Scepter Control In Legacy

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    By Lennie Brookes (AKA Qwerty)

    Scepter control is starting to see more and more play in Legacy; I have been playing it since Isochron Scepter was released. Currently I am the TNS member that has had the most experience with the deck, so I volunteered to write a primer/article about the deck. While the deck is not necessarily the strongest in the format, the deck is very versatile. and can be played in varying styles, and doesn’t have any really bad matches.



    (1)Mana
    Usually, multiple colour decks have mild problems with mana. This is not so in Legacy. ScepterC can easily gain access to the mana it needs.

    Flooded Strand
    Fetches the desired mana that is needed. This is because Volcanic Island counts as an Island as well as a Mountain. You can use any Island-fetching sacrifice land to get any land out of your deck that counts as a island as well. Therefore, Flooded Strand can fetch Volcanic Island. In general, a minimum of four sacrifice lands are played but sometimes there are as many as eight.

    Polluted Delta
    As Flooded Strand

    Island
    Basic land for the deck's main colour: blue.

    Tundra
    Allows white Scepter targets to be cast if needed.

    Volcanic Island
    Used like a Tundra for red cards.

    Wasteland
    Allows you to deal with an opponent’s land by slowing them down, killing a combo part, or killing man lands.

    (2)Counter Magic
    The backbone of most blue decks, counterspells allow you the ability to say no to almost any card. They stop your opponent's key cards and protect yours.

    Counterspell
    One of the defining cards for blue. It gives a solid way of saying no to most cards at a cheap low cost of UU. Often, the threat of two open blue mana is enough to make people stop and think. In addition, Counterspell can sometimes make a good choice to place on the Isochron Scepter. You will not see a ScepterC deck running less than three Counterspells, but usually four are run.

    Forbid
    This, along with Dissipate and Absorb enter the counterspell section sparingly. They are used, but not very often. Generally they are not played. However, when played two-three are run.

    Force of Will
    The card that makes blue reliable, this card gives the ability to respond in the first few turns and win counter wars later on. Simply put, this is the card that you must have in any blue deck, not just ScepterC. In ScepterC it allows you to cast a Scepter on turn two and have little fear of repercussions. Four is the minimum you need to run. You HAVE to run four.

    Mana Leak
    The third most commonly played counterspell. In the early game it is as effective as Counterspell but in the later game it loses effectiventess because of its draw back (they can pay 3). Its main strength is its 1U casting cost. This allows you to keep opening hands where you only have one blue mana. Unlike Counterspell, Mana leak isn’t a very good card to put on a Scepter if you are expecting to go into the late game. At least two are played and sometimes that number will go up to four.

    Misdirection
    While not a true counter spell, Misdirection can act as one effectively. It bumps other people's counters, returns some discard effects, and redirects artifact hate away from your Isochron Scepter. When played, two is the usual number to run.

    (3)Control Elements (other than counter spells)
    Control elements are cards that help you assert control of the board and get a permission lock going (where they have to ask you to cast spells effectively)

    Cunning Wish
    Another popular blue card, its use in ScepterC is two fold: A) To act as a silver bullet and B) To fetch specific cards for your Isochron Scepter. Cunning Wish is a common card to appear in ScepterC and usually appears in numbers of two or three.

    Disenchant
    This is rarely played main deck, but it is starting to see more play with the rise of decks based around Survival of the Fittest. When played, two is usually the maximum with one or two more in the board.

    Fire // Ice
    The first of the cards you will want to put on a Isochron Scepter. Its first purpose is quick efficient creature kill that can sometimes net you two for one card advantage. Its second use is to place it on an Isochron Scepter. This has two game winning effects: A) You can deal two damage a turn for two mana a turn and B) You can draw cards with a side effect like Icy Manipulator. When played, at least three are used. A lot of decks run four, especially if they are not using Cunning Wish.

    Isochron Scepter
    The card that the deck spins around. In ScepterC Isochron Scepter plays three vital roles. A) Control stabilization: be it a Swords to Plowshares, Fire // Ice, or Counterspell, when dropped on the Scepter vs. other perspective decks they stabilize control. B) Card advantage: this is mildly linked to A, but Ice and Accumulated knowledge will net you cards needed. C) Prison lock: the three main prison locks are 1) Orim's Chant during their upkeep. 2) Bounce lock via Boomerang/Echoing Truth and 3) Tap lock via Ice (your opponent's one big creature gets tapped each turn). Three to four are played in each ScepterC deck.

