance from a Snowden/NSA perspective. Otherwise, the action scenes were solid as were the fight choreographing.
Falcon was a nice addition, I would love to see him in Avengers 2 in some capacity
A very solid movie in my eyes. If I were to rate it it would be a B+ to A-
Just got back from watching it. I enjoyed the movie a lot. I've never really paid to much attention to the Captain America books when I was growing up, hell even now. So for me, the movies seem to be a bit more enjoyable. I don't feel myself nitpicking about things if i was watching, oh, any X-men movie.
One question though:
It's been a while since I watched The Avengers. But how does Baron Von Dingleberry get a hold of Loki's staff he used? I imagine the staff was probably found by one of his guys in the destruction? or taken from Stark Tower somehow?
Just got back from watching it. I enjoyed the movie a lot. I've never really paid to much attention to the Captain America books when I was growing up, hell even now. So for me, the movies seem to be a bit more enjoyable. I don't feel myself nitpicking about things if i was watching, oh, any X-men movie.
One question though:
It's been a while since I watched The Avengers. But how does Baron Von Dingleberry get a hold of Loki's staff he used? I imagine the staff was probably found by one of his guys in the destruction? or taken from Stark Tower somehow?
I'll answer that question.
Remember in the Avengers when they confronted loki after the portal closed? Black Widow had the staff, I'm assuming she'd turned it over to S.H.I.E.L.D and they sent it to "The Fridge" for testing.
And since HYDRA infiltrated S.H.I.E.L.D, they had agents literally, EVERYWHERE. Including the fridge.
Judging by the end of the film, it seems HYDRA has control over that facility. And connecting it with Agents of SHIELD TV show, looks like the Clairvoyant is on his way there (that's where they were taking him originally.)
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Remember in the Avengers when they confronted loki after the portal closed? Black Widow had the staff, I'm assuming she'd turned it over to S.H.I.E.L.D and they sent it to "The Fridge" for testing.
And since HYDRA infiltrated S.H.I.E.L.D, they had agents literally, EVERYWHERE. Including the fridge.
Judging by the end of the film, it seems HYDRA has control over that facility. And connecting it with Agents of SHIELD TV show, looks like the Clairvoyant is on his way there (that's where they were taking him originally.)
Doesn't Agent Hand say that the Fridge is still secure in the last episode? I guess we'll find out soon.
Is the stone Loki's staff an infinity stone? It seems to be a separate entity than the tesseract.
That's the prevailing theory post-Avengers, that it's the Mind Gem, while the tesseract is the Space Gem and the Aether is the Power Gem. It also fits their general colors. I imagine the Soul Gem will be the Subject of Phase 3's Doctor Strange, with Time or Reality either in Guardians of the Galaxy or another Phase 3 film.
The only confirmed Gems are the Tesseract and the Aether, however, with a third to be revealed in Guardians.
I'm not certain that they will, at least for the major players (Fandral and Rhodes being two examples of supporting recasts). Either Marvel Studios will re-up with the actors they want to continue with (and likely with significant raises if the MCU continues to be a financial juggernaut), use actors they likely can't re-up with sparingly, or replace characters in organic ways when actors' contracts expire. For instance, Chris Evans only has two pictures left and has long indicated that his interest in continuing on is waning meanwhile Sebastian Stan was signed to a potential nine pictures and we all know how the Captain America/Winter Soldier dynamic played out for a brief time in the comics. RDJ, on the other hand, is at the end of his contract as of next year's Age of Ultron and IM3 seemingly tied up his solo stories with a neat bow. Yet RDJ himself is a huge champion of the MCU and thoroughly enjoys playing Iron Man. He even personally escorted dozens of kids to the CA2WS opening show as Tony Stark literally just because. If any of the expiring actors is going to lobby for resigning, it's him. And he has the charisma, clout and star power to get his way.
