So..... I guess this might be a dumb idea but I sort of like the idea of Sharuum the Hegemon as a commander in just a nice value style of deck. I know it will have some issues just with the reputation Sharuum has however I thought it might make for a fun ETB creature style of deck.
Currently, I am trying to sort of strike a good balance of usefulness of my commander without being an all out artifact deck. The plan here was more of towards ETB creatures and abuse. I want the artifacts to be some useful creatures and solid creature abuse primarily. I could go further into artifacts and do the Open the Vaults / Tunnel Vision style of shinanigans but it just isnt really what I was aiming for on this project.
Current Concerns:
- Not that much ramp
- Not as many creatures as I would ideally like
- Sword of Feast and Famine.... I am not sold on it here yet.
Overall, nice list, but is there enough ramp to get there? Perhaps a Gilded Lotus?
Angel of Despair I just havent been impressed by it lately. I ran it in my Ghost Counsel list for a long time but it ended up being a ton of mana for its effect. Possibly if I can abuse it easier in this deck but I dont have a ton of flicker style of effects which is sort of what I would be looking for to make it work. Its a good creature but when I actually need to answer something I have found that 7 mana is a lot to ask. I have mixed feelings on it now due to that.
Magister Sphinx it just happens to be like my biggest pet pieve in EDH. Its more due to personal choice that I dont run it. I really detest these abilities in EDH as they just single one person out but dont quite kill them. Also, I have found that once it starts, like everyone tries to clone it and I dislike that too.
Erratic Portal it was in the list but I cut it for more ramp. I think I need to make more cuts for more ramp yet though.
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Hmm this list is kinda weird ISP It defintly looks rough a little confused maybe. There is a player DeathDiamond he post alot in my and epoch's Damia threads. In his signature is a link to his ertai blink deck. Skip over his op and go down to the list Tremor posts. That list has combos ( can be easily taken out or not used as such) I played it on mtgo it was defintly your playstyle from me resting your jenara it felt more focused you should check it out at least for ideas. Also even in value sharum I think things like intuition are still auto includes. You already play entomb maybe add some artifact value packages with it.
Hmm this list is kinda weird ISP It defintly looks rough a little confused maybe. There is a player DeathDiamond he post alot in my and epoch's Damia threads. In his signature is a link to his ertai blink deck. Skip over his op and go down to the list Tremor posts. That list has combos ( can be easily taken out or not used as such) I played it on mtgo it was defintly your playstyle from me resting your jenara it felt more focused you should check it out at least for ideas. Also even in value sharum I think things like intuition are still auto includes. You already play entomb maybe add some artifact value packages with it.
Ohhhh wow, Intuition definitely belongs here. I am not as accustomed to having a recursion engine in an ETB deck but you are right, that fits right in here. I have a HUGE maybe list for this deck and some of it is sort of tough to gague how good it might be until I test it.
My possibility board currently looks something like:
I am definitely going to have to squeeze in Intuition. I will see what else i can do though. I want more mana stones as well if I can and if I can make room get the Restoration Angel in here.
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Basically take all your non-green cards from your Jenara list and put them in here. It works just as great.
Some other cool cards I have are Karn Liberated, Spine of Ish Nah, Karn Silver Golem.
Its always fun to put a Salvaging Station Package in: Sol Ring, Sensei, Aether Spellbomb, Dispeller's Capsule, Executioner's Capsule, Tormod's Crypt, Nihil Spellbomb, Voyager's Staff, Expedition Map are in mine. Trinket Mage searches for them too...
Treasure Mage is nice to look for 6+ Artifacts..which I have close to 8.
Scourglass is horrible...looks so ideal...but its a trick. Oblivion Stone is still your #1 pick.
Sphinx Summoner isn't ideal...as you only have a few artifact creatures.
I kept meaning to come back to this thread and do some updates but life has been crazy and in some ways I just didnt really know where to go with this deck lol. I wanted creature abuse and I still do but the commander leads a lot of my abuse to want to be artifact based so that I can recover it. I managed to get in two games last week which the games were sort of odd but I managed to win one of the two I played with it.
Basically take all your non-green cards from your Jenara list and put them in here. It works just as great.
Some other cool cards I have are Karn Liberated, Spine of Ish Nah, Karn Silver Golem.
Its always fun to put a Salvaging Station Package in: Sol Ring, Sensei, Aether Spellbomb, Dispeller's Capsule, Executioner's Capsule, Tormod's Crypt, Nihil Spellbomb, Voyager's Staff, Expedition Map are in mine. Trinket Mage searches for them too...
Treasure Mage is nice to look for 6+ Artifacts..which I have close to 8.
