Does this sort of thing actually lend any sort of believability to these theories? I think it just sounds a lot like he said she said. Just stating the contrary without any sort of evidence.
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Most, if not all true conspiracies would automatically be accompanied by a denial and disinfo campaign anyway, so contradictions in presented evidence are to be expected.
It is again to be noted that in any circumstances, evidence presented by an investigation led by the same party being accused is likely to be falsified, whether the subject is the government or a criminal organisation.
This is a weird read, because he's clearly coming from a background of well-educated rationality, but he can't keep the circular reasoning that is the root of the conspiracist mentality out of his thought processes even as he's trying to convince us how rational he is. Clearest example:
Myth #13: Conspiracy theorists are paranoid and engage in fearmongering
The news media engages in far more fearmongering than do conspiracy theorists...
Politicians use fearmongering to make people accept their rules about how society should be controlled, and the mainstream media helps them do this.
Unwittingly demonstrating exactly what he was attempting to debunk.
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Most, if not all true conspiracies would automatically be accompanied by a denial and disinfo campaign anyway, so contradictions in presented evidence are to be expected.
It is again to be noted that in any circumstances, evidence presented by an investigation led by the same party being accused is likely to be falsified, whether the subject is the government or a criminal organisation.
By that logic the same thing would apply to conspiracy theorists.
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Most, if not all true conspiracies would automatically be accompanied by a denial and disinfo campaign anyway, so contradictions in presented evidence are to be expected.
It is again to be noted that in any circumstances, evidence presented by an investigation led by the same party being accused is likely to be falsified, whether the subject is the government or a criminal organisation.
By that logic the same thing would apply to conspiracy theorists.
Well, the problem is that it's asking you to dismiss any contrary arguments or evidence, not because of what they say, but because "OF COURSE there would be contrary evidence to a TRUE conspiracy theory, therefore the fact that they're arguing against my theory means that it must be a true one." Which is bull.
It's begging the question. He's assumed from the onset that he's correct, asking you to accept that he's correct a priori, and saying that any presence of contradictory evidence is just MORE proof that he's correct.
I can see where he thinks he's coming from. It's similar to when scientists say "of course there are gaps in the fossil record, because the fossilization process happens relatively rarely in nature and we can't expect to find a fossil of every species at our fingertips - if we claimed to have a complete fossil record THAT would be cause for suspicion".
Unfortunately, being consistent with your expectations doesn't matter. You need valid evidence. It's like the following exchange.
"Are you a Russian spy?"
"What? No."
"That's exactly what a Russian spy WOULD say!"
Yes. But it's also what someone who's innocent would say.
Incidentally, I think this one was my favorite.
Another reason why prominent activists aren't killed is that many of them are planted gatekeepers whose purpose is either to limit the debate, or discredit the movement.
Does this sort of thing actually lend any sort of believability to these theories? I think it just sounds a lot like he said she said. Just stating the contrary without any sort of evidence.
No, it doesn't lend any credence to the referenced theories. If anything, the fact he considers these satisfactory counterpoints or defenses shows just how unreliable and paranoid he is. Conspiracy Theories seem to come from the same place as when ancient cultures looked to great natural disasters and invented myths of evil gods that were causing them. Crops failed because evil spirits willed it. Now it's the Illuminati.
It's begging the question. He's assumed from the onset that he's correct, asking you to accept that he's correct a priori, and saying that any presence of contradictory evidence is just MORE proof that he's correct.
...which is exactly the "myth" about conspiracy theorists he's supposed to be debunking.
Crops failed because evil spirits willed it. Now it's the Illuminati.
Actually, crop failures come on the orders of the Daughters of the American Revolution to manipulate grain prices and control the population size, caused by the chemtrails dumped from false-flag airliners piloted by their most reliable agents: Bigfoots. Think about it. It's the perfect conspiracy. If a Bigfoot came up to you and told you that he'd just flown a chemtrail jet over half the Midwestern United States, would you believe him? Of course not. And that's what they're counting on. But you'll see the evidence clear as day if you know where to look. In Star Wars, who's one of the two pilots of the Millennium Falcon? That's right: Han Solo. Who is played by Harrison Ford. Who has unusually big feet.
No, the Illuminati are responsible for red lights turning just as you drive up to them.
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Crops failed because evil spirits willed it. Now it's the Illuminati.
Actually, crop failures come on the orders of the Daughters of the American Revolution to manipulate grain prices and control the population size, caused by the chemtrails dumped from false-flag airliners piloted by their most reliable agents: Bigfoots. Think about it. It's the perfect conspiracy. If a Bigfoot came up to you and told you that he'd just flown a chemtrail jet over half the Midwestern United States, would you believe him? Of course not. And that's what they're counting on. But you'll see the evidence clear as day if you know where to look. In Star Wars, who's one of the two pilots of the Millennium Falcon? That's right: Han Solo. Who is played by Harrison Ford. Who has unusually big feet.
