The card is really bad, I agree. However Michael Jacob streamed the Grixis deck where he 4-0'd and 3-1'd a few times. He constantly said and pointed out with examples that seer was the worst card in the deck, but that didn't stop people from copying him and playing that garbage deck.
I could see that fluke happening again.
But I think the real success of Seer depends on if they print any good burn spells. Seer is much better in a aggressive deck than a control deck.
Grixis Control seems like a pretty awful way to gauge Seer's potential. Something like Seer followed by Sire of Insanity is cute but between Sire, the split cards, PWs and other miscellaneous card, the average cmc is too high. Furthermore, I think the absolute last thing you want to be doing in control is to granting your opponent free CA. Saying Duskmantle Seer is the worst thing in a control shell is like throwing Snapcaster into an aggro deck light on non-creature spells and saying "the flash is nice but he's the worst card in the deck".
BUG Aggro is a good example of the kind of deck that Seer can possibly latch onto. You have a quick deck, low average CMC, a way to mitigate the symmetry of the effect and no better aggressive 4-drop aligned within those colors. I figure Scavenger Ooze, much like Deathrite Shaman is another way to offset the life loss as well. It's a shame were losing Strangleroot Geist though.
Just on another note, it might not be a 6 month but more of a 12-18 month spec but Sword of Light and Shadow is almost down to 5 tickets atm. Also I think Elspeth might soon reach her price floor.
Curious what you guys think of a card I have been watching for a bit and think it's a really really good card but just doesn't have a home right now, Skylasher.
1G for a 2/2 with so many abilities. I can't help but think it was printed for a specific reason and that reason just hasn't come along yet. The abilities are just too specific, so much so that they would appear to be intended to keep another certain card in check. Maybe something to come in Theros?
Either way, it's at .11 right now and I think it could be a good pick up if something comes along.
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Curious what you guys think of a card I have been watching for a bit and think it's a really really good card but just doesn't have a home right now, Skylasher.
1G for a 2/2 with so many abilities. I can't help but think it was printed for a specific reason and that reason just hasn't come along yet. The abilities are just too specific, so much so that they would appear to be intended to keep another certain card in check. Maybe something to come in Theros?
Either way, it's at .11 right now and I think it could be a good pick up if something comes along.
You beat me to it haha. I've been actually finding them for sub .1 so I've picked up six or so play sets with leftover bot credit. To be honest, it's one of my favorite cards in DGM and I find it funny that in today's standard a bear with four rather relevant abilities isn't even being talked about. Of course, if it were around during Delver there would be much more buzz but obviously that's not the case.
I've heard people talking about this guy seeing some non-standard to profitably block GoST, Fairies (Vendilion Clique, Spellstutter Sprites), Delver and etc. but Scryb Ranger is also a card, one which directly competes with Skylasher and has a pretty relevant untap ability.
Truth is, were going to need a (or multiple) high powered blue flyers with sub 2 toughness in standard for this to see legitimate play within the format. As for WoTC printing things with or without a specific reason, I'll simply point to Master of the Pearl Trident and everyone who got burned on him. Regardless, I see potential and I'm perfectly fine with picking them up on the cheap. An aggressively costed uncounterable bear with flash, reach and pro. blue? He'll do something one day.
You beat me to it haha. I've been actually finding them for sub .1 so I've picked up six or so play sets with leftover bot credit. To be honest, it's one of my favorite cards in DGM and I find it funny that in today's standard a bear with four rather relevant abilities isn't even being talked about. Of course, if it were around during Delver there would be much more buzz but obviously that's not the case.
I've heard people talking about this guy seeing some non-standard to profitably block GoST, Fairies (Vendilion Clique, Spellstutter Sprites), Delver and etc. but Scryb Ranger is also a card, one which directly competes with Skylasher and has a pretty relevant untap ability.
Truth is, were going to need a (or multiple) high powered blue flyers with sub 2 toughness in standard for this to see legitimate play within the format. As for WoTC printing things with or without a specific reason, I'll simply point to Master of the Pearl Trident and everyone who got burned on him. Regardless, I see potential and I'm perfectly fine with picking them up on the cheap. An aggressively costed uncounterable bear with flash, reach and pro. blue? He'll do something one day.
I also scavenged some left over bot credit and have 20 of them now. Even if they don't actually do anything, I didn't stick my neck out getting them so I won't be terribly disappointed. I agree that he is just too good to not do something some day. I was actually sideboarding him in modern for a bit when I was going up against GoST a lot. I have since taken him out because I haven't seen it in a while.
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One might think that with Delver rotating out of the format, Skylasher should become worse.
Speaking of Devler, Skylasher seems more like a designated Delver hatecard than anything.
It may have been designed to hate Delver, but it does incidentally hit a lot of other fringe playable cards hard. Flash is also relevant in a format with one excellent evolve card (Experiment One) and other fringe playable ones (Cloudfin Raptor).
