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Unless the entire degree is just "be a member of the Basketball team", you still run into the same issue. Someone who is good at playing Basketball (or Baseball or Gymnastics, etc.) is not necessarily any more interested in learning the history, cultural relevance or business of that sport, than they are interested in learning about Geology or Algebra.
If we can manage to create degree programs for dance, I'm sure we can manage to create a degree program in basketball.
I certainly don't know all the details of every program in every university in North America, but my assumption is that Dance programs still contain other classes that are more than just practicing and performing (ie dance theory, history of dance, dance therapy, etc).
This doesn't solve the problem for a player who is a "natural" athlete in a given sport, but has no interest in attending any sort of classes. What this person needs is a competitive, professional minor league system to participate in that has no academic requirements attached to it (baseball for example, has an extensive minor league system). Unfortunately the schools have usurped that role in society almost completely for certain sports (ie football/basketball), and because of the money attached to it, will not be quick to share it.
I don't know why we pretend college sports and real college degrees should be joined together... Let colleges have a sports major that allows kids to participate in college sports without forcing them to attempt to go through a major they do not want and probably will never use.
Do you think being able to read is a useless skill that people probably will never use?
Not at all... but if someone is 18-19 years old and still does not know how to read after making it through the public school system I don't see how shoving them into College classes is going to help them. If anything those kids are the ones that need sports more than anyone else. For a lot of these kids the choice is either make it in a pro sports team or either join a gang or be stuck in minimum wage work and poverty for the rest of their lives. Those kids that can't keep up academically are the ones that need those sports programs the most and you want to take that opportunity away from them? For what purpose? So some less talented but better schooled kids get that chance and can go be backups in pro sports instead of holding mid wage office jobs?
In a perfect world we wouldn't have sports in college and instead their would be minor league teams loosely associated with schools setup in such a way that players in those teams could study at the school if they wanted to. That is not how it works though. It will never be that way because there is too much money in it for schools to give up their teams and fan bases like the attachment to the schools. Because of this I see allowing athletes of college age to play on the teams without attending the school (and not earning a degree) to be a perfectly reasonable compromise. Yes, it kind of turns college sports into minor league farm teams... but that's pretty much what they are anyway.
I certainly don't know all the details of every program in every university in North America, but my assumption is that Dance programs still contain other classes that are more than just practicing and performing (ie dance theory, history of dance, dance therapy, etc).
This doesn't solve the problem for a player who is a "natural" athlete in a given sport, but has no interest in attending any sort of classes. What this person needs is a competitive, professional minor league system to participate in that has no academic requirements attached to it (baseball for example, has an extensive minor league system). Unfortunately the schools have usurped that role in society almost completely for certain sports (ie football/basketball), and because of the money attached to it, will not be quick to share it.
I'm not sure I believe that these athletes have "no interest in attending any sort of classes". I suspect that many would attend classes that are relevant to their ambitions.
I certainly don't know all the details of every program in every university in North America, but my assumption is that Dance programs still contain other classes that are more than just practicing and performing (ie dance theory, history of dance, dance therapy, etc).
This doesn't solve the problem for a player who is a "natural" athlete in a given sport, but has no interest in attending any sort of classes. What this person needs is a competitive, professional minor league system to participate in that has no academic requirements attached to it (baseball for example, has an extensive minor league system). Unfortunately the schools have usurped that role in society almost completely for certain sports (ie football/basketball), and because of the money attached to it, will not be quick to share it.
I'm not sure I believe that these athletes have "no interest in attending any sort of classes". I suspect that many would attend classes that are relevant to their ambitions.