    Lightning Bolt
    Another good multi use card to put on the scepter, it can kill a opponent faster that fire and sometimes the extra point damage is needed, it also doubles with Swords to Plowshares for first turn creature control. When played three to four is the usual amount.

    Orim’s Chant
    Chant is the main reason in addition to swords to plowshares for going to white for scepter targets. In the early game it can let you slow down your opponent and later in the game (well a few turns later) allows scepter lock via the scepter and Orim’s Chant cast during the upkeep with kicker cost paid on your opponent's turn.

    Swords to Plowshares
    The best spot removal in the meta. Even so, very rarely will a Swords to Plowshares be placed on a Isochron Scepter unless it's an emergency. The usual amount to run is three to four.

    (4)Card Advantage
    If counter spells are the back bone of ScepterC, then its drawing ability is the flesh and the muscle that lets it move. Simply put, if you're drawing two-three more cards a turn than the other deck, you are going to win. ScepterC should run at least six draw spells and some builds will run up to twelve.

    Accumulated Knowledge
    Cheap, quick, reasonably efficient, and it combos with Intuition for emergency situations. It also has the benefit of being able to be dropped on the Isochron Scepter. Four are played when they are run.

    Brainstorm
    While not a true draw card, it can act like one. Simply draw three cards, move two unwanted cards to your library, and use a shuffle effect to get rid of the unwanted cards. It can also be used to protect your key cards like Isochron Scepter by hiding them on top of your library when Duressed. The usual numbers played are three or four.

    Fact or Fiction
    This card is extremely powerful and when played against bad players will win you the game. Simply put, it's search combined with draw at the same time. When played, they appear in numbers of two to four.

    Ophidian
    It can double as a small creature blocker (lackey, silver knight, etc), but most often it draws cards. So can a Isochron Scepter with a Fire // Ice, but what is important about the Ophidian is that after it's cast you're drawing free cards. When played, four is the usual number.

    Impulse
    Two mana for the best of the top four cards is good anyway. Drop it on a Scepter and you draw nothing but the best. When played, three to four is the amount to run.

    Intuition
    One of the few true tutors that ScepterC plays; it gets emergency cards that are needed, and combos well with Accumulated Knowledge. When played, two is the usual number.

    Mystical Tutor
    Another of the tutors that some builds of ScepterC play, It allows you to gain main deck cards for the Scepter. Or just panic button spells. When played one to three is the usual number.

    (5)Kill
    Although a Sceptered Fire // Ice will often win games, the deck's playability would drop if other win conditions were not placed in it. Often, they are bomb creatures and only take up three deck slots.

    Decree of Justice
    Panic chump blockers, a big kill, or a instant type cantrip. Decree of Justice is a good efficient kill that can be cycled in the early game when it's not needed. When played, one to three is the usual amount

    Eternal Dragon
    Not played as much in Legacy as it is in extended. When played it acts as a mana fixer and as a constantly recurring creature later on.

    Exalted Angel
    After Morphling, it is the most common big beats creature that appears. It can make matches where burn is a prime threat an absolute breeze to win. When played, two to three is the usual amount.

    Faerie Conclave
    A cheap evasive man land that lets you leave more cards in your deck for the core principles (counter, control, draw).

    Masticore
    Not played often. It is usually played in a high burn meta or a high creature meta. When played, two to three is the usual amount.

    Mishras Factory
    Like Conclave without evasion. This can be activated for less mana and couples well with multiple other factories.

    Morphling
    When its comes to blue winning, Morphling is a general choice. It wins the game in 4 turns if left unchecked and coupled with counter magic (to stop non targeting effects/mass removal) is nigh on invulnerable. When played, two to three is the usual amount.

    (6)Deck Building and Deck Lists
    There are many different versions of the deck. Some don’t play red and some don’t play white but almost 99% of the lists you will see will have this basic skeleton of cards. The rest is then added on for a person's own meta.

    4 Counterspell
    4 Force of Will
    2 Mana Leak
    2 Fact or Fiction
    2 Cunning Wish
    3 Isochron Scepter

    The cards are listed with the minimum number to play. What this skeleton does is provide good control with card advantage, and lets you build around the scepter while keeping blue's traditional defense.

