Turbo fog is a deck that uses spells that fog enemy creatures. The deck is essentially made up of fog spells and turbo card draw effects. It usually wins by drawing an opponent out and sometimes uses mill cards to speed up the process.
Emrakul, the Aeons Torn is a random win condition that stops me from drawing out my whole deck. It is also good against any random mill deck that might pop up.(unlikely)
Currently fixing this list up. I will post the updated version soon.
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I like the idea a lot. I love play leyline of sanctity MD.
Probably will cut flashfreeze MD for 4th snapcaster mage and probably will put 3rd Jace Beleren.
Maybe we can add the good Jace on 20th Dec?
P.D: Decks with Emrakul will kill you anyway with anihilator like gruul tron
leyline is pretty meh against a few decks. I'm not sold on the 4th snappy yet because I have yet to test it, but I am going to cut the flashfreeze for a different counterspell. You need to incorporate a few counterspells to attempt to have a decent game against control/combo.
Actually jace B is better than JTMS in this deck because it is another turbo effect that also can help mill your opponent faster. This is an old list that needs to be updated a bit.
As for emrakul I'm not worried about it. With 12post banned it sees no competitive play. If it was an issue I could sideboard in a ton of cards.
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Seems like this deck could be great in a field full of zoo. Timely reinforcements could be the card this deck needs to get past the red decks.
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Seems like this deck could be great in a field full of zoo. Timely reinforcements could be the card this deck needs to get past the red decks.
yeah still working out kinks. I can easily beat zoo with it now I'm attempting to beat teachings.
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What if you went with a more transformative sideboard? Something like 4 Boomerang, 3-4 Eye of Nowhere, 2-3 Luminarch Ascension, 6-8 hard counters. That would let you ensure an early mana advantage, and then sit on it to get an ascension into play. Or just play gigadrowse, ascension, and counters....
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If Emrakul doesn't have haste, then yes, Oblivion Ring works. (Abilities from colored sources are not colored spells.) However, if they're reviving Emrakul with Through the Breach or Goryo's Vengeance, then yeah, you're hooped. So are a lot of other decks, though.
If emrakul is a big problem, there's always Tajuru preserver. I wouldn't count on him being that big of a portion of the meta, at least not after it settles down.
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I mean what would you use? Oblivion Ring and Journey to Nowhere just won't get the job done. Maybe Gather Specimens? I don't know, it seems this deck is in pretty bad shape vs annihilator.
counterspells........
I am going to put some number of cryptic commands in here. I am also going to start running black so I could put something like geths verdict in. Tron loses to zoo anyways so I am not concerned with it.
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Yeah, Emrakul is still going to be a bad matchup (can't be countered, causes you to sac permanents when he attacks, so you basically can't stop him), and it might have some trouble with Zoo, but I don't know that it can be dismissed just based on that. There's lots of decks that aren't better than 50/50 vs. Zoo that still make up a significant portion of the metagame. If you punt to a deck that's 2% of the metagame, that's shaving down your overall win % by a significant margin. Especially if there's a way to get that matchup into the 40% or better range.
Luminarch Ascension is a good idea for this deck - you are basically stopping people from damaging you, might as well use that to get an Ascension online.
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Yeah, Emrakul is still going to be a bad matchup (can't be countered, causes you to sac permanents when he attacks, so you basically can't stop him), and it might have some trouble with Zoo, but I don't know that it can be dismissed just based on that. There's lots of decks that aren't better than 50/50 vs. Zoo that still make up a significant portion of the metagame. If you punt to a deck that's 2% of the metagame, that's shaving down your overall win % by a significant margin. Especially if there's a way to get that matchup into the 40% or better range.
Luminarch Ascension is a good idea for this deck - you are basically stopping people from damaging you, might as well use that to get an Ascension online.
emrakul is only really effective after being cheated into play. The spells that cheat him into play can be countered.
