I dislike how it's USA based companies ruining things for the rest of us. Is it against any significant rule for non US citizens to sign these things?
The US is only ruining it for the US. Other countries have their own net neutrality issues and what we do here has no impact over there.
Net neutrality only applies to American ISPs.
Except that a large portion of the internet runs through the United States.
Also, NZ lawmakers and enforcers are pretty much in the USA's pocket because of trading agreements and stuff.
@Elvish: It says I need a Zip Code to create accounts, how likely am I to get in any kind of trouble if I use a fake one because I'm signing in from NZ?
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@Elvish: It says I need a Zip Code to create accounts, how likely am I to get in any kind of trouble if I use a fake one because I'm signing in from NZ?
Not likely at all, if they check they won't count your vote. But realistically internet petitions mean very little for exactly the reason you identified -- anyone can sign and its hard to verify.
Now, if you were signing a paper petition that would be even worse and typically hurts your cause more than helps it if you aren't a valid petitioner. Most states invalidate the entire page of signatures if there is one invalid signature on the page. So, on a paper petition you would actually be having a significantly negative impact on the signature count by signing it :).
I dislike how it's USA based companies ruining things for the rest of us. Is it against any significant rule for non US citizens to sign these things?
The US is only ruining it for the US. Other countries have their own net neutrality issues and what we do here has no impact over there.
Net neutrality only applies to American ISPs.
Except that a large portion of the internet runs through the United States.
Net neutrality is about how American service providers provide content. Foreigners don't get their content from American service providers, even if the website is American. They're two separate things and net neutrality has no impact on any non-Americans access unless they are IN America.
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What's the big deal? You could have played multiple Righteous Avengers for years now.
Net neutrality is about how American service providers provide content. Foreigners don't get their content from American service providers, even if the website is American. They're two separate things and net neutrality has no impact on any non-Americans access unless they are IN America.
Are you saying that American ISP's and Tier 1 companies wouldn't be able to charge foreign websites to handle their traffic through the US for faster speeds to various parts of the world outside the US?
So Level 3 Communications, Inc. is a tier 1 network that connects large ISP's to the rest of the Internet (If you can get Internet), they're claiming that 6 different Internet Providers (5 in the U.S. and 1 from Europe) are purposely throttling their customers by lowering their speeds so they can get more money out of Level 3, so If you've been having issues with places like Netflix lately this is probably the reason why.
This is what Level 3's Mark Taylor had to say on the issue, "They are deliberately harming the service they deliver to their paying customers. They are not allowing us to fulfill the requests their customers make for content. Large broadband consumer networks with a dominant or exclusive market share in their local market in countries or markets where consumers have multiple broadband choices there are no congested peers. Our policy is to refuse to pay arbitrary charges to add interconnection capacity."
Now If you remember awhile back Comcast and Verizon did this to Netflix, people who use Comcast and Verizon's Internet when they tried to go on Netflix the speeds would go down to a crawl, they couldn't use Netflix, and Netflix HAD to pay Comcast and Verizon extra money to increase their customer's speed. This is what Netflix CEO Reed Hastings had to say on the issue, "While in the short term Netflix will in cases reluctantly pay ISP's to ensure a high quality member experience, we will continue to fight for the internet the world needs and deserves."
But don't worry Tom Wheeler's new Net Neutrality rules will protect the Internet right? Tom Wheeler who was nominated by President Obama last May lobbied Congress to deregulate the Cable Industry in the early 1980's and as the head of Cellular Telecommunications & Internet Association from 1992-2004 he oversaw a number of efforts to keep the Wireless Industry from being hampered with too many annoying FCC regulations. He was also previously president of the National Cable Television Association and the CEO of the Cellular Telecommunications & Internet Association which are both two really good Lobbying groups who are against Net Neutrality and now he's the Chairman of the FCC.
Now you see why Net Neutrality is so important, we can't depend on Tom Wheeler cause he's been bought and paid for by the ISP's, the Cable Companies, by the Industry, he's their yes man. He doesn't care about keeping Net Neutrality in place cause he's doing what the corporations paid him to do. We need to fight for Net Neutrality cause otherwise everything's going to get more expensive and whose pockets are going to get hurt in the end? Ours. The last thing to happen to the Internet is censorship by the Government and we don't want that to happen do we?