    When Red is played, three Fire // Ice should be added to the above list. When White is played, three Swords to Plowshares and three Orim's Chant should be added to the skeleton. Working on an average mana count of 24 leaves the total card count left as follows.

    If just red is used: 15
    If just white is used 12
    If both are used 9

    After getting this, your object is to get a good amount of draw into the deck as well as a kill condition that suits you.

    UR ScepterC
    If you are only splashing red for the Isochron Scepter, you will more than likely be playing 4 Lightning Bolts to give you some first turn answers to cards like Goblin Lackey and Goblin Welder apart from Force of Will. You will be able to place another three to six cards in for card advantage. The most common choices are Brainstorm and Accumulated Knowledge. Then you need to choose your kill method other than Morphling. Your only real choices are man lands and Masticore which only really shines in a creature heavy meta.

    UW ScepterC
    You’ve got main deck creature control that is cheap and can kill 90%+ of the creatures in Magic on turn one. Orims Chant gives you a lock. All that’s left to add is card advantage and a kill condition. For draw, the same choices for UR ScepterC apply. However, for a win condition you gain access to Decree of Justice, Eternal Dragon and Exalted Angel. Decree of Justice lets you play fewer permanents meaning you only have to worry about protecting the Scepter with counterspells. Eternal Dragon is generally used in a meta where creature control is heavy and Exalted Angel is also generally a metagame choice. It helps vs. most aggro decks and can single handedly win burn matches.

    UWR
    Your choices are a lot more limited with UWR. You need to put draw in the deck but you might want more threats. In general five extra draw/control spells will go in and because of the slightly stressed mana base Morphling makes the best choice for a kill, followed by Decree of Justice.

    Deck Lists
    UR ScepterC (could also be known as CounterBurn and UrPhid)
    I designed this list for a creature heavy meta. It utilizes the same core as described above, but uses Ophidians to stabilize control (or gain it) via card advantage. Masticore is a bomb vs. any creature deck. This deck's win conditions are the already mentioned Masticore, Isochron Scepter (via fire and bolt), Mishra's Factory, and in some very rare cases Ophidian. Its is worth noting in a lot of decks the Lightning Bolts are cards like Stifle and Misdirection. And the Masticores would be Morphling this is because this list is tweaked for a creature heavy meta.
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    Mana
    10 Island
    4 Mishra's Factory
    4 Volcanic Island
    2 Polluted Delta
    4 Flooded Strand

    Denial
    2 Mana Leak
    4 Force of Will
    4 Counterspell

    Draw
    3 Fact or Fiction
    4 Accumulated Knowledge
    4 Ophidian
    2 Cunning Wish

    Control
    4 Lightning Bolt
    3 Fire // Ice
    4 Isochron Scepter

    Win
    2 Masticore



    UW ScepterC
    This version relies more on gaining a Scepter lock via Orim's Chant. It draws into the control elements to keep control and ends with an Exalted Angel or a very large Decree of Justice. It's worth noting that while Raise the Alarm is not played main deck, it does see use as an occasional Cunning Wish target for the Isochron Scepter.
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    Mana
    3 Plains
    3 Adarkar Wastes
    8 Island
    2 Polluted Delta
    4 Flooded Strand
    4 Tundra

    Denial
    2 Mana Leak
    4 Force of Will
    4 Counterspell

    Draw
    4 Brainstorm
    4 Fact or Fiction
    3 Cunning Wish

    Control
    4 Isochron Scepter
    3 Orim's Chant
    3 Swords to Plowshares

    Win
    3 Exalted Angel
    2 Decree of Justice



    UWr ScepterC
    The most popular incarnation of the deck, UWr plays two of the most important cards to put on a Scepter main deck: Fire // Ice and Orims Chant. It plays more Isochron Scepter targets main deck, removing some draw and win conditions. Because of this, it also has a lot of answers main deck.
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    Mana
    8 Island
    4 Polluted Delta
    4 Flooded Strand
    4 Volcanic Island
    4 Tundra

    Denial
    2 Mana Leak
    4 Force of Will
    4 Counterspell

    Draw
    4 Brainstorm
    4 Fact or Fiction

    Control
    3 Fire // Ice
    3 Cunning Wish
    4 Isochron Scepter
    3 Orim's Chant
    3 Swords to Plowshares

    Win
    2 Morphling



    How does it play
    The three main strategies are control lock, creature lock and Chant lock. There are more that I will discuss but these are the main three.