If it became a big deal surgical extraction handles it(the shuffle clause), although I don't think it will become a big deal. I mean the earliest you could expect to cast it is on turn what 6? this just isn't good enough in this format.
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Well, I've seen a bunch of decks that ramp towards playing an Emrakul, among other possible win conditions. Yes, if your deck does nothing except ramp it will die before it casts Emrakul, but if you are, say, making tons of mana with Elves, or playing a tron strategy that focuses more on stalling than on instantly filling the tron, then maybe you are fine. Or maybe not.
What I'm saying, though, is a) Whether or not those decks beat Zoo is no longer a sufficient condition for them to be played in tournaments, which are now going to see a huge portion of the metagame taken by control decks, and b) putting 1 Ascension maindeck and a couple more in the board only makes this deck stronger. I don't even see where there's a matchup where you wouldn't want to use it as your primary win con instead of decking.
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Well, I've seen a bunch of decks that ramp towards playing an Emrakul, among other possible win conditions. Yes, if your deck does nothing except ramp it will die before it casts Emrakul, but if you are, say, making tons of mana with Elves, or playing a tron strategy that focuses more on stalling than on instantly filling the tron, then maybe you are fine. Or maybe not.
What I'm saying, though, is a) Whether or not those decks beat Zoo is no longer a sufficient condition for them to be played in tournaments, which are now going to see a huge portion of the metagame taken by control decks, and b) putting 1 Ascension maindeck and a couple more in the board only makes this deck stronger. I don't even see where there's a matchup where you wouldn't want to use it as your primary win con instead of decking.
any deck that runs permanent removal like zoo, jund, junk or decks that run counterspells like control. Waiting several turns for an enchantment to not be molested is asking a lot. Its not like we run 20 counterspells to protect the thing. I would rather dedicate slots to specific things, and come up with an alternate win condition against control.
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any deck that runs permanent removal like zoo, jund, junk or decks that run counterspells like control. Waiting several turns for an enchantment to not be molested is asking a lot. Its not like we run 20 counterspells to protect the thing. I would rather dedicate slots to specific things, and come up with an alternate win condition against control.
You don't have to do anything except invest 1W and the card, though, so who cares if they remove it? If they spend 1WG and a card, you are ahead. If they are going to save removal specifically for it, then how is it a bad card to be running? It's not like you have no permanents.
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I was playing this deck vs RG Eldrazi Tron, and I got destroyed. Yes, you can play counterspells and avoid Through the Breach or Tooth and Nail but you can't avoid Tron, in fact you help them build the tron with all the draw.
As for the matchup vs Zoo, since you've mentioned it, the deck can cheat Emrakul in turn 4 consistently, and if not has a lot of walls to defend itself. Against control just owns it like 12post did: Emrakul uncounterable says hi. The deck finds its flaw against combo (in my opinion) being its only hope in cheating Emrakul first than the combo.
To wrap this up, I think it is in fact a viable deck and I was just asking what solution could this deck have when faced with an attacking Emrakul.
Geth’s Verdict may be a solution, but it won't work when Emrakul is attacking with a stupid wall on his side.
Surgical Extraction only works if you add some discard, or we just wait for the discard phase?
emrakul won't see play at the top tables unless it is a reanimater deck. I am more worried about zoo, jund, doran, teachings, and affinity.
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Here's my u/w turbofog deck. I've been having a lot of success with it on Cockatrice. Not really sure what I'd go with for the side board, was thinking anti-control/combo since this deck beats aggro no problem. I've even hard cast Emrakul a few time and had to Wrath not to deck myself. The deck is a lot of fun to play.
EDH/Commander
Olivia Voldaren
Sigarda, Host of Herons
Jor Kadeen, the Prevailer
Jhoira of the Ghitu
Jarad, Golgari Lich Lord
Edric, Spymaster of Trest
Grand Arbiter Augustin IV
Rosheen Meanderer
Ghost Council of Orzhova
Vela the Night-Clad
My list is doing pretty good against combo and aggro, but I am still struggling against control. What about a transformational sideboard full of mill cards since mill is traditional good against control? My list has changed from the OP. I will post the updated list soon.
