If you can find misty or verdant at that price, but out the entire stock. Fetches definitely aren't going down any time soon. Get them at the bottom now if you intend on using them any time soon.
Looking at eventually investing in enemy fetches and it seems like they might start to uptick according to mtgprice.com.
These are current prices:
Marsh Flats $21
Arid Mesa $24
Misty Rainforest $25
Verdant Catacombs $27
Scalding Tarn $46
Any advice? Should I buy now or wait?
Now is a pretty decent time to get in to enemy fetches. Supply is still pretty high, since MM3 is still on shelves, and the initial wave of buyers determined to get in at a good price is past. So, I'd buy in now if you want enemy fetches to use.
If you want them as an investment, then buy now but I'd caution you to flip them this winter. They're definitely not a long-term hold unless they're going in a deck. WOTC is really cranking up the reprint machine, and they'll definitely get another reprint in the next couple years.
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If you can find misty or verdant at that price, but out the entire stock. Fetches definitely aren't going down any time soon. Get them at the bottom now if you intend on using them any time soon.
This is extremely risky advice, and I would debate the portion of your text I bolded, as they could very easily be in Iconic Masters. Seeing as that Iconic Masters will be spoiled (at least partially) at HasCon September 8-10, we only need to wait 2 1/2 months to know if they're being reprinted.
Prices for Fetches dropped by 32% on the whole with the reprint. I followed the market for these closely and that is based on the fact exactly one copy of each Fetch from the Zen set cost a total of $242 on the day they were announced as a reprint (I was on TCG within mins. of the announcement so was able to price them before any market adjustments were made; Tarn was $65, Verdant $62, Mesa $40, Misty $42, Marsh Flats $33)) and today one copy of each of the reprints is only $166 (Tarn is $47, Verdant is $42, Mesa is $24, Misty is $28, and Marsh Flats is $25).
Another reprint could cause those prices to drop by another one-third, just as they did the first time. This is why, personally, I'm holding off on buying any Fetches until we know what Iconic Masters brings, I'm keeping my fingers crossed for another reprint. Of course that could possibly backfire as a FAILURE to reprint them in IM could cause a knee-jerk uptick in price, at which point we're again playing the waiting game to find out what Masters 25 brings us mid-March 2018. I would be very surprised if they weren't reprinted in at least one of those sets. Personally I'm willing to wait until September, and make my decision then. If they aren't reprinted in IM, and the prices don't jump, I'll be making my purchase then bc March is too long to wait, even if I do believe a reprint is coming.
BTW, I have no idea where the OP is claiming to see $27 Verdant's because I went to MTGPrice.com, the website he referenced, and they are $38 there. I'm assuming that's a typo and he meant $37, but if not, then yes, he should def be buying those up.
If you can find misty or verdant at that price, but out the entire stock. Fetches definitely aren't going down any time soon. Get them at the bottom now if you intend on using them any time soon.
This is extremely risky advice, and I would debate the portion of your text I bolded, as they could very easily be in Iconic Masters. Seeing as that Iconic Masters will be spoiled (at least partially) at HasCon September 8-10, we only need to wait 2 1/2 months to know if they're being reprinted.
Prices for Fetches dropped by 32% on the whole with the reprint. I followed the market for these closely and that is based on the fact exactly one copy of each Fetch from the Zen set cost a total of $242 on the day they were announced as a reprint (I was on TCG within mins. of the announcement so was able to price them before any market adjustments were made; Tarn was $65, Verdant $62, Mesa $40, Misty $42, Marsh Flats $33)) and today one copy of each of the reprints is only $166 (Tarn is $47, Verdant is $42, Mesa is $24, Misty is $28, and Marsh Flats is $25).
Another reprint could cause those prices to drop by another one-third, just as they did the first time. This is why, personally, I'm holding off on buying any Fetches until we know what Iconic Masters brings, I'm keeping my fingers crossed for another reprint. Of course that could possibly backfire as a FAILURE to reprint them in IM could cause a knee-jerk uptick in price, at which point we're again playing the waiting game to find out what Masters 25 brings us mid-March 2018. I would be very surprised if they weren't reprinted in at least one of those sets. Personally I'm willing to wait until September, and make my decision then. If they aren't reprinted in IM, and the prices don't jump, I'll be making my purchase then bc March is too long to wait, even if I do believe a reprint is coming.