Just to expand on what Tiax is saying... Keep in mind many of these "students" are in a position where they could very quickly go from being dirt poor nobodies to multi-millionair public figures. They have to deal with agents, and finances that a few short years ago they had no concept of. If we need to give these kids classes give them classes to deal with the real life problems they are going to face. Teach them about finances and saving money (something they probably have never even had the chance to do). Teach them about the business of sports and what they are in for if they get drafted. Teach them about social media and the possible ***** storms they could create for themselves once they are in the public eye. All of those things would give them a better chance of success that their talents alone cannot give them and also exposes them to potential non-sport playing options to further their education and careers if they so choose later. Especially since for many of these players even if they are legitimately taking classes and doing well they will not get their degrees because often times coming out as a junior means making more money than finishing school. What good does it do anyone to have student athletes get 3/4ths of a degree?
Unless the entire degree is just "be a member of the Basketball team", you still run into the same issue. Someone who is good at playing Basketball (or Baseball or Gymnastics, etc.) is not necessarily any more interested in learning the history, cultural relevance or business of that sport, than they are interested in learning about Geology or Algebra.
Perhaps if we stop pretending that these young persons will always listen about the "glory of an education" and instead allow them to make money so they can feed their poverty stricken families and so forth and connect that to a hard days work with the education in hand. Then we can have more personal branding and other business activities from these players. Magic Johnson was a player and he's a businessman. Jay-Z was a thug, and he's a reputable businessman now since he started his own record label.
People learn because they're told they have to, people need the money and need a skill, learn for the joy of it, or all those factors combined. When you stop masquerading around as do-gooding and go to the specific person and say "What do you want right now, and what do you want to do for tomorrow" and then let them plan things out and understand the pitfalls. Then you will have a better system.
That and one of the biggest things I hate is that people go off to college to play football, then end up studying history education and become the history-football coach synch. That needs to go away, because coaches that have to miss classes and so forth should just be coaches then.
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I certainly don't know all the details of every program in every university in North America, but my assumption is that Dance programs still contain other classes that are more than just practicing and performing (ie dance theory, history of dance, dance therapy, etc).
This doesn't solve the problem for a player who is a "natural" athlete in a given sport, but has no interest in attending any sort of classes. What this person needs is a competitive, professional minor league system to participate in that has no academic requirements attached to it (baseball for example, has an extensive minor league system). Unfortunately the schools have usurped that role in society almost completely for certain sports (ie football/basketball), and because of the money attached to it, will not be quick to share it.
I'm not sure I believe that these athletes have "no interest in attending any sort of classes". I suspect that many would attend classes that are relevant to their ambitions.
And if they don't? Changing the course or program doesn't alter the situation. Schools have proven that they are unwilling to sacrifice the performance of their athletic teams in order to support academic standards. The only difference is that instead of athletes having a watered down "Geology" course on their timetable they would have a different watered down course, or an entire watered down, meaningless program. There must be a better solution than that somewhere.
I certainly don't know all the details of every program in every university in North America, but my assumption is that Dance programs still contain other classes that are more than just practicing and performing (ie dance theory, history of dance, dance therapy, etc).
This doesn't solve the problem for a player who is a "natural" athlete in a given sport, but has no interest in attending any sort of classes. What this person needs is a competitive, professional minor league system to participate in that has no academic requirements attached to it (baseball for example, has an extensive minor league system). Unfortunately the schools have usurped that role in society almost completely for certain sports (ie football/basketball), and because of the money attached to it, will not be quick to share it.
I'm not sure I believe that these athletes have "no interest in attending any sort of classes". I suspect that many would attend classes that are relevant to their ambitions.
And if they don't? Changing the course or program doesn't alter the situation. Schools have proven that they are unwilling to sacrifice the performance of their athletic teams in order to support academic standards. The only difference is that instead of athletes having a watered down "Geology" course on their timetable they would have a different watered down course, or possibly an entire watered down, meaningless program.
Why should we care? If we let the schools not give them degrees... what difference does it make to everyone else? How is this such a big deal? Let athletes be athletes. We should not try to force them to also be something else if they don't want to be. If we let them be athletes and not lie about it (not give them credit for classes). I don't see what the problem is. Instead of giving them scholarships for a degree they don't want let the school's pay them.