    Control Lock is basically a Counterspell or an Impulse/Accumulated Knowledge on an Isochron Scepter. The effect is that you simply out card your opponent. They have to save cards up to get past your better card quality. This tactic is good vs. control and combo deck types.

    Creature Lock is when you get a Fire // Ice or Swords to Plowhares on an Isochron Scepter, then you systematically kill every creature that hits play. If this happens in the early game vs. almost any creature deck you should have a breeze with the game, simply because of your traditional counter base. The trouble with this strategy is that sometimes decks like Stompy and Goblins will try to overwhelm you all in one turn and while you can take out key creatures like Goblin Piledriver you can still be overwhelmed if you are not careful. What secures this as a path to victory is one of the following cards: Exalted Angel, Morphling, or Masticore. These creatures are important because each of them can give you time to deal with their threats. Obviously this tactic is risky, as you often will be forced to tap out.

    Chant Lock is when you simply use a Sceptered Orim's Chant during your opponent's upkeep with the kicker paid. This tactic is good vs. the entire field, barring Solidarity, where it's best to use the Chants offensively anyway. Your better card quality should win the game.

    One of the key things to remember when playing ScepterC is that no matter what happens, you have all the tools of a control deck at your fingertips. Going single-mindedly for one of the above tactics is not always the best thing to do. It doesn’t help when you cast a Scepter, the only viable card you have in hand is one Counterspell, and they Counterspell it, or Disenchant it while the imprint ability is on the stack. Then, you’ve given away the position in your hand. Some times the turn two Scepter is worth the risk, but is it worth you losing board position? You need to make decisions like that quite a lot when playing ScepterC.

    The other thing to remember is not to be afraid to cast the spells that you would like to put on an Isochron Scepter. Most of the time you can get card advantage by simply using a fire // Ice to kill two goblins or a Rofellos, Llanowar Emissary and a Qurion Ranger. The same principle works when using an Orim's Chant. Don’t be afraid to use it during someone’s upkeep to slow them down on the early turns while you stabilize.

    You have to remember that you are playing a control deck first and a combo deck second. Always be thinking about what you would be doing if you didn’t have a Scepter on the table. That way, if they somehow destroy the Scepter you already have a few turns of planning to react.

    (7)Sideboard Choices
    I’m going to split this into two sections: Scepter/Wish Targets and Normal board options. You will need to forgive me; the Legacy metagame is absolutely huge so I can not list every sideboard choice

    Scepter/Wish Targets
    When making your sideboard you need to make a choice. Do you want a board full of wish targets for maximum utility or a varied board that can make your second and third games better? In general, five cards from your board should be dedicated to wish targets. However, in a lot of cases this number increases.
    Sideboard Wish targets:
    Blue Elemental Blast
    Boomerang
    Brain Freeze
    Disenchant
    Enlightened Tutor
    Fact or Fiction
    Fire // Ice
    Holy Day
    Intuition
    Raise the Alarm
    Red Elemental Blast
    Shattering Pulse
    Sirroco
    Stifle

    Blue Elemental Blast
    Its good vs. red, but if dropped on an Isochron Scepter can be devastating for the red player.

    Boomerang
    Gives the non-white ScepterC decks a way of dealing with Enchantments.

    Brain Freeze
    Gives an alternate win condition if you are not going to be able to deal 20 damage.

    Disenchant
    It's pretty staple for most decks that are white and play Cunning Wish to play Disenchant in the sideboard.

    Fact or fiction
    It’s a bomb draw card that can be wished for if you are not playing four main deck.

    Fire // Ice
    Wished-for creature removal or an Isochron Scepter target.

    Gilded Light
    One of white's panic buttons, this can stop lethal Tendrils of Agony or act as a hard counter for targeted spells.

    Holy Day/ Ethereal Haze
    Another Isochron Scepter target only really used as a budget Orim's Chant


    Intuition
    It’s a blue fetch card that can easily be shifted to the board in exchange for Wishes.

    Misdirection
    A soft counter spell and very good for a meta with high amounts of discard and burn.

    Raise the Alarm
    Coupled with Isochron Scepter, you can use this to get a Kjeldoran Outpost effect.

