LordOwlington-Feminists control and have corrupted every institution in our society.
What?
You do realize feminists are only pushing this wage gap BS so that women will be payed MORE for the same work right?
What?
Men and womens lifestyle choices are why there is a lifetime earnings gap and feminists are sure as hell not going to push for women to give that up especially since it leads to women being happier and healthier.
Biotruths.
Heres an example of the tortured logic feminists will use http://vimeo.com/105476725. Greer is right in that true gender equality would be a loss of the things women value highly thus this lopsided "women are oppressed by gender roles BUT NOT MEN!" nonsense.
WHAT?
I have even spoken to a writer as double X who admits feminists are worried about the ERA as it would mean an enormous loss for women, did you seriously believe some random country mom scuttled the whole thing?
What are you even talking about here? Random moms scuttling the ERA?
Fun fact-Did you know in one country feminists have already successfully legislated higher pay for the same work for women, women are paid 2% more for the same work as men by law.
Citation needed.
The tortured logic goes something like this, men (Not any men alive today mind you) created society therefore women are always the victim and thus can redefine what's fair at anytime they want as often as they want as unfairly as they want cause always the victim. It is about as reasonable as someone shrieking "I didn't ask to be born" when told they have to play by the same rules as everyone else.
Right, right, privilege isn't a thing either.
This post is off the rails even for you. Normally I can parse what you're trying to say and make sense of it. But half of these "Facts" are made up, and it's tied together by raving insanity. Seriously I don't even know what you're posting about at this point?
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What's the big deal? You could have played multiple Righteous Avengers for years now.
The fact that any type of "journalism" today should be considered ethical is laughable at best. We have 6 or 7 companies that control 95% of the media and this is what people are concerned about. As far as I'm concerned, journalism died when they buried Tim Russert.
All of that aside, I don't care if this woman slept with Barack Obama, Henry Kissinger, and Condoleezza Rice all at once, it doesn't justify rape and death threats. Idle hands are truly the devil's workshop.
In other, gamergate related news,
Turns out both anita and zoe's police reports never happened. They lied.
In addition, Zoe was encouraging people to post hateful crap with the #gamergate tag for free video games (along the lines of "I want to murder and rape women in gtaV #gamergate")
And last but not least, Kotaku, Polygon, and Gamasutra (among others) are seeing huge traffic drops since this debacle began. Advertisers are beginning to pull from their sites and distance themselves.
We're winning!
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Why doesn't anyone else ever post links or supporting evidence for their claims.
Point: the last three times gamergate said they had rock solid evidence of corruption they got the dates wrong, chased someone our of journalism for a problem their editors had introduced to the opinion piece, and got hyped over a 200+ character twitter post, so there's a good record of research abilities in this organization.
Also Anita is in talks with the FBI for the most recent harassment, which is why there's no evidence of her talking with the police: she went over their heads. (second confirmation). Someone else can unpick the rest of the post.
Why doesn't anyone else ever post links or supporting evidence for their claims.
Also Anita is in talks with the FBI for the most recent harassment, which is why there's no evidence of her talking with the police: she went over their heads. (second confirmation). Someone else can unpick the rest of the post.
Oh, my bad. Zoe's is still bull*****. Milo also put up a FOIA request for antia's case, and I'd be willing to bet my bank account on it being unsubstantiated bull***** - that isn't atypical for her.
For evidence of traffic, just go to alexa.
For zoe and the false flag tweets, I'll look for em right now - that news is two days old, but very very much happened. We're reported it to nintendo.
EDit: two links for ya. one with and one without zoe. Nintendo of America JUST replied to me today, so I may update on this tonight. https://twitter.com/TripleSK7/status/510827524775878657/photo/1 https://archive.today/ia40D
Those were the only links I could find on short notice. But if you're suggesting that those are fake, then you must agree that the 4chan 'chat logs' that the anti-gg side has posted are CLEARLY faked, right? For what its worth, I saw the tweet with my own eyes. I'll find an archive link to it and post when I can.
As for the nintendo remark - the false flag ops have been using codes for nintendo games to encourage their hate spam. We contacted Nintendo America over the weekend to see if there was a possibility to cut off those codes. Nintendo is seeing what it can do today, and has expressed (at least to me, in my email chain with them) that they do not want to be associated with that behavior.
Those stats show yearly growth, and a literal landslide shortly after gamergate began. Dismiss what you want, but fact is people are going to those sites less, and advertisers are pulling out. Kotaku and Poly have announced policy changes, but it hasn't done much.
And, if you haven't noticed, I've only mentioned Zoe Quinn in her actions to attempt to discredit the movement - none of us could give a **** who she's banging, only that shes lying about what gamergate is, and lying about gamergate's actions. However, I DO notice that everyone who opposes gamergate uses any mention of her, no matter how valid, to attack the entire argument.
-"Sarkeesian lied about the police report!!"
-"She went to the FBI, not the police."
-"Oh, my bad. I'm still right tho. lol"
So Zoe still lying about hers is...?
The FOIA is pending, I'm not going to believe her until there's actual evidence. Again, judging by her past actions, I'd be willing to bet that there was no actual reason for her to submit it to the FBI and was done entirely for attention (again, as she has done so many times in the past)
Gonna ignore the rest of the facts, though?
GUY: gonna respond to you later, battery is dying. IF you're going to discount facts beacuse they arent pretty enough for you, you really need to get out of this discussion. More importantly, not a single thing i posted fits your bull***** description.
Are you talking about some twitter nonsense posted by Zoe Quin? You are the one who brought her up again, not me. It is gamergate that keeps going back to her, despite the fact I keep hearing how this is not about her and it is really about ethics.
Great, lets both agree she is an irrelevant liar and should be ignored in the greater context of this discussion, as should anita.
Giant bomb has stopped people from talking about Quin and come down on her side, so why are they not touched by this? All I have got by looking at a few different gaming sites on alexa is that their views are really volatile and it would take a skilled analysis and a much longer period of time to get real trends out of this. Really this is not something where you can just show some raw numbers and say you know what is going on. I am not saying you are right or wrong on these sites, I am saying you are looking for conclusions that the data can't give you.
Giantbomb isn't on the boycott list. Every major site on the boycott list (I can get it for you later) has seen a drop in traffic. You STILL haven't addressed the advertisers that are dropping from these sites.