But even if they don't, I think Feige is planning for it. That's the reason we're seeing so many Marvel characters filtering into existing franchises. They don't have the name recognition of the MCU's current crop of major players but remember that Iron Man, Captain America and Thor weren't huge names outside of comic nerds prior to Phase One, either. Now all three are able to carry franchises, and I'm betting Feige is counting on characters like Dr Strange, Black Widow, Ms Marvel, Ant-Man and others we're looking at being introduced to in the next couple of years. We still have a couple of years before Thor and Captain America reach their third (and potentially - last) installments, and leading up to that we have another Avengers, Guardians of the Galaxy and Ant-Man with Cap 3, Thor 3 and likely Doctor Strange all safe/sure bets before Avengers 3. We've got a long way to go and a lot of new faces to meet. I know it seems impossible now to think of a new crop replacing the familiar faces, but six years ago it seemed impossible for the MCU to be what it is right now.
And Marvel has recently proven that is has no problem shaking up its universe.
It's a brilliant plan and has been very well executed so far on Marvel's part. The biggest question in my mind (other than people just getting tired of superheroes altogether) is whether seven or eight years from now, people will buy into a Marvel universe whose headliners are the likes of Ant-Man, Hawkeye, Dr Strange, and War Machine.
Of course, if RDJ stays on then that helps *a lot*. In my mind he's a linchpin for the entire universe with his natural charisma, star power, and talent as an actor. As much credit as I give the studio for having a great plan and actually making solid movies, a large portion of the success of the entire film universe has to go to RDJ himself. There's no question that Iron Man is the film that made everything else possible, and a huge part of the success of that film was the casting of RDJ. The argument could easily be made that without him, there is no Marvel Universe film franchise (at least not anywhere close to what it has become). I think Chris Pratt also has the charisma to become an important figure, but it depends on the success of Guardians of the Galaxy and how much they integrate it with the rest of the universe.
finally Marvel need to take back their rights to Deadpool, come on i want a buddy(?) series with Deadpool and bob.
This! So very much this! I want my deadpool movie! He's become so popular in the comic book world recently, and Fox went and messed with him! He deserves to take his name back...and eat some chimichangas while breaking down the fourth wall so many times.
Sorry a bit off topic.
On topic, I'll need those spoilers:
Why does Hydra have Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch? Is Marvel going to get their rights back for mutants? I can't really see how this is going to turn out. Just a little lost as to what this will lead to. I'm assuming Ultron, but are we going to see more mutants?
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Why does Hydra have Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch? Is Marvel going to get their rights back for mutants? I can't really see how this is going to turn out. Just a little lost as to what this will lead to. I'm assuming Ultron, but are we going to see more mutants?
I do not expect Marvel to get their rights to the X-Men franchise back any time soon. It does not appear that Marvel is expecting to either. Fox is busily making money on X-Men movies and shows no sign of wanting to give that up. The reason Marvel can use Quicksilver and the Scarlet Witch in Age of Ultron is because the characters are established in the Avengers franchise as well as the X-Men. The main purpose of this stinger seems to be to indicate that they have a different origin story, so they can be Avengers without being mutants. Between that, and Agents of SHIELD's repeated insistence that there are absolutely no known instances of psychic powers on Earth, I think Marvel is sending a pretty clear message that their Cinematic Universe does not include the mutant phenomenon in any capacity - the X-Men aren't just offscreen somewhere, they don't exist.
And as I've said before, I think this is actually for the best, even if it is the result of red tape rather than a deliberate creative decision. The X-Men need a universe dedicated to them and their problems in order to work right; "what about all those mutants?" is a sort of elephant-in-the-room question in a lot of non-X-Men Marvel stories.
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finally Marvel need to take back their rights to Deadpool, come on i want a buddy(?) series with Deadpool and bob.
This! So very much this! I want my deadpool movie! He's become so popular in the comic book world recently, and Fox went and messed with him! He deserves to take his name back...and eat some chimichangas while breaking down the fourth wall so many times.
Sorry a bit off topic.
