This thread is for the discussion of my latest article, Dan's Deckshop: Kamigawa Strikes Back. We would be grateful if you would let us know what you think, but please keep your comments on topic.
Im building this deck.....it was a very good feeling to see my suggestion used and i needed a good FFA deck. Thank you for taking my idea.....i really must thank you.
Also, if im still allowed to suggest ideas..... I wanna see that Seshiro deck come together. It also can be a teaching point on how good Card Advantage is.
As a huge fan of free-for-all multiplayer (my friends at school and I tend to have games that last hours long where no one can get a foot hold, or pose big enough threat for everyone else to take out) I have to say I really like both this deck, and Dan's take on how to build for multiplayer. EDH/Commander is definitely introducing more people to the idea, but really building around this style play is very misunderstood. People look at me strange when I spend more time going through a junk bin looking for fun stuff to build around instead of just net-decking everything. As a casual brewer, I approve of this deck.
That deck looks really fun to play! Nothing like taking junky cards like Pus Kami and making them work! Just the other day, I was going through my folder and saw a foil Fold Into Æther and thought: "Holy crap, this card is usel......" and then it dawned on me that I could counter my own spells.... I got deck making, trialled it on Magic Workstation... It's legacy legal, and it wins roughly 90% of the time, by tutoring everything I need early on, and by turn four, I Fold my own Ornithopter (much to the dismay of my opponent who thought he foiled me with a Ethersworn Canonist)and biff an Emrakul or a Ulamog into play. At this point, my opponent usually RQ's
Anyway, I would like to see another deck utilising niche cards such as Fold into AEther, or perhaps Retether to do broken interesting things!
That deck looks really fun to play! Nothing like taking junky cards like Pus Kami and making them work! Just the other day, I was going through my folder and saw a foil Fold Into Æther and thought: "Holy crap, this card is usel......" and then it dawned on me that I could counter my own spells.... I got deck making, trialled it on Magic Workstation... It's legacy legal, and it wins roughly 90% of the time, by tutoring everything I need early on, and by turn four, I Fold my own Ornithopter (much to the dismay of my opponent who thought he foiled me with a Ethersworn Canonist)and biff an Emrakul or a Ulamog into play. At this point, my opponent usually RQ's
Anyway, I would like to see another deck utilising niche cards such as Fold into AEther, or perhaps Retether to do broken interesting things!
Hey, I think I am going to steal that deck idea. And so I shall be hated at my local meta.
I am in the process of building your last deck, Master Transmuter, and will probably trade a rare or two i picked up to trade for the card in this deck. I always like to tell newbies to the game that you don't need a million dollars to play good decks. This is a perfect example. Looking forward to the next article!
Curious though, this deck is cheap, could you do an article on a pauper deck?
This is a great deck. Forked-Branch Garami and Hana Kami are truly the cornerstones of any Spirit/Arcane deck that plays Green, and it's amazing how their real value can somehow fly under the radar of a table full of opponents.
I thought about suggesting Lifespinner as another way to fish out Iname or your other toolbox Legends (while interacting profitably with Mr. Garami), but your deck might not really need the redundancy.
Me and a buddy just built a Ghave, Guru of Spores Commander deck that utilizes a similar Iname, Death Aspect engine. Very underestimated card, which makes it even more fun.
One think I would love to see your take on is my current project, Dralnu, Lich Lord. My current general, it has officially been named the "all instants and sorceries deck." The initial build has not only been extremely fun, but surprisingly powerful due to it's flexibility. Again, I would love to see your take on the idea (even if it's outside of Commander). Anyone who wants the decklist and my ideas behind everything, just send me a PM, btw.
I'm probably going to build this deck, and I never build netdecks, just for the fun of whipping someone with Kamigawa spirits. I have most of the cards too, but I'll likely only need a couple of the rares. Good job on the deck and the article.
Hey, I've been enjoying the column, and registered on the forums just so I could comment today. Great build today- I usually swear off internet decks (I primarily read for the deckbuilding tips rather than the card lists themselves) but this looks like a lot of fun.
Personally, I'm interested in possible interactions between living weapons and the new cards with the morbid rule from Innistrad. Maybe using dying Germ tokens to power a Skirsdag High Priest?
1) What does your deck do in a creature stall? There's really no way to force your guys through. Devouring Greed gets there! It's basically the one giant bomb the deck needs to occasionally blow someone out of the water.
