What's with the sharp decrease in cost with the online price of Theros cards? In paper magic most of the money cards have held their value or actually increased. Online, asides from the ptq VIP cards' spike, there has only been falling value. Is this result of the sellers' conglomerate fixing lie prices to stock up and then make a killing in a couple months?
Prices drop after the release events. It took the pro tour to cause them to drop, and not the release events themselves. I guess the new payouts for release sealed had something to do with prices as well.
And i'm assuming there were also a lot more speculators than people willing to pay 20 tickets for master of waves and thassas.
As for the conglomerate fixing prices, that could be a possible, but the new release sealed payouts really throw a wrench into what really happened.
What's with the sharp decrease in cost with the online price of Theros cards? In paper magic most of the money cards have held their value or actually increased. Online, asides from the ptq VIP cards' spike, there has only been falling value. Is this result of the sellers' conglomerate fixing lie prices to stock up and then make a killing in a couple months?
if the "conglomerate" conspiracy theory were actually true, sell prices would be high and buy prices would be low - if they can actually fix prices, they just increase the spread to increase their profits, it wouldn't make any sense to depress both.
As an aside, I actually work in anti-trust law and the person over on that conspiracy thread who said the fact that X copies Y's prices is "clearly" a breach of the law is completely wrong - how do you think petrol stations do their pricing. What's clearly illegal is agreements as to the level of price before posting them and no one showed any evidence of that.
What's with the sharp decrease in cost with the online price of Theros cards? In paper magic most of the money cards have held their value or actually increased. Online, asides from the ptq VIP cards' spike, there has only been falling value. Is this result of the sellers' conglomerate fixing lie prices to stock up and then make a killing in a couple months?
The vast majority of online cards decline in value the longer they're out. The supply keeps increasing way faster than demand, as limited events open product at a tremendous rate, and there are way WAY fewer tournament constructed players than tournament limited players.
It pretty much takes strong constructed tournament showings or a big casual fad for a card to break that trend. Being out of print for a while can help too.
What's with the sharp decrease in cost with the online price of Theros cards? In paper magic most of the money cards have held their value or actually increased. Online, asides from the ptq VIP cards' spike, there has only been falling value. Is this result of the sellers' conglomerate fixing lie prices to stock up and then make a killing in a couple months?
This ALWAYS happens when a new set comes out.
In paper, most of the cards for sale now come from dealers cracking open cases. Dealers might crack 10 cases on release day, providing a medium level of supply (with high demand for some cards). Then supply doesn't increase much after the wild case cracking of the first week.
In MTGO, draft is the biggest source of cards. That means the supply keeps increasing.
Prices will fall quite a bit further than they already have - expect them to hit rock bottom for Theros cards soon after Born of the Gods releases, then slowly (and I mean slowly) climb back to 90% of what they are now. Not every card will do this (some will fall hard, others will gain a bit) but the secondary market value of a set will trend toward 90 to 100 at lowest.
It's a good sale, but if u soldit earlier u got have gotten more.
I sold mine for 21, but it was down hill from there.
It looks like the hype over mono blue is done.
How long can Hero's downfall hold its price? Its ultimately a 1 for 1 card, but its extremely efficient. Should I just buy in now, or will it come down in a few weeks?
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How long can Hero's downfall hold its price? Its ultimately a 1 for 1 card, but its extremely efficient. Should I just buy in now, or will it come down in a few weeks?
I encourage you to read this thread, or use the search before posting.
It's a fall set rare. Fall set rares have a ceiling of 6-7 tickets (see snapcaster, deathrite shaman). This card is a removal spell, which makes it comparable to mizzium mortars (4 ticket ceiling). I feel strongly that the price for this card, and thoughtseize is still too high.
I can't give you the exact date when they will drop. But there are some trends for the price of the average rare/mythics over time. The price of the average rare/mythic goes down when they start redemption. There is also another trend where the fall set hits another low point during the release of the next set (ISD, RTR). If you believe in those trends you could wait till around the 31st of the month to by this card.
I encourage you to read this thread, or use the search before posting.
It's a fall set rare. Fall set rares have a ceiling of 6-7 tickets (see snapcaster, deathrite shaman). This card is a removal spell, which makes it comparable to mizzium mortars (4 ticket ceiling). I feel strongly that the price for this card, and thoughtseize is still too high.
I can't give you the exact date when they will drop. But there are some trends for the price of the average rare/mythics over time. The price of the average rare/mythic goes down when they start redemption. There is also another trend where the fall set hits another low point during the release of the next set (ISD, RTR). If you believe in those trends you could wait till around the 31st of the month to by this card.
I have read the thread. People were comparing HD to Dreadbore, a comparison that wasn't particularly accurate, or very useful. As well it is relevant to re-ask certain questions with the passing of time as the answer may have changed.
My question is more along the lines of - is HD's prices inflated because its the kind of card you want to play four of, or because its actually that good.