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"Most men and women will grow up to love their servitude and will never dream of revolution." - Aldous Huxley, Brave New World
"Every life decision is always a risk / reward proposition." - Sanjay Gupta
The market model is also shifting to more platforms, there are also more ways to arrive at the internet than before. The problem with not reinforcing net neutrality is that people will compete for wires or air space, and this will conclude that more buyers will shift to the new market model. This is why AOL is no longer the big fish when it tried to create the closed internet with it's own unique websites. The genie is out of the bag, certainly you can bottle bits and pieces of the genie. Yet, the genie is out there and people will figure out ways to "break through" the gridlock. This is what I am more concerned about with vigilantism with the online universe as a regard to safety and business. Trying to mess with people who can screw up functionality without being caught is a dangerous game to play when it comes to corporate security outside of market forces.
Consumers will find new choices out there, while hackers will make corporations that overreach lives miserable and pass their misery onto targets inside of the industry. I do not see the internet being the "golden age" to "end all evil," it's a tool like any other that can hurt or help. There's a point to where branding and perception by the public has to go hand in glove with security concerns. I do not support vigilante groups against corporations, but am merely acknowledging their effectiveness at some points to cause mischief.
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The market model is also shifting to more platforms, there are also more ways to arrive at the internet than before. The problem with not reinforcing net neutrality is that people will compete for wires or air space, and this will conclude that more buyers will shift to the new market model. This is why AOL is no longer the big fish when it tried to create the closed internet with it's own unique websites. The genie is out of the bag, certainly you can bottle bits and pieces of the genie. Yet, the genie is out there and people will figure out ways to "break through" the gridlock. This is what I am more concerned about with vigilantism with the online universe as a regard to safety and business. Trying to mess with people who can screw up functionality without being caught is a dangerous game to play when it comes to corporate security outside of market forces.
Consumers will find new choices out there, while hackers will make corporations that overreach lives miserable and pass their misery onto targets inside of the industry. I do not see the internet being the "golden age" to "end all evil," it's a tool like any other that can hurt or help. There's a point to where branding and perception by the public has to go hand in glove with security concerns. I do not support vigilante groups against corporations, but am merely acknowledging their effectiveness at some points to cause mischief.
Wow. You do understand you need millions if not billions of dollars worth of fiber optics to get to the internet, dont you? I'm not sure how we "break into the internet" with out the infrastructure that is controlled by ISP's.
The market model is also shifting to more platforms, there are also more ways to arrive at the internet than before. The problem with not reinforcing net neutrality is that people will compete for wires or air space, and this will conclude that more buyers will shift to the new market model. This is why AOL is no longer the big fish when it tried to create the closed internet with it's own unique websites. The genie is out of the bag, certainly you can bottle bits and pieces of the genie. Yet, the genie is out there and people will figure out ways to "break through" the gridlock. This is what I am more concerned about with vigilantism with the online universe as a regard to safety and business. Trying to mess with people who can screw up functionality without being caught is a dangerous game to play when it comes to corporate security outside of market forces.
Consumers will find new choices out there, while hackers will make corporations that overreach lives miserable and pass their misery onto targets inside of the industry. I do not see the internet being the "golden age" to "end all evil," it's a tool like any other that can hurt or help. There's a point to where branding and perception by the public has to go hand in glove with security concerns. I do not support vigilante groups against corporations, but am merely acknowledging their effectiveness at some points to cause mischief.
Wow. You do understand you need millions if not billions of dollars worth of fiber optics to get to the internet, dont you? I'm not sure how we "break into the internet" with out the infrastructure that is controlled by ISP's.
Think of how your television set works and what options you have other than cable. There's a few frequencies that are controlled by the government that aren't even used for any commercial use at all that Google and other companies desperately want to use. There's some flexibility within the framework to play with the game, they might be as strong... but there are ways to slowly build up access through alternative means without fiber optics. Not cheap, but they do exist.
Even then, there's also angel investors and the like that do like to mess with certain "disruptive industries." The point is that the "closed garden approach" didn't work the last time, and you have some ISP's that are smaller and regional that won't entertain that sort of profit strategy and then grow into areas with people that want to buy into those business models.
You really don't know much about the cable industry, either, which historically in the start was rather crude and ran wires everywhere to get television channels from the satellite. It doesn't take much to hook up a few hours and charge for internet in the sticks. Urban and some suburban areas would have a dilemma, but we also have to consider cash infusion as well as other mechanisms.