No, the Illuminati are responsible for red lights turning just as you drive up to them.
Psssh, I see you've slurped up the "official" explanation too. Everyone knows the Daughters of the American Revolution are a puppet organization controlled by the Knights Templar and the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation, made to distract from the real rulers of the new world order. This is manifestly obvious from their influence on the making of the Star Wars Prequels. The only possible explanation for their terrible quality is that the representatives of the Council systematically undermined the franchise that was so pro-rebellion.
Of course it's pro-Rebellion; they're the Daughters of the American Revolution, not the Daughters of the British Empire. Your mistake is in swallowing the DAR propaganda that rebellion is a good thing. In fact, they use the threat of fomenting rebellion in order to blackmail governments into doing what they want. Think about it. If a government official suddenly dropped dead from the venom of an unclassified species of centipede, that would look suspicious. There'd be an investigation. And while the DAR is certainly powerful enough to mount a successful cover-up, why should they go through the trouble when they can just dilute that centipede venom, put it in the water supply where it'll make the populace more restless and short-tempered, and then sweep that official out of power in a popular uprising? They accomplish their goals to the cheers of the masses. It's criminal brilliance. The only way to combat this sinister influence is to trust and support your government officials in whatever they do.
And avoid tapwater. But don't switch to soft drinks. The DAR don't have anything to do with those, but the Rosicrucians coat the cans with an addictive compound. Fresh milk and juice are even worse: the International Communist Party uses them for GMO-human hybridization experiments, and you will literally turn into a mutant fruit cow. And bottled water? Is a complete ripoff.
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Does this sort of thing actually lend any sort of believability to these theories? I think it just sounds a lot like he said she said. Just stating the contrary without any sort of evidence.
Unwittingly demonstrating exactly what he was attempting to debunk.
candidus inperti; si nil, his utere mecum.
By that logic the same thing would apply to conspiracy theorists.
It's begging the question. He's assumed from the onset that he's correct, asking you to accept that he's correct a priori, and saying that any presence of contradictory evidence is just MORE proof that he's correct.
Unfortunately, being consistent with your expectations doesn't matter. You need valid evidence. It's like the following exchange.
"Are you a Russian spy?"
"What? No."
"That's exactly what a Russian spy WOULD say!"
Yes. But it's also what someone who's innocent would say.
Incidentally, I think this one was my favorite.
As for the OP...
No, it doesn't lend any credence to the referenced theories. If anything, the fact he considers these satisfactory counterpoints or defenses shows just how unreliable and paranoid he is. Conspiracy Theories seem to come from the same place as when ancient cultures looked to great natural disasters and invented myths of evil gods that were causing them. Crops failed because evil spirits willed it. Now it's the Illuminati.
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Actually, crop failures come on the orders of the Daughters of the American Revolution to manipulate grain prices and control the population size, caused by the chemtrails dumped from false-flag airliners piloted by their most reliable agents: Bigfoots. Think about it. It's the perfect conspiracy. If a Bigfoot came up to you and told you that he'd just flown a chemtrail jet over half the Midwestern United States, would you believe him? Of course not. And that's what they're counting on. But you'll see the evidence clear as day if you know where to look. In Star Wars, who's one of the two pilots of the Millennium Falcon? That's right: Han Solo. Who is played by Harrison Ford. Who has unusually big feet.
No, the Illuminati are responsible for red lights turning just as you drive up to them.
candidus inperti; si nil, his utere mecum.
Psssh, I see you've slurped up the "official" explanation too. Everyone knows the Daughters of the American Revolution are a puppet organization controlled by the Knights Templar and the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation, made to distract from the real rulers of the new world order. This is manifestly obvious from their influence on the making of the Star Wars Prequels. The only possible explanation for their terrible quality is that the representatives of the Council systematically undermined the franchise that was so pro-rebellion.
Remaking Magic - A Podcast for those that love MTG and Game Design
The Dungeon Master's Guide - A Podcast for those that love RPGs and Game Design
Sig-Heroes of the Plane
And avoid tapwater. But don't switch to soft drinks. The DAR don't have anything to do with those, but the Rosicrucians coat the cans with an addictive compound. Fresh milk and juice are even worse: the International Communist Party uses them for GMO-human hybridization experiments, and you will literally turn into a mutant fruit cow. And bottled water? Is a complete ripoff.
candidus inperti; si nil, his utere mecum.