Also the search function is horrible for MTGS, it would yield me a bunch of threads with HD in it, and then make me search through them to find where HD is mentioned.
Thank you for the info on redemption though.
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I can't give you the exact date when they will drop. But there are some trends for the price of the average rare/mythics over time. The price of the average rare/mythic goes down when they start redemption.
Interesting... The price going down when they *start* redemption? That seems counter-intuitive to me - wouldn't the supply be decreasing and thus the remaining cards be more valuable?
Interesting... The price going down when they *start* redemption? That seems counter-intuitive to me - wouldn't the supply be decreasing and thus the remaining cards be more valuable?
supply will start going down a little bit at the "start" but the people buying have a max price for a set that they will pay (a percentage of what they can get for it in paper). If they can't get it at that price they will not buy. so the price of a set is limited. From there they will be more willing to pay for high ticket items and less willing to pay for low ticket items.
since sellers want max value and the redemption buyers have a top threshold, the high ticket items rise a bit in price to balance out the loss on low ticket items. This is why Voice was close to $50 since it was carrying the value of the whole set. Now that another card is gaining price (BBoV) the price of Voice can drop to a more reasonable level without the redemption price of the set fluxuating too much.
this is at least how I've been understanding it. A few things will screw with this when a card gains a lot of hype, but sellers aren't yet willing to sell other card cheaper making the set price rise, but it will always fall back to equilibrium eventually.
i have a question about mythic foil prices, like foil Elspeth, foil Xenagos... . How do their prices usually develope? Do they go down over time when there are more foils available or do they keep their prices? I could not find a website where you can see the development of foil cards over a larger period of time.
Help would be much appreciated.
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Would you buy temple's of mystery at .8? Though GU doesn't have a whole ton going for it now, come the next two blocks it might get some love, I could see it going up to 3 as well as the others.
Heh, all the articles i've read on scg premium said that the pros liked the scry lands, some even liked them more than shocks.
I think getting a rare dual land at under a ticket is a fair price. I don't think these are that good of a spec, since it's a fall set. The Born of the Gods lands might be a better spec, assuming they're under 1 ticket.
Would it be possible to just go out and buy all the, say, foil Medomais or Hythonias and just artificially drive up market demand once redemption starts?
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Generally works for me in those kinds of situations.
Would it be possible to just go out and buy all the, say, foil Medomais or Hythonias and just artificially drive up market demand once redemption starts?
I would assume so, but you'd probably have to buy at least several hundred of them.
I think this is what happened to Grimoire of the Dead
Would it be possible to just go out and buy all the, say, foil Medomais or Hythonias and just artificially drive up market demand once redemption starts?
Speaking of which, when does redemption start for a given set? The Wizards set release schedule only includes the cut-off date, not the start date.
Speaking of which, when does redemption start for a given set? The Wizards set release schedule only includes the cut-off date, not the start date.
I think you have to message them on twitter for the exact date for when redemption starts. The calendar says redemption starts 1 month after the release
I think esper is actually really bad. It has a terrible underworld connections match up. Sadly i'm dumping my revelations now since they haven't budged in the past hour, and the metagame won't be kind to the deck in the near future.
The elspeth price drop didn't make much sense, but i'll probably buy my copies soon.
I am not sure you are right about that.
It can counter or detention sphere underworld.
Post board it has blood baron that is great against the mono black.
Time will tell.
Esper takes way too long to win. Eventually mono black is going to be able to resolve an underworld connections or an erebos and win. There's only so many detention spheres one can play. And with the thoughtseizes it's going to be hard to answer all of mono black's threats.
Now you could fill your deck up with negates, pithing needles and Jace, MAs, but then you just weaken your aggro match up.
Mono black is heavily favored vs esper. Just look at BBD beating esper 2-0 in the top 8. I'm sure you'll get the same feedback in the standard forum.
Well you might be right, but a part of magic for me is to play the deck you enjoy more.
I have mono black too, but esper is more fun for me so far.
I have very little time to actually play so most of the time i play 2mans (and yes, I know it's not very profitable) and so far I haven't lost a single match with esper. Didn't face mono black yet though.
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Prices drop after the release events. It took the pro tour to cause them to drop, and not the release events themselves. I guess the new payouts for release sealed had something to do with prices as well.
And i'm assuming there were also a lot more speculators than people willing to pay 20 tickets for master of waves and thassas.
As for the conglomerate fixing prices, that could be a possible, but the new release sealed payouts really throw a wrench into what really happened.
Yeah i think 6/7 tickets is way too high for a removal spell. The rare removal spells in RTR (mizzium mortars, abrupt decay), weren't that high.
if the "conglomerate" conspiracy theory were actually true, sell prices would be high and buy prices would be low - if they can actually fix prices, they just increase the spread to increase their profits, it wouldn't make any sense to depress both.
