If I see the movie, it will be as if the EU did not exist. I will have wasted several weeks of my life reading the books.
The EU doesn't exist. It's entirely fictional. It's exactly as fictional now as it was a year ago. Nothing anyone says or does or writes can make it any more or less fictional than it already is. If you derived enjoyment from reading this fiction, no one can take that away from you.
What really annoys me is that the EU is getting obliterated, but Star Wars the Clone Wars, with its ridiculousness like bringing Dark Maul back to life, counts as canon.
Hasn't the EU resurrected Darth Maul like three times?
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Valanarch, I don't think you have very much experience with this concept of an expanded universe.
The fact that there's more than one continuity does not somehow erase the others from existence. It just simply means there's another person telling the story. In the history of literature there have been numerous retellings of the same story. Comics are another example, stories like the origins of particular heroes have been told and retold in different ways over and over again. Indeed, any given author will have a different interpretation of a character.
So, yeah, J. J. Abrams is going to go off and do his own thing with the Star Wars Universe. And I imagine someone's going to tell a different episode 7-9 most likely with a different cast and different stories. And yes, we have this large expanded universe that existed between the original trilogy and the prequel films. All of these are separate interpretations on Star Wars. But you still have them. It's not like they vanish into thin air just because Abrams is doing something different.
The problem is that I cannot accept the new Star Wars movies as actual Star Wars without discounting the EU as canon. I will not enjoy the films unless if I recognize them as actual Star Wars. And even if I did, it would be tainted with the bitterness of me knowing that those films are what ruined a line of great books that I spent a large amount of time on.
Valanarch, I don't think you have very much experience with this concept of an expanded universe.
The fact that there's more than one continuity does not somehow erase the others from existence. It just simply means there's another person telling the story. In the history of literature there have been numerous retellings of the same story. Comics are another example, stories like the origins of particular heroes have been told and retold in different ways over and over again. Indeed, any given author will have a different interpretation of a character.
So, yeah, J. J. Abrams is going to go off and do his own thing with the Star Wars Universe. And I imagine someone's going to tell a different episode 7-9 most likely with a different cast and different stories. And yes, we have this large expanded universe that existed between the original trilogy and the prequel films. All of these are separate interpretations on Star Wars. But you still have them. It's not like they vanish into thin air just because Abrams is doing something different.
The problem is that I cannot accept the new Star Wars movies as actual Star Wars without discounting the EU as canon. I will not enjoy the films unless if I recognize them as actual Star Wars. And even if I did, it would be tainted with the bitterness of me knowing that those films are what ruined a line of great books that I spent a large amount of time on.
It's impossible for something to retroactively take away enjoyment. You read the EU and enjoyed it. That enjoyment is gone, done, over, cannot be brought back, therefore cannot be destroyed.
The problem is that I cannot accept the new Star Wars movies as actual Star Wars without discounting the EU as canon.
Again, you don't seem to understand the concept of multiple continuities.
And even if I did, it would be tainted with the bitterness of me knowing that those films are what ruined a line of great books that I spent a large amount of time on.
How does it ruin the books? The books are a completely separate continuity from the movies.
The problem is that I cannot accept the new Star Wars movies as actual Star Wars without discounting the EU as canon.
Again, you don't seem to understand the concept of multiple continuities.
No, I cannot. I have always viewed them as one universe. Now I can't.
And even if I did, it would be tainted with the bitterness of me knowing that those films are what ruined a line of great books that I spent a large amount of time on.
How does it ruin the books? The books are a completely separate continuity from the movies.
The EU is no longer canon because of those movies. That is how the movies ruined the books.
If I see the movie, it will be as if the EU did not exist. I will have wasted several weeks of my life reading the books.
The EU doesn't exist. It's entirely fictional. It's exactly as fictional now as it was a year ago. Nothing anyone says or does or writes can make it any more or less fictional than it already is. If you derived enjoyment from reading this fiction, no one can take that away from you.
What really annoys me is that the EU is getting obliterated, but Star Wars the Clone Wars, with its ridiculousness like bringing Dark Maul back to life, counts as canon.
Hasn't the EU resurrected Darth Maul like three times?
It hasn't resurrected the actual Darth Maul. It has cloned him or had computer programs based off of him, but that is slightly more believable than his surviving being chopped in half and falling into a bottomless pit (I know that the pit had a bottom, but it still was too high for him to survive, even if he did catch the edge).
No, I cannot. I have always viewed them as one universe. Now I can't.
They never were one universe.
That doesn't change my perception of them.
- There were three movies released between 1977-1983.
- There was the expanded universe that was the product of many writers up until Episode 1.
