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I know that we haven't seen the full spoiler yet but until now MM2017 seems like a hit. Considering that I missed the 170-180 usd pre-order train and the rumor or enormous print run, do you think that box price will be less than 200 after a month or more? Can MM2017 pull a 2nd print run EMA effect?
Of course this thread will be more relevant when the full list is revealed, but I though thought I'd ask now
Word from the financeguys has it that they've printed so much of this that prices should be under 200 once the initial hype has worn off. If you're trying to get a box for yourself and are price conscious you might want to hold off on buying for a little while. This might change if there are many more money reprints at uncommon or rare instead of at mythic; we're only about 1/3 of the way through spoilers and my bar napkin math says we're approaching MSRP in terms of EV.
Word from the financeguys has it that they've printed so much of this that prices should be under 200 once the initial hype has worn off. If you're trying to get a box for yourself and are price conscious you might want to hold off on buying for a little while. This might change if there are many more money reprints at uncommon or rare instead of at mythic; we're only about 1/3 of the way through spoilers and my bar napkin math says we're approaching MSRP in terms of EV.
My thoughts exactly. Do we know at which point the market is saturated with product? 1 month?
I want to buy a box for the sheer fun of opening boosters but I am in no rush at all.
Word from the financeguys has it that they've printed so much of this that prices should be under 200 once the initial hype has worn off. If you're trying to get a box for yourself and are price conscious you might want to hold off on buying for a little while. This might change if there are many more money reprints at uncommon or rare instead of at mythic; we're only about 1/3 of the way through spoilers and my bar napkin math says we're approaching MSRP in terms of EV.
My thoughts exactly. Do we know at which point the market is saturated with product? 1 month?
I want to buy a box for the sheer fun of opening boosters but I am in no rush at all.
All sets aren't created equal; I'd guess demand for this will be higher than that for say Modern Masters 2015, but perhaps less than that for EMA. In either case, it should not take more than a month or two to reach saturation.
I can get a box at my local gamestore for $215 after taxes. If I'm not in a rush, would it be wiser to wait to buy a box in a while in hopes of a lower price tag?
I was thinking with the rumors of a huge print run you should be able to get them for 200 or so for a bit after release, however with so much more value and good cards compared to EMA and Modern Masters 15 I'm thinking that might not be the case.
I was thinking with the rumors of a huge print run you should be able to get them for 200 or so for a bit after release, however with so much more value and good cards compared to EMA and Modern Masters 15 I'm thinking that might not be the case.
Given the fact that there is demand for all those high profile reprints, the EV of the box is deemed to fall during the first period of product saturation. There is no way Blood moon and friends will keep their current prices.
As with all Modern Masters releases, your best bet is not to crack boxes unless you're stripping them for resale or holding them for a year. If you want cards to play with, ignore the high-profile chase Mythics and hunt the secondary market for the other reprints during the weeks after release. The prices for those other cards will be nuked, cut in half or better, and that's what you want to be going after.
As with all Modern Masters releases, your best bet is not to crack boxes unless you're stripping them for resale or holding them for a year. If you want cards to play with, ignore the high-profile chase Mythics and hunt the secondary market for the other reprints during the weeks after release. The prices for those other cards will be nuked, cut in half or better, and that's what you want to be going after.
I want to buy one(?) box for the lottery and for the sheer fun of cracking boosters. I am aware that the odds are against me My question is how long until the box price falls below MSRP given the high demand and increased(?) supply
Was looking online, looks like ebay still has the cheapest box/case prices at right around $230 per box on the lower end, with straight msrp being what they can be commonly purchased at otherwise.
Normally I have enjoyed doing the EV for sets like these just because of all the interesting cards involved and because I just generally enjoyed doing the math for such things and because it was beneficial to the community here. However I noticed that mtggoldfish seems to have that covered and in just as thorough of a manner, so with that said, I snagged this link from the rumor mill area, and figured it would be rather relevant as to the overall average box valuation for the set:
Basically the overall average box value as covered in the article comes out at a fairly strong $220/box. Of course the trouble is, the current going rate for said boxes is more than the $220, which I suppose is common enough for post-spoiler pre-order release hype for a set like this. With any luck there will be enough supply out there to help bring that $230 box price down a bit. Basically I look at this set, and figure that $200 for a box is very reasonable and would grab a box at such a rate, especially for drafting purposes with friends. Above $200 and it just depends on your use for the set. And just keep in mind as well that the $220 box overall average value from the article is based upon currently going rates and many singles could and likely will drop further once the set is released and you have a ton of supply from regular people opening boxes flooding the market in addition to the normal pre-order supply that is currently available now. A lot of the mid-range value cards have already crashed hard when looking at the lists provided versus what they were going for prior to the previews starting. A lot of the long-term value for the set will hinge upon the higher end more in-demand tournament and otherwise staples for the set, so for the long-term I suppose we will see how things will shape out. Which is why I figure $200 would be fair keeping that in mind, though finding that could be difficult for the time being at least.
Was looking online, looks like ebay still has the cheapest box/case prices at right around $230 per box on the lower end, with straight msrp being what they can be commonly purchased at otherwise.