BTW, I have no idea where the OP is claiming to see $27 Verdant's because I went to MTGPrice.com, the website he referenced, and they are $38 there. I'm assuming that's a typo and he meant $37, but if not, then yes, he should def be buying those up.
What I'm hoping for is that they reprint the fetchlands in standard set, which should be possible once they get away from the basic land types being attached to lands. Right now they can't really do it because the synergy with the BFZ and even the slower Cycling lands would be too much. I've badly wanted the enemy fetches for a long time and have a playset of all the allied ones (which I highly recommend getting right now).
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What I'm hoping for is that they reprint the fetchlands in standard set, which should be possible once they get away from the basic land types being attached to lands.
Yeah, don't get your hopes up.
Not only is WOTC getting more aggressive with adding basic types to lands, but putting the enemy fetches in MM3 indicates that they're trying to keep fetches out of Standard. My personal theory is that Frontier, or Postmodern (or whatever the next new format is) will be a fetch-less format, to help differentiate it from fetch-heavy Modern - and that means that if WOTC is even considering the idea, they'll hold off on fetches. WOTC will continue to put fetches in Masters sets because they'll sell whatever set they're in, but it's just too much to hope for a Standard-legal printing.
Enemy fetches are at a decent price right now, and while they may be reprinted in the next few Masters sets, there are enough people like you who have badly wanted them for a long time that the price won't take too much of a hit unless they're in EVERY Masters product for several years.
Besides, the longer you wait, the less time you'll have to actually play with them. That counts for something.
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What I'm hoping for is that they reprint the fetchlands in standard set, which should be possible once they get away from the basic land types being attached to lands.
Yeah, don't get your hopes up.
Not only is WOTC getting more aggressive with adding basic types to lands, but putting the enemy fetches in MM3 indicates that they're trying to keep fetches out of Standard. My personal theory is that Frontier, or Postmodern (or whatever the next new format is) will be a fetch-less format, to help differentiate it from fetch-heavy Modern - and that means that if WOTC is even considering the idea, they'll hold off on fetches. WOTC will continue to put fetches in Masters sets because they'll sell whatever set they're in, but it's just too much to hope for a Standard-legal printing.
Enemy fetches are at a decent price right now, and while they may be reprinted in the next few Masters sets, there are enough people like you who have badly wanted them for a long time that the price won't take too much of a hit unless they're in EVERY Masters product for several years.
Besides, the longer you wait, the less time you'll have to actually play with them. That counts for something.
The last statement I tend to disagree with completely. That assumption is basically saying modern is going to die along with legacy if a new format were to come around and that will basically never happen, as we have formats going such as the 93 format and vintage still here. Fetches need to be printed to a level that gets their prices at least in the 20 usd range. That is where most players tend to cap their costs on these kinds of cards, as they basically just serve a function in the game rather than provide feel of play.
Plus, a "fetchless format"? This is coming from the company that constantly prints Evolving Wilds, which if the primary complaint of fetches mechanically is the shuffling of ones deck, do exactly the same thing. In fact, if we start going into green players are shuffling decks quite a bit if they do search cards for land such as Rampant Growth.
I do think they are going to hit the reset button eventually because they can't really maintain the entire library of magic cards they are developing and producing at any reasonable rate. They are hitting logistical limitations and there's evidence that they are sending print runs to newer facilities, which is part of the reason we are seeing the leaks. The real question is if they will make the "right" choice on what cards should be in the new format and what it will mean for people playing pre-existing formats.
1. (Ravnica Allegiance): You can't keep a good esper control deck down... Or Wilderness Reclamation... or Gates...
2. (War of the Spark): Guys, I know what we need! We need a cycle of really idiotic flavor text victory cards! Jace's Triumph...
3. (War of the Spark): Lets make the format with control have even more control!
Besides, the longer you wait, the less time you'll have to actually play with them. That counts for something.
The last statement I tend to disagree with completely. That assumption is basically saying modern is going to die along with legacy if a new format were to come around and that will basically never happen, as we have formats going such as the 93 format and vintage still here.
Oh no, you misunderstand me. I'm definitely not saying that WOTC has plans to shut off Modern. All I'm saying is that if I buy a card in January, I can play with it for 6 months longer than if I bought it in July. It's not more time at the end of the card's legal life, it's more time up front. This is something that people bring up all the time when answering the "when to buy" question, because as much as it's a financial consideration, MTG is still a game, and being able to sleeve up your deck in January instead of July does have its own merits.
