Seem that outside a persons' expertise in certain circumstances, many will defer judgement of a situation to someone else, whether it's a doctor, lawyer, electrician etc.
Yet with many things, like the buzzword lately, Muslim, many seem only too quick to offer up an opinion (prejudiced or not) on something they may not have a clear grasp of, or know the history of.
Social media seems to give the ignorant a voice just as loud as the educated (sigh).
One of the quotes (I'm sorry, I forgot who it was) I love about the whole middle eastern conflict is, "Anyone who isn't confused by the motives, politics and pressures in the middle east, doesn't understand the situation".
And yet it seems everyone has an opinion...
I'm not just talking about the middle east though, more about issues at large.
Why are so many people so quick to judge what they clearly don't understand?
A combination of factors. The issue for me isn't really if people have an opinion, even one based on ignorance. That is true of everyone of us to some extent. It's more the willingness to learn. It's an understandable and tough to fight reaction to not get defensive when someone tries to education another person on a subject. And of course there are factors like people's history, their knowledge and how some one's attempt to education is worded. The easiest answer as far as why I think is simply because it's easy and human being by and large we're like water, we like to go down the path of least resistance.
It's a survival trait in our evolution as thinking animals.
slow decision+emergency situation = not cool, dead
fast decision (wrong)+emergency situation = not cool, dead
fast decision (correct)+emergency situation = cool, alive!
Thus, humans are predisposed to make snap decisions, because of the 3 possible situations during an emergency situation, it leads to the better survival odds. The slow thinkers in clutch situation got eaten by tigers or some such. OF COURSE, being informed makes for better decisions making, but we didn't have that luxury all of the time.
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"Sometimes, the situation is outracing a threat, sometimes it's ignoring it, and sometimes it involves sideboarding in 4x Hope//Pray." --Doug Linn
Basically, the less you know about something the fewer tools you have to identify your errors and gaps in knowledge, so you tend to vastly overestimate your expertise in that area. "If you’re incompetent, you can’t know you’re incompetent. […] the skills you need to produce a right answer are exactly the skills you need to recognize what a right answer is."
You have to keep in mind that most people aren't judging but making observations. They might come off an insensitive but usually have no meaning.
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Seem that outside a persons' expertise in certain circumstances, many will defer judgement of a situation to someone else, whether it's a doctor,
You wish. If that were the case, we wouldn't have anti-vaccination morons running around, or people who think their doctors are fat-shaming them for telling they should lose weight.
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Seem that outside a persons' expertise in certain circumstances, many will defer judgement of a situation to someone else, whether it's a doctor,
You wish. If that were the case, we wouldn't have anti-vaccination morons running around, or people who think their doctors are fat-shaming them for telling they should lose weight.
Cynical observation is cynical.
We can't help people that aren't willing to do their homework and actually learn the reason's for themselves....
As a hospital worker myself, I know how fallible doctors's might be on a given day, but in general most research material is fairly thorough.
From the point of view, of a doctor telling a pt. to lose weight;
That's a legitimate reason for action, from a health point of view. If a pt. refuses to do the best for their own welfare, well they can suck their gut and encounter all the health problems that WILL come with that.
Believe me, if you're a fat arse, you will see a hospital much more than people that are thin and healthy (life style permitting of course).
Seem that outside a persons' expertise in certain circumstances, many will defer judgement of a situation to someone else, whether it's a doctor,
You wish. If that were the case, we wouldn't have anti-vaccination morons running around, or people who think their doctors are fat-shaming them for telling they should lose weight.
It is important to note that many =/= all. The people in both the anti-vaccine crowd and the "my doctor is fat shaming me" crowd are problematic, but they are also a small minority.
I'm not entirely sure why people are so quick to judge. There are some interesting ideas on the subject, but I'd want to take more time getting a deeper understanding of the research before I make a judgment on the subject.
I think snap judgements are natural and can't really be helped in most cases. Now what you can change is how you proceed after the initial impression. Do you act on it or do you take the time to learn more?
It's a survival trait in our evolution as thinking animals.
slow decision+emergency situation = not cool, dead
fast decision (wrong)+emergency situation = not cool, dead
fast decision (correct)+emergency situation = cool, alive!
