Since Modern is a new format and I just started playing magic in 2009 there is a lot of cards I don't know and interactions that I will not realize so any ideas and help is appreciated. No I don't want to build Caw Blade because I honestly don't like playing the deck and this version is more fun for me to play.
Batterskull is not only bad without SFM, it's EXTRA bad as a 1 of without SFM.
this is not true. It is one of the best "creatures" you could ever play because it doesn't die to path to exile. I have won quite a few games with a more casual deck that i've been trying to get good with batterskull. It has a recursion effect for the token, and if it gets blown up you bring it back with academy ruins.
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Vapor snag over Mana Leak mabe?
I dunno if Mana Tithe is any good.
Batterskull is not only bad without SFM, it's EXTRA bad as a 1 of without SFM.
I don't believe that vapor snag does enough for me. I only slows down my opponent momentarily.
Mana tithe might be worth testing out though, especially against the aggro decks, altho i think that timely reinforcements and wrath of god will most likely be enough.
I once farted during the final match for prizes at an FNM. It was a tense moment, everything was quiet, control vs control, I was about to mana leak, thought about it.. and farted. Then mana leaked.
I don't believe that vapor snag does enough for me. I only slows down my opponent momentarily.
Mana tithe might be worth testing out though, especially against the aggro decks, altho i think that timely reinforcements and wrath of god will most likely be enough.
this is not true. It is one of the best "creatures" you could ever play because it doesn't die to path to exile. I have won quite a few games with a more casual deck that i've been trying to get good with batterskull. It has a recursion effect for the token, and if it gets blown up you bring it back with academy ruins.
Great points all of them, but as a 1 of? Even a 2 of would be preferable.
Great points all of them, but as a 1 of? Even a 2 of would be preferable.
I generally run Gifts and list for knowledge In UW control. Gifts for it or just use draw power for it is fine. You really only need to see 1. Its hard to protect multiples.
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I generally run Gifts and list for knowledge In UW control. Gifts for it or just use draw power for it is fine. You really only need to see 1. Its hard to protect multiples.
A tutor definitely helps the playability of 1 ofs, yes.
Which raises the question, why not just splash B and make it Esper Control? It's great with Teachings, expands it's toolbox (notable Esper Charm), and is already well established.
A tutor definitely helps the playability of 1 ofs, yes.
Which raises the question, why not just splash B and make it Esper Control? It's great with Teachings, expands it's toolbox (notable Esper Charm), and is already well established.
I would think about it, but running it strait blue white is kinda nice if land hate gets bad. If you put enough artifacts in thirst for knowledge is great card draw. It is slightly weak to control/combo. It is more of an anti-aggro deck.
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I would think about it, but running it strait blue white is kinda nice if land hate gets bad. If you put enough artifacts in thirst for knowledge is great card draw. It is slightly weak to control/combo. It is more of an anti-aggro deck.
Hating out Aggro is VERY nice in a format where Zoo/Affinity are prevalent.
My only concern then, would be the 12post matchup. Can you disrupt them enough?
Hating out Aggro is VERY nice in a format where Zoo/Affinity are prevalent.
My only concern then, would be the 12post matchup. Can you disrupt them enough?
you can run crucible of worlds and ghost quarter. I guess you could also run spreading seas.
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if UW you can easily fit ghost quarter into the main deck. Crucible can be searched using gifts. It isn't a perfect solution though. ensnaring bridge is decent too.
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if UW you can easily fit ghost quarter into the main deck. Crucible can be searched using gifts. It isn't a perfect solution though. ensnaring bridge is decent too.
Thanks very much all the advice everyone.
I have wanted to try out rune snag over mana leak I just don't own any at the moment and haven't taken the time to test it yet.
The hero of bladehole seems to be 50/50 in some of the matches I've played and the gifts ungiven I'm hesitant to use it cuz I can't make use of the cards going to the graveyard.
My deck so far has tested well against zoo so I'm just trying to adjust the sb for control and combo match ups as well as see what I'm doing with the hero of bladeholds and the 1 batterskull.
the gifts ungiven I'm hesitant to use it cuz I can't make use of the cards going to the graveyard.
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I would run 4 ghost quarter main as you can always target one of your own lands and grab an untapped basic so it won't hurt you any. Academy ruins is a must in the deck, to recur your artifacts. Crucible of worlds combos with ghost quarter to beat 12 post. Tolaria west is another option for your gifts package, and noxious revival works pretty well in gifts packages also.