On topic, I'll need those spoilers:
Why does Hydra have Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch? Is Marvel going to get their rights back for mutants? I can't really see how this is going to turn out. Just a little lost as to what this will lead to. I'm assuming Ultron, but are we going to see more mutants?
ugghh, thou should not remind us the atrosity that was Fox sewing Deadpool mouth shut. (seriously what were they thinking)
anyway
from what has been speculated they will be bringing in QSW as inhumans. maybe there would be info on this in GotG not likely though it would more likely have a Nova cameo :/
as for the mutants problem in the Marvel universe, i always believe that the other heroes are actually xenophobic, considering they need the whole no more mutants debacle to "fix" it.
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from what has been speculated they will be bringing in QSW as inhumans. maybe there would be info on this in GotG not likely though it would more likely have a Nova cameo :/
as for the mutants problem in the Marvel universe, i always believe that the other heroes are actually xenophobic, considering they need the whole no more mutants debacle to "fix" it.
Sorry, Gareth:
Fox owns the rights to the Inhumans, too. Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch can't be them, either.
Fox owns the rights to the Inhumans, too. Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch can't be them, either.
Marvel probably will hand wave SW powers as "Magic", but could also say that she was born with an ability that allowed her to reach out and access the use of magic.
On the note of that, and at risk of going slightly off-topic, I have a theory I believe about a future movie (Not cap. america). Note that whats in the spoilers below is NOT mine. It was over on reddit a little while back and actually brings up a lot of solid points.
I'm going with Doctor Strange. Here's why.
Super heroes (and villains) typically fall into one of three categories: Tech, Meta, and Magic. (Those of you who play DC Universe Online know where I'm going with this.) So far, Marvel has given us two out of three of those categories.
X-Men was the launching point and mutation falls under Meta. The other Sony movie franchises continue to use Meta heroes; Spider-Man and the Fantastic Four are all Meta, as are the Wolverine movies. You've also got Hulk, Captain America, and even Daredevil. The Meta hero movies introduced the concept of people being more than human.
Then Marvel got into Iron Man as the anchor for the Tech hero. Sure, you can go back and get Punisher and Elektra too, but Iron Man was really the tent pole. Through The Avengers you also get Black Widow and Hawkeye (who was also in Thor), and the upcoming Ant-Man movie is also Tech.
This all gives us a foundation for super-high technology at a level we've never seen before, but made "practical" in the context of the movies.
Now we're starting to touch Magic with Thor being the obvious poster boy. We've seen magic before Thor — but only once, with Ghost Rider, and neither film was particularly well received. See, magic-based movies are often hard to sell to an audience because they're so hard to relate to. Meta isn't that alien to us since fundamentally it's about human (or humanoid) creatures. We've all seen "superhuman" feats in real life, like a martial arts expert breaking a concrete block, so it's not difficult for us to imagine a reality where a man can have unbreakable bones. Ditto with Tech; we've all been blown away at one point or another with some kind of technology that seemed too good to be true. But Magic? The only thing we've got are Vegas magicians and nobody takes them seriously.
And I think Marvel knows this. Remember the first Thor movie? Thor said that he comes from a place where magic and science are the same thing. So we've got our anchor; we're "allowed" to see magic as another form of science — call it "magiology" — and Thor's universe can leverage that to give us things like the Tesseract and Mjölnir and we accept it.
But here's the thing: It's still magic. And we haven't seen "pure magic" come out of Marvel studios. Yet. So now we've got an audience that has already accepted Meta and Tech and has a foundation for Magic already in place. Only, we don't have a magician. Enter: Doctor Strange. He's the obvious candidate. He's got a rich backstory and an origin not unlike Tony Stark in many ways, but more importantly he's the magician in the Marvel universe. He was also a New Avenger so there's no reason why he couldn't also work with the movie Avengers. Marvel has long acknowledged that the Avengers lineup in the movies is not a static thing.
So, yeah. I'm going with Doctor Strange. I think Marvel is going to use Strange as the "replacement tent pole" for Iron Man and base a whole new reality of Marvel movies in the Magic universe.