Thus, humans are predisposed to make snap decisions, because of the 3 possible situations during an emergency situation, it leads to the better survival odds. The slow thinkers in clutch situation got eaten by tigers or some such. OF COURSE, being informed makes for better decisions making, but we didn't have that luxury all of the time.
It really is this and not much else. It is just hard-wired into you by design.
In all fairness, it has served us very well or we obviously wouldn't be having this conversation.
Another aspect, also completely out of your control, is the human brain's STRONG reliance upon pattern recognition. "Hmmm...a new person/situation. Where have I encountered this sort of person/situation before and what was the appropriate reaction/response to that before?...DO THAT AGAIN." (all this, in just a few milliseconds, thousands of times, every single day of your life)
Two things I've noticed that make people more judgmental in modern times:
-An abundance of other people. It's okay (from a "what do I have to lose?" perspective) to offend a stranger or even a friend because there are so many people that we've all become replaceable to each other. If we were all living in small towns where everyone knew everyone else and we all married our cousins, we would withhold judgment more because we wouldn't have seemingly infinite bridges to burn.
-Media. There's so goddamn many opinion pieces in the news. Often not properly marked as opinion/editorial. When news anchors and websites are framing events using language that is judgmental in structure, people will mimic this structure in their own remarks and internal dialogues.
Basically, the less you know about something the fewer tools you have to identify your errors and gaps in knowledge, so you tend to vastly overestimate your expertise in that area. "If you’re incompetent, you can’t know you’re incompetent. […] the skills you need to produce a right answer are exactly the skills you need to recognize what a right answer is."
If you want to understand this stuff, look into social psychology, evolutionary psychology, behavioral economics, game theory, neuroscience, and a handful of other areas. Really, honestly it takes a lot of reading. Strangely whenever I was reading into discrimination, I went that route rather than the leftist feminist privilege or black empowerment literature route. While I've found both the feminist literature and the black empowerment literature along with others such as American Indian perspectives and so forth on discrimination areas... I just found it that you have to look at each of these as a larger orchestra into the contextual understanding and come to your own understanding over time without relying on one single guru (which I find to be lazy).
Seem that outside a persons' expertise in certain circumstances, many will defer judgement of a situation to someone else, whether it's a doctor,
You wish. If that were the case, we wouldn't have anti-vaccination morons running around, or people who think their doctors are fat-shaming them for telling they should lose weight.
There's a difference between a doctor telling a patient that they should lose weight for health reasons, and bullying the patient because of their weight. In the US there's a problem with male doctors essentially bullying their overweight female patients.
It's the difference between "If you don't lose weight you'll get diabetes based on your family history" and "You've been eating too many tacos *pokes belly*." Both of which happened to me when I was heavier.
From the healthcare worker side of the fence, we routinely see the same people repeatedly with the same problems, think Groundhog day.
Some seem unable to take advice, let alone follow it.
So what might be seen as a bout of bullying to the patient, may be seen as a wake-up call by a doctor if they are so inclined, trying to bring on the moment a patient takes their welfare seriously and commits to improve from within.
The other thing to remember about doctors though, is that many of them were once socially awkward nerds. As a doctor, they are in a position of power, especially in a hospital, and some choose to abuse that power like an angry nerd might, and many just have no idea how manners and diplomacy in social situations should be.
From the healthcare worker side of the fence, we routinely see the same people repeatedly with the same problems, think Groundhog day.
Some seem unable to take advice, let alone follow it.
So what might be seen as a bout of bullying to the patient, may be seen as a wake-up call by a doctor if they are so inclined, trying to bring on the moment a patient takes their welfare seriously and commits to improve from within.
The other thing to remember about doctors though, is that many of them were once socially awkward nerds. As a doctor, they are in a position of power, especially in a hospital, and some choose to abuse that power like an angry nerd might, and many just have no idea how manners and diplomacy in social situations should be.
He was my dermatologist and the statement was both racist and meant to shame me. He also insulted my grandmother when she went in to get some moles removed. He was a jerk and he wasn't saying that to be proactive.
If he wanted to bully people and get paid well for doing it he should have been a defense lawyer for wealthy rapists.
Shame > there's always the possibility of not seeing that Dr. ever again.