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Nevermore would come in against combo, control, or eldrazi. Its mostly an extra fail safe with leyline. I really don't know what else you'd use. I'm up for suggestions.
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Sigarda, Host of Herons
Jor Kadeen, the Prevailer
Jhoira of the Ghitu
Jarad, Golgari Lich Lord
Edric, Spymaster of Trest
Grand Arbiter Augustin IV
Rosheen Meanderer
Ghost Council of Orzhova
Vela the Night-Clad
Nevermore would come in against combo, control, or eldrazi. Its mostly an extra fail safe with leyline. I really don't know what else you'd use. I'm up for suggestions.
Have any idea how to make the control MU better? This is the only one that I struggle with atm. Storm isn't easy but with leyline and a few other "narrower" cards it isn't so bad.
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Maybe the answer to control is to have a super permissive sideboard and try to win with inevitability? The deck is really geared toward aggro strategies so to tackle anything else would be a transformative side board from turbofog to draw-go.
Or maybe Luminarch Ascension in there somewhere? The card has a lot of potential in a more permissive build. I do like Pithing Needle a lot because it stops planeswalkers and some combos and is probably a much better choice then Nevermore. Another option instead of Leyline of Sanctity is Runed Halo for combo hate.
If we did this though I would think we may need to up the Wrath of God count to 3 MD plus so more spot removal like Oblivion Ring or Path to Exile and drop the Holy Days. Oblivion Ring hits more things but Path to Exile is permanent creature removal so more testing would be needed to determine the right choice. I'm also kind of leery about Howling Mine since it always seems to get O-Ringed the turn after I cast it so maybe the best way to go is 4 Temple Bell instead? It's worth a try although it ups the 3 CMC slot up by a lot.
After some edits I got a main deck that looks like this:
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Olivia Voldaren
Sigarda, Host of Herons
Jor Kadeen, the Prevailer
Jhoira of the Ghitu
Jarad, Golgari Lich Lord
Edric, Spymaster of Trest
Grand Arbiter Augustin IV
Rosheen Meanderer
Ghost Council of Orzhova
Vela the Night-Clad
My list is doing pretty good against combo and aggro, but I am still struggling against control. What about a transformational sideboard full of mill cards since mill is traditional good against control? My list has changed from the OP. I will post the updated list soon.
Mill is a good option. Becoming more aggressive with uncounterable creatures or with flash is another. Enchantments that produce tokens such as Sacred Mesa is an option as is manlands or even Urza's Factory. Control is a hard match up for sure. I don't know if there's a silver bullet.
Isochron Scepter is so good in this deck. It is an all star, if you're not playing it add at. I play 4x of it and it's amazing. It allows you just to set up a no damage combo turn two without drawing much else. You won't have to worry about hitting more fog effects. Add it.
I spent soooo much time on this deck, and I can say, it just does not work. If you really want to play it, I suggest playing a WB version. The strenght of the deck is that you will not lose if they dont have hate. Yet if they do, it is pointless and you have nuttin
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3 Snapcaster Mage
1 Emrakul, the Aeons Torn
[32 other spells]
4 Dawn Charm
4 Leyline of Sanctity
4 Howling Mine
3 Vision Skeins
2 Ethereal Haze
2 Holy Day
2 Pollen Lullaby
2 Jace Beleren
2 Temple Bell
1 Cryptic Command
1 Day of Judgment
1 Wrath of God
1 Gifts Ungiven
1 Flashfreeze
1 Negate
1 Noxious Revival
4 Seachrome Coast
3 Hallowed Fountain
2 Celestial Colonnade
2 Misty Rainforest
2 Marsh Flats
2 Mikokoro, Center of the Sea
2 Mystic Gate
1 Academy Ruins
3 Plains
3 Island
3 Spellskite
3 Timely Reinforcements
2 Path to Exile
1 Pongify
1 Noxious Revival
1 Wrath of God
Emrakul, the Aeons Torn is a random win condition that stops me from drawing out my whole deck. It is also good against any random mill deck that might pop up.(unlikely)
Currently fixing this list up. I will post the updated version soon.