    Red Elemental blast
    As Blue Elemental Blast but for blue.

    Shattering Pulse
    Gives a Scepterable/reusable way of getting rid of artifacts other than Disenchant.

    Sirocco
    Helps you strip the control matches counters. In any situation it will always trade with a counterspell of some kind and if it gets near an Isochron Scepter you will win the game Vs blue.

    Stifle
    Not a scepter target but an excellent panic button for Cunning Wish. This is good for stopping a varity of effects.


    Normal Board Options

    Chill
    Dust Bowl
    Powder Keg
    Propaganda/Engineered Explosives
    Slice and Dice
    Tormod's Crypt
    Wasteland
    Wrath of God

    Chill
    Slows red decks down and makes it go from a generally good match to a easy match.

    Dust Bowl
    A way of dealing with pesky manlands and other nonbasics

    Propaganda
    Helps vs. creature decks. Sometimes it cannot hit the table fast enough though.

    Powder Keg/Engineered Explosives
    Gives a mass removal effect that does not always hit your own cards. These can be an absolute bomb vs. low casting cost decks.

    Slice and Dice
    Used mainly for its cycling ability to counteract Decree of Justice’s cycling ability. It is also a reasonable card vs. weenie decks and can occasionally be hard cast.

    Tormod's Crypt
    With the amount of graveyard abuse in the format, this is an ideal card for shutting\slowing down three of the main decks (ATS, RG Survival, and Madness).

    Wasteland
    As Dust Bowl.

    Wrath of God
    This makes some creature matches a lot easier. If there were room I am sure many people would play these main deck.


    (8)Match Analysis

    It is not possible for me to list every match but what I will list are the current top matches and some of the harder to win matches. For the harder matches I will go into a lot more detail.

    ATS
    This match isn’t particularly hard, but it can be very annoying. They run 4 Force of Will and a few more permission spells (like Arcane Denial/Mana Leak). The most important thing to do when playing ATS is stop them going off and getting the deck's core engine going. This means you must stop them from getting Survival Of The Fittest. If they do get the combo going, you have to shut them down as fast as possible. Your advantages against ATS are that you have better counterspells and draw than they do. Drop an Isochron Scepter and you have a reasonably strong match. The Scepter/Chant lock in particular can be devastating against ATS.
    Good Board choices Disenchant gives you another way of dealing with the Survival of the Fittest. Tormod's Crypt stops Genesis and any other annoying recursion.

    Remove any Cunning Wishes you have main deck to make room for other control elements and the above cards. Other choices are Decree of Justice and maybe an expensive draw spell like Fact or Fiction. (don’t do this if you suspect they are running more than six counters)

    BBS (And similar control decks)
    They are running the same core as you. They probably have more draw/utility and more counterspells to boot. How do you win when a deck fundamentally beats you on all your core precepts? Your key tactics depend on what version of ScepterC you are running. Your major advantage is the Isochron Scepter. If you can win a counter war and the Scepter hits the table you are immediately in a better position. But how do you get past their superior a counter wall? Simply Tog mirror them. Save every single counter to force an Isochron Scepter into play. After this, play normally. Another option is to try to force them to cast spells during their turn so you can hinder there mana base for your turn, this is usually done by you either luckily slipping an Exalted Angel into play, or attacking them with manlands. This will prompt them to cast Vedalken Shackles. While its not devastating vs. you, it could be annoying, so counter it. Don't counter it on the principle that you don’t want it in play (although that’s an advantage). Counter it on the principle that you can hopefully draw them into a counter war thus getting them to use their mana or most of it during their turn. Follow this up either with your counter or an Orim’s Chant on your turn. The final tactic that is good versus BBS (other than just outplaying them) is to take the Tog approach again but just cast your cards recklessly. No sane blue player is going to let an Isochron Scepter hit the table and then counter their key win cards like Morphling. Sometimes white is played in BBS this gives them access to Swords to Plowhares which is generally weak against you and Decree of Justice which is strong against you. They also gain access to Disenchant. The BwBs decks are a little bit easier to cope with, simply because they don’t run as much card draw/countermagic. Beware, though; occasionally you will see Chalice of the Void. While bad in the current meta, the card utterly destroys ScepterC when it is set to two. If this tactic is popular you might want to consider running a few Capsizes in your board.
    Good Board choices Red Elemental Blast gets almost everything in the deck and is key to vital counter wars. Sirocco cast early can utterly demolish BBS. When playing the white splash versions, Slice and Dice and Stifle are good ways of dealing with [card]Decree of Justice[/card).