Doctors are no different to mechanics in my mind > find a good one.
I would shrug it off if he didn't insult my grandmother. No one, and I mean no one insults my grandmother. He came into the room and said, "My, you're looking very gaunt today! Need to eat more!" No ***** she looks gaunt, she has terminal cancer and can't eat. If he looked at her medical chart he might have found that out.
Basically, the less you know about something the fewer tools you have to identify your errors and gaps in knowledge, so you tend to vastly overestimate your expertise in that area. "If you’re incompetent, you can’t know you’re incompetent. […] the skills you need to produce a right answer are exactly the skills you need to recognize what a right answer is."
If you want to understand this stuff, look into social psychology, evolutionary psychology, behavioral economics, game theory, neuroscience, and a handful of other areas. Really, honestly it takes a lot of reading. Strangely whenever I was reading into discrimination, I went that route rather than the leftist feminist privilege or black empowerment literature route. While I've found both the feminist literature and the black empowerment literature along with others such as American Indian perspectives and so forth on discrimination areas... I just found it that you have to look at each of these as a larger orchestra into the contextual understanding and come to your own understanding over time without relying on one single guru (which I find to be lazy).
Dammit, I wanted a definition of Dunning-Kruger, not an example!
Sorry, old bio joke. (Though it doesn't help much that they try to view everything through the very narrow lens of sexual selection.)
Seriously, though, I think the best thing is to actually do research before you say things. Right now, a former president of my tribe, he's in his 60s, so it's understandable, hasn't learned how to block people from his Facebook page, or how to set it so only friends can post things, or how to delete things. As a result, he gets a lot of woo spam from other users, trying to attach themselves to his name.
On the plus side, even though neither he nor I believe these things they post, it lets me do an ethnography of nonsense.
There's a difference between a doctor telling a patient that they should lose weight for health reasons, and bullying the patient because of their weight. In the US there's a problem with male doctors essentially bullying their overweight female patients.
It's the difference between "If you don't lose weight you'll get diabetes based on your family history" and "You've been eating too many tacos *pokes belly*." Both of which happened to me when I was heavier.
There's also the problem of non-doctors saying it. It's not even, I mean, if you're saying this kind of thing to someone you don't even know, your medical opinion is as valid as that of the chiropractor down the street. (Not 'you' you, obviously, but whoever says this.)
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I would shrug it off if he didn't insult my grandmother. No one, and I mean no one insults my grandmother. He came into the room and said, "My, you're looking very gaunt today! Need to eat more!" No ***** she looks gaunt, she has terminal cancer and can't eat. If he looked at her medical chart he might have found that out.
To be honest, you seem to be too heavily invested in this and to biased based on your experience for me to take what you say at face value. I do agree that the doctors are possibly unpleasant in some ways, but I have a feeling people exaggerate their complaints. I feel as though there are a lot "He was right and rude therefore he should be fired." type thoughts going around.
I would shrug it off if he didn't insult my grandmother. No one, and I mean no one insults my grandmother. He came into the room and said, "My, you're looking very gaunt today! Need to eat more!" No ***** she looks gaunt, she has terminal cancer and can't eat. If he looked at her medical chart he might have found that out.
To be honest, you seem to be too heavily invested in this and to biased based on your experience for me to take what you say at face value. I do agree that the doctors are possibly unpleasant in some ways, but I have a feeling people exaggerate their complaints. I feel as though there are a lot "He was right and rude therefore he should be fired." type thoughts going around.
I don't really care if you take what I say at face value. I'm talking about my experiences and the experiences of my family with one rude doctor, and if you don't believe that rude doctors exist in the US then I'm not going to bother with this conversation anymore. Because thinking that there can't possibly be doctors this rude around is on par with denying basic human nature. There are going to be severe ********s in every profession.
It's the difference between "If you don't lose weight you'll get diabetes based on your family history" and "You've been eating too many tacos *pokes belly*." Both of which happened to me when I was heavier.
There's also the problem of non-doctors saying it. It's not even, I mean, if you're saying this kind of thing to someone you don't even know, your medical opinion is as valid as that of the chiropractor down the street. (Not 'you' you, obviously, but whoever says this.)
I don't think it's quite that simple.