Finally saw Cap II over the Easter weekend. Very entertaining. Not on the level of Avengers or the first Iron Man IMHO, but better than the rest of the MCU movies to date. It was fun, had good action, and the right amount of humour. As others have said, Black Widow and Cap are a good pairing and Nick Fury/Cap is also an interesting dynamic now that Cap has adjusted to the modern era.
Despite the fact this his powers are inherently goofy, they did a decent job with Falcon. There's still not much you can do when a guy's powers are literally "he wears a suit with wings", but his characterization and back-story were well done.
The action/fights scenes were great, and Cap was suitably bad-ass. The elevator scene was cool with a nice little build-up.
The scene with Zola did not work for me. Too convoluted just for a big plot dump scene. A secret room inside another secret room that just happens to be the place where Cap was created, it's too cute. And why introduce Zola just to kill him 2 mins later? Of course maybe he turns out to not be dead, but Redford sure thought he was dead. He was in this movie just for the sole purpose of telling Cap what Hydras evil plan was, and then die. I wish they could have found a better way to get this information across besides the classic "bad guy tells the hero his entire plan because he thinks he's going to die" cliche.
Essentially, the deal is that they both can use the characters, but cant use the "properties". Fox can't use Avengers, and Disney (still seems weird), cant use Mutants and the like. I would perfer to have Disney have the rights, but I enjoy how its been ruled as the best choice for now.
I saw Cap 2 a second time last night. Had some more thoughts...
-Question for Agents of SHIELD fans: does it make any sense for May, Ward, and Coulson to have a higher rank than Captain America and Black Widow? The AoS agents are levels 7, 7, and 8(respectively) while the movie agents are both level 6(It was Pierce who says this to the Winter Soldier in the kitchen scene). To an extent I can understand why Cap would have a lower rank. His moral compass is an asset at times but a huge burden at other times. But Romanov is clearly a high level specialist and seems at least as experienced as May. Her being a foreign national wouldn't matter to Nick Fury so her somewhat low rank makes no sense. Maybe it was just a writer's flub but it seems weird that two of the greatest heroes are only one level above Fitz and Simmons.
-The Worf effect bothered me even more this time. I'm not a huge Black Widow fan but if I were unaware of the trope that plagued her throughout Cap 2 I would assume she's an incompetent agent. She already got Worf'ed in The Avengers so that Hulk's fight with Thor would seem more badass. In Cap 2 she's utterly competent until some big action sequence or plot mover needs to happen and then we get reminded that she's just some frail human and that Cap is the hero.
-There was a ton of Apple and Chevy advertising. I laughed so hard when I saw that the fake cops AND Nick Fury were all driving Tahoes! Then Cap and Black Widow escape in a Silverado. The Apple advertising is so pervasive now that I look for people without iPhones or MacBooks in movies now.
-The writing of Black Widow needs to make up its mind. Is she someone born in the modern era or is she, like the Winter Soldier and Captain America, all that remains of a bygone era? Zola said she was born in 1984 and even if that's a lie she wouldn't deny that yet Pierce made it clear that she had some secrets that she wouldn't want released. If he means agent stuff then a lot of people are going to have blacker eyes than her. Who is the Black Widow and what are her deep, dark secrets?
I saw Cap 2 a second time last night. Had some more thoughts...
-Question for Agents of SHIELD fans: does it make any sense for May, Ward, and Coulson to have a higher rank than Captain America and Black Widow? The AoS agents are levels 7, 7, and 8(respectively) while the movie agents are both level 6(It was Pierce who says this to the Winter Soldier in the kitchen scene). To an extent I can understand why Cap would have a lower rank. His moral compass is an asset at times but a huge burden at other times. But Romanov is clearly a high level specialist and seems at least as experienced as May. Her being a foreign national wouldn't matter to Nick Fury so her somewhat low rank makes no sense. Maybe it was just a writer's flub but it seems weird that two of the greatest heroes are only one level above Fitz and Simmons.