    Again take out the Cunning Wishes but this time try to add any draw you have in the board in addition to the above choices.

    Zoo
    If you can A) Deal with creatures via a Scepter Lock and b)stop or deal with the Isochron Scepter they will cast you should win. The main thing to worry about is making sure that after you have stabilized control you aren’t overloaded by burn (Instant speed burn dodges Chant). This is where your card draw will really shine because other than a Sceptered Fire // Ice Zoo has no card draw. It is worth noting that the untargetable creatures in Zoo like Blastoderm can be a nightmare to handle if you have let them into play and have no way of dealing with them. The only cards that are played that let you deal with it are Morphling, Masticore and/or just race them with Exalted Angel. If you are playing white, your strongest card by far is Exalted Angel. Even if they manage to kill it, there are very good odds that they had to empty their hand to do it.
    Good Board choices Chill slows the nearly obscene amount of burn spells this deck plays. Disenchant gives another way of dealing with Isochron Scepter if needed. Propaganda slows the deck to a whimpering crawl. Propaganda, coupled with Chill, can utterly destroy Zoo's speed.

    It's a good choice to leave the Cunning Wish main deck. That way, you can leave a Chant in the board and effectively have six Chants main deck. Draw spells and creatures are the best cards to remove for your board choices.



    Props currently go out to TNS, test readers :wolfwood, Someone, Static, Belgareth and a Ultra massive thanks to Goblinboy and Feyd_Ruin for editing this monstrosity and my banner in the case of the latter. And a final thanks to anyone who helped in the writers forum

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    Last edited by Qwerty: 3/5/2005 4:28:36 PM

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  • #2
    Good read.

    When posting other deck titles that are acronyms though you might want to give the full version. Like what is ATS?


    A few typos when it comes to the card tags, but overall very informative and didn't detract from the article.
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  • #3
    ATS in an acronym for "Angry Tradewind Survival".

    Don't counter it on the principle that you don’t want it in play (although that’s an advantage). Counter it on the principle that you can hopefully draw them into a counter war


    Though doesn't this rather backfire if they simply let it get countered ? After all, this matchup doesn't seem like it's really about Shackles.

    Good article. I've never actually seen this deck played first-hand... I feel like I've learned a lot. Grin
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    Thanks Smile

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    Though doesn't this rather backfire if they simply let it get countered ? After all, this matchup doesn't seem like it's really about Shackles.


    The best option is pulling it into a counter war, and if you do counter the shackels youve got rid of a annoying card, Ive often exhautsed counters in wars you would be suprised how muck BBs players like shackels, althought to be honest if its resolved I have often cunning wished for a shattering pulse to kill it. A good player wont get drawn into a counterwar, but if you can pull a player into a war it helps a lot on the path to win :P.

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  • #5
    Good read.
    Lately your articles been getting me interested in the format... seems very wide spread and everything. And the article gave me a nice general idea of how the deck runs and etc...

    Keep it up Wink
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  • #6
    Another great Article from t3h Legacy man. Now you just have to write one on goblins and we are set! :biggrin3:
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  • #7
    as a sceptor control player I realy injoyed this article. Keep up the good work. Also I have to say that is an awwwSOME banner. Who ever did it they did a very good job.
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  • #8
    I've never liked Masticore as a win condition in a control deck, even in the wildest of metas. Against most creature metas, Exalted Angel seems like it'd be better anyways. And Scepter/StP should take care of any creatures anyways. Speaking of which, in a creature heavy meta, why does your deck not run Swords to Plowshares or Orim's Chants? o.O Those are the cards that make Scepter the most playable against those types of decks...
  • #9
    Quote from CynicalSquirrel »
    I've never liked Masticore as a win condition in a control deck, even in the wildest of metas. Against most creature metas, Exalted Angel seems like it'd be better anyways. And Scepter/StP should take care of any creatures anyways. Speaking of which, in a creature heavy meta, why does your deck not run Swords to Plowshares or Orim's Chants? o.O Those are the cards that make Scepter the most playable against those types of decks...