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I would run 4 ghost quarter main as you can always target one of your own lands and grab an untapped basic so it won't hurt you any. Academy ruins is a must in the deck, to recur your artifacts. Crucible of worlds combos with ghost quarter to beat 12 post. Tolaria west is another option for your gifts package, and noxious revival works pretty well in gifts packages also.
Yeah the ghost quarter package seems nice with crucible of worlds and gifts ungiven.
The hero's could b swapped out for the gifts ungiven and replace think twice with some 1 ofs to spread out the threats. The only problem is changing up the deck accordingly to make use of the cards in the graveyard from gifts but I don't run many artifacts to really make use of academy ruins and I don't want to completely change the deck to throw this into the deck.
I too will suggest the inclusion of B thus making it Esper as it really helps the Combo/Control matchups. Thoughtseize, Esper Charm, and Vendilion Clique make for very good disruption...
Manabases in Modern should be fine but obviously should be built to withstand some hate...
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I like the spread with gifts ungiven, but what is your win condition?
You don't seem to be able to deal a lot of damage since the only creatures that you run with any power are vendilion clique and batterskull.
The shackles and trinket mages are the only other creatures potentially and that's not factoring any removal your opponents are running.
I like the spread with gifts ungiven, but what is your win condition?
You don't seem to be able to deal a lot of damage since the only creatures that you run with any power are vendilion clique and batterskull.
The shackles and trinket mages are the only other creatures potentially and that's not factoring any removal your opponents are running.
triskelion is a 4/4 that can hit my opponent for 2-3 each turn without attacking. It is also immune to path to exile and can be reoccurred with academy ruins. Trinket mages just block or look for certain things along the way. Honestly I really don't like them since I don't have to run chalice of the void. I'll probably change them to something else, except I need to at least get a bit of value on the artifacts that I run for thirst for knowledge.
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triskelion is a 4/4 that can hit my opponent for 2-3 each turn without attacking. It is also immune to path to exile and can be reoccurred with academy ruins. Trinket mages just block or look for certain things along the way. Honestly I really don't like them since I don't have to run chalice of the void. I'll probably change them to something else, except I need to at least get a bit of value on the artifacts that I run for thirst for knowledge.
Oh I see, still risky in my opinion to run just one main creature that does most of your damage. How has playing it and testing it gone so far?
Oh I see, still risky in my opinion to run just one main creature that does most of your damage. How has playing it and testing it gone so far?
I've been playing it for a while, but just recently added White. If they don't extirpate trisc Is golden. The main important thing is that it can't really be pathed unless I play really, really stupidly.
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3x Vendilion Clique
3x Kira, Great Glass-Spinner
3x Hero of Bladehold
2x Sun Titan
Removal 7
3x Path to Exile
2x Oblivion Ring
2x Wrath of God
Counter Magic 8
4x Mana Leak
4x Cryptic Command
Planeswalkers 5
3x Jace Beleren
2x Gideon Jura
3x Think Twice
Artifacts 1
1x Batterskull
Lands 25
4x Celestial Colonnade
4x Glacial Fortress
3x Mystic Gate
1x Misty Rainforest
1x Mystifying Maze
4x Tectonic Edge
4x Island
4x Plains
2x Baneslayer Angel
3x Timely Reinforcements
1x Path to Exile
1x Oblivion Ring
2x War Priest of Thune
2x Disenchant
2x Celestial Purge
2x Flashfreeze
Since Modern is a new format and I just started playing magic in 2009 there is a lot of cards I don't know and interactions that I will not realize so any ideas and help is appreciated. No I don't want to build Caw Blade because I honestly don't like playing the deck and this version is more fun for me to play.
I dunno if Mana Tithe is any good.
Batterskull is not only bad without SFM, it's EXTRA bad as a 1 of without SFM.
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this is not true. It is one of the best "creatures" you could ever play because it doesn't die to path to exile. I have won quite a few games with a more casual deck that i've been trying to get good with batterskull. It has a recursion effect for the token, and if it gets blown up you bring it back with academy ruins.
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I don't believe that vapor snag does enough for me. I only slows down my opponent momentarily.
Mana tithe might be worth testing out though, especially against the aggro decks, altho i think that timely reinforcements and wrath of god will most likely be enough.