The way I understand it, is that Cap and Black Widow can have a lower rank because they aren't SHIELD agents/employees. They're outside specialists that SHIELD happens to hire from time to time and are not a part of the actual command structure.
-The Worf effect bothered me even more this time. I'm not a huge Black Widow fan but if I were unaware of the trope that plagued her throughout Cap 2 I would assume she's an incompetent agent. She already got Worf'ed in The Avengers so that Hulk's fight with Thor would seem more badass. In Cap 2 she's utterly competent until some big action sequence or plot mover needs to happen and then we get reminded that she's just some frail human and that Cap is the hero.
I'll have to watch it again and see how I feel. I thought Black Widow actually came off ok, certainly not incompetent. She gave Winter Soldier a few licks and managed to escape without injury, which isn't a bad deal when the movie sets him up as the villain that is too strong for anyone but Cap. For a second stringer (which she, Hawkeye, and Falcon all are) she does a lot better than the other two on the whole.
I'm not certain that they will, at least for the major players (Fandral and Rhodes being two examples of supporting recasts). Either Marvel Studios will re-up with the actors they want to continue with (and likely with significant raises if the MCU continues to be a financial juggernaut), use actors they likely can't re-up with sparingly, or replace characters in organic ways when actors' contracts expire. For instance, Chris Evans only has two pictures left and has long indicated that his interest in continuing on is waning meanwhile Sebastian Stan was signed to a potential nine pictures and we all know how the Captain America/Winter Soldier dynamic played out for a brief time in the comics. RDJ, on the other hand, is at the end of his contract as of next year's Age of Ultron and IM3 seemingly tied up his solo stories with a neat bow. Yet RDJ himself is a huge champion of the MCU and thoroughly enjoys playing Iron Man. He even personally escorted dozens of kids to the CA2WS opening show as Tony Stark literally just because. If any of the expiring actors is going to lobby for resigning, it's him. And he has the charisma, clout and star power to get his way.
But even if they don't, I think Feige is planning for it. That's the reason we're seeing so many Marvel characters filtering into existing franchises. They don't have the name recognition of the MCU's current crop of major players but remember that Iron Man, Captain America and Thor weren't huge names outside of comic nerds prior to Phase One, either. Now all three are able to carry franchises, and I'm betting Feige is counting on characters like Dr Strange, Black Widow, Ms Marvel, Ant-Man and others we're looking at being introduced to in the next couple of years. We still have a couple of years before Thor and Captain America reach their third (and potentially - last) installments, and leading up to that we have another Avengers, Guardians of the Galaxy and Ant-Man with Cap 3, Thor 3 and likely Doctor Strange all safe/sure bets before Avengers 3. We've got a long way to go and a lot of new faces to meet. I know it seems impossible now to think of a new crop replacing the familiar faces, but six years ago it seemed impossible for the MCU to be what it is right now.
And Marvel has recently proven that is has no problem shaking up its universe.
It's a brilliant plan and has been very well executed so far on Marvel's part. The biggest question in my mind (other than people just getting tired of superheroes altogether) is whether seven or eight years from now, people will buy into a Marvel universe whose headliners are the likes of Ant-Man, Hawkeye, Dr Strange, and War Machine.
Of course, if RDJ stays on then that helps *a lot*. In my mind he's a linchpin for the entire universe with his natural charisma, star power, and talent as an actor. As much credit as I give the studio for having a great plan and actually making solid movies, a large portion of the success of the entire film universe has to go to RDJ himself. There's no question that Iron Man is the film that made everything else possible, and a huge part of the success of that film was the casting of RDJ. The argument could easily be made that without him, there is no Marvel Universe film franchise (at least not anywhere close to what it has become). I think Chris Pratt also has the charisma to become an important figure, but it depends on the success of Guardians of the Galaxy and how much they integrate it with the rest of the universe.