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leyline is pretty meh against a few decks. I'm not sold on the 4th snappy yet because I have yet to test it, but I am going to cut the flashfreeze for a different counterspell. You need to incorporate a few counterspells to attempt to have a decent game against control/combo.
Actually jace B is better than JTMS in this deck because it is another turbo effect that also can help mill your opponent faster. This is an old list that needs to be updated a bit.
As for emrakul I'm not worried about it. With 12post banned it sees no competitive play. If it was an issue I could sideboard in a ton of cards.
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-Terror is an emotion which, when experienced, results in death.
-The pox was a disease notorious for having killed one-third, rounded up, of Europe’s population. Smallpox, on the other hand, killed only a single person.
-A person riding a horse cannot be stopped by foot soldiers, large animals, walls, archers, or even catapults.
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yeah still working out kinks. I can easily beat zoo with it now I'm attempting to beat teachings.
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-Terror is an emotion which, when experienced, results in death.
-The pox was a disease notorious for having killed one-third, rounded up, of Europe’s population. Smallpox, on the other hand, killed only a single person.
-A person riding a horse cannot be stopped by foot soldiers, large animals, walls, archers, or even catapults.
More facts of magic
counterspells........
I am going to put some number of cryptic commands in here. I am also going to start running black so I could put something like geths verdict in. Tron loses to zoo anyways so I am not concerned with it.
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Luminarch Ascension is a good idea for this deck - you are basically stopping people from damaging you, might as well use that to get an Ascension online.
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emrakul is only really effective after being cheated into play. The spells that cheat him into play can be countered.
If it became a big deal surgical extraction handles it(the shuffle clause), although I don't think it will become a big deal. I mean the earliest you could expect to cast it is on turn what 6? this just isn't good enough in this format.
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What I'm saying, though, is a) Whether or not those decks beat Zoo is no longer a sufficient condition for them to be played in tournaments, which are now going to see a huge portion of the metagame taken by control decks, and b) putting 1 Ascension maindeck and a couple more in the board only makes this deck stronger. I don't even see where there's a matchup where you wouldn't want to use it as your primary win con instead of decking.
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any deck that runs permanent removal like zoo, jund, junk or decks that run counterspells like control. Waiting several turns for an enchantment to not be molested is asking a lot. Its not like we run 20 counterspells to protect the thing. I would rather dedicate slots to specific things, and come up with an alternate win condition against control.
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You don't have to do anything except invest 1W and the card, though, so who cares if they remove it? If they spend 1WG and a card, you are ahead. If they are going to save removal specifically for it, then how is it a bad card to be running? It's not like you have no permanents.
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emrakul won't see play at the top tables unless it is a reanimater deck. I am more worried about zoo, jund, doran, teachings, and affinity.
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4x Howling Mine
2x Temple Bell
1x Emrakul, The Aeons Torn
4x Snapcaster Mage
4x Cryptic Command
4x Mana Leak
4x Dawn Charm
4x Etheral Haze
4x Holy Day
1x Jace, Memory Adept
2x Wrath of God
1x Academy Ruins
1x Mikokoro, Center of the Sea
2x Marsh Flats
2x Misty Rainforest
2x Mystic Gate
4x Celestial Colonnade
4x Hallowed Fountain
4x Seachrome Coast
2x Island
2x Plains
2x Negate
2x Path to Exile
2x Relic of Progenitus
4x Leyline of Sanctity
4x Nevermore
Standard
Modern
Living End Combo
Legacy
T.E.S.