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"Restriction breeds creativity." - Sheldon Menery on EDH / Commander in Magic: The Gathering
"Cancel Culture is the real reason why everyone's not allowed to have nice things anymore." - Anonymous
"For what will it profit a man if he gains the whole world, and loses his own soul?" - Mark 8:36
"Most men and women will grow up to love their servitude and will never dream of revolution." - Aldous Huxley, Brave New World
"Every life decision is always a risk / reward proposition." - Sanjay Gupta
Think of how your television set works and what options you have other than cable. There's a few frequencies that are controlled by the government that aren't even used for any commercial use at all that Google and other companies desperately want to use. There's some flexibility within the framework to play with the game, they might be as strong... but there are ways to slowly build up access through alternative means without fiber optics. Not cheap, but they do exist.
If it's not cheap (or even possible, since any frequency good enough to transmit video is regulated by the FCC) then how are you supposed to compete in the market? If there's no way for your business not to operate and take losses then it's still a monopoly.
You really don't know much about the cable industry, either
But I do!
What you're saying is nonsense, if there was money to be made here it would have been made.
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What's the big deal? You could have played multiple Righteous Avengers for years now.
Its a lost cause i think, the mass does not care enough.
Given how many people commented about net neutrality preventing cable company ****ery, I have to disagree with you, Billy. The problem isn't that people don't care, as much as Congress and the FCC don't care. All we had to do was call it preventing cable company ****ery.
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Card advantage is not the same thing as card draw. Something for 2B cannot be strictly worse than something for BBB or 3BB. If you're taking out Swords to Plowshares for Plummet, you're a fool. Stop doing these things!
"Restriction breeds creativity." - Sheldon Menery on EDH / Commander in Magic: The Gathering
"Cancel Culture is the real reason why everyone's not allowed to have nice things anymore." - Anonymous
"For what will it profit a man if he gains the whole world, and loses his own soul?" - Mark 8:36
"Most men and women will grow up to love their servitude and will never dream of revolution." - Aldous Huxley, Brave New World
"Every life decision is always a risk / reward proposition." - Sanjay Gupta
Its an internet petition they'll just accept or deny it based on their previous goal rather than let it influence things.
That is a possibility however President Obama did make a recent statement urging the FCC to reclassify broadband under Title II of the Telecommunications Act in regards to his stance on net neutrality yet the irony of all this is that he appointed Tom Wheeler as chairman of the FCC knowing that he was a lobbyist to the cable industry before he became chairman of the FCC. There's lots of lobbying coming from industries and corporations that want net neutrality and they would be losing lots of money If net neutrality was killed.
Google and Netflix really want net neutrality put in place because they would have to pay all the cable companies to make sure they have enough speed and bandwidth for people to keep going to their websites. If net neutrality was killed then it would be good for them since it would kill their competition however the lobbyists must of thought about what would have benefited them more financially: Having competition be killed, stifled severely, or having to pay these legal bribes If net neutrality is killed "claiming" that they're for net neutrality.
There's a lot of money being pumped into Washington by special interest groups that want to see net neutrality stay alive so If you think it was the people talking that made President Obama make that statement you're wrong cause it was the money that more than likely made him talk where the only thing that gets anything done in Washington is the almighty dollar. Unfortunately special interest groups like Virizon, Comcast, and Time Warner Cable want to see net neutrality die for their own personal gain because they don't want to compete against Google and Netflix when it's not even about money or competition, it's about people in the U.S. having their 1st Amendment rights applied with net neutrality itself.
After President Obama made his statement on Net Neutrality, Senator Ted Cruz goes out comparing it to the Affordable Care Act:
"Restriction breeds creativity." - Sheldon Menery on EDH / Commander in Magic: The Gathering
"Cancel Culture is the real reason why everyone's not allowed to have nice things anymore." - Anonymous
"For what will it profit a man if he gains the whole world, and loses his own soul?" - Mark 8:36
"Most men and women will grow up to love their servitude and will never dream of revolution." - Aldous Huxley, Brave New World
"Every life decision is always a risk / reward proposition." - Sanjay Gupta
To be fair, if Obama had said that the sky is generally a blue colour unless there are clouds covering it Ted cruz would come out and say that the sky is really orange, and calling it blue is a terrorist plot.
Ted Cruz is a moron who only wants to disagree with Obama.
To be fair, if Obama had said that the sky is generally a blue colour unless there are clouds covering it Ted cruz would come out and say that the sky is really orange, and calling it blue is a terrorist plot.
Ted Cruz is a moron who only wants to disagree with Obama.
Cruz's comment aside, what makes people think that regulating the internet even more is going to result in anything good?
The good it will result in, if it is treated as a utility, is potentially the further enticement to provide the last mile to a lot of rural areas.
The negative, is all the crap associated with cable already (unnecessary regional monopolies with heavy handed control of content.