Fetches need to be printed to a level that gets their prices at least in the 20 usd range. That is where most players tend to cap their costs on these kinds of cards, as they basically just serve a function in the game rather than provide feel of play.
I'm going to disagree on this one - fetches are as expensive as they are because people cap their costs at the current cost of fetches. If players capped their costs at $20, nobody would buy fetches at current prices, and stores would be forced to reduce prices until the cards started selling. It's true that fetchlands are "boring", but these days everybody knows that a solid manabase is critical to deck construction, and the dual lands in a set (be they fetches, shocks, battle lands, bicycles, or peek lands) are usually among the most consistent pickups.
SHOULD fetches be sub-$20? Well, that'd be nice to get more players into Modern. WILL they be sub-$20? If WOTC chooses to go back to the well for 3 more Masters sets, then fetchland prices will go down significantly. I don't see that happening - I think that they'll space it out a bit. They're definitely going to be reprinted - they sell Masters sets, and that makes good money for WOTC. But if they reprint fetches too frequently, then they'll cease to be a selling point.
Plus, a "fetchless format"? This is coming from the company that constantly prints Evolving Wilds, which if the primary complaint of fetches mechanically is the shuffling of ones deck, do exactly the same thing. In fact, if we start going into green players are shuffling decks quite a bit if they do search cards for land such as Rampant Growth.
Yeah, neither of those cards is exactly tearing up tables in Modern, or even Standard. Several people at WOTC have come out and said that the time delay involved in the constant shuffling is not something that they want, and while you're right in that cards that search libraries will always be printed, if they aren't pushed then players won't include them. And since those two examples only fetch basics (and fetch them tapped), they take away a lot of the power of the "real" fetches.
Again, it's only my theory - WOTC has been pretty silent on the Frontier ... front. But given all the kvetching that they've been doing about shuffling time, plus the fact that fetches pretty much define Modern as a format (in terms of the near-perfect manabase that they create) leads me to believe that the next format won't include them.
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Personally I have all but ignored all of the hype around the Frontier format. Should wizards ever come out and actually make it a real format, then wonderful, until then, its all one big mass of speculation as to not only what sets will be included in the format, but also what cards may be banned in such a format. So fetches being reprinted I don't really hinge upon any sort of potential frontier format, entirely possible as it may eventually be.
As for the price of fetches and what people are willing to pay for them. Honestly the supply/demand curve being what it is, it is quite likely that there are quite a lot of people that are only willing to pay $20 for fetches and should the price get down to that point, those people would buy them. However in general there tend to be quite a lot of people in various stages of play (formats/casual/otherwise) that have more money and are willing to spend it in order to create the optimum build. Reprinting in standard would have the largest impact by far to bring their price down, but the question is whether wizards wants them back in standard or is happy with them being relegated to modern and older formats for the time being.
As noted as well, modern masters or similar masters sets seems to be something that wizards is going to be doing regularly, which leaves open plenty of room for the fetches to be reprinted again and possibly even more than once over the next few years. This will bring the price down, barring another unforeseen explosion in the size of the player base.
My thoughts on the best time to buy fetches hinge a great deal on when the person looking to do the buying would be needing them for the format or deck they were wanting to use them for. I believe right now is likely a current low point or close to it for fetches with the current modern masters still out there and available so if you plan to use them in the near term, then buying them now would not be a bad idea. To be honest though, the price on scalding tarn still makes me cringe, the others less so, up there sure, but at least within a reasonable mana-base cost structure. If you are just buying to hold for potential future use, then you would have to weigh whether you are willing to eat some future losses from a future reprint and when that reprint might be, versus buying them now at a temporary low point. Thusly, if you are buying them for a deck, buying now is 100% fine, if you are buying them for the purpose of avoiding having to buy them later at a higher price, but don't NEED them immediately, then honestly that's going to have to be up to you.
If you are just buying to hold for potential future use, then you would have to weigh whether you are willing to eat some future losses from a future reprint and when that reprint might be, versus buying them now at a temporary low point. Thusly, if you are buying them for a deck, buying now is 100% fine, if you are buying them for the purpose of avoiding having to buy them later at a higher price, but don't NEED them immediately, then honestly that's going to have to be up to you.
Well put (as always), Jeff.