Sure, people can think someone may be overweight/obese because of over-consumption, but there may be a medical reason for it also, so unless you know the person and their habits it can be easy to offend someone.
But then, saying that an obese person could benefit from better eating habits and exercise is almost always correct, so there'sthat.
Really, doctors (and we at large) just need to take the time to speak to one another, an example that happened to me recently;
A courier that regularly comes to my work doesn't talk. A lot of the girls (for months) thought he was a nasty sob, as he never spoke or addressed them, just shoved the clipboard and invoices their way for signatures.
One day recently I made an effort to speak to him and help him with his delivery and he produced these small cards from his pocket.
Turns out he couldn't speak due to throat cancer.
The girls were more than a little guilty....
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Seem that outside a persons' expertise in certain circumstances, many will defer judgement of a situation to someone else, whether it's a doctor, lawyer, electrician etc.
Yet with many things, like the buzzword lately, Muslim, many seem only too quick to offer up an opinion (prejudiced or not) on something they may not have a clear grasp of, or know the history of.
Social media seems to give the ignorant a voice just as loud as the educated (sigh).
One of the quotes (I'm sorry, I forgot who it was) I love about the whole middle eastern conflict is,
"Anyone who isn't confused by the motives, politics and pressures in the middle east, doesn't understand the situation".
And yet it seems everyone has an opinion...
I'm not just talking about the middle east though, more about issues at large.
Why are so many people so quick to judge what they clearly don't understand?
slow decision+emergency situation = not cool, dead
fast decision (wrong)+emergency situation = not cool, dead
fast decision (correct)+emergency situation = cool, alive!
Thus, humans are predisposed to make snap decisions, because of the 3 possible situations during an emergency situation, it leads to the better survival odds. The slow thinkers in clutch situation got eaten by tigers or some such. OF COURSE, being informed makes for better decisions making, but we didn't have that luxury all of the time.
"Sometimes, the situation is outracing a threat, sometimes it's ignoring it, and sometimes it involves sideboarding in 4x Hope//Pray." --Doug Linn
Basically, the less you know about something the fewer tools you have to identify your errors and gaps in knowledge, so you tend to vastly overestimate your expertise in that area. "If you’re incompetent, you can’t know you’re incompetent. […] the skills you need to produce a right answer are exactly the skills you need to recognize what a right answer is."
You wish. If that were the case, we wouldn't have anti-vaccination morons running around, or people who think their doctors are fat-shaming them for telling they should lose weight.
Cynical observation is cynical.
We can't help people that aren't willing to do their homework and actually learn the reason's for themselves....
As a hospital worker myself, I know how fallible doctors's might be on a given day, but in general most research material is fairly thorough.
From the point of view, of a doctor telling a pt. to lose weight;
That's a legitimate reason for action, from a health point of view. If a pt. refuses to do the best for their own welfare, well they can suck their gut and encounter all the health problems that WILL come with that.
Believe me, if you're a fat arse, you will see a hospital much more than people that are thin and healthy (life style permitting of course).
It is important to note that many =/= all. The people in both the anti-vaccine crowd and the "my doctor is fat shaming me" crowd are problematic, but they are also a small minority.
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It really is this and not much else. It is just hard-wired into you by design.
In all fairness, it has served us very well or we obviously wouldn't be having this conversation.
Another aspect, also completely out of your control, is the human brain's STRONG reliance upon pattern recognition. "Hmmm...a new person/situation. Where have I encountered this sort of person/situation before and what was the appropriate reaction/response to that before?...DO THAT AGAIN." (all this, in just a few milliseconds, thousands of times, every single day of your life)
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-An abundance of other people. It's okay (from a "what do I have to lose?" perspective) to offend a stranger or even a friend because there are so many people that we've all become replaceable to each other. If we were all living in small towns where everyone knew everyone else and we all married our cousins, we would withhold judgment more because we wouldn't have seemingly infinite bridges to burn.
-Media. There's so goddamn many opinion pieces in the news. Often not properly marked as opinion/editorial. When news anchors and websites are framing events using language that is judgmental in structure, people will mimic this structure in their own remarks and internal dialogues.
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The basic gist is this is the product adoption cycle on steroids.