It is also a bit rich to complain about people ignoring facts when you claimed no report had been made and the moment you found out otherwise you just glossed over that.
The police originally stated that there was no report, then corrected their statement. I missed Milo's post regarding that. You, on the other hand, just dismissed facts you didnt even look at because you thought they'd have "ms-paint lines". I think its clear you have an agenda here.
edit. I just feel the so and so did a thing on twitter is becoming white noise and it is just irritating, so I might be more sharp here than I should be. It is also really inconsistent, totalbiscuit gets someone silenced for saying something bad about him but what really matters is Zoe really did go to the police? That and the more I see the gate suffix the more it feels like the Mitchell & Webb watergategate sketch.
If we're going talk about the severity of actions of individuals, Multiple anti-GG journalists and devsHAVE DOXXED PEOPLE AND ENCOURAGED HARASSMENT, including a transgender minor. They've admitted to ruining people's careers for siding with gamergate. They harass minorities and women who disagree with them. The level of harassment coming out of the anti-GG side is far, far greater than what anyone affiliated with the tag has done.
As it stands, gamergate is about inclusiveness, openness to ALL perspectives, and fixing the corruption in the industry. Those against us have excluded, silenced, and orchestrated vicious, extensive hate campaigns to try and destroy the movement (to no avail).
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Oh wow, you think a FOIA is going to 1. turn up something if an investigation is pending, 2. not going to take forever to process. I've been waiting on one FOIA for the past two months and it's nowhere close to being in the everyday news.
Here's what the FBI's website says:
FOIA Exemptions
(b)(7) Records or information compiled for law enforcement purposes, but only to the extent that the production of such law enforcement records or information:
A. Could reasonably be expected to interfere with enforcement proceedings;
B. Would deprive a person of a right to a fair trial or an impartial adjudication;
C. Could reasonably be expected to constitute an unwarranted invasion of personal privacy;
D. Could reasonably be expected to disclose the identity of confidential source, including a state, local, or foreign agency or authority or any private institution that furnished information on a confidential basis, and, in the case of a record or information compiled by a criminal law enforcement authority in the course of a criminal investigation or by an agency conducting a lawful national security intelligence investigation, information furnished by a confidential source;
E. Would disclose techniques and procedures for law enforcement investigations or prosecutions or would disclose guidelines for law enforcement investigations or prosecutions if such disclosure could reasonably be expected to risk circumvention of the law, or;
F. Could reasonably be expected to endanger the life or physical safety or any individual.
I know it wont come up soon - all we have at this point is her record for bending the truth, so I think that "shes not telling the truth" is a fair assumption.
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That may be a fair assessment, but pointing to all this political intrigue and corruption sounds less like hard-hitting knowledge and more like paranoia considering the past and current state of the media.
Well, the corruption in the games media is a well-known fact. The things that really triggered it this time are depression quest's and Fez's wins - which is the first thing to my knowledge that revealed insane conflicts of interest spreading to real-money competitions, in addition to the sabotage and lack of coverage of TFYC and the recent string of high-profile unwarranted criticism leveled at very good games. This is more the straw that broke the camel's back than a conspiracy theory.
The sooner the better, IMO. Some of those corrupt ****s are insufferable in person.
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Oh wow I took so long researching that the topic has moved on.
I know it wont come up soon - all we have at this point is her record for bending the truth, so I think that "shes not telling the truth" is a fair assumption.
Lets be real, we've also got subsections of the internet's record for harassing her for no good reason. (first comment is a doozy)
Well, the corruption in the games media is a well-known fact.
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Seriously if you're looking for corruption follow the money.
Feminists control and have corrupted every institution in our society.
Re this tweet: yeah that was dumb as hell of her, assuming she's serious (see the Lord Zoeldemort response vs the Literally Who debacle). The accounts she retweeted from look like they're for trolling so idk if they were serious, but if they are then they're chumps. source 1source 2 Honestly GG doesn't need help looking mad because:
The level of harassment coming out of the anti-GG side is far, far greater than what anyone affiliated with the tag has done.
If we're back to this, you're glossing over GG tweeting child porn at Anita Sarkeesian, threatening murder towards journalists, kicking Mattie Brice out of the games industry, and doxing Phil Fish. Also see my previous posts on #notyourshield.
But if you're suggesting that those are fake, then you must agree that the 4chan 'chat logs' that the anti-gg side has posted are CLEARLY faked, right?
Attempt to read the logs. They're (probably) too huge to fake.
fixing the corruption in the industry.
By hiring Milo Yiannopoulos, the guy who still owes his workers back-pay from the time his last company nosedived?
Those against us have excluded, silenced, and orchestrated vicious, extensive hate campaigns to try and destroy the movement (to no avail).
I'm not entirely certain you've actually read the articles you're so mad about. Saying (I'm paraphrasing here) "the Gamer identity has an attached stereotype of young angry males that isn't reflected in the reality of people who buy games and so games don't always have to be made to appeal to that stereotype to be profitable" is hardly an extended harassment campaign.
Lets be real, we've also got subsections of the internet's record for harassing her for no good reason. (first comment is a doozy)
So both are fair assumptions. More on this later, though.
Seriously if you're looking for corruption follow the money.
Like to tons of cash Fish and Quinn have made off their games and awards? I think that's what been done. Doritogate was a joke. THIS is harmful not just to gamers, but to other devs.
If we're back to this, you're glossing over GG tweeting child porn at Anita Sarkeesian, threatening murder towards journalists, kicking Mattie Brice out of the games industry, and doxing Phil Fish. Also see my previous posts on #notyourshield.
First, I need to get this out of the way: Every single public figure ever gets death threats for pretty much everything they do. This is not something unique to Anita, to feminists in the games industry, or women in public positions. Anita is just one of the VERY few that attempt to exploit this internet trolling for cash. Regardless, I'd be willing to bet that the collective "sjw" journalists have expressed their wish for the death of far more individuals than have threatened them.
Second, MORE journalists and game devs have gotten in trouble and lost their jobs for being on the other side of the debate - i can probably get sources for you later, if you'd like (too lazy right now). Even more are afraid to speak out publicly in support of gamergate beacuse they know they would lose their jobs (some have posted anonymously, incl. from microsoft, ubisoft).
Third, there has been ONE documented doxxing (of fish) that you can even argue was part of gamergate. Phis, Zoe, and Leigh alexander have EACH doxxed or linked to doxx files for multiple individuals, including minors.