I only see 3 options... either we continue the way it is and every few years we'll hear about another scandal. We remove the academic requirement from participation in college athletics. Or we completely eliminate college athletics which will piss off the schools as they lose a major revenue stream, will piss off the parents whose kids now have to choose between going to school or going to play for minor league teams and piss off students that have to choose between short term gains in sports and a long term future.
I personally am opposed to the the whole concept of a focus in colleges on sports. You are at colleges to learn. I don't even support sports scholarships, so I certainly don't support this.
I personally am opposed to the the whole concept of a focus in colleges on sports. You are at colleges to learn. I don't even support sports scholarships, so I certainly don't support this.
Why isn't sports a thing you can learn about in college?
I do know one thing for certain: the NCAA will not hand out the death penalty. They did that once to SMU in the early 1980s due to scandals with the oil industry, and it completely ruined the program. They won't terminate the basketball and footballs programs at UNC, but the programs will be left very close to death.
I certainly don't know all the details of every program in every university in North America, but my assumption is that Dance programs still contain other classes that are more than just practicing and performing (ie dance theory, history of dance, dance therapy, etc).
This doesn't solve the problem for a player who is a "natural" athlete in a given sport, but has no interest in attending any sort of classes. What this person needs is a competitive, professional minor league system to participate in that has no academic requirements attached to it (baseball for example, has an extensive minor league system). Unfortunately the schools have usurped that role in society almost completely for certain sports (ie football/basketball), and because of the money attached to it, will not be quick to share it.
I'm not sure I believe that these athletes have "no interest in attending any sort of classes". I suspect that many would attend classes that are relevant to their ambitions.
And if they don't? Changing the course or program doesn't alter the situation. Schools have proven that they are unwilling to sacrifice the performance of their athletic teams in order to support academic standards. The only difference is that instead of athletes having a watered down "Geology" course on their timetable they would have a different watered down course, or possibly an entire watered down, meaningless program.
Why should we care? If we let the schools not give them degrees... what difference does it make to everyone else? How is this such a big deal? Let athletes be athletes. We should not try to force them to also be something else if they don't want to be. If we let them be athletes and not lie about it (not give them credit for classes). I don't see what the problem is. Instead of giving them scholarships for a degree they don't want let the school's pay them.
I only see 3 options... either we continue the way it is and every few years we'll hear about another scandal. We remove the academic requirement from participation in college athletics. Or we completely eliminate college athletics which will piss off the schools as they lose a major revenue stream, will piss off the parents whose kids now have to choose between going to school or going to play for minor league teams and piss off students that have to choose between short term gains in sports and a long term future.
You realize that there are students who are good academically and good at sports, I'm pretty sure these two things aren't mutually exclusive. I think the goal for colleges is to turn every student they enroll into one of those. Except the culture has always been to screw the books and keep ballin. There is just not enough regulation for colleges against this sort of thing so the colleges do what makes them the most money, which is fake classes for everyone.
You realize that there are students who are good academically and good at sports, I'm pretty sure these two things aren't mutually exclusive. I think the goal for colleges is to turn every student they enroll into one of those. Except the culture has always been to screw the books and keep ballin. There is just not enough regulation for colleges against this sort of thing so the colleges do what makes them the most money, which is fake classes for everyone.
I dont think any schools are forcing their more academically gifted athletes to take fake classes and that is not at all what I was suggesting. All I am saying is that for those students that are not good at school but are forced to go to school if they want to play sports, stop pretending that they are good at school and stop forcing them to take the classes that students who want real degrees need to take. Keep in mind that a lot of the students that are good enough for the pros will not finish their degrees anyway.
All I am saying is that for those students that are not good at school but are forced to go to school if they want to play sports, stop pretending that they are good at school and stop forcing them to take the classes that students who want real degrees need to take
I agree this is where the real problem is. We have a system where people who want to play pro sports, and are talented enough to play pro sports, are forced to go through this intermediate step (college/university) that contains all sorts of extra rules and regulations unrelated to playing sports. Because Colleges and Universities are at their core, not sporting institutions, they are educational institutions with sports on the side (at least in theory).
