MTG Salvation

Hello everyone, I am building (yet another) Zur the Enchanter deck to play with my friends around the kitchen table. Our playgroup has "issues" with any sort of combo which goes infinite as a win con. However this rule is slowly becoming less enforced. So I will definitely entertain infinite combos of any type

This is my first foray into building my own EDH deck (constructive criticisms greatly appreciated) help me continue the trend of mashing my friends decks like I do in every other format

So here is where I am at right now...... It's linear, Voltron style and I probably suffer from too many enchantments. Help me make it less linear with more threats and tricks. I don't mind dumping money into cards, provided the card will do something important. Offering up a more budget friendly card along with the more expensive one will allow me to better evaluate the card.

Be gentle

EDIT: not sure why I can't get the cards to tag properly

You have to have a number in front of the cards.

Like this:
1 Oblivion Ring.

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You have to have a number in front of the cards.

Like this:
1 Oblivion Ring.

Thank you....forgot about that

Am looking at adding

Savannah
Academy Rector

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Am looking at adding

SavannahAcademy Rector

Savannah is illegal in a WUB deck.

Have you considered Phyrexian Arena and Detention Sphere yet? Also Journey to Nowhere.

EDIT: Seal of Cleansing is always decent too.

Gah.....

Savannah should have been Tundra

I forgot about phyrexian Arena, I have bitterblossom too, just trying to figure out what I could cut?

I would like more threats, different threats.....but not sure if I am trying to do too much

No need for arena with necro
Sunder us another good land whipe
I'd drop the big mama rocks for more fast ones cmc 2 or less for a fast zur.
Necro is good with free counter magic like force of will a higher counterspell count is good with zur misdirection is also good to keep zur from dying.

Cyclonic rift is amazing run it
You have more Bolton enchants than needed things like oblivion ring are good for toolbox arcane labs / rule of law stop combo decks and make your counter magic better.

Contamination with bitterblosom is good.

The infect enchant us good with emperial armor and necro

Reliquary tower + necro is the easiest way to control a whole table with zur and allows for emperial armor 1 shots.

Mana crypt is one if zurs best cards
mystic remora is awesome test it

I don't like telepathy

Lost alara eldrazi conscription is slow weak and overkill that's 2 slots

Check out dr zoisbergs list I remeber it being quite good.



Dont like spirit mantel or arcum wings
Replenish is another strong card

Not a fan of sun Titan here too expensive

Why do you have so many creature board wipes? Decks that run heavy on broad answers tend to be pretty linear - you go and get this protection and then blow things up. Board wipes are good, but I think that you could cut it down to 7-8. 8 Counter seems okay, but again, it keeps things from developing... if someone plays a huge spell and you counter it the decision tree is pretty simple. But, if you counter it with an equally dumb huge spell that tree starts to look pretty fun.

is there a reason that you are not running Contamination and Bitterblossom? These two create a powerful lock, and I would suggest taking out Telepathy and something else for them.

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Why do you have so many creature board wipes? Decks that run heavy on broad answers tend to be pretty linear - you go and get this protection and then blow things up. Board wipes are good, but I think that you could cut it down to 7-8. 8 Counter seems okay, but again, it keeps things from developing... if someone plays a huge spell and you counter it the decision tree is pretty simple. But, if you counter it with an equally dumb huge spell that tree starts to look pretty fun.

I face a kaalia deck which is why the board wipes are in there. How many wipes should I keep? 5 maybe? Not sure what you mean by equally dumb huge spell...enlighten me

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is there a reason that you are not running Contamination and Bitterblossom? These two create a powerful lock, and I would suggest taking out Telepathy and something else for them.

Both are in, I actually forgot about that combo...thanks for reminding me

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No need for arena with necro
Sunder us another good land whipe
I'd drop the big mama rocks for more fast ones cmc 2 or less for a fast zur.
Necro is good with free counter magic like force of will a higher counterspell count is good with zur misdirection is also good to keep zur from dying.

Cyclonic rift is amazing run it
You have more Bolton enchants than needed things like oblivion ring are good for toolbox arcane labs / rule of law stop combo decks and make your counter magic better.

Contamination with bitterblosom is good.

The infect enchant us good with emperial armor and necro

Reliquary tower + necro is the easiest way to control a whole table with zur and allows for emperial armor 1 shots.

Mana crypt is one if zurs best cards
mystic remora is awesome test it

I don't like telepathy

Lost alara eldrazi conscription is slow weak and overkill that's 2 slots

Check out dr zoisbergs list I remeber it being quite good.



Dont like spirit mantel or arcum wings
Replenish is another strong card

Not a fan of sun Titan here too expensive

A fast Zur is great, not going to buy a Mana Crypt though, but if you have a more budget friendly suggestion. I know my deck is teetering between semi competitive and casual, but it's so far being built with cards I have.

I don't mind putting money into the deck but like to see my options.

Admittedly I am not facing a lot of combo decks.....

What I mean by "Equally dumb big spells" is more a mindset. You can try to stop them or you can try to give them stuff to stop. You have a very defensive deck here and I think that going more aggressively will make it more fun and less linear.

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What I mean by "Equally dumb big spells" is more a mindset. You can try to stop them or you can try to give them stuff to stop. You have a very defensive deck here and I think that going more aggressively will make it more fun and less linear.

Gotcha! Suggestions on a couple of cards to lead me in the right direction? I can muddle through options if I have a little poke

I was thinking of adding Crucible of Worlds in an attempt to perhaps re-use strip mine and wasteland in an effort to wreak Havoc.

Anyone with thoughts on this?

After playing last night, needed to make some changes...... So changes as follows

In
Vampiric Tutor I needed another tutor
Lotus Bloom Trying this as a mana rock but probably not ideal
Crucible of Worlds Why not screw my friends over with reusable land destruction

Out
Reito Lantern
Thran Dynamo
Gilded Lotus

Okay, so hold on.... You want a less linear deck and you add a tutor and a land recursion piece that protects you from your own Lando? You crazy. But really those will make your game more consistent and predictable.

I don't seem either of the Talismen or Fellwar Stone... 2 CMC mana rocks are excellent in your deck.

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Okay, so hold on.... You want a less linear deck and you add a tutor and a land recursion piece that protects you from your own Lando? You crazy. But really those will make your game more consistent and predictable.

I don't seem either of the Talismen or Fellwar Stone... 2 CMC mana rocks are excellent in your deck.

Both Talisman are in there? Dominace and progress.... Fellwar stone will only give me colorless essentially unless someone is playing some of my commanders colors though correct?

I am going to start crying soon :sob:

Fellwar in 4 player games usually in a 2 mana Manalith. I missed the Talismen obviously

Okay, so what about Rasputin Dreamweaver?

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Fellwar in 4 player games usually in a 2 mana Manalith. I missed the Talismen obviously

Okay, so what about Rasputin Dreamweaver?

I like the look of Raputin Dreamweaver

Would Omniscience work in this deck?