I have won games on the back of flashing in a Snapcaster on an empty graveyard to turn a blocked 1/1 Experiment One into a 2/2 when not expected. It's rare, but it happens.
One might think that with Delver rotating out of the format, Skylasher should become worse.
Speaking of Devler, Skylasher seems more like a designated Delver hatecard than anything.
I doubt that they made it as a Delver hater just because it would make no sense to include it in the set right before Delver rotates out. No sense in hating a card for only a few months.
I would make more sense to get the card out to hate something yet to come.
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What do you guys think is a good price to pick up shocks right now? Ive been buying up any blue ones for less than 2.7 tix. Not sure if I should up it to 3 tix and just load up or not.
Also, should I dump my reckoners or hold them? Not even sure what they are going for but I'm not using them.
I think any shock at 3 or less is fine. Not exciting but fine. Reckoner will probably be a format staple until it rotates, so I imagine it will hold at about 6 for the duration of Standard.
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I think any shock at 3 or less is fine. Not exciting but fine. Reckoner will probably be a format staple until it rotates, so I imagine it will hold at about 6 for the duration of Standard.
Reckoner will remain one of the best creatures in the format. If there's no Boros deck viable however, it is an open question as to how powerful a WWW or RRR cost awesome 3 drop is.
Mono R is still a thing and is the second most played archetype in Block right now. There are also a few postings of UWR control from Block that use the Reckoner. Block is usually a good indicator of future metas, right?
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Mono R is still a thing and is the second most played archetype in Block right now. There are also a few postings of UWR control from Block that use the Reckoner. Block is usually a good indicator of future metas, right?
Good but not perfect. Multicolor creatures, and higher casting cost cards are normally the things that don't port well.
This block is an exception to the multicolor point, but for the most part this is true.
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It's comparable to Grixis, which has been posting results pretty consistently now. Just don't have Slaughter Games. You get Assemble and more tools to deal with aggro initial onslaught and Warleaders Helix to regain the lost life. Maybe it's not the greatest choice but it has posted results and is viable.
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It's noteworthy that with Act and Pyre leaving the format, Reckoner will lose a lot of versatility. The interaction with Domri is still as great as ever, but losing the others might prevent Reckoner from increasing much if at all.
Yeah, I agree, those two interaction are actually wincons. I don't see him rising or falling substantially anytime soon tbh.
How do you guys feel about Ruric Thar, the Unbowed? Again, this is predicated on a slower meta and something like Esper not skipping a beat as it transfers from block to type 2 but he seems like he'd be very good in such a meta. I was listening to Kibler at GP Miami rationalize why he was SBing Ruric Thar over Sire of Insanity in his Jund list, stating that the meta had already caught onto Sire and had ways to deal with it before the end step. He then went on to say that there was no real way to "deal" with Ruric Thar once it lands without taking 6 to the face.
Lastly, this may be of interest to everyone. I was comparing the rise of shocks, checks, fast lands and etc. between paper and online and realized the online versions began their climb before their paper variants (sometimes as much as a month earlier). What would be the reason for this?
Mono R is still a thing and is the second most played archetype in Block right now. There are also a few postings of UWR control from Block that use the Reckoner. Block is usually a good indicator of future metas, right?
I think Mono R exists due to lack of other low drops and cheap removal in block. The deck gets torn apart pretty easily in a format with shock, bolts, and blades.
Yeah, I agree, those two interaction are actually wincons. I don't see him rising or falling substantially anytime soon tbh.
How do you guys feel about Ruric Thar, the Unbowed? Again, this is predicated on a slower meta and something like Esper not skipping a beat as it transfers from block to type 2 but he seems like he'd be very good in such a meta. I was listening to Kibler at GP Miami rationalize why he was SBing Ruric Thar over Sire of Insanity in his Jund list, stating that the meta had already caught onto Sire and had ways to deal with it before the end step. He then went on to say that there was no real way to "deal" with Ruric Thar once it lands without taking 6 to the face.
Lastly, this may be of interest to everyone. I was comparing the rise of shocks, checks, fast lands and etc. between paper and online and realized the online versions began their climb before their paper variants (sometimes as much as a month earlier). What would be the reason for this?
What timeline are you talking about? It easily could be people selling out to play in prereleases and releases.
I think Mono R exists due to lack of other low drops and cheap removal in block. The deck gets torn apart pretty easily in a format with shock, bolts, and blades.
What timeline are you talking about? It easily could be people selling out to play in prereleases and releases.
I'll use the ISD check lands as the latest example..
Woodland Cemetery started to rise towards the end of July (7/20/12) online where as it didn't begin until 9/3/12 in paper. Attached are the two graves representing this. This trend can pretty much be seen across the board.