So, OP - we've hashed this around a bit. Care to tell us more about your intended use of these fetches?
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These are current prices:
Marsh Flats $21
Arid Mesa $24
Misty Rainforest $25
Verdant Catacombs $27
Scalding Tarn $46
Any advice? Should I buy now or wait?
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Now is a pretty decent time to get in to enemy fetches. Supply is still pretty high, since MM3 is still on shelves, and the initial wave of buyers determined to get in at a good price is past. So, I'd buy in now if you want enemy fetches to use.
If you want them as an investment, then buy now but I'd caution you to flip them this winter. They're definitely not a long-term hold unless they're going in a deck. WOTC is really cranking up the reprint machine, and they'll definitely get another reprint in the next couple years.
This is extremely risky advice, and I would debate the portion of your text I bolded, as they could very easily be in Iconic Masters. Seeing as that Iconic Masters will be spoiled (at least partially) at HasCon September 8-10, we only need to wait 2 1/2 months to know if they're being reprinted.
Prices for Fetches dropped by 32% on the whole with the reprint. I followed the market for these closely and that is based on the fact exactly one copy of each Fetch from the Zen set cost a total of $242 on the day they were announced as a reprint (I was on TCG within mins. of the announcement so was able to price them before any market adjustments were made; Tarn was $65, Verdant $62, Mesa $40, Misty $42, Marsh Flats $33)) and today one copy of each of the reprints is only $166 (Tarn is $47, Verdant is $42, Mesa is $24, Misty is $28, and Marsh Flats is $25).
Another reprint could cause those prices to drop by another one-third, just as they did the first time. This is why, personally, I'm holding off on buying any Fetches until we know what Iconic Masters brings, I'm keeping my fingers crossed for another reprint. Of course that could possibly backfire as a FAILURE to reprint them in IM could cause a knee-jerk uptick in price, at which point we're again playing the waiting game to find out what Masters 25 brings us mid-March 2018. I would be very surprised if they weren't reprinted in at least one of those sets. Personally I'm willing to wait until September, and make my decision then. If they aren't reprinted in IM, and the prices don't jump, I'll be making my purchase then bc March is too long to wait, even if I do believe a reprint is coming.
BTW, I have no idea where the OP is claiming to see $27 Verdant's because I went to MTGPrice.com, the website he referenced, and they are $38 there. I'm assuming that's a typo and he meant $37, but if not, then yes, he should def be buying those up.
What I'm hoping for is that they reprint the fetchlands in standard set, which should be possible once they get away from the basic land types being attached to lands. Right now they can't really do it because the synergy with the BFZ and even the slower Cycling lands would be too much. I've badly wanted the enemy fetches for a long time and have a playset of all the allied ones (which I highly recommend getting right now).
1. (Ravnica Allegiance): You can't keep a good esper control deck down... Or Wilderness Reclamation... or Gates...
2. (War of the Spark): Guys, I know what we need! We need a cycle of really idiotic flavor text victory cards! Jace's Triumph...
3. (War of the Spark): Lets make the format with control have even more control!
Yeah, don't get your hopes up.
Not only is WOTC getting more aggressive with adding basic types to lands, but putting the enemy fetches in MM3 indicates that they're trying to keep fetches out of Standard. My personal theory is that Frontier, or Postmodern (or whatever the next new format is) will be a fetch-less format, to help differentiate it from fetch-heavy Modern - and that means that if WOTC is even considering the idea, they'll hold off on fetches. WOTC will continue to put fetches in Masters sets because they'll sell whatever set they're in, but it's just too much to hope for a Standard-legal printing.
Enemy fetches are at a decent price right now, and while they may be reprinted in the next few Masters sets, there are enough people like you who have badly wanted them for a long time that the price won't take too much of a hit unless they're in EVERY Masters product for several years.
Besides, the longer you wait, the less time you'll have to actually play with them. That counts for something.
The last statement I tend to disagree with completely. That assumption is basically saying modern is going to die along with legacy if a new format were to come around and that will basically never happen, as we have formats going such as the 93 format and vintage still here. Fetches need to be printed to a level that gets their prices at least in the 20 usd range. That is where most players tend to cap their costs on these kinds of cards, as they basically just serve a function in the game rather than provide feel of play.
Plus, a "fetchless format"? This is coming from the company that constantly prints Evolving Wilds, which if the primary complaint of fetches mechanically is the shuffling of ones deck, do exactly the same thing. In fact, if we start going into green players are shuffling decks quite a bit if they do search cards for land such as Rampant Growth.