Scourglass is horrible...looks so ideal...but its a trick. Oblivion Stone is still your #1 pick.
Sphinx Summoner isn't ideal...as you only have a few artifact creatures.
Mind's Eye and Windfall are good draw options.
You are missing your faithful Reviellark.
Myr Battlesphere is tasty. Scarecrone is cool.
Thats just all off the top of my head.
Ehhh, well you have a lot of suggestions I see
Phyrexia's Core not sure I like that its a colorless land but the sac outlet part of it is interesting... then again though, I havent been all that excited for sac outlet lands really in the past.
Venser the Sojourner an option, I go back and forth on how I feel about him though. I am also currently having a harder time with my curve in here as I am not ramping as well and my ramp is getting swept so its harder for me to keep a nice amount of land in play to keep some things like this as an easy option.
Venser Shaper Savant normally I like him a lot but my creature count is lower here and Conjurer's Closet can be recovered a lot easier here than it can be in my Jenara list. Due to that I went with the closet. I could do both but I feel like my creature count is a little low for him.
Karn Liberated he is cool but I dont know how much I need him here. I like him more in heavy defensive decks and decks that have issues having access to spot removal. Hes all right but I dont really feel like I need him as much here.
Spine of Ish Nah I thought about it and if I ran more artifact sac outlets it might be more of a possibility. I just feel like its a little heavier cost than I want currently for what it does. I dont know though. I have mixed feelings as in some ways he is like another duplicant. But it doesn't die as easily and I cant chump with it really.
Karn Silver Golem hes kind of cool but all I would really see myself doing with him is trying to animate other peoples artifacts in a wrath. He could do the whole marching my own artifacts but I dont know... I am just not that excited for what he does.
Salvaging Station it feels a bit unnecessary to me. Sure it would be fun to have easy rez for artifacts but its very narrow what it can rez and its really expensive. I just feel its too situational and build around.
Treasure Mage I thought about it but I have exactly 3 targets currently outside of my commander getting tucked. It feels like a worse Fabricate which I am currently cutting crazy enough.
Sphinx Summoner its surprising how often I want my clone, simulacrum, and duplicant. I also have the wurmcoil as a target and if my commander gets tucked I can go after her with it. I haven't tested it enough but I like it currently as its a creature which I can abuse and I can rez it with my commander too.
Mind's Eye I am sort of considering cutting Consecrated Sphinx for it. Its a bit more to maintain but generally less people in my meta sit on instant speed artifact removal and it can be rezed off of my commander. I need to think about it more but it might be something I am willing to do.
Windfall its an interesting card and something I.... might consider. I dont generally like to wheel effect when I am in blue + black though. It potentially has a nice effect for rezing but I just prefer to look at wheels when I am running red.
Reviellark I have a lower creature count here and what feels like a lot less targets for him. Due to that I am currently not running him. I might consider it later but for now I just dont see enough targets for him to work reliably as of right now.
Myr Battlesphere I love the guy but he just doesn't really do much for me other than random chump blockers. I like him, I just dont feel like he really belongs here all that much.
Scarecrone I considered him but he is a little slow value. He has the sac outlet to draw a card but even then, I dont run that many artifact creatures here so he isnt quite what I was looking for originally.
Some of the changes I came up with after looking at this for some time. I feel like I need to do a lot more research into the options however I just havent had a good chunk of time to set aside to do that.
CUTS:
Myojin of Night's Reach I like what it does but I have enough splashy stuff that I thought it would be better to cut him out and lower some of the big expensive stuff.
Sword of Feast and Famine I just didn't get the same impact from this here. My creature count is a little bit lower in here for this I think.
Scourglass I probably just need another wrath here.
Path to Exile I wanted to cut some of my spells and decided to cut this one since I felt like I had a little heavier spot removal with the inclusion of Vindicate and Cyclonic Rift as well in this list.
Diabolic Intent I didnt find my creature count high enough to always have a creature for this. I like it but for now I am going without it.
Merchant Scroll I just found myself burning this into other tutors usually. I am going to cut it for now due to that.
Fabricate tutoring into artifacts at sorcery speed. While good I am trying to take less of a tutor route currently.
ADDS:
Archaeomancer I felt like I had a lot of spells in my list last time so I will try this guy out as some recovery as well as a body. I dont run extra turns here so there is no infinite which is probably good here but I just dont feel like extra turns would be as effective here as they have been in my Jenara list.
Intuition ya.... total oversight. It should be in here.
Ancestral Memories I was kicking around ideas of more draw and I like what this does for this type of list. I can dig deep and grab what I want putting others in the bin for me to potentially rez later.