And what about notyourshield?
Attempt to read the logs. They're (probably) too huge to fake.
Give me a week and I'll bring you 4chan logs proving that pedobear conspired to elect obama. Also, I proved that my link was legit.
By hiring Milo Yiannopoulos, the guy who still owes his workers back-pay from the time his last company nosedived?
Getting personal? Milo has done better work than all the bloggers at kotaku, gamasutra, and polygon combined. More importantly, who is hiring him?
I'm not entirely certain you've actually read the articles you're so mad about. Saying (I'm paraphrasing here) "the Gamer identity has an attached stereotype of young angry males that isn't reflected in the reality of people who buy games and so games don't always have to be made to appeal to that stereotype to be profitable" is hardly an extended harassment campaign.
Its the equivalent to writing off the ferguson riots as "just a bunch of pissy blacks". And that wasn't the only coordinated campaign they've had. They coordianted "harassment" announcements on twitter, cooridnated takedowns of opposition content on 4chan and reddit, they did the articles, they had two days of false flagging like I linked to before - and others. They've attacked, insulted, and attempted to discredit every woman and minority that associates with #notyourshield. Its the same people every time, saying the exact same things within moments of each others. This is absolutely an extended (and thankfully unsuccessful) assault on gamergate.
EDIT: Shadowbanning in front of julian assange https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bxm49_NIEAA9Vd5.jpg:large
Oh, and I'm not paraphrasing here:
‘Games culture’ is a petri dish of people who know so little about how human social interaction and professional life works that they can concoct online ‘wars’ about social justice or ‘game journalism ethics,’ straight-faced, and cause genuine human consequences
Okay so #Gamergate was first used by Adam Baldwin to refer to an anti Zoe Quinn conspiracy theory/salty boyfriend's breakup rant, #notyourshield was cooked up on 4chan before getting picked up by troll accounts and occasionally actual people.
Every single public figure ever gets death threats for pretty much everything they do.
Every single woman in videogames maybe. Either there's something wrong with this world or (judging by the reaction in the media to people getting death threats) your argument is incorrect.
Milo has done better work than all the bloggers at kotaku, gamasutra, and polygon combined.
He's the guy who said "Anita Sarkeesian is totally lying about death threats guys" then had to be cajoled into admitting she'd gone to the FBI rather than the police, and did so in a way that apparently hasn't allowed that to sink in.
Screw it, this took like an hour and a half and burrowing through the internet's rage has made me really angry. I'm out.
EDIT: apparently this is about the guy that got banned?
Wait, what? You linked to another hate post - are you agreeing with me?
Okay so #Gamergate was first used by Adam Baldwin to refer to an anti Zoe Quinn conspiracy theory/salty boyfriend's breakup rant, #notyourshield was cooked up on 4chan before getting picked up by troll accounts and occasionally actual people.
I dont get this - why are gamergate opponents always so concerned with the origins of the hashtag, instead of where the movement is now? (not to mention, the 4chan BS has no proof beyond easily faked 'logs')? Whatever the origin, gamergate is now a huge, and very real, movement encompassing all gamers, with wide support. New journalists and devs are coming out of the woodwork to support us daily. On the twitter hashtag, a new "thank you gamergate" manifesto from one dev or another is posted what seems like hourly. Address that, and no some irrelevant talking point.
Oh, and if notyourshield started on 4chan, it was probably women.
Every single woman in videogames maybe. Either there's something wrong with this world or (judging by the reaction in the media to people getting death threats) your argument is incorrect.
No, I meant every person, especially in video games. This is nothing new - devs mention it all the time, usually humorously. VERY few flip a ***** the way feminists do, but thats just a part of their internalized victimhood mentality. Heck, check the minecraft twitter accounts - Jeb ges death threats for every damn patch note.
He's the guy who said "Anita Sarkeesian is totally lying about death threats guys" then had to be cajoled into admitting she'd gone to the FBI rather than the police, and did so in a way that apparently hasn't allowed that to sink in.
You need to internet better. He posted a police email where the cops confirmed that she did not file a report. Later, they clarified that she may have filed an FBI report, and he immediately posted the correction.
EDIT: apparently this is about the guy that got banned?
Yeah, turns out he got shadowbanned for upvoting gamergate content, not for asking the question. Regardless, wikileaks is giving the tag some love now - all the better for us.
Not unique to them, no, but women who write and especially about gender equality receive a lot more and more sexualised threats than men do. Maybe you've come across journalists talking about this sort of thing. Or maybe activists or just plain bloggers.
Not true at all. Milo posted about the death threats he got on a minor article not related to gamergate. Plenty of my friends in the industry have seen threats, and the violence and scope of the threats doesnt vary much regardless of gender or anything else (aside from the perceived magnitude of the "offense")
I dont get this - why are gamergate opponents always so concerned with the origins of the hashtag, instead of where the movement is now?
Honestly? Because it's really hard to tell where the movement is now: looking in on it it's like six different groups of people with differing goals and at least one of those significant groups is represented pretty well by Joande's previous posts.
Also your definition of hate post seems odd, what with your post about the ubiquity of death threats.
I disagree - Look at the escapist, look at Milo's work, Look at what Wikileaks and Dawkins were tweeting about, Look at what every dev that comes out in support of gamergate is saying. Apart from the inevitable few trolls (which we ignore and denounce as soon as they're found), the movement has really coalesced over the last month. What gamergate wants, what we all want, is pretty simple and clear.
If I may ask, where are you getting your info on the state of gamergate? The only people I see discussing the whole "they have n o clear goal" thing have a vested interest in destroying the movement.
And what is unclear about the hate post thing?
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If I may ask, where are you getting your info on the state of gamergate?
Here, 4chan, twiter, Neogaf, conversations with indie devs who have either been in full duck & cover mode for a while or don't know what's going on either or are weathering apparently semi-random harassment.
What gamergate wants, what we all want, is pretty simple and clear.
The work filter comes back up in a half hour but I've got rocks to photograph, can you summarize?
'cause I've been watching and it seems like the major voice in gamergate is pretty creepy and right wing, and that always makes me nervous.
There's also the apparent focus on being anti-artistic criticism & anti-opinion pieces in gaming, and turning games journalism into a way to create scores out of ten for the newest game. Critical discussion of themes is important in art (Moviebob summarizes that well).