People respond to trends faster on MTGO. ISD Block sucked after AVR, but people knew shocks were coming so they spec' on them. I hope shocks go up 2-3x their current value.
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It's noteworthy that with Act and Pyre leaving the format, Reckoner will lose a lot of versatility. The interaction with Domri is still as great as ever, but losing the others might prevent Reckoner from increasing much if at all.
I think Snapcaster has shown that sometimes, rares can be really good and still not get past a certain mark, just due to limited demand (3xR/W seems comparable to 1U+spell heavy) and enough supply. Resto Angel is the exception, being played in a wide array of decks, even outside of standard.
It might me worth watching what cards are released with future sets and how they might favourably interact with Reckoner.
Resto Angel got so high because of it being drafted less. It's by far the best AVR card that's rare or mythic and it's in a set no one wanted to draft. Unusual case, however.
Reckoner is mostly played for the anti-aggro element. It's simply a 3 drop that kills two creatures against aggro decks unless they have one of the few good cards in the format that can one-for-one with it. Its combo with Blasphemous Act is a bonus rather than the reason it is played.
For that reason I expect it to keep seeing play after rotation. Just how much play is an open question and really depends upon what cards are printed that efficiently one-for-one it. I would also expect there are less Reckoners in print than there are Snapcaster Mages.
Overall I consider Reckoner a HOLD but not a BUY. For comparison, shocklands would be 'safe' BUYs, and Plasm Capture is a risky BUY.
So I speculated kind of hard on Exava and I'm currently sitting on 52 of them @ .12-.13. The spoiling of the new mythic hydra from m14 caused a spike and it's currently sitting at .56 on mtggoldfish. I'm not positive if the interaction is anything more than a gimmick though and I'm wondering if I should unload a couple sets or just wait. Thoughts?
If exava has really gone up on the basis of that sort of speculation, then sell into it. It doesn't matter if the interraction is real or not if the price increase is real then take advantage of it if you can, at least to some degree.
If exava has really gone up on the basis of that sort of speculation, then sell into it. It doesn't matter if the interraction is real or not if the price increase is real then take advantage of it if you can, at least to some degree.
So "to some degree" would be selling a couple play sets. I still think it has legitimate potential but part of me thinks half a tick each was what I was hoping for. I guess I should just hedge a bit.
I did the same thing with Worldspine Worm. Right when Garruk 4.0 was spoiled I bought 18 for .5 and it soon climbed up to a dollar. I've since sold a play set @ .9 each and and just find myself staring at the card thinking "this will never see play in standard, why am I holding onto the rest". Right before selling off another couple play sets I checked mtggoldfish and it's climbed further to 1.31. Hype is a hard thing to predict but I suppose can be taken advantage of during these spoilers. I just don't want to get caught with my pants down staring at a bunch of worthless Worldspine Wurm.
The trouble with speculative hype is you never can tell where the near term top is, but as long as you are confident there will be a dip you can sell and not worry about how much you made.
The trouble is when the dip is above the expected low and you have to decide whether to buy in there or wait and possibly miss out.
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Grixis Control seems like a pretty awful way to gauge Seer's potential. Something like Seer followed by Sire of Insanity is cute but between Sire, the split cards, PWs and other miscellaneous card, the average cmc is too high. Furthermore, I think the absolute last thing you want to be doing in control is to granting your opponent free CA. Saying Duskmantle Seer is the worst thing in a control shell is like throwing Snapcaster into an aggro deck light on non-creature spells and saying "the flash is nice but he's the worst card in the deck".
BUG Aggro is a good example of the kind of deck that Seer can possibly latch onto. You have a quick deck, low average CMC, a way to mitigate the symmetry of the effect and no better aggressive 4-drop aligned within those colors. I figure Scavenger Ooze, much like Deathrite Shaman is another way to offset the life loss as well. It's a shame were losing Strangleroot Geist though.
1G for a 2/2 with so many abilities. I can't help but think it was printed for a specific reason and that reason just hasn't come along yet. The abilities are just too specific, so much so that they would appear to be intended to keep another certain card in check. Maybe something to come in Theros?
Either way, it's at .11 right now and I think it could be a good pick up if something comes along.
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You beat me to it haha. I've been actually finding them for sub .1 so I've picked up six or so play sets with leftover bot credit. To be honest, it's one of my favorite cards in DGM and I find it funny that in today's standard a bear with four rather relevant abilities isn't even being talked about. Of course, if it were around during Delver there would be much more buzz but obviously that's not the case.
I've heard people talking about this guy seeing some non-standard to profitably block GoST, Fairies (Vendilion Clique, Spellstutter Sprites), Delver and etc. but Scryb Ranger is also a card, one which directly competes with Skylasher and has a pretty relevant untap ability.