I've often wondered why more movies can't pull off the Bond transition. James bond has been played by numerous actor's without the franchise even acknowledging it in the slightest. Why can't MCU (Or DCU for that matter) do the same? Yes, RDJ is iconic as iron man now. But he'll get old and Tony stark shouldn't.
It helps that the 007 franchise has a continuity that is loose at best. With the exception of Quantum of Solace, you can easily imagine any Bond movie standing on its own.
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It was probably the hair.
I think you're right about Sitwell, Kaburi. I'm just glad they did something interesting with his character.
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you need to watch the documentary for tidbits on Ultron and *gasp* hulk buster.
as for the movie, way better then the first but feels too much like Pirates of the Caribbean 2, where it feels like a big set up for CA3. (hack the whole after teaser teaser feels like a teaser trailer to CA3)
though i'm really glad for the shout out to Dr. Strange which means that besides the cosmic universe Marvels planing on exploring their mystic universe as well. though since RDJ is currently iron man im not sure who could take up the mantle.
finally Marvel need to take back their rights to Deadpool, come on i want a buddy(?) series with Deadpool and bob.
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Also, Black Widow says she worked for the "KGB". Unless she too is much older than she looks, that is highly unlikely.
Call a spade a spade.
There were over a dozen men in the elevator with Cap. The visible helicarrier crew looked like eight or ten, times three, and I presume that even with advanced automation it takes a larger full crew than that to run a helicarrier. And there were enough infiltrators in the control room to make it a chaotic Mexican standoff. Even if that's literally every Hydra mole in SHIELD, that's a lot of people to have to walk up to and say, "Would you be at all interested in betraying your country* and joining the exact same sinister Nazi cabal this organization was founded to oppose?"
*Or perhaps world? The World Security Council thing makes it seem like SHIELD is not an arm of the US government.
Yup. He's apparently already on SHIELD's radar, which is a bit interesting.
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As far as how much they infiltrated SHIELD, I still feel like they were in key positions where they could do 'bad things'. The men in the control room were only about 5 strike team members, it's just everyone else in the room were techs so only a few armed guards remained.
The Black Widow in the KGB comment was pretty dumb, unless in-universe she has had some kind of infinity formula. The other Russian elements of the Winter Soldier also made no sense, good catch. The Russian connections are there, but they changed it to Hydra finding him, so it makes no sense. The only explanation I can come up with is that it's Russian tech or a Russian Hydra cell.
*I understand how much of a reach all of this is. It's ultimately a comic book, so I don't truly care how they got so many people, but still. Considering we're on Movie 9 of the Marvel Cinematic Universe, we've still got less continuity snarl than any other franchise.
Edit: Something I didn't catch, the Senator that briefly appears with Sitwell is the same Senator from Iron Man 2.
Also:
http://io9.com/10-things-in-the-cinematic-marvel-universe-that-make-n-1560243876
And for those of you who've seen the movie, all the references in the film explained:
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So what would be an example of an A rated movie on your scale? Just curious.
Falcon was a nice addition, I would love to see him in Avengers 2 in some capacity
A very solid movie in my eyes. If I were to rate it it would be a B+ to A-
One question though:
It's been a while since I watched The Avengers. But how does Baron Von Dingleberry get a hold of Loki's staff he used? I imagine the staff was probably found by one of his guys in the destruction? or taken from Stark Tower somehow?
I'll answer that question.
And since HYDRA infiltrated S.H.I.E.L.D, they had agents literally, EVERYWHERE. Including the fridge.
Judging by the end of the film, it seems HYDRA has control over that facility. And connecting it with Agents of SHIELD TV show, looks like the Clairvoyant is on his way there (that's where they were taking him originally.)
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That's the prevailing theory post-Avengers, that it's the Mind Gem, while the tesseract is the Space Gem and the Aether is the Power Gem. It also fits their general colors. I imagine the Soul Gem will be the Subject of Phase 3's Doctor Strange, with Time or Reality either in Guardians of the Galaxy or another Phase 3 film.