2) Want to get some extra use out of those Carven Caryatids? This is one of the best cards to do it with. Your silly Defenders can't attack, anyway, so this is probably going to be their only opportunity to help you kill an opponent when they're all done looking scary as a blocker.
3) For a multiplayer deck, the deck otherwise doesn't really have much of a way to gain life. This helps you stay alive in situations where your wall of creatures that keep coming back my not help you right now, but you would do fine if you could just survive another turn! Maybe you're racing against an unblockable creature, maybe your opponent is killing you with burn spells, etc. Who knows? We do know, though, that this card can fill that gap.
4) Recursion! That's basically what this deck is all about! It's a great way to be able to abuse the recursion the deck has when no one is bothering to kill any of your creatures. If people just leave you alone because they know you're just going to block and bring your Spirits back, anyway, the deck might get a little boring to play. However, Devouring Greed is Arcane, too, so you can bring it back over and over and over again once you get a second Hana Kami to go along with your Death Denied combo.
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Remember, when you really like a card but don't want to see more than a single copy in a game, three is the amount you want in your deck rather than four.
Do you ever really need more than one copy of Death Denied in this deck? Probably not. Your combo essentially keeps going on forever until someone Exiles it once you get the first one. So if you draw two early? One is basically just going to sit in your hand the rest of the game unless someone makes you discard it. So why not pack a card that works so well with the rest of the deck instead?
I guess that's all I really have to add. Otherwise, it was a great article and a great budget deck. This article is always fun to read, and it definitely helps me think outside of the "What Standard / Modern Deck should I be making?" inside of which I sometimes find myself becoming trapped.
Awesome article, way better than the first imo. Keep em coming and full of smart under the radar interactions!
Id love to see a cool snake horde deck.
Also, every time I see your banner I remember one of my very favorite cards: goblin flectomancer!! Favorite flavor of a card ever, plus who doesn't love spell switching shenanigans. The problem being of course his cost and one-time-use of his ability..a cool deck with him though would be sick budget izzet control with spell swapping madness maybe?
Keep up the good work!
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Awesome read this week. Like the first commenter said, I'd also love to see you build that Seshiro deck sometime.
I also requested this last week, but I figured I'd suggest it again to see if anybody else is interested in something similar. I'd love to see a deck using cards like Luminarch Ascension and Sigil of the Empty Throne to pump out an army of 4/4 flying angels.
i agree with your friends. i actually don't believe you have won with this!
i think this deck could have one more bonehoard, and i disagree with those that said that death denied x 4 is too much. correct me if i'm wrong, but this deck can't keep up the card quality of the others without one of those.
Just wanted to say I loved the article. Kamigawa's always been my favorite set, and I love seeing people doing something different and not the same old same old.
I'll have to put some thought into a quirky card I love but could never work into a deck.
@NoMoshing: I'm building an FNM deck with Morbid creatures that focuses on Devouring Swarm, Fresh Meat, and Skirsdag High Priest... I might have to at least try out Bonehoard in there now that you bring it up.
Ok, anyway, here's my suggestion for your next column. I'm pretty sure all the "Supertrample" creatures (Thorn Elemental, Lone Wolf, etc) are pretty cheap... can you do something interesting and different that uses them?
Very nice article, as always fellow Planeswalker. I was actually able to try the deck out the other day, and I gotta say I can't put it away when there's an FFA about! I was able to trade a single Jace, Memory Adept for the full decklist at my local store, so it's the best bang for my buck I've ever had. Thanks, can't wait for you're next masterpiece!
Really cool article, I like the deck alot. Suggestions for future topics: Cephalid Constable aggro, River Kelpie.dec, Goat Deck (I used to play this heavily, managed to beat a faeries deck once with it). Cheers! Can't wait for more articles.
I do not play multiplayer often and when i do play it i am sort of at a disadvantage because i play 1 on 1 decks...though tokens always help. But anyway i really liked this deck and i find it awesome that you have spirtes beating people to death. In truth i want to build this deck, learn how to play it and then go play a group of my friends in a multiplayer game and let the shenanagens unfold!!!!
Also the discription's of how people reacted to the deck were Awesome. Made me smile immensly!!!!
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i feel this deck really wants Promised Kannushi. it creates a loop with your Forked-Branch Garami, generating an extra card returned. also it acts as an extra way to return your win cons.