I'm unsure if making it a public utility is a good or a bad, but I am sure that I would prefer govenrment mandated net neutrality over the fast lane/ slow lane approach.
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Define significant?
Except that a large portion of the internet runs through the United States.
@Elvish: It says I need a Zip Code to create accounts, how likely am I to get in any kind of trouble if I use a fake one because I'm signing in from NZ?
Art is life itself.
An automated system might flag your vote since you'd have a nz signature, but I dont see them actually doing anything to you
Art is life itself.
Not likely at all, if they check they won't count your vote. But realistically internet petitions mean very little for exactly the reason you identified -- anyone can sign and its hard to verify.
Now, if you were signing a paper petition that would be even worse and typically hurts your cause more than helps it if you aren't a valid petitioner. Most states invalidate the entire page of signatures if there is one invalid signature on the page. So, on a paper petition you would actually be having a significantly negative impact on the signature count by signing it :).
Net neutrality is about how American service providers provide content. Foreigners don't get their content from American service providers, even if the website is American. They're two separate things and net neutrality has no impact on any non-Americans access unless they are IN America.
Are you saying that American ISP's and Tier 1 companies wouldn't be able to charge foreign websites to handle their traffic through the US for faster speeds to various parts of the world outside the US?
Different architecture.
This is what Level 3's Mark Taylor had to say on the issue, "They are deliberately harming the service they deliver to their paying customers. They are not allowing us to fulfill the requests their customers make for content. Large broadband consumer networks with a dominant or exclusive market share in their local market in countries or markets where consumers have multiple broadband choices there are no congested peers. Our policy is to refuse to pay arbitrary charges to add interconnection capacity."
Now If you remember awhile back Comcast and Verizon did this to Netflix, people who use Comcast and Verizon's Internet when they tried to go on Netflix the speeds would go down to a crawl, they couldn't use Netflix, and Netflix HAD to pay Comcast and Verizon extra money to increase their customer's speed. This is what Netflix CEO Reed Hastings had to say on the issue, "While in the short term Netflix will in cases reluctantly pay ISP's to ensure a high quality member experience, we will continue to fight for the internet the world needs and deserves."
But don't worry Tom Wheeler's new Net Neutrality rules will protect the Internet right? Tom Wheeler who was nominated by President Obama last May lobbied Congress to deregulate the Cable Industry in the early 1980's and as the head of Cellular Telecommunications & Internet Association from 1992-2004 he oversaw a number of efforts to keep the Wireless Industry from being hampered with too many annoying FCC regulations. He was also previously president of the National Cable Television Association and the CEO of the Cellular Telecommunications & Internet Association which are both two really good Lobbying groups who are against Net Neutrality and now he's the Chairman of the FCC.
Now you see why Net Neutrality is so important, we can't depend on Tom Wheeler cause he's been bought and paid for by the ISP's, the Cable Companies, by the Industry, he's their yes man. He doesn't care about keeping Net Neutrality in place cause he's doing what the corporations paid him to do. We need to fight for Net Neutrality cause otherwise everything's going to get more expensive and whose pockets are going to get hurt in the end? Ours. The last thing to happen to the Internet is censorship by the Government and we don't want that to happen do we?
"Restriction breeds creativity." - Sheldon Menery on EDH / Commander in Magic: The Gathering
"Cancel Culture is the real reason why everyone's not allowed to have nice things anymore." - Anonymous
"For what will it profit a man if he gains the whole world, and loses his own soul?" - Mark 8:36
"Most men and women will grow up to love their servitude and will never dream of revolution." - Aldous Huxley, Brave New World
"Every life decision is always a risk / reward proposition." - Sanjay Gupta
Consumers will find new choices out there, while hackers will make corporations that overreach lives miserable and pass their misery onto targets inside of the industry. I do not see the internet being the "golden age" to "end all evil," it's a tool like any other that can hurt or help. There's a point to where branding and perception by the public has to go hand in glove with security concerns. I do not support vigilante groups against corporations, but am merely acknowledging their effectiveness at some points to cause mischief.
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Wow. You do understand you need millions if not billions of dollars worth of fiber optics to get to the internet, dont you? I'm not sure how we "break into the internet" with out the infrastructure that is controlled by ISP's.
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The standard to which the forum moderators apply the rules here.
Think of how your television set works and what options you have other than cable. There's a few frequencies that are controlled by the government that aren't even used for any commercial use at all that Google and other companies desperately want to use. There's some flexibility within the framework to play with the game, they might be as strong... but there are ways to slowly build up access through alternative means without fiber optics. Not cheap, but they do exist.