And what is unclear about the hate post thing?
I post a thing saying "according to this opinion piece gamers are crazy" and it's a hate post. You post a thing saying "people involved in videogames get death threats" and it's legit and not a hate post, despite the overlap.
Here, 4chan, twiter, Neogaf, conversations with indie devs who have either been in full duck & cover mode for a while or don't know what's going on either or are weathering apparently semi-random harassment.
The work filter comes back up in a half hour but I've got rocks to photograph, can you summarize?
'cause I've been watching and it seems like the major voice in gamergate is pretty creepy and right wing, and that always makes me nervous.
You should know that 4chan is aggressively censoring any pro-gamergate content, and banning anyone who posts it. I've mostly been following the twitter tag, and its pretty concise there. Devs are mostly *****ting in fear right now - a bad move can and has ended careers. Several devs have come out in support of gamergate, though, and I haven't seeen as much from the other side (Fish excluded).
Gamergate has focused in on three things:
First, we want to remove political agendas from gaming. Everyone and anyone should be allowed to create games that they want without being beholden to the views of a small, powerful clique of bloggers that can make or break your game.
Second, we want these bloggers to conform to an ethical standard; in this case, fully disclosing any persoanl and financial conflicts of interest and associations with the products they are blogging about.
Third, we want to disclaim and eliminate the ties between game devs and the industry as a whole; from contests like indicade to financing projects like Indie Fund.
In short, we want gaming to be about the games again, free of the political bull***** that is currently plaguing the industry.
I post a thing saying "according to this opinion piece gamers are crazy" and it's a hate post. You post a thing saying "people involved in videogames get death threats" and it's legit and not a hate post, despite the overlap.
Wait, what? The link to the death threats post was specifically to highlight that all devs get them - not to encourage them. The article you linked to was a hit piece meant to discredit and attack gamers. I am still confused on this one.
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Every single woman in videogames maybe. Either there's something wrong with this world or (judging by the reaction in the media to people getting death threats) your argument is incorrect.
I haven't been following the gamergate thing that closely, but I glanced at the piece you linked here and if this is the sort of thing the pro-gamergate people are miffed about, then they have a point. Isn't this exactly the kind of hackneyed and biased journalism that underwrites a legitimate gripe about journalistic standards?
Headline: Gamers are outraged that a spiritual successor to Megaman has hired a woman on the team.
Evidence: Four cherry-picked quotes dredged up from the bowels of Reddit.
Reality: Even though the author was permitted to cherry pick outliers and anecdotal evidence as he saw fit, the article still doesn't comport with the headline. None of the four people quoted in the article is upset because Abou Karam is a woman. What they are actually concerned about is the game they backed becoming a vehicle for feminist agitprop. And that is a perfectly legitimate concern for a backer to have. People don't have to back art they don't like. Granted, it's foolish to believe that a single community manager has that kind of influence over a game's content. That's stupid, but it's not misogynistic.
Your usage of the article: As supporting evidence for the quantity of death threats received by women. Death threats aren't even mentioned in the article.
This is why I like the stance taken by The Escapist -- they created a policy designed to separate facts from allegations, opinions, and innuendo, and to give the other side a chance to state their position fairly rather than having some straw-man version of it stapled to them by some hack looking for a headline -- and if that's the only change that results from "gamergate," then the dustup was already worth something, regardless of whether or not it started as some kind of 4chan "black op" or whatever.
Disclosure: Should be obvious by now, but I don't think anyone here (even me) can argue this entirely objectively. In my case there's this common theme I keep seeing in gaming of women getting bounced and harassed and so I'm less trusting than I probably should be towards this grand scheme. I got #1reasonwhy bouncing through my brain but I didn't post it. But yeah, I overreacted.
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As supporting evidence for the quantity of death threats received by women. Death threats aren't even mentioned in the article.
Yeah I kinda skimmed the article, my bad. I assumed they'd reference /v/'s campaign from back then too.
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You should know that 4chan is aggressively censoring any pro-gamergate content, and banning anyone who posts it.
That's a new development. Are the FBI chasing down m00t again?
EDIT: I did some trawling, the official gamergate imageboard is now 8chan /burgers/
Several devs have come out in support of gamergate, though, and I haven't seeen as much from the other side (Fish excluded).
Tim Schafer made a series of snarky tweets towards a guy who self identified as a gamergate member and got DDoSed for a while, since then he's been joking about the entire thing.
First, we want to remove political agendas from gaming. Everyone and anyone should be allowed to create games that they want without being beholden to the views of a small, powerful clique of bloggers that can make or break your game.
Which bloggers are these and can I have some evidence of their influence? Because, again, criticism is common in other art forms. Often there are multiple groups of critics who don't agree with each other, so people saying "they don't like vidya because reasons" isn't that odd. Also, bear in mind that every other art form has political criticism and referencing. Why should games be excluded? What if I want political and social commentary in my game reviews?
Honestly, forced removal of political agendas and allowing anyone to make anything feels like a contradiction. You're gonna have to define political agendas for me.
Like, is Hideo Kojima's anti-nuke stance something you want removed from Metal Gear?
GTA's parody of US culture?
Battlefield Hardline's "militarized police are awesome!" stance?
DEFCON status as a game about mutually assured destruction and how unwinnable a full nuclear exchange would be?
Analogue (A Hate Story) and the use of a scifi setting to make commentary on feminism in a historical context?
Mass Effect including gay relationships?
Bastion's entire backstory?
Prison Architect and the near-inevitable failure of the for-profit prison model?
I mean, even League of Legends has the fields of justice and the argument that forced gladiator combat is better than open warfare.
Seriously where're we going with this?
Second, we want these bloggers to conform to an ethical standard; in this case, fully disclosing any persoanl and financial conflicts of interest and associations with the products they are blogging about.
Sounds legit. Pretty sure that even politicians don't have to give full disclosure of all their funding so whatever, but disclosure of ties and history is good, if only so you know where a person is coming from and what they're likely to value in a game. You don't want the guy in Valve's pocket to be running a comparison between League of Legends and DOTA2, for example.
Third, we want to disclaim and eliminate the ties between game devs and the industry as a whole; from contests like indicade to financing projects like Indie Fund.
