I wouldn't be against taking the penny out of circulation. $19.99 is just a cheap psychological trick to make you think that it is less than $20 or the store can legally advertise less than $20.
However, that is derailing the conversation about tipping.
Tying tips to part of the minimum wage seems like some cheap trick that should just be taken away. I do not care if it does lead to better service or not. Problem is, if I was to make a one person boycott against tipping, it wouldn't fare so well. Would need everyone to do it to make employers pay what they should. Or try to petition congress to pass legislation (like they would pass ANY legislation) to get rid of this "loop hole".
Y'all should carefully read this series of articles.
I stopped reading at this:
"Other operators in town, fully aware of how tips poison restaurants, knew we were enjoying an edge. Some of our colleagues resented this, and lashed out in some ways, including that of telling local journalists and bloggers that we were lying about the food we were serving. I assume that this is because those restaurants couldn’t serve the kind of food we did and still take tips, because tips are so wasteful."
It was plainly obvious that I wasn't going to get any valuable observations out if it.
You should have kept reading. It was actually quite insightful (although I agree that particular line was a bit odd).
For those not reading along at home, his points are essentially:
1) Removing tipping made the restraunt more profitable
2) Tipping is often a cause of significant bias that has little to do with service (IE tipping is often racist)
3) People often tip the roughly the same for mediocre service as good service; any sane waiter looks to increase their # tables (even if it makes their service worse) to increase tip volume
etc.
Interesting stuff. Although obviously some of it might be confirmation bias.
Y'all should carefully read this series of articles.
I stopped reading at this:
"Other operators in town, fully aware of how tips poison restaurants, knew we were enjoying an edge. Some of our colleagues resented this, and lashed out in some ways, including that of telling local journalists and bloggers that we were lying about the food we were serving. I assume that this is because those restaurants couldn’t serve the kind of food we did and still take tips, because tips are so wasteful."
It was plainly obvious that I wasn't going to get any valuable observations out if it.
You should have kept reading. It was actually quite insightful (although I agree that particular line was a bit odd).
For those not reading along at home, his points are essentially:
1) Removing tipping made the restraunt more profitable
2) Tipping is often a cause of significant bias that has little to do with service (IE tipping is often racist)
3) People often tip the roughly the same for mediocre service as good service; any sane waiter looks to increase their # tables (even if it makes their service worse) to increase tip volume
etc.
Interesting stuff. Although obviously some of it might be confirmation bias.
I think the reason B_S stopped reading was similar to my thought process: "this guy clearly has an agenda, so we're not going to get an unbiased view of tipping from this article." I mean, just follow the article author's logic. If tipping is so "wasteful" and the other restaurant operator's know it "poison[s] restaurants," then why don't those operators just follow suit and abolish tipping at their restaurants? There would have to be some kind of anti-tipping conspiracy if this guy's view of the world is accurate.
That said, the three drawbacks you identified probably exist to some degree. Certainly there are both positives and negatives to tipping. So the solution is to let each restaurant set its own rules (which is how things work now). The solution is not to ban tipping altogether.
The blog thing is clearly just one guy's opinion but the research papers he linked to in his later parts are worth a read.
In a related question...how do you guys tip (less/more/none) in restaurants where you don't have a single designated server? For example, in many Chinese restaurants you have essentially all the waiters wandering around, responding to guest requests and so I assume anything you tip gets shared amongst the whole wait staff. How does that style of waiter-ing modify your tipping behaviour?
In a related question...how do you guys tip (less/more/none) in restaurants where you don't have a single designated server? For example, in many Chinese restaurants you have essentially all the waiters wandering around, responding to guest requests and so I assume anything you tip gets shared amongst the whole wait staff. How does that style of waiter-ing modify your tipping behaviour?
I would tip based on the average quality of service, unless the restaurant discouraged tipping. Basically I'd pretend it was the same person serving me the whole time and tip accordingly.
Obviously the rationale for tipping is weaker at an establishment like that, but still, having tips on the line should provide some amount of extra incentive to the owner and servers to keep the quality of service high. However, if the restaurant wanted to abolish tipping, I would not have a problem with that. I'm not arguing tipping should be mandatory at every restaurant, I'm just saying it shouldn't be banned.
In a related question...how do you guys tip (less/more/none) in restaurants where you don't have a single designated server? For example, in many Chinese restaurants you have essentially all the waiters wandering around, responding to guest requests and so I assume anything you tip gets shared amongst the whole wait staff. How does that style of waiter-ing modify your tipping behaviour?
I would tip based on the average quality of service, unless the restaurant discouraged tipping. Basically I'd pretend it was the same person serving me the whole time and tip accordingly.
Obviously the rationale for tipping is weaker at an establishment like that, but still, having tips on the line should provide some amount of extra incentive to the owner and servers to keep the quality of service high. However, if the restaurant wanted to abolish tipping, I would not have a problem with that. I'm not arguing tipping should be mandatory at every restaurant, I'm just saying it shouldn't be banned.
Sure, banning tipping is probably not very productive, but many European and Asian countries don't have to ban tipping to not have a tipping culture or just have a set service charge added to the bill. When I was visiting Japan, I never noticed a reduction in service quality even though you don't tip there.
