I sometimes visit the website Dawglare (http://mtg.dawnglare.com/?p=legacy) to get an overview of card values. I do this mostly because a lot of cards have their value creep over time, and sometimes something is over-looked because of slow growth.
In general, no common from Homelands has a value of more than a quarter (w/ the exception of Merchant Scroll. What struck me as peculiar was the "version 2" tag of some of them, which seam to have gone to at least 75 cents. Now that is really nothing, a mere spit in the bucket.
The part that stood out was "version 2." Is there a shading difference that makes them worth a bit more, such as what is found in Arabian Nights (use Oubliette as an example of the price difference in the shading), or is a certain print run (as in the case for Edgar aka Summer Magic? Or could it be the card stock that was used? I really want to know what sets Version 2 apart from Version 1?
I know this isn't a ground-breaking discovery... no one do a frantic search through their collection. This is more a question out of curiosity.
Alliances or Homelands? Title says one, post says another. Makes no difference really. It's not really ground breaking.
Alliances and Homelands along with many other early sets had cards printed with two or more different artworks. This isn't like Arabian Nights' discolored mana symbol or Summer Magic or Mirage. This is literally two different art for the same card name within the same set. I'm not even sure how to link to two samples to show you using our card tags.
Fallen Empires was notorious for the different arts where some cards has as many as four different art pieces. A lot of people were thrilled after opening their 4th different Goblin Chirurgeon in four packs.
WotC figured it would increase the collectibility of a set, but Fallen Empires also proved irritating to early players who memorized the picture on the card instead of reading the text. So WotC scaled it back quite a bit after FE.
You'll see many early sets that have this "feature" will often have two numbers in their card counts in the form of XX/YY where the smaller number is intended for players and the larger for collectors. For example Fallen Empires is a 120/187 set. However, no one counts cards like that in a set anymore though.
Alliances and Homelands along with many other early sets had cards printed with two or more different artworks. This isn't like Arabian Nights' discolored mana symbol or Summer Magic or Mirage. This is literally two different art for the same card name within the same set. I'm not even sure how to link to two samples to show you using our card tags.
I was rushing out to go to work, so I accidentally mentioned Alliances. As far as the correlation, was in a rush, so I didn't look up the difference. I was just mostly asking why the difference... I got into Magic during Fallen Empires & I remember all of my friends, myself included, thinking & saying "How lame," regarding the alternate artwork.
Is that really the only difference? The art? Was one art "rarer" than the other? Enough to make a difference?
Is that really the only difference? The art? Was one art "rarer" than the other? Enough to make a difference?
'Fraid so. It's not that one is rarer, but typically one is considered "better". Elvish Ranger is the classic example - one version has a male elf that's not terribly detailed, in a very rough art style, and the other version has a female elf that's an airbrushed pinup who's almost busting out of her shirt (I'm curious to see which version comes up with my card tag).
That said, there were distribution issues in early sets and sometimes one art would be impossible to find locally. I remember busting pack after pack of Alliances, vainly in search of the right art for Benthic Explorers. So that tints expectations.
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Is that really the only difference? The art? Was one art "rarer" than the other? Enough to make a difference?
'Fraid so. It's not that one is rarer, but typically one is considered "better". Elvish Ranger is the classic example - one version has a male elf that's not terribly detailed, in a very rough art style, and the other version has a female elf that's an airbrushed pinup who's almost busting out of her shirt (I'm curious to see which version comes up with my card tag).
The dude....
I remember her. Some guys used to call her some movie star... Jane Fonda I think. Barbarella or something... I don't really see the resemblence.
That said, there were distribution issues in early sets and sometimes one art would be impossible to find locally. I remember busting pack after pack of Alliances, vainly in search of the right art for Benthic Explorers. So that tints expectations.