Run this one by me again because I'm not sure I follow. Will this stop indies from using Patreon, Flattr, Indiegogo etc? Is is competitions only? (What's an indiecade?) EDIT: indiecade sounds like a fairly standard conference, so I'm probably missing something.
In short, we want gaming to be about the games again, free of the political bull***** that is currently plaguing the industry.
Again, define political bull***** and making "gaming about games again".
I mean even Mario is vaguely pro-monarchist, if only because the first Mario game was based on heroic fairytales or whatever. IRL Monarchism is a political stance with significant argument focused around it in modern NZ and Australia.
This is naive as hell. Try to claim that you want 'film to be about film and not political bull*****' and you would get rightfully torn apart by everyone who does film. Games that you want made are still getting made, there are now just more and more games made from a perspective other than yours. There are groups out there who want games about and/or by them and that's beginning to happen on an increasing scale. As the medium moves away from being dominated by capitalist industry and nerdy straight men you're going to see more and more of it.
Sure, there's plenty of room in the industry for different types of game appealing to different audiences (and I hate to shatter your illusions, but expanding the market like this is just good capitalism). But that's not what people like DokuDokuH are really complaining about, is it? People aren't just making games like, say, Papers Please to make political statements (about the realities of life under communist rule), and selling them alongside less political games like, oh, Dungeons of Dredmor. Politics are increasingly dominating the discourse in gaming journalism and blogs. And that is kind of weird. Gaming is a hobby. If you were to pick up, say, a model train enthusiast's magazine, it would be a bit odd for it to have frequent editorials analyzing the politics of the model train community - much less editorials condemning the model train community en masse as enemies of social justice. Now, I know you, and I suspect you might approve of more politically-charged articles in every forum, especially if they go on the offensive like this. But please recognize that you are atypical.
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That's a new development. Are the FBI chasing down m00t again?
EDIT: I did some trawling, the official gamergate imageboard is now 8chan /burgers/
No, two rouge mods were mass banning, moot has ignored it, leading to speculation that he supports anita and such.
Tim Schafer made a series of snarky tweets towards a guy who self identified as a gamergate member and got DDoSed for a while, since then he's been joking about the entire thing.
Schafer acted like a bit of a tool. What I'm talking about is stuff like this or this. Devs from microsoft, ubisoft, riot, stardock, and others have also come out in support of gamergate's message - and even more are forced to silently cheer us on.
Which bloggers are these and can I have some evidence of their influence? Because, again, criticism is common in other art forms. Often there are multiple groups of critics who don't agree with each other, so people saying "they don't like vidya because reasons" isn't that odd. Also, bear in mind that every other art form has political criticism and referencing. Why should games be excluded? What if I want political and social commentary in my game reviews?
If the 8 or so articles posted in a 12 hour period on the biggest gaming news sites about the "death of gamers" using nearly identical language and talking points isn't evidence of a coordinated group of bloggers with heavy influence in the industry, I don't really know what is.
Re: political agendas. I guess I didn't state this clearly. We want to remove political agendas from the people responsible for describing games to us. Every dev should be able to have their own agenda, and we encourage this. However, the subject matter and scope of a game should not be dictated by the whims of a few people with an agenda that won't let anything they don't like through. This stifles creativity, scares amazing people away from the industry, and hurts us all.
Sounds legit. Pretty sure that even politicians don't have to give full disclosure of all their funding so whatever, but disclosure of ties and history is good, if only so you know where a person is coming from and what they're likely to value in a game. You don't want the guy in Valve's pocket to be running a comparison between League of Legends and DOTA2, for example.
Glad we can agree on this one
Run this one by me again because I'm not sure I follow. Will this stop indies from using Patreon, Flattr, Indiegogo etc? Is is competitions only? (What's an indiecade?) EDIT: indiecade sounds like a fairly standard conference, so I'm probably missing something.
Okay, so a huge thing that came out of this thing was that several people in indie fund, which funded Fez, were also judges in the IGF awards that fez one. Another developer was sleeping with two judges in a contest that the dev's game won, as well as the head judge of another, who coordinates all the votes and picks the other judges. There were insane amounts of personal and financial conflicts of interest, and FEz got obvious preferential treatment that other devs didnt. This is, obviously, bad. Judges shouldn't be allowed to judge their friends. Indie fund and other organizations like it that purport to give out money to "good" games shouldn't just be giving money to their friends' games. This is a push for clarity and transparency in the industry.
Again, define political bull***** and making "gaming about games again".
I mean even Mario is vaguely pro-monarchist, if only because the first Mario game was based on heroic fairytales or whatever. IRL Monarchism is a political stance with significant argument focused around it in modern NZ and Australia.
See above: Its not the game devs we want to stop from politicizing. Its the commentators. Hurts devs. You know the drill by now, I hope
ALSO, I think its important to keep on going with document harassment against GG. Today:
Neogaf is doxxing people who email in to complain about hateful remarks against gamergate.
Wikipedia's entry on gamergate is getting spammed with lies and hate, and people are trying to get anyone who logs in to fix it banned for being a single-purpose account
Guy, fact is that several judges at IGF had a vested financial interest in FEZ's success. If you think otherwise, you must be misinformed. You can claim that it isn't relevant all you want, but in any other situation, if a judge has a personal or financial interest in the outcome of what theyre judging, they freaking recuse themselves. Based on your obvious agenda, will discussing this with you further have any point? If you refuse everything I state and assume the opposite without actually getting facts, you're contributing nothing. At the very least, address every point I make, as opposed to focusing on obvious anti-gg talking points.
Also, the actual block list. Major boycotts have focused on gamasutra, kotaku, polygon, which is why i quoted them. You STILL havent addressed our successful caompaigns to remove advertisers from the sites, or the multitude of devs, journalists, and other figures in the industry who have come out in support of us.
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What? What? Biotruths.
WHAT?
What are you even talking about here? Random moms scuttling the ERA?
Citation needed.
Right, right, privilege isn't a thing either.
This post is off the rails even for you. Normally I can parse what you're trying to say and make sense of it. But half of these "Facts" are made up, and it's tied together by raving insanity. Seriously I don't even know what you're posting about at this point?
All of that aside, I don't care if this woman slept with Barack Obama, Henry Kissinger, and Condoleezza Rice all at once, it doesn't justify rape and death threats. Idle hands are truly the devil's workshop.
Turns out both anita and zoe's police reports never happened. They lied.