Purely as an anecdote....sometimes there are drawbacks to having one designated server. Once I was just finishing up my meal at a restaurant and wanted the bill, but I just couldn't get my server's attention. She was just too busy dealing with multiple tables of 8+ and we were a table of 2. I get that I was pretty low on the priority list but it was quite annoying at that time. I couldn't even get other waiter's attention coz I wasn't their table....anyways, the point I was trying to make is that if your designated server forgot about you (for whatever reason), it can be quite aggravating.
I somehow doubt that when businesses stopping the $X.99 thing will cause the government to stop maintaining pennies
It'll make it less necessary. Right now the argument is that they're still necessary for business transactions.
In many other countries, they include Tax and round. It saves a lot of money from printing coins that are more expensive to make than they're worth.
Even if pennies were abolished, many businesses would still do the x.99 thing. First of all, a large and growing fraction of people pay by credit card. Second, they'll just round to the nearest nickel at the end of a cash transaction, but when you're buying multiple items it still matters. 5 x $9.99 = 49.95. 5 x $9.95 = $49.75. That's $0.20 difference. That adds up over thousands of transactions.
I think the reason B_S stopped reading was similar to my thought process: "this guy clearly has an agenda, so we're not going to get an unbiased view of tipping from this article."
Everybody's got an agenda. But when you start talking about an actual malicious conspiracy against you (over tipping, no less), that indicates a level of disconnect from reality that casts grave doubt onto any observations you may make.
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That is true, Blink. But He does also site a number of studies on the effects of tipping. The racism on both sides of the equation (Both servers being less willing to serve black customers due to expected low tips, and the customers on average tipping black staff less) appear to be reasonably well established.
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About $58 million dollars a year from the Federal Government having to maintain the penny.
I know that isn't exactly what you meant, but by not rounding out prices it wastes time and money for everyone.
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However, that is derailing the conversation about tipping.
Tying tips to part of the minimum wage seems like some cheap trick that should just be taken away. I do not care if it does lead to better service or not. Problem is, if I was to make a one person boycott against tipping, it wouldn't fare so well. Would need everyone to do it to make employers pay what they should. Or try to petition congress to pass legislation (like they would pass ANY legislation) to get rid of this "loop hole".
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You should have kept reading. It was actually quite insightful (although I agree that particular line was a bit odd).
For those not reading along at home, his points are essentially:
1) Removing tipping made the restraunt more profitable
2) Tipping is often a cause of significant bias that has little to do with service (IE tipping is often racist)
3) People often tip the roughly the same for mediocre service as good service; any sane waiter looks to increase their # tables (even if it makes their service worse) to increase tip volume
etc.
Interesting stuff. Although obviously some of it might be confirmation bias.
I think the reason B_S stopped reading was similar to my thought process: "this guy clearly has an agenda, so we're not going to get an unbiased view of tipping from this article." I mean, just follow the article author's logic. If tipping is so "wasteful" and the other restaurant operator's know it "poison[s] restaurants," then why don't those operators just follow suit and abolish tipping at their restaurants? There would have to be some kind of anti-tipping conspiracy if this guy's view of the world is accurate.
That said, the three drawbacks you identified probably exist to some degree. Certainly there are both positives and negatives to tipping. So the solution is to let each restaurant set its own rules (which is how things work now). The solution is not to ban tipping altogether.
In a related question...how do you guys tip (less/more/none) in restaurants where you don't have a single designated server? For example, in many Chinese restaurants you have essentially all the waiters wandering around, responding to guest requests and so I assume anything you tip gets shared amongst the whole wait staff. How does that style of waiter-ing modify your tipping behaviour?
I would tip based on the average quality of service, unless the restaurant discouraged tipping. Basically I'd pretend it was the same person serving me the whole time and tip accordingly.
Obviously the rationale for tipping is weaker at an establishment like that, but still, having tips on the line should provide some amount of extra incentive to the owner and servers to keep the quality of service high. However, if the restaurant wanted to abolish tipping, I would not have a problem with that. I'm not arguing tipping should be mandatory at every restaurant, I'm just saying it shouldn't be banned.
Sure, banning tipping is probably not very productive, but many European and Asian countries don't have to ban tipping to not have a tipping culture or just have a set service charge added to the bill. When I was visiting Japan, I never noticed a reduction in service quality even though you don't tip there.
Purely as an anecdote....sometimes there are drawbacks to having one designated server. Once I was just finishing up my meal at a restaurant and wanted the bill, but I just couldn't get my server's attention. She was just too busy dealing with multiple tables of 8+ and we were a table of 2. I get that I was pretty low on the priority list but it was quite annoying at that time. I couldn't even get other waiter's attention coz I wasn't their table....anyways, the point I was trying to make is that if your designated server forgot about you (for whatever reason), it can be quite aggravating.
I somehow doubt that when businesses stopping the $X.99 thing will cause the government to stop maintaining pennies
It'll make it less necessary. Right now the argument is that they're still necessary for business transactions.
In many other countries, they include Tax and round. It saves a lot of money from printing coins that are more expensive to make than they're worth.
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Even if pennies were abolished, many businesses would still do the x.99 thing. First of all, a large and growing fraction of people pay by credit card. Second, they'll just round to the nearest nickel at the end of a cash transaction, but when you're buying multiple items it still matters. 5 x $9.99 = 49.95. 5 x $9.95 = $49.75. That's $0.20 difference. That adds up over thousands of transactions.
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