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Meant Rune Snag, no CLUE how I wound up with Vapor Snag.
I dunno. Aggro in this format is more of beatdown than anything. It's a strong early game into a great midrange.
Great points all of them, but as a 1 of? Even a 2 of would be preferable.
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I generally run Gifts and list for knowledge In UW control. Gifts for it or just use draw power for it is fine. You really only need to see 1. Its hard to protect multiples.
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A tutor definitely helps the playability of 1 ofs, yes.
Which raises the question, why not just splash B and make it Esper Control? It's great with Teachings, expands it's toolbox (notable Esper Charm), and is already well established.
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I would think about it, but running it strait blue white is kinda nice if land hate gets bad. If you put enough artifacts in thirst for knowledge is great card draw. It is slightly weak to control/combo. It is more of an anti-aggro deck.
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Hating out Aggro is VERY nice in a format where Zoo/Affinity are prevalent.
My only concern then, would be the 12post matchup. Can you disrupt them enough?
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you can run crucible of worlds and ghost quarter. I guess you could also run spreading seas.
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While Ghost Quarter+Crucible is fun, I think it would throw our deck "off balance," to have 5 or more slots dedicated to one matchup.
Spreading Seas feels lackluster in this format, but I guess it should be considered.
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Thanks very much all the advice everyone.
I have wanted to try out rune snag over mana leak I just don't own any at the moment and haven't taken the time to test it yet.
The hero of bladehole seems to be 50/50 in some of the matches I've played and the gifts ungiven I'm hesitant to use it cuz I can't make use of the cards going to the graveyard.
My deck so far has tested well against zoo so I'm just trying to adjust the sb for control and combo match ups as well as see what I'm doing with the hero of bladeholds and the 1 batterskull.
I would run 4 ghost quarter main as you can always target one of your own lands and grab an untapped basic so it won't hurt you any. Academy ruins is a must in the deck, to recur your artifacts. Crucible of worlds combos with ghost quarter to beat 12 post. Tolaria west is another option for your gifts package, and noxious revival works pretty well in gifts packages also.
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Yeah the ghost quarter package seems nice with crucible of worlds and gifts ungiven.
The hero's could b swapped out for the gifts ungiven and replace think twice with some 1 ofs to spread out the threats. The only problem is changing up the deck accordingly to make use of the cards in the graveyard from gifts but I don't run many artifacts to really make use of academy ruins and I don't want to completely change the deck to throw this into the deck.
Manabases in Modern should be fine but obviously should be built to withstand some hate...
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3 Vendilion Clique
2 Trinket Mage
1 Triskelion
[29 otherspells]
4 Gifts Ungiven
4 Rune Snag
3 Path to Exile
3 Thirst for Knowledge
2 Cryptic Command
2 Vedalken Shackles
1 Day of Judgment
1 Hallowed Burial
1 Noxious Revival
1 Wrath of God
1 Oblivion Ring
1 Batterskull
1 Crucible of Worlds
1 Elixir of Immortality
1 Engineered Explosives
1 Mishra's Bauble
1 Sunbeam Spellbomb
4 Ghost Quarter
4 Glacial Fortress
2 Celestial Colonnade
2 Seachrome Coast
1 Academy Ruins
1 Arid Mesa
1 Darksteel Citadel
1 Hallowed Fountain
1 Misty Rainforest
1 Tolaria West
4 Island
3 Plains
3 Negate
3 Circle of Protection: Red
4 Leyline of Sanctity
1 Oblivion Ring
4 Spreading Seas
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I like the spread with gifts ungiven, but what is your win condition?
You don't seem to be able to deal a lot of damage since the only creatures that you run with any power are vendilion clique and batterskull.
The shackles and trinket mages are the only other creatures potentially and that's not factoring any removal your opponents are running.
triskelion is a 4/4 that can hit my opponent for 2-3 each turn without attacking. It is also immune to path to exile and can be reoccurred with academy ruins. Trinket mages just block or look for certain things along the way. Honestly I really don't like them since I don't have to run chalice of the void. I'll probably change them to something else, except I need to at least get a bit of value on the artifacts that I run for thirst for knowledge.
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Oh I see, still risky in my opinion to run just one main creature that does most of your damage. How has playing it and testing it gone so far?
I've been playing it for a while, but just recently added White. If they don't extirpate trisc Is golden. The main important thing is that it can't really be pathed unless I play really, really stupidly.
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