The only confirmed Gems are the Tesseract and the Aether, however, with a third to be revealed in Guardians.
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It's a brilliant plan and has been very well executed so far on Marvel's part. The biggest question in my mind (other than people just getting tired of superheroes altogether) is whether seven or eight years from now, people will buy into a Marvel universe whose headliners are the likes of Ant-Man, Hawkeye, Dr Strange, and War Machine.
Of course, if RDJ stays on then that helps *a lot*. In my mind he's a linchpin for the entire universe with his natural charisma, star power, and talent as an actor. As much credit as I give the studio for having a great plan and actually making solid movies, a large portion of the success of the entire film universe has to go to RDJ himself. There's no question that Iron Man is the film that made everything else possible, and a huge part of the success of that film was the casting of RDJ. The argument could easily be made that without him, there is no Marvel Universe film franchise (at least not anywhere close to what it has become). I think Chris Pratt also has the charisma to become an important figure, but it depends on the success of Guardians of the Galaxy and how much they integrate it with the rest of the universe.
This! So very much this! I want my deadpool movie! He's become so popular in the comic book world recently, and Fox went and messed with him! He deserves to take his name back...and eat some chimichangas while breaking down the fourth wall so many times.
Sorry a bit off topic.
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And as I've said before, I think this is actually for the best, even if it is the result of red tape rather than a deliberate creative decision. The X-Men need a universe dedicated to them and their problems in order to work right; "what about all those mutants?" is a sort of elephant-in-the-room question in a lot of non-X-Men Marvel stories.
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ugghh, thou should not remind us the atrosity that was Fox sewing Deadpool mouth shut. (seriously what were they thinking)
anyway
from what has been speculated they will be bringing in QSW as inhumans. maybe there would be info on this in GotG not likely though it would more likely have a Nova cameo :/
as for the mutants problem in the Marvel universe, i always believe that the other heroes are actually xenophobic, considering they need the whole no more mutants debacle to "fix" it.
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On the note of that, and at risk of going slightly off-topic, I have a theory I believe about a future movie (Not cap. america). Note that whats in the spoilers below is NOT mine. It was over on reddit a little while back and actually brings up a lot of solid points.
I'm going with Doctor Strange. Here's why.
Super heroes (and villains) typically fall into one of three categories: Tech, Meta, and Magic. (Those of you who play DC Universe Online know where I'm going with this.) So far, Marvel has given us two out of three of those categories.
X-Men was the launching point and mutation falls under Meta. The other Sony movie franchises continue to use Meta heroes; Spider-Man and the Fantastic Four are all Meta, as are the Wolverine movies. You've also got Hulk, Captain America, and even Daredevil. The Meta hero movies introduced the concept of people being more than human.
Then Marvel got into Iron Man as the anchor for the Tech hero. Sure, you can go back and get Punisher and Elektra too, but Iron Man was really the tent pole. Through The Avengers you also get Black Widow and Hawkeye (who was also in Thor), and the upcoming Ant-Man movie is also Tech.
This all gives us a foundation for super-high technology at a level we've never seen before, but made "practical" in the context of the movies.
Now we're starting to touch Magic with Thor being the obvious poster boy. We've seen magic before Thor — but only once, with Ghost Rider, and neither film was particularly well received. See, magic-based movies are often hard to sell to an audience because they're so hard to relate to. Meta isn't that alien to us since fundamentally it's about human (or humanoid) creatures. We've all seen "superhuman" feats in real life, like a martial arts expert breaking a concrete block, so it's not difficult for us to imagine a reality where a man can have unbreakable bones. Ditto with Tech; we've all been blown away at one point or another with some kind of technology that seemed too good to be true. But Magic? The only thing we've got are Vegas magicians and nobody takes them seriously.
And I think Marvel knows this. Remember the first Thor movie? Thor said that he comes from a place where magic and science are the same thing. So we've got our anchor; we're "allowed" to see magic as another form of science — call it "magiology" — and Thor's universe can leverage that to give us things like the Tesseract and Mjölnir and we accept it.