I do think they are going to hit the reset button eventually because they can't really maintain the entire library of magic cards they are developing and producing at any reasonable rate. They are hitting logistical limitations and there's evidence that they are sending print runs to newer facilities, which is part of the reason we are seeing the leaks. The real question is if they will make the "right" choice on what cards should be in the new format and what it will mean for people playing pre-existing formats.
1. (Ravnica Allegiance): You can't keep a good esper control deck down... Or Wilderness Reclamation... or Gates...
2. (War of the Spark): Guys, I know what we need! We need a cycle of really idiotic flavor text victory cards! Jace's Triumph...
3. (War of the Spark): Lets make the format with control have even more control!
Oh no, you misunderstand me. I'm definitely not saying that WOTC has plans to shut off Modern. All I'm saying is that if I buy a card in January, I can play with it for 6 months longer than if I bought it in July. It's not more time at the end of the card's legal life, it's more time up front. This is something that people bring up all the time when answering the "when to buy" question, because as much as it's a financial consideration, MTG is still a game, and being able to sleeve up your deck in January instead of July does have its own merits.
I'm going to disagree on this one - fetches are as expensive as they are because people cap their costs at the current cost of fetches. If players capped their costs at $20, nobody would buy fetches at current prices, and stores would be forced to reduce prices until the cards started selling. It's true that fetchlands are "boring", but these days everybody knows that a solid manabase is critical to deck construction, and the dual lands in a set (be they fetches, shocks, battle lands, bicycles, or peek lands) are usually among the most consistent pickups.
SHOULD fetches be sub-$20? Well, that'd be nice to get more players into Modern. WILL they be sub-$20? If WOTC chooses to go back to the well for 3 more Masters sets, then fetchland prices will go down significantly. I don't see that happening - I think that they'll space it out a bit. They're definitely going to be reprinted - they sell Masters sets, and that makes good money for WOTC. But if they reprint fetches too frequently, then they'll cease to be a selling point.
Yeah, neither of those cards is exactly tearing up tables in Modern, or even Standard. Several people at WOTC have come out and said that the time delay involved in the constant shuffling is not something that they want, and while you're right in that cards that search libraries will always be printed, if they aren't pushed then players won't include them. And since those two examples only fetch basics (and fetch them tapped), they take away a lot of the power of the "real" fetches.
Again, it's only my theory - WOTC has been pretty silent on the Frontier ... front. But given all the kvetching that they've been doing about shuffling time, plus the fact that fetches pretty much define Modern as a format (in terms of the near-perfect manabase that they create) leads me to believe that the next format won't include them.
As for the price of fetches and what people are willing to pay for them. Honestly the supply/demand curve being what it is, it is quite likely that there are quite a lot of people that are only willing to pay $20 for fetches and should the price get down to that point, those people would buy them. However in general there tend to be quite a lot of people in various stages of play (formats/casual/otherwise) that have more money and are willing to spend it in order to create the optimum build. Reprinting in standard would have the largest impact by far to bring their price down, but the question is whether wizards wants them back in standard or is happy with them being relegated to modern and older formats for the time being.
As noted as well, modern masters or similar masters sets seems to be something that wizards is going to be doing regularly, which leaves open plenty of room for the fetches to be reprinted again and possibly even more than once over the next few years. This will bring the price down, barring another unforeseen explosion in the size of the player base.
My thoughts on the best time to buy fetches hinge a great deal on when the person looking to do the buying would be needing them for the format or deck they were wanting to use them for. I believe right now is likely a current low point or close to it for fetches with the current modern masters still out there and available so if you plan to use them in the near term, then buying them now would not be a bad idea. To be honest though, the price on scalding tarn still makes me cringe, the others less so, up there sure, but at least within a reasonable mana-base cost structure. If you are just buying to hold for potential future use, then you would have to weigh whether you are willing to eat some future losses from a future reprint and when that reprint might be, versus buying them now at a temporary low point. Thusly, if you are buying them for a deck, buying now is 100% fine, if you are buying them for the purpose of avoiding having to buy them later at a higher price, but don't NEED them immediately, then honestly that's going to have to be up to you.
Well put (as always), Jeff.
So, OP - we've hashed this around a bit. Care to tell us more about your intended use of these fetches?