In addition, Zoe was encouraging people to post hateful crap with the #gamergate tag for free video games (along the lines of "I want to murder and rape women in gtaV #gamergate")
And last but not least, Kotaku, Polygon, and Gamasutra (among others) are seeing huge traffic drops since this debacle began. Advertisers are beginning to pull from their sites and distance themselves.
We're winning!
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Point: the last three times gamergate said they had rock solid evidence of corruption they got the dates wrong, chased someone our of journalism for a problem their editors had introduced to the opinion piece, and got hyped over a 200+ character twitter post, so there's a good record of research abilities in this organization.
Also Anita is in talks with the FBI for the most recent harassment, which is why there's no evidence of her talking with the police: she went over their heads. (second confirmation). Someone else can unpick the rest of the post.
Art is life itself.
For evidence of traffic, just go to alexa.
For zoe and the false flag tweets, I'll look for em right now - that news is two days old, but very very much happened. We're reported it to nintendo.
EDit: two links for ya. one with and one without zoe. Nintendo of America JUST replied to me today, so I may update on this tonight.
https://twitter.com/TripleSK7/status/510827524775878657/photo/1
https://archive.today/ia40D
EDIT: alexa links
http://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/kotaku.com
http://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/polygon.com
http://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/gamasutra.com
Ill get the advertiser info soon too
EDIT: Heres one. Several have already dropped. I'm having some GG people compile a list of dropped advertisers, so I'll get that shortly.
https://twitter.com/Chriss_m/status/509486352174694400
Final edit for now; the gamergate info dump site. IT'll be more presentable eventually.
http://gamergate.giz.moe/
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As for the nintendo remark - the false flag ops have been using codes for nintendo games to encourage their hate spam. We contacted Nintendo America over the weekend to see if there was a possibility to cut off those codes. Nintendo is seeing what it can do today, and has expressed (at least to me, in my email chain with them) that they do not want to be associated with that behavior.
Those stats show yearly growth, and a literal landslide shortly after gamergate began. Dismiss what you want, but fact is people are going to those sites less, and advertisers are pulling out. Kotaku and Poly have announced policy changes, but it hasn't done much.
And, if you haven't noticed, I've only mentioned Zoe Quinn in her actions to attempt to discredit the movement - none of us could give a **** who she's banging, only that shes lying about what gamergate is, and lying about gamergate's actions. However, I DO notice that everyone who opposes gamergate uses any mention of her, no matter how valid, to attack the entire argument.
But nice try.
EDIT: For comparison, Escapist has been providing rational, reasonable analysis of gamergate. Check their traffic since september.
http://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/escapistmagazine.com
Probably PURE conicedence.
Another EDIT: Quinn undid her retweet, but left her response up:
https://twitter.com/TheQuinnspiracy/status/510809211375067136
Not even an archive. I hope you feel like an idiot now
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So Zoe still lying about hers is...?
The FOIA is pending, I'm not going to believe her until there's actual evidence. Again, judging by her past actions, I'd be willing to bet that there was no actual reason for her to submit it to the FBI and was done entirely for attention (again, as she has done so many times in the past)
Gonna ignore the rest of the facts, though?
GUY: gonna respond to you later, battery is dying. IF you're going to discount facts beacuse they arent pretty enough for you, you really need to get out of this discussion. More importantly, not a single thing i posted fits your bull***** description.
Also, GB wasnt involved in the hate campaign.
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Great, lets both agree she is an irrelevant liar and should be ignored in the greater context of this discussion, as should anita.
Giantbomb isn't on the boycott list. Every major site on the boycott list (I can get it for you later) has seen a drop in traffic. You STILL haven't addressed the advertisers that are dropping from these sites.
The police originally stated that there was no report, then corrected their statement. I missed Milo's post regarding that. You, on the other hand, just dismissed facts you didnt even look at because you thought they'd have "ms-paint lines". I think its clear you have an agenda here.
If we're going talk about the severity of actions of individuals, Multiple anti-GG journalists and devs HAVE DOXXED PEOPLE AND ENCOURAGED HARASSMENT, including a transgender minor. They've admitted to ruining people's careers for siding with gamergate. They harass minorities and women who disagree with them. The level of harassment coming out of the anti-GG side is far, far greater than what anyone affiliated with the tag has done.
As it stands, gamergate is about inclusiveness, openness to ALL perspectives, and fixing the corruption in the industry. Those against us have excluded, silenced, and orchestrated vicious, extensive hate campaigns to try and destroy the movement (to no avail).
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Here's what the FBI's website says:
FOIA Exemptions
(b)(7) Records or information compiled for law enforcement purposes, but only to the extent that the production of such law enforcement records or information:
A. Could reasonably be expected to interfere with enforcement proceedings;
B. Would deprive a person of a right to a fair trial or an impartial adjudication;
C. Could reasonably be expected to constitute an unwarranted invasion of personal privacy;
D. Could reasonably be expected to disclose the identity of confidential source, including a state, local, or foreign agency or authority or any private institution that furnished information on a confidential basis, and, in the case of a record or information compiled by a criminal law enforcement authority in the course of a criminal investigation or by an agency conducting a lawful national security intelligence investigation, information furnished by a confidential source;
E. Would disclose techniques and procedures for law enforcement investigations or prosecutions or would disclose guidelines for law enforcement investigations or prosecutions if such disclosure could reasonably be expected to risk circumvention of the law, or;
F. Could reasonably be expected to endanger the life or physical safety or any individual.
Source: http://www.fbi.gov/foia/foia-exemptions
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The sooner the better, IMO. Some of those corrupt ****s are insufferable in person.
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Lets be real, we've also got subsections of the internet's record for harassing her for no good reason. (first comment is a doozy)
Gamerfuel™ Xbox One™ Omega!™ Each pack contains a serving of Doritos™ swimming in Mountain Dew™! Gamerfuel™ is a trademark of Microsoft. This PSA sponsored by Microsoft™. "Xbox One, the only One you need."™
Seriously if you're looking for corruption follow the money.
That's wrong tho.
Re this tweet: yeah that was dumb as hell of her, assuming she's serious (see the Lord Zoeldemort response vs the Literally Who debacle). The accounts she retweeted from look like they're for trolling so idk if they were serious, but if they are then they're chumps. source 1 source 2 Honestly GG doesn't need help looking mad because:
If we're back to this, you're glossing over GG tweeting child porn at Anita Sarkeesian, threatening murder towards journalists, kicking Mattie Brice out of the games industry, and doxing Phil Fish. Also see my previous posts on #notyourshield.