But here's the thing: It's still magic. And we haven't seen "pure magic" come out of Marvel studios. Yet. So now we've got an audience that has already accepted Meta and Tech and has a foundation for Magic already in place. Only, we don't have a magician. Enter: Doctor Strange. He's the obvious candidate. He's got a rich backstory and an origin not unlike Tony Stark in many ways, but more importantly he's the magician in the Marvel universe. He was also a New Avenger so there's no reason why he couldn't also work with the movie Avengers. Marvel has long acknowledged that the Avengers lineup in the movies is not a static thing.
So, yeah. I'm going with Doctor Strange. I think Marvel is going to use Strange as the "replacement tent pole" for Iron Man and base a whole new reality of Marvel movies in the Magic universe.
540 Peasant cube- Gold EditionSomething SpicyDespite the fact this his powers are inherently goofy, they did a decent job with Falcon. There's still not much you can do when a guy's powers are literally "he wears a suit with wings", but his characterization and back-story were well done.
The action/fights scenes were great, and Cap was suitably bad-ass. The elevator scene was cool with a nice little build-up.
The scene with Zola did not work for me. Too convoluted just for a big plot dump scene. A secret room inside another secret room that just happens to be the place where Cap was created, it's too cute. And why introduce Zola just to kill him 2 mins later? Of course maybe he turns out to not be dead, but Redford sure thought he was dead. He was in this movie just for the sole purpose of telling Cap what Hydras evil plan was, and then die. I wish they could have found a better way to get this information across besides the classic "bad guy tells the hero his entire plan because he thinks he's going to die" cliche.
Nick Fury's tombstone was a very cool easter egg.
Are you sure about that? The only things I find when trying to google this seem to contradict.
540 Peasant cube- Gold EditionSomething Spicy-Question for Agents of SHIELD fans: does it make any sense for May, Ward, and Coulson to have a higher rank than Captain America and Black Widow? The AoS agents are levels 7, 7, and 8(respectively) while the movie agents are both level 6(It was Pierce who says this to the Winter Soldier in the kitchen scene). To an extent I can understand why Cap would have a lower rank. His moral compass is an asset at times but a huge burden at other times. But Romanov is clearly a high level specialist and seems at least as experienced as May. Her being a foreign national wouldn't matter to Nick Fury so her somewhat low rank makes no sense. Maybe it was just a writer's flub but it seems weird that two of the greatest heroes are only one level above Fitz and Simmons.
-The Worf effect bothered me even more this time. I'm not a huge Black Widow fan but if I were unaware of the trope that plagued her throughout Cap 2 I would assume she's an incompetent agent. She already got Worf'ed in The Avengers so that Hulk's fight with Thor would seem more badass. In Cap 2 she's utterly competent until some big action sequence or plot mover needs to happen and then we get reminded that she's just some frail human and that Cap is the hero.
-There was a ton of Apple and Chevy advertising. I laughed so hard when I saw that the fake cops AND Nick Fury were all driving Tahoes! Then Cap and Black Widow escape in a Silverado. The Apple advertising is so pervasive now that I look for people without iPhones or MacBooks in movies now.
-The writing of Black Widow needs to make up its mind. Is she someone born in the modern era or is she, like the Winter Soldier and Captain America, all that remains of a bygone era? Zola said she was born in 1984 and even if that's a lie she wouldn't deny that yet Pierce made it clear that she had some secrets that she wouldn't want released. If he means agent stuff then a lot of people are going to have blacker eyes than her. Who is the Black Widow and what are her deep, dark secrets?
I've often wondered why more movies can't pull off the Bond transition. James bond has been played by numerous actor's without the franchise even acknowledging it in the slightest. Why can't MCU (Or DCU for that matter) do the same? Yes, RDJ is iconic as iron man now. But he'll get old and Tony stark shouldn't.
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