Yep... it was frustrating with two opposing ideals here. The first trying to get complete sets from a collectors viewpoint and the other getting a matching play set from a playability view point. One version of Goblin Chirurgeon became a chase card for months because I wanted a 4of of the Foglio art. It also caused a lot of confusion. Did this card have 2, 3, or 4 art variants? Drove some collectors nuts and caused a lot of stupid rumors. I didn't even know the Scott Kirschner Hymn to Tourach even existed for about a year.
There's an even more annoying side effect of this. WotC doesn't always acknowledge there are multiple versions or, sometimes, more than one art on Gatherer. As of right now, Gatherer shows the same art for both versions of Dark Maze for example. TCGPlayer does as well. I had to flip through my cards to makes sure I wasn't remembering it wrong.
In general, no common from Homelands has a value of more than a quarter (w/ the exception of Merchant Scroll. What struck me as peculiar was the "version 2" tag of some of them, which seam to have gone to at least 75 cents. Now that is really nothing, a mere spit in the bucket.
The part that stood out was "version 2." Is there a shading difference that makes them worth a bit more, such as what is found in Arabian Nights (use Oubliette as an example of the price difference in the shading), or is a certain print run (as in the case for Edgar aka Summer Magic? Or could it be the card stock that was used? I really want to know what sets Version 2 apart from Version 1?
I know this isn't a ground-breaking discovery... no one do a frantic search through their collection. This is more a question out of curiosity.
Attached a screenshot of the prices.
Alliances and Homelands along with many other early sets had cards printed with two or more different artworks. This isn't like Arabian Nights' discolored mana symbol or Summer Magic or Mirage. This is literally two different art for the same card name within the same set. I'm not even sure how to link to two samples to show you using our card tags.
Fallen Empires was notorious for the different arts where some cards has as many as four different art pieces. A lot of people were thrilled after opening their 4th different Goblin Chirurgeon in four packs.
WotC figured it would increase the collectibility of a set, but Fallen Empires also proved irritating to early players who memorized the picture on the card instead of reading the text. So WotC scaled it back quite a bit after FE.
You'll see many early sets that have this "feature" will often have two numbers in their card counts in the form of XX/YY where the smaller number is intended for players and the larger for collectors. For example Fallen Empires is a 120/187 set. However, no one counts cards like that in a set anymore though.
WotC continues to do different cards in more subtle ways, such as the Tamiyo's Journal puzzle, Super Secret Tech, buy-a-box, ex.
I was rushing out to go to work, so I accidentally mentioned Alliances. As far as the correlation, was in a rush, so I didn't look up the difference. I was just mostly asking why the difference... I got into Magic during Fallen Empires & I remember all of my friends, myself included, thinking & saying "How lame," regarding the alternate artwork.
Is that really the only difference? The art? Was one art "rarer" than the other? Enough to make a difference?
'Fraid so. It's not that one is rarer, but typically one is considered "better". Elvish Ranger is the classic example - one version has a male elf that's not terribly detailed, in a very rough art style, and the other version has a female elf that's an airbrushed pinup who's almost busting out of her shirt (I'm curious to see which version comes up with my card tag).
That said, there were distribution issues in early sets and sometimes one art would be impossible to find locally. I remember busting pack after pack of Alliances, vainly in search of the right art for Benthic Explorers. So that tints expectations.
The dude....
I remember her. Some guys used to call her some movie star... Jane Fonda I think. Barbarella or something... I don't really see the resemblence.
Yep... it was frustrating with two opposing ideals here. The first trying to get complete sets from a collectors viewpoint and the other getting a matching play set from a playability view point. One version of Goblin Chirurgeon became a chase card for months because I wanted a 4of of the Foglio art. It also caused a lot of confusion. Did this card have 2, 3, or 4 art variants? Drove some collectors nuts and caused a lot of stupid rumors. I didn't even know the Scott Kirschner Hymn to Tourach even existed for about a year.
There's an even more annoying side effect of this. WotC doesn't always acknowledge there are multiple versions or, sometimes, more than one art on Gatherer. As of right now, Gatherer shows the same art for both versions of Dark Maze for example. TCGPlayer does as well. I had to flip through my cards to makes sure I wasn't remembering it wrong.