Even then, there's also angel investors and the like that do like to mess with certain "disruptive industries." The point is that the "closed garden approach" didn't work the last time, and you have some ISP's that are smaller and regional that won't entertain that sort of profit strategy and then grow into areas with people that want to buy into those business models.
You really don't know much about the cable industry, either, which historically in the start was rather crude and ran wires everywhere to get television channels from the satellite. It doesn't take much to hook up a few hours and charge for internet in the sticks. Urban and some suburban areas would have a dilemma, but we also have to consider cash infusion as well as other mechanisms.
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http://www.fcc.gov/comments
"Restriction breeds creativity." - Sheldon Menery on EDH / Commander in Magic: The Gathering
"Cancel Culture is the real reason why everyone's not allowed to have nice things anymore." - Anonymous
"For what will it profit a man if he gains the whole world, and loses his own soul?" - Mark 8:36
"Most men and women will grow up to love their servitude and will never dream of revolution." - Aldous Huxley, Brave New World
"Every life decision is always a risk / reward proposition." - Sanjay Gupta
If it's not cheap (or even possible, since any frequency good enough to transmit video is regulated by the FCC) then how are you supposed to compete in the market? If there's no way for your business not to operate and take losses then it's still a monopoly.
But I do!
What you're saying is nonsense, if there was money to be made here it would have been made.
John Oliver rallys 45000 comments to the FCC
Astroturf efforts against net neutrality
Given how many people commented about
net neutralitypreventing cable company ****ery, I have to disagree with you, Billy. The problem isn't that people don't care, as much as Congress and the FCC don't care. All we had to do was call it preventing cable company ****ery.On phasing:
https://www.battleforthenet.com/?t=dXNlcmlkPTUyNjkxMzAxLGVtYWlsaWQ9OTIzNQ==
"Restriction breeds creativity." - Sheldon Menery on EDH / Commander in Magic: The Gathering
"Cancel Culture is the real reason why everyone's not allowed to have nice things anymore." - Anonymous
"For what will it profit a man if he gains the whole world, and loses his own soul?" - Mark 8:36
"Most men and women will grow up to love their servitude and will never dream of revolution." - Aldous Huxley, Brave New World
"Every life decision is always a risk / reward proposition." - Sanjay Gupta
Google and Netflix really want net neutrality put in place because they would have to pay all the cable companies to make sure they have enough speed and bandwidth for people to keep going to their websites. If net neutrality was killed then it would be good for them since it would kill their competition however the lobbyists must of thought about what would have benefited them more financially: Having competition be killed, stifled severely, or having to pay these legal bribes If net neutrality is killed "claiming" that they're for net neutrality.
There's a lot of money being pumped into Washington by special interest groups that want to see net neutrality stay alive so If you think it was the people talking that made President Obama make that statement you're wrong cause it was the money that more than likely made him talk where the only thing that gets anything done in Washington is the almighty dollar. Unfortunately special interest groups like Virizon, Comcast, and Time Warner Cable want to see net neutrality die for their own personal gain because they don't want to compete against Google and Netflix when it's not even about money or competition, it's about people in the U.S. having their 1st Amendment rights applied with net neutrality itself.
After President Obama made his statement on Net Neutrality, Senator Ted Cruz goes out comparing it to the Affordable Care Act:
http://gizmodo.com/ted-cruzs-net-neutrality-take-isnt-just-dumb-its-dange-1656821283
"Restriction breeds creativity." - Sheldon Menery on EDH / Commander in Magic: The Gathering
"Cancel Culture is the real reason why everyone's not allowed to have nice things anymore." - Anonymous
"For what will it profit a man if he gains the whole world, and loses his own soul?" - Mark 8:36
"Most men and women will grow up to love their servitude and will never dream of revolution." - Aldous Huxley, Brave New World
"Every life decision is always a risk / reward proposition." - Sanjay Gupta
To be fair, if Obama had said that the sky is generally a blue colour unless there are clouds covering it Ted cruz would come out and say that the sky is really orange, and calling it blue is a terrorist plot.
Ted Cruz is a moron who only wants to disagree with Obama.
Cruz's comment aside, what makes people think that regulating the internet even more is going to result in anything good?
The negative, is all the crap associated with cable already (unnecessary regional monopolies with heavy handed control of content.
I'm unsure if making it a public utility is a good or a bad, but I am sure that I would prefer govenrment mandated net neutrality over the fast lane/ slow lane approach.