Attempt to read the logs. They're (probably) too huge to fake.
By hiring Milo Yiannopoulos, the guy who still owes his workers back-pay from the time his last company nosedived?
I'm not entirely certain you've actually read the articles you're so mad about. Saying (I'm paraphrasing here) "the Gamer identity has an attached stereotype of young angry males that isn't reflected in the reality of people who buy games and so games don't always have to be made to appeal to that stereotype to be profitable" is hardly an extended harassment campaign.
Art is life itself.
So both are fair assumptions. More on this later, though.
Like to tons of cash Fish and Quinn have made off their games and awards? I think that's what been done. Doritogate was a joke. THIS is harmful not just to gamers, but to other devs.
First, I need to get this out of the way: Every single public figure ever gets death threats for pretty much everything they do. This is not something unique to Anita, to feminists in the games industry, or women in public positions. Anita is just one of the VERY few that attempt to exploit this internet trolling for cash. Regardless, I'd be willing to bet that the collective "sjw" journalists have expressed their wish for the death of far more individuals than have threatened them.
Second, MORE journalists and game devs have gotten in trouble and lost their jobs for being on the other side of the debate - i can probably get sources for you later, if you'd like (too lazy right now). Even more are afraid to speak out publicly in support of gamergate beacuse they know they would lose their jobs (some have posted anonymously, incl. from microsoft, ubisoft).
Third, there has been ONE documented doxxing (of fish) that you can even argue was part of gamergate. Phis, Zoe, and Leigh alexander have EACH doxxed or linked to doxx files for multiple individuals, including minors.
And what about notyourshield?
Give me a week and I'll bring you 4chan logs proving that pedobear conspired to elect obama. Also, I proved that my link was legit.
Getting personal? Milo has done better work than all the bloggers at kotaku, gamasutra, and polygon combined. More importantly, who is hiring him?
Its the equivalent to writing off the ferguson riots as "just a bunch of pissy blacks". And that wasn't the only coordinated campaign they've had. They coordianted "harassment" announcements on twitter, cooridnated takedowns of opposition content on 4chan and reddit, they did the articles, they had two days of false flagging like I linked to before - and others. They've attacked, insulted, and attempted to discredit every woman and minority that associates with #notyourshield. Its the same people every time, saying the exact same things within moments of each others. This is absolutely an extended (and thankfully unsuccessful) assault on gamergate.
EDIT: Shadowbanning in front of julian assange https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bxm49_NIEAA9Vd5.jpg:large
Oh, and I'm not paraphrasing here:
**** the person that wrote that.
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Okay so #Gamergate was first used by Adam Baldwin to refer to an anti Zoe Quinn conspiracy theory/salty boyfriend's breakup rant, #notyourshield was cooked up on 4chan before getting picked up by troll accounts and occasionally actual people.
Every single woman in videogames maybe. Either there's something wrong with this world or (judging by the reaction in the media to people getting death threats) your argument is incorrect.
He's the guy who said "Anita Sarkeesian is totally lying about death threats guys" then had to be cajoled into admitting she'd gone to the FBI rather than the police, and did so in a way that apparently hasn't allowed that to sink in.
Screw it, this took like an hour and a half and burrowing through the internet's rage has made me really angry. I'm out.
EDIT: apparently this is about the guy that got banned?
Art is life itself.
I dont get this - why are gamergate opponents always so concerned with the origins of the hashtag, instead of where the movement is now? (not to mention, the 4chan BS has no proof beyond easily faked 'logs')? Whatever the origin, gamergate is now a huge, and very real, movement encompassing all gamers, with wide support. New journalists and devs are coming out of the woodwork to support us daily. On the twitter hashtag, a new "thank you gamergate" manifesto from one dev or another is posted what seems like hourly. Address that, and no some irrelevant talking point.
Oh, and if notyourshield started on 4chan, it was probably women.
No, I meant every person, especially in video games. This is nothing new - devs mention it all the time, usually humorously. VERY few flip a ***** the way feminists do, but thats just a part of their internalized victimhood mentality. Heck, check the minecraft twitter accounts - Jeb ges death threats for every damn patch note.
You need to internet better. He posted a police email where the cops confirmed that she did not file a report. Later, they clarified that she may have filed an FBI report, and he immediately posted the correction.
Yeah, turns out he got shadowbanned for upvoting gamergate content, not for asking the question. Regardless, wikileaks is giving the tag some love now - all the better for us.
Not true at all. Milo posted about the death threats he got on a minor article not related to gamergate. Plenty of my friends in the industry have seen threats, and the violence and scope of the threats doesnt vary much regardless of gender or anything else (aside from the perceived magnitude of the "offense")
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Also your definition of hate post seems odd, what with your post about the ubiquity of death threats.
Art is life itself.
If I may ask, where are you getting your info on the state of gamergate? The only people I see discussing the whole "they have n o clear goal" thing have a vested interest in destroying the movement.
And what is unclear about the hate post thing?
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The work filter comes back up in a half hour but I've got rocks to photograph, can you summarize?
'cause I've been watching and it seems like the major voice in gamergate is pretty creepy and right wing, and that always makes me nervous.
There's also the apparent focus on being anti-artistic criticism & anti-opinion pieces in gaming, and turning games journalism into a way to create scores out of ten for the newest game. Critical discussion of themes is important in art (Moviebob summarizes that well).
I post a thing saying "according to this opinion piece gamers are crazy" and it's a hate post. You post a thing saying "people involved in videogames get death threats" and it's legit and not a hate post, despite the overlap.
Art is life itself.
You should know that 4chan is aggressively censoring any pro-gamergate content, and banning anyone who posts it. I've mostly been following the twitter tag, and its pretty concise there. Devs are mostly *****ting in fear right now - a bad move can and has ended careers. Several devs have come out in support of gamergate, though, and I haven't seeen as much from the other side (Fish excluded).
Gamergate has focused in on three things:
First, we want to remove political agendas from gaming. Everyone and anyone should be allowed to create games that they want without being beholden to the views of a small, powerful clique of bloggers that can make or break your game.
Second, we want these bloggers to conform to an ethical standard; in this case, fully disclosing any persoanl and financial conflicts of interest and associations with the products they are blogging about.