These "students" should not be in school if they are not interested in an education. They should be playing minor league sports. The NFL and NBA should have minor league systems to accommodate these players that don't require going to school, and don't have rules/regulations that are only there to benefit the NCAA. Students that actually want an education and want to play sports can go to college/university while those that just want to play sports and are good enough, should be able to do that.
These "students" should not be in school if they are not interested in an education. They should be playing minor league sports. The NFL and NBA should have minor league systems to accommodate these players that don't require going to school, and don't have rules/regulations that are only there to benefit the NCAA. Students that actually want an education and want to play sports can go to college/university while those that just want to play sports and are good enough, should be able to do that.
There are a couple problems with trying to make separate systems. One, universities make way too much money on their sports programs and the sports programs have to much support and popularity to ever willingly give up sports. Secondly, if you try to run college sports along side minor league programs you'll end up with the opposite problem... kids that do want degrees and are perfectly capable of doing well in school will end up having to choose between going to school and a worse chance at their pro dreams and going into the minor leagues and not getting a degree for a better chance of going pro. There is not enough talent to go around in college sports as it is and you already have players "fall through the cracks" and go undrafted or drafted low because they played in a conference that was perceived to be weak.
I really don't see what the problem is of letting universities and colleges basically run the minor league teams and allow both students and non-students(using age requirements) to play on those teams.
You guys are forgetting the reasoning for the age limits in pro sports. The NBA has an age limit because players who've spent a year at college will have had experience handling money, so they'll be better prepared for the seven-figure salaries they'll get as rookies. Paper classes are a problem because people who don't know how to read and write will inevitably have problems during their careers in sports, but the colleges are at fault there for not offering extra support to struggling athletes instead.
You guys are forgetting the reasoning for the age limits in pro sports. The NBA has an age limit because players who've spent a year at college will have had experience handling money, so they'll be better prepared for the seven-figure salaries they'll get as rookies.
That's nothing but a line, and even if it were true it would be a terrible reason. "We're preventing you from earning millions of dollars because we don't think you're mature enough to handle that much money" is not a valid argument. The actual reason would be more along the lines of the NBA and NCAA being in bed together to maintain the status quo because they like their monopoly and the amount of money it brings them.
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There are a couple problems with trying to make separate systems. One, universities make way too much money on their sports programs and the sports programs have to much support and popularity to ever willingly give up sports.
I agree this would be a problem, but the schools not wanting it doesn't mean it's not the right choice.
Secondly, if you try to run college sports along side minor league programs you'll end up with the opposite problem... kids that do want degrees and are perfectly capable of doing well in school will end up having to choose between going to school and a worse chance at their pro dreams and going into the minor leagues and not getting a degree for a better chance of going pro.
I don't know, no system is perfect but it seems to work relatively ok for Baseball and Hockey. Players still get drafted from college/university all the time in those sports, but not exclusively from college/university.
I really don't see what the problem is of letting universities and colleges basically run the minor league teams and allow both students and non-students(using age requirements) to play on those teams.
Something like this might prove workable but only if the NCAA was willing to make major concessions for these teams and/or give up jurisdiction over them. Players should have a viable alternative to being forced through the NCAA system. Allowing them to play alongside NCAA students on a team run by an NCAA school doesn't sound like much of one to me.
You guys are forgetting the reasoning for the age limits in pro sports. The NBA has an age limit because players who've spent a year at college will have had experience handling money, so they'll be better prepared for the seven-figure salaries they'll get as rookies. Paper classes are a problem because people who don't know how to read and write will inevitably have problems during their careers in sports, but the colleges are at fault there for not offering extra support to struggling athletes instead.
Not even close... Nothing about college (unless you are taking econ/business classes) has anything to do with learning how to handle money. Being in college, if anything, gives these kids less responsibility with money because the school literally provides everything for those top athletes (since they can't be paid).