TezzAffinity
Combo Elves
Belcher
Forgemaster Combo
High Tide
Solidarity
Merfolk
Burn
Goblins
UnLEDed Dredge
EDH/Commander
Olivia Voldaren
Sigarda, Host of Herons
Jor Kadeen, the Prevailer
Jhoira of the Ghitu
Jarad, Golgari Lich Lord
Edric, Spymaster of Trest
Grand Arbiter Augustin IV
Rosheen Meanderer
Ghost Council of Orzhova
Vela the Night-Clad
haves/wants. looking for modern splinter twin
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Modern
Living End Combo
Legacy
T.E.S.
TezzAffinity
Combo Elves
Belcher
Forgemaster Combo
High Tide
Solidarity
Merfolk
Burn
Goblins
UnLEDed Dredge
EDH/Commander
Olivia Voldaren
Sigarda, Host of Herons
Jor Kadeen, the Prevailer
Jhoira of the Ghitu
Jarad, Golgari Lich Lord
Edric, Spymaster of Trest
Grand Arbiter Augustin IV
Rosheen Meanderer
Ghost Council of Orzhova
Vela the Night-Clad
Have any idea how to make the control MU better? This is the only one that I struggle with atm. Storm isn't easy but with leyline and a few other "narrower" cards it isn't so bad.
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4x Leyline of Sanctity
1x Jace, Memory Adept
2x Negate
4x Dissipate
4x Pithing Needle
Or maybe Luminarch Ascension in there somewhere? The card has a lot of potential in a more permissive build. I do like Pithing Needle a lot because it stops planeswalkers and some combos and is probably a much better choice then Nevermore. Another option instead of Leyline of Sanctity is Runed Halo for combo hate.
If we did this though I would think we may need to up the Wrath of God count to 3 MD plus so more spot removal like Oblivion Ring or Path to Exile and drop the Holy Days. Oblivion Ring hits more things but Path to Exile is permanent creature removal so more testing would be needed to determine the right choice. I'm also kind of leery about Howling Mine since it always seems to get O-Ringed the turn after I cast it so maybe the best way to go is 4 Temple Bell instead? It's worth a try although it ups the 3 CMC slot up by a lot.
After some edits I got a main deck that looks like this:
4x Temple Bell
4x Oblivion Ring
1x Emrakul, The Aeons Torn
4x Snapcaster Mage
4x Cryptic Command
4x Mana Leak
4x Dawn Charm
4x Ethereal Haze
1x Jace, Memory Adept
3x Wrath of God
1x Academy Ruins
2x Mikokoro, Center of the Sea
2x Marsh Flats
2x Misty Rainforest
2x Mystic Gate
4x Celestial Colonnade
4x Hallowed Fountain
3x Seachrome Coast
2x Island
2x Plains
With this list I was thinking against some control decks you could sideboard like this:
-3 Wrath of God
-4 Dawn Charm
-4 Ethereal Haze
+1 Jace, Memory Adept
+2 Negate
+4 Dissipate
+4 Pithing Needle or Luminarch Ascension?
Side-note: Unfortunately the deck is really reliant on the Turbo part. If that gets disrupted for too many turns its usually game over pretty quickly.
Standard
Modern
Living End Combo
Legacy
T.E.S.
TezzAffinity
Combo Elves
Belcher
Forgemaster Combo
High Tide
Solidarity
Merfolk
Burn
Goblins
UnLEDed Dredge
EDH/Commander
Olivia Voldaren
Sigarda, Host of Herons
Jor Kadeen, the Prevailer
Jhoira of the Ghitu
Jarad, Golgari Lich Lord
Edric, Spymaster of Trest
Grand Arbiter Augustin IV
Rosheen Meanderer
Ghost Council of Orzhova
Vela the Night-Clad
Mill is a good option. Becoming more aggressive with uncounterable creatures or with flash is another. Enchantments that produce tokens such as Sacred Mesa is an option as is manlands or even Urza's Factory. Control is a hard match up for sure. I don't know if there's a silver bullet.
EDIT: Play at your own risk, dont waste youur money on it like I did.
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