Third, we want to disclaim and eliminate the ties between game devs and the industry as a whole; from contests like indicade to financing projects like Indie Fund.
In short, we want gaming to be about the games again, free of the political bull***** that is currently plaguing the industry.
Wait, what? The link to the death threats post was specifically to highlight that all devs get them - not to encourage them. The article you linked to was a hit piece meant to discredit and attack gamers. I am still confused on this one.
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I haven't been following the gamergate thing that closely, but I glanced at the piece you linked here and if this is the sort of thing the pro-gamergate people are miffed about, then they have a point. Isn't this exactly the kind of hackneyed and biased journalism that underwrites a legitimate gripe about journalistic standards?
Headline: Gamers are outraged that a spiritual successor to Megaman has hired a woman on the team.
Evidence: Four cherry-picked quotes dredged up from the bowels of Reddit.
Reality: Even though the author was permitted to cherry pick outliers and anecdotal evidence as he saw fit, the article still doesn't comport with the headline. None of the four people quoted in the article is upset because Abou Karam is a woman. What they are actually concerned about is the game they backed becoming a vehicle for feminist agitprop. And that is a perfectly legitimate concern for a backer to have. People don't have to back art they don't like. Granted, it's foolish to believe that a single community manager has that kind of influence over a game's content. That's stupid, but it's not misogynistic.
Your usage of the article: As supporting evidence for the quantity of death threats received by women. Death threats aren't even mentioned in the article.
This is why I like the stance taken by The Escapist -- they created a policy designed to separate facts from allegations, opinions, and innuendo, and to give the other side a chance to state their position fairly rather than having some straw-man version of it stapled to them by some hack looking for a headline -- and if that's the only change that results from "gamergate," then the dustup was already worth something, regardless of whether or not it started as some kind of 4chan "black op" or whatever.
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Yeah I kinda skimmed the article, my bad. I assumed they'd reference /v/'s campaign from back then too.
That's a new development. Are the FBI chasing down m00t again?
EDIT: I did some trawling, the official gamergate imageboard is now 8chan /burgers/
Tim Schafer made a series of snarky tweets towards a guy who self identified as a gamergate member and got DDoSed for a while, since then he's been joking about the entire thing.
Which bloggers are these and can I have some evidence of their influence? Because, again, criticism is common in other art forms. Often there are multiple groups of critics who don't agree with each other, so people saying "they don't like vidya because reasons" isn't that odd. Also, bear in mind that every other art form has political criticism and referencing. Why should games be excluded? What if I want political and social commentary in my game reviews?
Honestly, forced removal of political agendas and allowing anyone to make anything feels like a contradiction. You're gonna have to define political agendas for me.
Like, is Hideo Kojima's anti-nuke stance something you want removed from Metal Gear?
GTA's parody of US culture?
Battlefield Hardline's "militarized police are awesome!" stance?
DEFCON status as a game about mutually assured destruction and how unwinnable a full nuclear exchange would be?
Analogue (A Hate Story) and the use of a scifi setting to make commentary on feminism in a historical context?
Mass Effect including gay relationships?
Bastion's entire backstory?
Prison Architect and the near-inevitable failure of the for-profit prison model?
I mean, even League of Legends has the fields of justice and the argument that forced gladiator combat is better than open warfare.
Seriously where're we going with this?
Sounds legit. Pretty sure that even politicians don't have to give full disclosure of all their funding so whatever, but disclosure of ties and history is good, if only so you know where a person is coming from and what they're likely to value in a game. You don't want the guy in Valve's pocket to be running a comparison between League of Legends and DOTA2, for example.
Run this one by me again because I'm not sure I follow. Will this stop indies from using Patreon, Flattr, Indiegogo etc? Is is competitions only? (What's an indiecade?) EDIT: indiecade sounds like a fairly standard conference, so I'm probably missing something.
Again, define political bull***** and making "gaming about games again".
I mean even Mario is vaguely pro-monarchist, if only because the first Mario game was based on heroic fairytales or whatever. IRL Monarchism is a political stance with significant argument focused around it in modern NZ and Australia.
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No, two rouge mods were mass banning, moot has ignored it, leading to speculation that he supports anita and such.
Schafer acted like a bit of a tool. What I'm talking about is stuff like this or this. Devs from microsoft, ubisoft, riot, stardock, and others have also come out in support of gamergate's message - and even more are forced to silently cheer us on.
If the 8 or so articles posted in a 12 hour period on the biggest gaming news sites about the "death of gamers" using nearly identical language and talking points isn't evidence of a coordinated group of bloggers with heavy influence in the industry, I don't really know what is.
Re: political agendas. I guess I didn't state this clearly. We want to remove political agendas from the people responsible for describing games to us. Every dev should be able to have their own agenda, and we encourage this. However, the subject matter and scope of a game should not be dictated by the whims of a few people with an agenda that won't let anything they don't like through. This stifles creativity, scares amazing people away from the industry, and hurts us all.
Glad we can agree on this one
Okay, so a huge thing that came out of this thing was that several people in indie fund, which funded Fez, were also judges in the IGF awards that fez one. Another developer was sleeping with two judges in a contest that the dev's game won, as well as the head judge of another, who coordinates all the votes and picks the other judges. There were insane amounts of personal and financial conflicts of interest, and FEz got obvious preferential treatment that other devs didnt. This is, obviously, bad. Judges shouldn't be allowed to judge their friends. Indie fund and other organizations like it that purport to give out money to "good" games shouldn't just be giving money to their friends' games. This is a push for clarity and transparency in the industry.
See above: Its not the game devs we want to stop from politicizing. Its the commentators. Hurts devs. You know the drill by now, I hope
ALSO, I think its important to keep on going with document harassment against GG. Today:
Neogaf is doxxing people who email in to complain about hateful remarks against gamergate.
Wikipedia's entry on gamergate is getting spammed with lies and hate, and people are trying to get anyone who logs in to fix it banned for being a single-purpose account
Yeah, beacuse child porn, rape and murder are soooo much better than the threads that are being banned. I'll leave this here for you.
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Also, the actual block list. Major boycotts have focused on gamasutra, kotaku, polygon, which is why i quoted them. You STILL havent addressed our successful caompaigns to remove advertisers from the sites, or the multitude of devs, journalists, and other figures in the industry who have come out in support of us.
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