    First there’s 3 listed types of deck, I listed a version of each. The UR version is my tourney deck, and masticore is a lot better than morpling when facing down goblins, add to that the draw in the deck. You see its UR not UWr O_o, I listed both my other play test decks. The article is about all 3 versions that see play not just one.

    Next up my meta is Red and a lot of it, hence the followings statements

    I dont run swords because, they don’t work as well as you think on a stick not to mention that there’s no white in the deck (in addition stp is average on a stick, and can be made ineffective easily), first once gaining control with a scepter what does a STP do compared to a bolt on a stick?. Nothing they will horde and multi cast creatures, and chant chant stops the creatures but doesn’t stop the instants.

    And while that is a tweaked meta deck I listed the change's for a non tweaked version.

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    Legacy
    UWR delverUW
    FishU
    zooGRW
    Soladarity U

    Modern
    4c delver WURG
    Fish U
    Standard
    Mono Blue devU
    White Wheenie W
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  • #10
    Quote from CynicalSquirrel »
    I've never liked Masticore as a win condition in a control deck, even in the wildest of metas. Against most creature metas, Exalted Angel seems like it'd be better anyways. And Scepter/StP should take care of any creatures anyways. Speaking of which, in a creature heavy meta, why does your deck not run Swords to Plowshares or Orim's Chants? o.O Those are the cards that make Scepter the most playable against those types of decks...


    Er cynical he explained all his choices and mentioned both exhalted angel and orims chant.
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  • #11
    First of all, great article! Even though I don't play T1.5(I hate the name Legacy), it was interesting. One question though: why no Abeyance? It seems like it would be a perfect fit.

    EDIT: Bah. For some reason, I thought it stopped creatures. Then I took a look at it. Ignore me.
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  • #12
    Very very good article. This is the kind of writing wich isnt boring to read and now I want to try out scepter control in legacy as well ^^

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  • #13
    excellent article makes me want to start playing UWr Scepter Chant in Legacy. now if i can only get some duals for a relatively cheap price. i generally like to play more than 10 counters in my md though. closer to 12 or 13 and probably a few painlands rather than islands. probably only 4 islands maindeck. maybe some man-lands in the UWr one as well.
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  • #14
    Again thanks :), The Legacy name is starting to grow on me, its sounds as old as vintage but not senile type old. just all the good stuff old. And imho it fits with the generic magic storyline better (legacy artifacts :halo:).

    I would advise against using so many non basic land, the main reason being crucible of worlds+Wastelland or back to basics. Both can be played by the decks harder matchs like BBS.

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    Legacy
    UWR delverUW
    FishU
    zooGRW
    Soladarity U

    Modern
    4c delver WURG
    Fish U
    Standard
    Mono Blue devU
    White Wheenie W
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  • #15
    Isn't FOF slow? Especially in Legacy?




  • #16
    Quote from Frozenmage »
    Isn't FOF slow? Especially in Legacy?


    Not realy once the card resolves your in a lot beter postion to win the game that say a AK or even a brainstorm, +you have otherdraw as well.

    Qwerty

    Legacy
    UWR delverUW
    FishU
    zooGRW
    Soladarity U

    Modern
    4c delver WURG
    Fish U
    Standard
    Mono Blue devU
    White Wheenie W
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  • #17
    I like the article. I never really liked Specter control cause I have a hard time using it but I may take another shot again after reading this.
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  • #18
    From my experience playing with sceptor control (casual), I've learned to not drop the sceptor right away on turn 2, but instead turn 4 where you have another counterspell availiable to deal with artifact hate or etc... I think if I play 1.5 I would get into isochron sceptor simply because the flexibility it gives...

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  • #19
    Qwerty what about a primer about extended chant?




  • #20
    1.x isnt my field but we have a lot of 1.x articles lined up for the week to come and thats about all i can say without breaking user confidence.

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    Legacy
    UWR delverUW
    FishU
    zooGRW
    Soladarity U

    Modern
    4c delver WURG
    Fish U
    Standard
    Mono Blue devU
    White Wheenie W
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  • #21
    I will say that if a 1.x chant article does not appear soon, I will write 1 as I Play it in 1.x Smile
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  • #22
    Good...it's dificult to find good chant articles




  • #23
    This is a great article it goes to the basics and in depth of what isochron scepter is all about. Very nice read Qwerty. Keep up the good work your doing a great job.:)
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