Truth is, were going to need a (or multiple) high powered blue flyers with sub 2 toughness in standard for this to see legitimate play within the format. As for WoTC printing things with or without a specific reason, I'll simply point to Master of the Pearl Trident and everyone who got burned on him. Regardless, I see potential and I'm perfectly fine with picking them up on the cheap. An aggressively costed uncounterable bear with flash, reach and pro. blue? He'll do something one day.
I also scavenged some left over bot credit and have 20 of them now. Even if they don't actually do anything, I didn't stick my neck out getting them so I won't be terribly disappointed. I agree that he is just too good to not do something some day. I was actually sideboarding him in modern for a bit when I was going up against GoST a lot. I have since taken him out because I haven't seen it in a while.
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It may have been designed to hate Delver, but it does incidentally hit a lot of other fringe playable cards hard. Flash is also relevant in a format with one excellent evolve card (Experiment One) and other fringe playable ones (Cloudfin Raptor).
I have won games on the back of flashing in a Snapcaster on an empty graveyard to turn a blocked 1/1 Experiment One into a 2/2 when not expected. It's rare, but it happens.
I doubt that they made it as a Delver hater just because it would make no sense to include it in the set right before Delver rotates out. No sense in hating a card for only a few months.
I would make more sense to get the card out to hate something yet to come.
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Also, should I dump my reckoners or hold them? Not even sure what they are going for but I'm not using them.
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Reckoner will remain one of the best creatures in the format. If there's no Boros deck viable however, it is an open question as to how powerful a WWW or RRR cost awesome 3 drop is.
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Good but not perfect. Multicolor creatures, and higher casting cost cards are normally the things that don't port well.
This block is an exception to the multicolor point, but for the most part this is true.
It's comparable to Grixis, which has been posting results pretty consistently now. Just don't have Slaughter Games. You get Assemble and more tools to deal with aggro initial onslaught and Warleaders Helix to regain the lost life. Maybe it's not the greatest choice but it has posted results and is viable.
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Yeah, I agree, those two interaction are actually wincons. I don't see him rising or falling substantially anytime soon tbh.
How do you guys feel about Ruric Thar, the Unbowed? Again, this is predicated on a slower meta and something like Esper not skipping a beat as it transfers from block to type 2 but he seems like he'd be very good in such a meta. I was listening to Kibler at GP Miami rationalize why he was SBing Ruric Thar over Sire of Insanity in his Jund list, stating that the meta had already caught onto Sire and had ways to deal with it before the end step. He then went on to say that there was no real way to "deal" with Ruric Thar once it lands without taking 6 to the face.
Lastly, this may be of interest to everyone. I was comparing the rise of shocks, checks, fast lands and etc. between paper and online and realized the online versions began their climb before their paper variants (sometimes as much as a month earlier). What would be the reason for this?
What timeline are you talking about? It easily could be people selling out to play in prereleases and releases.
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I'll use the ISD check lands as the latest example..
Woodland Cemetery started to rise towards the end of July (7/20/12) online where as it didn't begin until 9/3/12 in paper. Attached are the two graves representing this. This trend can pretty much be seen across the board.
Resto Angel got so high because of it being drafted less. It's by far the best AVR card that's rare or mythic and it's in a set no one wanted to draft. Unusual case, however.
Reckoner is mostly played for the anti-aggro element. It's simply a 3 drop that kills two creatures against aggro decks unless they have one of the few good cards in the format that can one-for-one with it. Its combo with Blasphemous Act is a bonus rather than the reason it is played.
For that reason I expect it to keep seeing play after rotation. Just how much play is an open question and really depends upon what cards are printed that efficiently one-for-one it. I would also expect there are less Reckoners in print than there are Snapcaster Mages.
Overall I consider Reckoner a HOLD but not a BUY. For comparison, shocklands would be 'safe' BUYs, and Plasm Capture is a risky BUY.
If exava has really gone up on the basis of that sort of speculation, then sell into it. It doesn't matter if the interraction is real or not if the price increase is real then take advantage of it if you can, at least to some degree.
So "to some degree" would be selling a couple play sets. I still think it has legitimate potential but part of me thinks half a tick each was what I was hoping for. I guess I should just hedge a bit.
I did the same thing with Worldspine Worm. Right when Garruk 4.0 was spoiled I bought 18 for .5 and it soon climbed up to a dollar. I've since sold a play set @ .9 each and and just find myself staring at the card thinking "this will never see play in standard, why am I holding onto the rest". Right before selling off another couple play sets I checked mtggoldfish and it's climbed further to 1.31. Hype is a hard thing to predict but I suppose can be taken advantage of during these spoilers. I just don't want to get caught with my pants down staring at a bunch of worthless Worldspine Wurm.
The trouble is when the dip is above the expected low and you have to decide whether to buy in there or wait and possibly miss out.