@brasswire, who is saying the non-student athletes have to be outside the rules of the NCAA? Is there something special about the NCAA that makes them unable to handle non-students?
All I am saying is that for those students that are not good at school but are forced to go to school if they want to play sports, stop pretending that they are good at school and stop forcing them to take the classes that students who want real degrees need to take
I agree this is where the real problem is. We have a system where people who want to play pro sports, and are talented enough to play pro sports, are forced to go through this intermediate step (college/university) that contains all sorts of extra rules and regulations unrelated to playing sports. Because Colleges and Universities are at their core, not sporting institutions, they are educational institutions with sports on the side (at least in theory).
These "students" should not be in school if they are not interested in an education. They should be playing minor league sports. The NFL and NBA should have minor league systems to accommodate these players that don't require going to school, and don't have rules/regulations that are only there to benefit the NCAA. Students that actually want an education and want to play sports can go to college/university while those that just want to play sports and are good enough, should be able to do that.
All I am saying is that for those students that are not good at school but are forced to go to school if they want to play sports, stop pretending that they are good at school and stop forcing them to take the classes that students who want real degrees need to take
I agree this is where the real problem is. We have a system where people who want to play pro sports, and are talented enough to play pro sports, are forced to go through this intermediate step (college/university) that contains all sorts of extra rules and regulations unrelated to playing sports. Because Colleges and Universities are at their core, not sporting institutions, they are educational institutions with sports on the side (at least in theory).
These "students" should not be in school if they are not interested in an education. They should be playing minor league sports. The NFL and NBA should have minor league systems to accommodate these players that don't require going to school, and don't have rules/regulations that are only there to benefit the NCAA. Students that actually want an education and want to play sports can go to college/university while those that just want to play sports and are good enough, should be able to do that.
how do you determine if you are pro calibre before college? hs football? I don't think there is a way to tell if yyou're good enough to play pro with out being in a college team. i dont think 50% of players make it to pro level. what happens to the people that went all in on sports because they were always told they are pro quality then have itblow up in their faCE? their lives would be ruined without a proper education
how do you determine if you are pro calibre before college? hs football? I don't think there is a way to tell if yyou're good enough to play pro with out being in a college team. i dont think 50% of players make it to pro level. what happens to the people that went all in on sports because they were always told they are pro quality then have itblow up in their faCE? their lives would be ruined without a proper education
They're not getting a proper education right now either. That's what this whole thread is about. Also, the idea that someone is ruining their life by delaying their schooling by a couple years is just ludicrous.
how do you determine if you are pro calibre before college? hs football? I don't think there is a way to tell if yyou're good enough to play pro with out being in a college team. i dont think 50% of players make it to pro level. what happens to the people that went all in on sports because they were always told they are pro quality then have itblow up in their faCE? their lives would be ruined without a proper education
A lot of these kids wouldn't even get into college without sports scholarships anyway... are you saying that everyone who does not go to college has their life ruined?
I personally am opposed to the the whole concept of a focus in colleges on sports. You are at colleges to learn. I don't even support sports scholarships, so I certainly don't support this.
Why isn't sports a thing you can learn about in college?
I have nothing against learning about sports. Your proposed system seemed pretty decent. My problem is with people getting into colleges for stuff other than academics (and yes, I would consider learning about sports to be academics).
I certainly don't know all the details of every program in every university in North America, but my assumption is that Dance programs still contain other classes that are more than just practicing and performing (ie dance theory, history of dance, dance therapy, etc).
This doesn't solve the problem for a player who is a "natural" athlete in a given sport, but has no interest in attending any sort of classes. What this person needs is a competitive, professional minor league system to participate in that has no academic requirements attached to it (baseball for example, has an extensive minor league system). Unfortunately the schools have usurped that role in society almost completely for certain sports (ie football/basketball), and because of the money attached to it, will not be quick to share it.