Chapter from a book available online, kind of interesting to look at too:
http://www.cs.cornell.edu/home/kleinber/networks-book/networks-book-ch16.pdf
If you want to understand this stuff, look into social psychology, evolutionary psychology, behavioral economics, game theory, neuroscience, and a handful of other areas. Really, honestly it takes a lot of reading. Strangely whenever I was reading into discrimination, I went that route rather than the leftist feminist privilege or black empowerment literature route. While I've found both the feminist literature and the black empowerment literature along with others such as American Indian perspectives and so forth on discrimination areas... I just found it that you have to look at each of these as a larger orchestra into the contextual understanding and come to your own understanding over time without relying on one single guru (which I find to be lazy).
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There's a difference between a doctor telling a patient that they should lose weight for health reasons, and bullying the patient because of their weight. In the US there's a problem with male doctors essentially bullying their overweight female patients.
It's the difference between "If you don't lose weight you'll get diabetes based on your family history" and "You've been eating too many tacos *pokes belly*." Both of which happened to me when I was heavier.
Some seem unable to take advice, let alone follow it.
So what might be seen as a bout of bullying to the patient, may be seen as a wake-up call by a doctor if they are so inclined, trying to bring on the moment a patient takes their welfare seriously and commits to improve from within.
The other thing to remember about doctors though, is that many of them were once socially awkward nerds. As a doctor, they are in a position of power, especially in a hospital, and some choose to abuse that power like an angry nerd might, and many just have no idea how manners and diplomacy in social situations should be.
He was my dermatologist and the statement was both racist and meant to shame me. He also insulted my grandmother when she went in to get some moles removed. He was a jerk and he wasn't saying that to be proactive.
If he wanted to bully people and get paid well for doing it he should have been a defense lawyer for wealthy rapists.
Doctors are no different to mechanics in my mind > find a good one.
I would shrug it off if he didn't insult my grandmother. No one, and I mean no one insults my grandmother. He came into the room and said, "My, you're looking very gaunt today! Need to eat more!" No ***** she looks gaunt, she has terminal cancer and can't eat. If he looked at her medical chart he might have found that out.
Dammit, I wanted a definition of Dunning-Kruger, not an example!
Sorry, old bio joke. (Though it doesn't help much that they try to view everything through the very narrow lens of sexual selection.)
Seriously, though, I think the best thing is to actually do research before you say things. Right now, a former president of my tribe, he's in his 60s, so it's understandable, hasn't learned how to block people from his Facebook page, or how to set it so only friends can post things, or how to delete things. As a result, he gets a lot of woo spam from other users, trying to attach themselves to his name.
On the plus side, even though neither he nor I believe these things they post, it lets me do an ethnography of nonsense.
There's also the problem of non-doctors saying it. It's not even, I mean, if you're saying this kind of thing to someone you don't even know, your medical opinion is as valid as that of the chiropractor down the street. (Not 'you' you, obviously, but whoever says this.)
On phasing:
To be honest, you seem to be too heavily invested in this and to biased based on your experience for me to take what you say at face value. I do agree that the doctors are possibly unpleasant in some ways, but I have a feeling people exaggerate their complaints. I feel as though there are a lot "He was right and rude therefore he should be fired." type thoughts going around.
I don't really care if you take what I say at face value. I'm talking about my experiences and the experiences of my family with one rude doctor, and if you don't believe that rude doctors exist in the US then I'm not going to bother with this conversation anymore. Because thinking that there can't possibly be doctors this rude around is on par with denying basic human nature. There are going to be severe ********s in every profession.
I don't think it's quite that simple.
Sure, people can think someone may be overweight/obese because of over-consumption, but there may be a medical reason for it also, so unless you know the person and their habits it can be easy to offend someone.
But then, saying that an obese person could benefit from better eating habits and exercise is almost always correct, so there's that.
Really, doctors (and we at large) just need to take the time to speak to one another, an example that happened to me recently;
A courier that regularly comes to my work doesn't talk. A lot of the girls (for months) thought he was a nasty sob, as he never spoke or addressed them, just shoved the clipboard and invoices their way for signatures.
One day recently I made an effort to speak to him and help him with his delivery and he produced these small cards from his pocket.
Turns out he couldn't speak due to throat cancer.
The girls were more than a little guilty....