Chromatic Lantern I needed more ramp and I like how this fixes for me as well.
Orzhov Signet I wanted more ramp. I also wanted to not get screwed next time Azusa drops Hall of Gemstones on my face....
Rout I wanted a wrath to replace the scourglass that is coming out. I have been sort of *****ing about some things like Craterhoof of late so the opportunity to instant speed smash an army off seems like fun.
Lim-Dûl's Vault this is really sort of a tutor to topdeck style of card. What I like about it though is that its an instant speed one and its cheap.
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Ha I can't believe you did it! Now this is a deck that I definitely have experience with, but like everything it all depends on playstyle. In my old list, I ran mostly artifact creatures due to obvious synergy with Sharuum but also because of the abundance of support spells artifacts have in general (such as Darksteel Forge, Indomitable Archangel, and Unwinding Clock are my favorites). If you're trying to keep your mana curve lower though, I would stay away from too many artifact creatures.
1 Sharuum the Hegemon
CREATURES (19)
1 Baleful Strix
1 Gilded Drake
1 Snapcaster Mage
1 Stoneforge Mystic
1 Trinket Mage
1 Archaeomancer
1 Disciple of Bolas
1 Glen Elendra Archmage
1 Phyrexian Metamorph
1 Solemn Simulacrum
1 Karmic Guide
1 Pupeteer Clique
1 Sphinx Summoner
1 Consecrated Sphinx
1 Duplicant
1 Sun Titan
1 Wurmcoil Engine
1 Rune-Scarred Demon
1 Sphinx of Uthuun
1 Nihil Spellbomb
1 Sensei's Divining Top
1 Skullclamp
1 Sol Ring
1 Orzhov Signet
1 Chromatic Lantern
1 Coalition Relic
1 Crystal Shard
1 Darksteel Ingot
1 Mimic Vat
1 Sculpting Steel
1 Sword of Fire and Ice
1 Trading Post
1 Vedalken Orrery
1 Conjurer's Closet
1 Akroma's Memorial
1 Darksteel Forge
ENCHANTMENTS (2)
1 Necropotence
1 Phyrexian Arena
INSTANT (15)
1 Pact of Negation
1 Entomb
1 Swords to Plowshares
1 Tithe
1 Vampiric Tutor
1 Cyclonic Rift
1 Lim-Dûl's Vault
1 Forbidden Alchemy
1 Hinder
1 Intuition
1 Spell Crumple
1 Thirst for Knowledge
1 Fact or Fiction
1 Mystical Teachings
1 Return to Dust
1 Demonic Tutor
1 Vindicate
1 Ancestral Memories
1 Bribery
1 Hallowed Burial
1 Rout
1 Austere Command
PLANESWALKERS (1)
1 Tezzeret the Seeker
Currently, I am trying to sort of strike a good balance of usefulness of my commander without being an all out artifact deck. The plan here was more of towards ETB creatures and abuse. I want the artifacts to be some useful creatures and solid creature abuse primarily. I could go further into artifacts and do the Open the Vaults / Tunnel Vision style of shinanigans but it just isnt really what I was aiming for on this project.
Current Concerns:
- Not that much ramp
- Not as many creatures as I would ideally like
- Sword of Feast and Famine.... I am not sold on it here yet.
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Overall, nice list, but is there enough ramp to get there? Perhaps a Gilded Lotus?
Angel of Despair I just havent been impressed by it lately. I ran it in my Ghost Counsel list for a long time but it ended up being a ton of mana for its effect. Possibly if I can abuse it easier in this deck but I dont have a ton of flicker style of effects which is sort of what I would be looking for to make it work. Its a good creature but when I actually need to answer something I have found that 7 mana is a lot to ask. I have mixed feelings on it now due to that.
Magister Sphinx it just happens to be like my biggest pet pieve in EDH. Its more due to personal choice that I dont run it. I really detest these abilities in EDH as they just single one person out but dont quite kill them. Also, I have found that once it starts, like everyone tries to clone it and I dislike that too.
Erratic Portal it was in the list but I cut it for more ramp. I think I need to make more cuts for more ramp yet though.
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Damia http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?t=410191
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Domain Zoo http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?p=10212429#post10212429
Ohhhh wow, Intuition definitely belongs here. I am not as accustomed to having a recursion engine in an ETB deck but you are right, that fits right in here. I have a HUGE maybe list for this deck and some of it is sort of tough to gague how good it might be until I test it.
My possibility board currently looks something like:
I am definitely going to have to squeeze in Intuition. I will see what else i can do though. I want more mana stones as well if I can and if I can make room get the Restoration Angel in here.