Not at all... but if someone is 18-19 years old and still does not know how to read after making it through the public school system I don't see how shoving them into College classes is going to help them. If anything those kids are the ones that need sports more than anyone else. For a lot of these kids the choice is either make it in a pro sports team or either join a gang or be stuck in minimum wage work and poverty for the rest of their lives. Those kids that can't keep up academically are the ones that need those sports programs the most and you want to take that opportunity away from them? For what purpose? So some less talented but better schooled kids get that chance and can go be backups in pro sports instead of holding mid wage office jobs?
In a perfect world we wouldn't have sports in college and instead their would be minor league teams loosely associated with schools setup in such a way that players in those teams could study at the school if they wanted to. That is not how it works though. It will never be that way because there is too much money in it for schools to give up their teams and fan bases like the attachment to the schools. Because of this I see allowing athletes of college age to play on the teams without attending the school (and not earning a degree) to be a perfectly reasonable compromise. Yes, it kind of turns college sports into minor league farm teams... but that's pretty much what they are anyway.
I'm not sure I believe that these athletes have "no interest in attending any sort of classes". I suspect that many would attend classes that are relevant to their ambitions.
Just to expand on what Tiax is saying... Keep in mind many of these "students" are in a position where they could very quickly go from being dirt poor nobodies to multi-millionair public figures. They have to deal with agents, and finances that a few short years ago they had no concept of. If we need to give these kids classes give them classes to deal with the real life problems they are going to face. Teach them about finances and saving money (something they probably have never even had the chance to do). Teach them about the business of sports and what they are in for if they get drafted. Teach them about social media and the possible ***** storms they could create for themselves once they are in the public eye. All of those things would give them a better chance of success that their talents alone cannot give them and also exposes them to potential non-sport playing options to further their education and careers if they so choose later. Especially since for many of these players even if they are legitimately taking classes and doing well they will not get their degrees because often times coming out as a junior means making more money than finishing school. What good does it do anyone to have student athletes get 3/4ths of a degree?
Perhaps if we stop pretending that these young persons will always listen about the "glory of an education" and instead allow them to make money so they can feed their poverty stricken families and so forth and connect that to a hard days work with the education in hand. Then we can have more personal branding and other business activities from these players. Magic Johnson was a player and he's a businessman. Jay-Z was a thug, and he's a reputable businessman now since he started his own record label.
People learn because they're told they have to, people need the money and need a skill, learn for the joy of it, or all those factors combined. When you stop masquerading around as do-gooding and go to the specific person and say "What do you want right now, and what do you want to do for tomorrow" and then let them plan things out and understand the pitfalls. Then you will have a better system.
That and one of the biggest things I hate is that people go off to college to play football, then end up studying history education and become the history-football coach synch. That needs to go away, because coaches that have to miss classes and so forth should just be coaches then.
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And if they don't? Changing the course or program doesn't alter the situation. Schools have proven that they are unwilling to sacrifice the performance of their athletic teams in order to support academic standards. The only difference is that instead of athletes having a watered down "Geology" course on their timetable they would have a different watered down course, or an entire watered down, meaningless program. There must be a better solution than that somewhere.
Why should we care? If we let the schools not give them degrees... what difference does it make to everyone else? How is this such a big deal? Let athletes be athletes. We should not try to force them to also be something else if they don't want to be. If we let them be athletes and not lie about it (not give them credit for classes). I don't see what the problem is. Instead of giving them scholarships for a degree they don't want let the school's pay them.
I only see 3 options... either we continue the way it is and every few years we'll hear about another scandal. We remove the academic requirement from participation in college athletics. Or we completely eliminate college athletics which will piss off the schools as they lose a major revenue stream, will piss off the parents whose kids now have to choose between going to school or going to play for minor league teams and piss off students that have to choose between short term gains in sports and a long term future.
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Why isn't sports a thing you can learn about in college?