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Also, if im still allowed to suggest ideas..... I wanna see that Seshiro deck come together. It also can be a teaching point on how good Card Advantage is.
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Hey, I think I am going to steal that deck idea. And so I shall be hated at my local meta.
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Curious though, this deck is cheap, could you do an article on a pauper deck?
I thought about suggesting Lifespinner as another way to fish out Iname or your other toolbox Legends (while interacting profitably with Mr. Garami), but your deck might not really need the redundancy.
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One think I would love to see your take on is my current project, Dralnu, Lich Lord. My current general, it has officially been named the "all instants and sorceries deck." The initial build has not only been extremely fun, but surprisingly powerful due to it's flexibility. Again, I would love to see your take on the idea (even if it's outside of Commander). Anyone who wants the decklist and my ideas behind everything, just send me a PM, btw.
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Personally, I'm interested in possible interactions between living weapons and the new cards with the morbid rule from Innistrad. Maybe using dying Germ tokens to power a Skirsdag High Priest?
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There are multiple reasons for this.
1) What does your deck do in a creature stall? There's really no way to force your guys through. Devouring Greed gets there! It's basically the one giant bomb the deck needs to occasionally blow someone out of the water.
2) Want to get some extra use out of those Carven Caryatids? This is one of the best cards to do it with. Your silly Defenders can't attack, anyway, so this is probably going to be their only opportunity to help you kill an opponent when they're all done looking scary as a blocker.
3) For a multiplayer deck, the deck otherwise doesn't really have much of a way to gain life. This helps you stay alive in situations where your wall of creatures that keep coming back my not help you right now, but you would do fine if you could just survive another turn! Maybe you're racing against an unblockable creature, maybe your opponent is killing you with burn spells, etc. Who knows? We do know, though, that this card can fill that gap.
4) Recursion! That's basically what this deck is all about! It's a great way to be able to abuse the recursion the deck has when no one is bothering to kill any of your creatures. If people just leave you alone because they know you're just going to block and bring your Spirits back, anyway, the deck might get a little boring to play. However, Devouring Greed is Arcane, too, so you can bring it back over and over and over again once you get a second Hana Kami to go along with your Death Denied combo.
5)
Do you ever really need more than one copy of Death Denied in this deck? Probably not. Your combo essentially keeps going on forever until someone Exiles it once you get the first one. So if you draw two early? One is basically just going to sit in your hand the rest of the game unless someone makes you discard it. So why not pack a card that works so well with the rest of the deck instead?
I guess that's all I really have to add. Otherwise, it was a great article and a great budget deck. This article is always fun to read, and it definitely helps me think outside of the "What Standard / Modern Deck should I be making?" inside of which I sometimes find myself becoming trapped.
Thanks for the read!
Id love to see a cool snake horde deck.
Also, every time I see your banner I remember one of my very favorite cards: goblin flectomancer!! Favorite flavor of a card ever, plus who doesn't love spell switching shenanigans. The problem being of course his cost and one-time-use of his ability..a cool deck with him though would be sick budget izzet control with spell swapping madness maybe?
Keep up the good work!
I invision a future where one is not mighty when he can silence a crowd with brutality,
but when he leaves them speechless with wisdom.
I also requested this last week, but I figured I'd suggest it again to see if anybody else is interested in something similar. I'd love to see a deck using cards like Luminarch Ascension and Sigil of the Empty Throne to pump out an army of 4/4 flying angels.
i think this deck could have one more bonehoard, and i disagree with those that said that death denied x 4 is too much. correct me if i'm wrong, but this deck can't keep up the card quality of the others without one of those.
maybe you could do something using the tribes of lorwyn/morningtide?
I'll have to put some thought into a quirky card I love but could never work into a deck.
@NoMoshing: I'm building an FNM deck with Morbid creatures that focuses on Devouring Swarm, Fresh Meat, and Skirsdag High Priest... I might have to at least try out Bonehoard in there now that you bring it up.
Ok, anyway, here's my suggestion for your next column. I'm pretty sure all the "Supertrample" creatures (Thorn Elemental, Lone Wolf, etc) are pretty cheap... can you do something interesting and different that uses them?
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Yep Cute angels for an article
I also liked this one. back then I had a UGW Spirits decks and they were really fun.
Also the discription's of how people reacted to the deck were Awesome. Made me smile immensly!!!!
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Not that interesting a deck. It generally plays 'pacifism' effects until you can play Sigil.
Good article, bravo!