As an aside, I actually work in anti-trust law and the person over on that conspiracy thread who said the fact that X copies Y's prices is "clearly" a breach of the law is completely wrong - how do you think petrol stations do their pricing. What's clearly illegal is agreements as to the level of price before posting them and no one showed any evidence of that.
The vast majority of online cards decline in value the longer they're out. The supply keeps increasing way faster than demand, as limited events open product at a tremendous rate, and there are way WAY fewer tournament constructed players than tournament limited players.
It pretty much takes strong constructed tournament showings or a big casual fad for a card to break that trend. Being out of print for a while can help too.
This ALWAYS happens when a new set comes out.
In paper, most of the cards for sale now come from dealers cracking open cases. Dealers might crack 10 cases on release day, providing a medium level of supply (with high demand for some cards). Then supply doesn't increase much after the wild case cracking of the first week.
In MTGO, draft is the biggest source of cards. That means the supply keeps increasing.
Prices will fall quite a bit further than they already have - expect them to hit rock bottom for Theros cards soon after Born of the Gods releases, then slowly (and I mean slowly) climb back to 90% of what they are now. Not every card will do this (some will fall hard, others will gain a bit) but the secondary market value of a set will trend toward 90 to 100 at lowest.
Anyone going in on Desecration Demon/Underworld Connections/Pack Rat/Whip/Lifebane etc??
I sold mine for 21, but it was down hill from there.
It looks like the hype over mono blue is done.
Plus it isn't in theros so the market isn't super flooded with it.
I encourage you to read this thread, or use the search before posting.
It's a fall set rare. Fall set rares have a ceiling of 6-7 tickets (see snapcaster, deathrite shaman). This card is a removal spell, which makes it comparable to mizzium mortars (4 ticket ceiling). I feel strongly that the price for this card, and thoughtseize is still too high.
I can't give you the exact date when they will drop. But there are some trends for the price of the average rare/mythics over time. The price of the average rare/mythic goes down when they start redemption. There is also another trend where the fall set hits another low point during the release of the next set (ISD, RTR). If you believe in those trends you could wait till around the 31st of the month to by this card.
I have read the thread. People were comparing HD to Dreadbore, a comparison that wasn't particularly accurate, or very useful. As well it is relevant to re-ask certain questions with the passing of time as the answer may have changed.
My question is more along the lines of - is HD's prices inflated because its the kind of card you want to play four of, or because its actually that good.
Also the search function is horrible for MTGS, it would yield me a bunch of threads with HD in it, and then make me search through them to find where HD is mentioned.
Thank you for the info on redemption though.
Interesting... The price going down when they *start* redemption? That seems counter-intuitive to me - wouldn't the supply be decreasing and thus the remaining cards be more valuable?
supply will start going down a little bit at the "start" but the people buying have a max price for a set that they will pay (a percentage of what they can get for it in paper). If they can't get it at that price they will not buy. so the price of a set is limited. From there they will be more willing to pay for high ticket items and less willing to pay for low ticket items.
since sellers want max value and the redemption buyers have a top threshold, the high ticket items rise a bit in price to balance out the loss on low ticket items. This is why Voice was close to $50 since it was carrying the value of the whole set. Now that another card is gaining price (BBoV) the price of Voice can drop to a more reasonable level without the redemption price of the set fluxuating too much.
this is at least how I've been understanding it. A few things will screw with this when a card gains a lot of hype, but sellers aren't yet willing to sell other card cheaper making the set price rise, but it will always fall back to equilibrium eventually.
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I'm guessing that's because it's bugged. You can sometimes restart the game (clocks and board states), with her minus ability.
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I think getting a rare dual land at under a ticket is a fair price. I don't think these are that good of a spec, since it's a fall set. The Born of the Gods lands might be a better spec, assuming they're under 1 ticket.
Generally works for me in those kinds of situations.
I would assume so, but you'd probably have to buy at least several hundred of them.
I think this is what happened to Grimoire of the Dead
http://www.supernovabots.com/prices_3.txt
Speaking of which, when does redemption start for a given set? The Wizards set release schedule only includes the cut-off date, not the start date.
I think you have to message them on twitter for the exact date for when redemption starts. The calendar says redemption starts 1 month after the release
http://www.wizards.com/magic/digital/magiconline.aspx?x=mtg/digital/magiconline/calendar/2013
Why is that?
The elspeth price drop didn't make much sense, but i'll probably buy my copies soon.
It can counter or detention sphere underworld.
Post board it has blood baron that is great against the mono black.
Time will tell.
Now you could fill your deck up with negates, pithing needles and Jace, MAs, but then you just weaken your aggro match up.
Mono black is heavily favored vs esper. Just look at BBD beating esper 2-0 in the top 8. I'm sure you'll get the same feedback in the standard forum.
I have mono black too, but esper is more fun for me so far.
I have very little time to actually play so most of the time i play 2mans (and yes, I know it's not very profitable) and so far I haven't lost a single match with esper. Didn't face mono black yet though.