You realize that there are students who are good academically and good at sports, I'm pretty sure these two things aren't mutually exclusive. I think the goal for colleges is to turn every student they enroll into one of those. Except the culture has always been to screw the books and keep ballin. There is just not enough regulation for colleges against this sort of thing so the colleges do what makes them the most money, which is fake classes for everyone.
I dont think any schools are forcing their more academically gifted athletes to take fake classes and that is not at all what I was suggesting. All I am saying is that for those students that are not good at school but are forced to go to school if they want to play sports, stop pretending that they are good at school and stop forcing them to take the classes that students who want real degrees need to take. Keep in mind that a lot of the students that are good enough for the pros will not finish their degrees anyway.
I agree this is where the real problem is. We have a system where people who want to play pro sports, and are talented enough to play pro sports, are forced to go through this intermediate step (college/university) that contains all sorts of extra rules and regulations unrelated to playing sports. Because Colleges and Universities are at their core, not sporting institutions, they are educational institutions with sports on the side (at least in theory).
These "students" should not be in school if they are not interested in an education. They should be playing minor league sports. The NFL and NBA should have minor league systems to accommodate these players that don't require going to school, and don't have rules/regulations that are only there to benefit the NCAA. Students that actually want an education and want to play sports can go to college/university while those that just want to play sports and are good enough, should be able to do that.
There are a couple problems with trying to make separate systems. One, universities make way too much money on their sports programs and the sports programs have to much support and popularity to ever willingly give up sports. Secondly, if you try to run college sports along side minor league programs you'll end up with the opposite problem... kids that do want degrees and are perfectly capable of doing well in school will end up having to choose between going to school and a worse chance at their pro dreams and going into the minor leagues and not getting a degree for a better chance of going pro. There is not enough talent to go around in college sports as it is and you already have players "fall through the cracks" and go undrafted or drafted low because they played in a conference that was perceived to be weak.
I really don't see what the problem is of letting universities and colleges basically run the minor league teams and allow both students and non-students(using age requirements) to play on those teams.
That's nothing but a line, and even if it were true it would be a terrible reason. "We're preventing you from earning millions of dollars because we don't think you're mature enough to handle that much money" is not a valid argument. The actual reason would be more along the lines of the NBA and NCAA being in bed together to maintain the status quo because they like their monopoly and the amount of money it brings them.
I agree this would be a problem, but the schools not wanting it doesn't mean it's not the right choice.
I don't know, no system is perfect but it seems to work relatively ok for Baseball and Hockey. Players still get drafted from college/university all the time in those sports, but not exclusively from college/university.
Something like this might prove workable but only if the NCAA was willing to make major concessions for these teams and/or give up jurisdiction over them. Players should have a viable alternative to being forced through the NCAA system. Allowing them to play alongside NCAA students on a team run by an NCAA school doesn't sound like much of one to me.
Not even close... Nothing about college (unless you are taking econ/business classes) has anything to do with learning how to handle money. Being in college, if anything, gives these kids less responsibility with money because the school literally provides everything for those top athletes (since they can't be paid).
@brasswire, who is saying the non-student athletes have to be outside the rules of the NCAA? Is there something special about the NCAA that makes them unable to handle non-students?
how do you determine if you are pro calibre before college? hs football? I don't think there is a way to tell if yyou're good enough to play pro with out being in a college team. i dont think 50% of players make it to pro level. what happens to the people that went all in on sports because they were always told they are pro quality then have itblow up in their faCE? their lives would be ruined without a proper education
They're not getting a proper education right now either. That's what this whole thread is about. Also, the idea that someone is ruining their life by delaying their schooling by a couple years is just ludicrous.
A lot of these kids wouldn't even get into college without sports scholarships anyway... are you saying that everyone who does not go to college has their life ruined?
I have nothing against learning about sports. Your proposed system seemed pretty decent. My problem is with people getting into colleges for stuff other than academics (and yes, I would consider learning about sports to be academics).
Storm Crow is strictly worse than Seacoast Drake.