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For my ramp/land package I use:
Sol Ring, Expedition Map, Mycosynth Wellspring, Coalition Relic, Darksteel Ignot, Chromatic Lantern and Solemn Simulacrum.
Don't forget Phyrexia's Core as a land.
Venser the Sojourner and Venser Shaper Savant.
Basically take all your non-green cards from your Jenara list and put them in here. It works just as great.
Some other cool cards I have are Karn Liberated, Spine of Ish Nah, Karn Silver Golem.
Its always fun to put a Salvaging Station Package in: Sol Ring, Sensei, Aether Spellbomb, Dispeller's Capsule, Executioner's Capsule, Tormod's Crypt, Nihil Spellbomb, Voyager's Staff, Expedition Map are in mine. Trinket Mage searches for them too...
Treasure Mage is nice to look for 6+ Artifacts..which I have close to 8.
Scourglass is horrible...looks so ideal...but its a trick. Oblivion Stone is still your #1 pick.
Sphinx Summoner isn't ideal...as you only have a few artifact creatures.
Mind's Eye and Windfall are good draw options.
You are missing your faithful Reviellark.
Myr Battlesphere is tasty. Scarecrone is cool.
Thats just all off the top of my head.
Ehhh, well you have a lot of suggestions I see
Phyrexia's Core not sure I like that its a colorless land but the sac outlet part of it is interesting... then again though, I havent been all that excited for sac outlet lands really in the past.
Venser the Sojourner an option, I go back and forth on how I feel about him though. I am also currently having a harder time with my curve in here as I am not ramping as well and my ramp is getting swept so its harder for me to keep a nice amount of land in play to keep some things like this as an easy option.
Venser Shaper Savant normally I like him a lot but my creature count is lower here and Conjurer's Closet can be recovered a lot easier here than it can be in my Jenara list. Due to that I went with the closet. I could do both but I feel like my creature count is a little low for him.
Karn Liberated he is cool but I dont know how much I need him here. I like him more in heavy defensive decks and decks that have issues having access to spot removal. Hes all right but I dont really feel like I need him as much here.
Spine of Ish Nah I thought about it and if I ran more artifact sac outlets it might be more of a possibility. I just feel like its a little heavier cost than I want currently for what it does. I dont know though. I have mixed feelings as in some ways he is like another duplicant. But it doesn't die as easily and I cant chump with it really.
Karn Silver Golem hes kind of cool but all I would really see myself doing with him is trying to animate other peoples artifacts in a wrath. He could do the whole marching my own artifacts but I dont know... I am just not that excited for what he does.
Salvaging Station it feels a bit unnecessary to me. Sure it would be fun to have easy rez for artifacts but its very narrow what it can rez and its really expensive. I just feel its too situational and build around.
Treasure Mage I thought about it but I have exactly 3 targets currently outside of my commander getting tucked. It feels like a worse Fabricate which I am currently cutting crazy enough.
Sphinx Summoner its surprising how often I want my clone, simulacrum, and duplicant. I also have the wurmcoil as a target and if my commander gets tucked I can go after her with it. I haven't tested it enough but I like it currently as its a creature which I can abuse and I can rez it with my commander too.
Mind's Eye I am sort of considering cutting Consecrated Sphinx for it. Its a bit more to maintain but generally less people in my meta sit on instant speed artifact removal and it can be rezed off of my commander. I need to think about it more but it might be something I am willing to do.
Windfall its an interesting card and something I.... might consider. I dont generally like to wheel effect when I am in blue + black though. It potentially has a nice effect for rezing but I just prefer to look at wheels when I am running red.
Reviellark I have a lower creature count here and what feels like a lot less targets for him. Due to that I am currently not running him. I might consider it later but for now I just dont see enough targets for him to work reliably as of right now.
Myr Battlesphere I love the guy but he just doesn't really do much for me other than random chump blockers. I like him, I just dont feel like he really belongs here all that much.
Scarecrone I considered him but he is a little slow value. He has the sac outlet to draw a card but even then, I dont run that many artifact creatures here so he isnt quite what I was looking for originally.
Some of the changes I came up with after looking at this for some time. I feel like I need to do a lot more research into the options however I just havent had a good chunk of time to set aside to do that.
CUTS:
ADDS:
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Here's my list for future reference.
UWU/W BlinkUW
BMono-Black ControlB
Commander:
GWUJenaraGWU
BGeth MBCB
RGXenagosRG
WUBSharuumWUB (retired)
Modern:
xAffinityx (starting)
Standard:
Ha! That's a good one.