- Then there's George Lucas revisiting Star Wars with a new set of movies (which contradict the previous films as well as the EU).
- Then there's the expanded universe around those films.
- There's the comic series that's based on George Lucas' original draft of the first Star Wars movie.
- Then there's J. J. Abrams' films.
- I have no doubt there will be expanded universe material for those.
ALL of those are separate continuities.
Actually, the comic series has been discounted for years, both expanded universes are the same canon, and both sets of movies are in the same canon. And at the very least the EU and the movies are supposed to coexist in the same universe.
The EU is no longer canon because of those movies.
Even if there were one unified canon, why would that matter?[/quote]
It matters to me because I love the EU and them rebooting that doesn't sit will with me. If I watched Episode VII, then I would be thinking "This is the movie that uncanonized the books that I love." I wouldn't like it just because of that.
Valanarch, I don't think you have very much experience with this concept of an expanded universe.
The fact that there's more than one continuity does not somehow erase the others from existence. It just simply means there's another person telling the story. In the history of literature there have been numerous retellings of the same story. Comics are another example, stories like the origins of particular heroes have been told and retold in different ways over and over again. Indeed, any given author will have a different interpretation of a character.
So, yeah, J. J. Abrams is going to go off and do his own thing with the Star Wars Universe. And I imagine someone's going to tell a different episode 7-9 most likely with a different cast and different stories. And yes, we have this large expanded universe that existed between the original trilogy and the prequel films. All of these are separate interpretations on Star Wars. But you still have them. It's not like they vanish into thin air just because Abrams is doing something different.
The problem is that I cannot accept the new Star Wars movies as actual Star Wars without discounting the EU as canon. I will not enjoy the films unless if I recognize them as actual Star Wars. And even if I did, it would be tainted with the bitterness of me knowing that those films are what ruined a line of great books that I spent a large amount of time on.
It's impossible for something to retroactively take away enjoyment. You read the EU and enjoyed it. That enjoyment is gone, done, over, cannot be brought back, therefore cannot be destroyed.
That is true. But the problem is that any more EU books that I read will not be the same. If I accept the Star Wars movies as canon, I will enjoy the EU less because it doesn't count anymore.
What I am really annoyed about is this. Darth Maul is alive. Boba Fett is dead.
Hasn't the EU resurrected Darth Maul like three times?
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The problem is that I cannot accept the new Star Wars movies as actual Star Wars without discounting the EU as canon. I will not enjoy the films unless if I recognize them as actual Star Wars. And even if I did, it would be tainted with the bitterness of me knowing that those films are what ruined a line of great books that I spent a large amount of time on.
Storm Crow is strictly worse than Seacoast Drake.
It's impossible for something to retroactively take away enjoyment. You read the EU and enjoyed it. That enjoyment is gone, done, over, cannot be brought back, therefore cannot be destroyed.
How does it ruin the books? The books are a completely separate continuity from the movies.
No, I cannot. I have always viewed them as one universe. Now I can't.
The EU is no longer canon because of those movies. That is how the movies ruined the books.
Storm Crow is strictly worse than Seacoast Drake.
It hasn't resurrected the actual Darth Maul. It has cloned him or had computer programs based off of him, but that is slightly more believable than his surviving being chopped in half and falling into a bottomless pit (I know that the pit had a bottom, but it still was too high for him to survive, even if he did catch the edge).
Storm Crow is strictly worse than Seacoast Drake.
- There were three movies released between 1977-1983.
- There was the expanded universe that was the product of many writers up until Episode 1.
- Then there's George Lucas revisiting Star Wars with a new set of movies (which contradict the previous films as well as the EU).
- Then there's the expanded universe around those films.
- There's the comic series that's based on George Lucas' original draft of the first Star Wars movie.
- Then there's J. J. Abrams' films.
- I have no doubt there will be expanded universe material for those.
ALL of those are separate continuities.
Even if there were one unified canon, why would that matter?
That doesn't change my perception of them.
Actually, the comic series has been discounted for years, both expanded universes are the same canon, and both sets of movies are in the same canon. And at the very least the EU and the movies are supposed to coexist in the same universe.
Even if there were one unified canon, why would that matter?[/quote]
It matters to me because I love the EU and them rebooting that doesn't sit will with me. If I watched Episode VII, then I would be thinking "This is the movie that uncanonized the books that I love." I wouldn't like it just because of that.
Storm Crow is strictly worse than Seacoast Drake.
That is true. But the problem is that any more EU books that I read will not be the same. If I accept the Star Wars movies as canon, I will enjoy the EU less because it doesn't count anymore.
What I am really annoyed about is this. Darth Maul is alive. Boba Fett is dead.
Storm Crow is strictly worse than Seacoast Drake.
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