Normally I have enjoyed doing the EV for sets like these just because of all the interesting cards involved and because I just generally enjoyed doing the math for such things and because it was beneficial to the community here. However I noticed that mtggoldfish seems to have that covered and in just as thorough of a manner, so with that said, I snagged this link from the rumor mill area, and figured it would be rather relevant as to the overall average box valuation for the set:
Basically the overall average box value as covered in the article comes out at a fairly strong $220/box. Of course the trouble is, the current going rate for said boxes is more than the $220, which I suppose is common enough for post-spoiler pre-order release hype for a set like this. With any luck there will be enough supply out there to help bring that $230 box price down a bit. Basically I look at this set, and figure that $200 for a box is very reasonable and would grab a box at such a rate, especially for drafting purposes with friends. Above $200 and it just depends on your use for the set. And just keep in mind as well that the $220 box overall average value from the article is based upon currently going rates and many singles could and likely will drop further once the set is released and you have a ton of supply from regular people opening boxes flooding the market in addition to the normal pre-order supply that is currently available now. A lot of the mid-range value cards have already crashed hard when looking at the lists provided versus what they were going for prior to the previews starting. A lot of the long-term value for the set will hinge upon the higher end more in-demand tournament and otherwise staples for the set, so for the long-term I suppose we will see how things will shape out. Which is why I figure $200 would be fair keeping that in mind, though finding that could be difficult for the time being at least.
Excellent analysis, I believe that by the 10th of April the box price / EV will have been shifted downwards.
Just did a quick checking on ebay with it being release day and all, and saw a ton of individual box listings (as low as $200/box shipped), 2-box lots for $400 shipped, and 4-box cases as low as $190/box shipped. Will be interesting to see how low the price will go. As for the EV, the initial flood of singles into the ebay marketplace is definitely putting added downward pressure on many of the cards from the set, Given that we were at an EV previously as mentioned a couple of posts ago of $220/box on overall average, I wouldn't be surprised to find it having dipped closer to $200 by this point as the singles are flooding the market from individual sellers.
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I know that we haven't seen the full spoiler yet but until now MM2017 seems like a hit. Considering that I missed the 170-180 usd pre-order train and the rumor or enormous print run, do you think that box price will be less than 200 after a month or more? Can MM2017 pull a 2nd print run EMA effect?
Of course this thread will be more relevant when the full list is revealed, but I though thought I'd ask now
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My thoughts exactly. Do we know at which point the market is saturated with product? 1 month?
I want to buy a box for the sheer fun of opening boosters but I am in no rush at all.
Marath, Will of the Wild
Friendly Kess Twin Combo
Tatyova - Sir Bounce A Lot
Gonti's Luxury Pie
Prime (Eldrazi) Speaker Zegana (Retired)
All sets aren't created equal; I'd guess demand for this will be higher than that for say Modern Masters 2015, but perhaps less than that for EMA. In either case, it should not take more than a month or two to reach saturation.
I can get a box at my local gamestore for $215 after taxes. If I'm not in a rush, would it be wiser to wait to buy a box in a while in hopes of a lower price tag?
Given the fact that there is demand for all those high profile reprints, the EV of the box is deemed to fall during the first period of product saturation. There is no way Blood moon and friends will keep their current prices.
Marath, Will of the Wild
Friendly Kess Twin Combo
Tatyova - Sir Bounce A Lot
Gonti's Luxury Pie
Prime (Eldrazi) Speaker Zegana (Retired)
I want to buy one(?) box for the lottery and for the sheer fun of cracking boosters. I am aware that the odds are against me My question is how long until the box price falls below MSRP given the high demand and increased(?) supply
Marath, Will of the Wild
Friendly Kess Twin Combo
Tatyova - Sir Bounce A Lot
Gonti's Luxury Pie
Prime (Eldrazi) Speaker Zegana (Retired)
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yes, but boxes never sell for MSRP
Standard legal sets have 36 boosters and packs retail for $3.99, so that MSRP would be $144 and you can usually get them for around $100
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Marath, Will of the Wild
Friendly Kess Twin Combo
Tatyova - Sir Bounce A Lot
Gonti's Luxury Pie
Prime (Eldrazi) Speaker Zegana (Retired)
Normally I have enjoyed doing the EV for sets like these just because of all the interesting cards involved and because I just generally enjoyed doing the math for such things and because it was beneficial to the community here. However I noticed that mtggoldfish seems to have that covered and in just as thorough of a manner, so with that said, I snagged this link from the rumor mill area, and figured it would be rather relevant as to the overall average box valuation for the set:
https://www.mtggoldfish.com/articles/the-expected-value-of-modern-masters-2017
Basically the overall average box value as covered in the article comes out at a fairly strong $220/box. Of course the trouble is, the current going rate for said boxes is more than the $220, which I suppose is common enough for post-spoiler pre-order release hype for a set like this. With any luck there will be enough supply out there to help bring that $230 box price down a bit. Basically I look at this set, and figure that $200 for a box is very reasonable and would grab a box at such a rate, especially for drafting purposes with friends. Above $200 and it just depends on your use for the set. And just keep in mind as well that the $220 box overall average value from the article is based upon currently going rates and many singles could and likely will drop further once the set is released and you have a ton of supply from regular people opening boxes flooding the market in addition to the normal pre-order supply that is currently available now. A lot of the mid-range value cards have already crashed hard when looking at the lists provided versus what they were going for prior to the previews starting. A lot of the long-term value for the set will hinge upon the higher end more in-demand tournament and otherwise staples for the set, so for the long-term I suppose we will see how things will shape out. Which is why I figure $200 would be fair keeping that in mind, though finding that could be difficult for the time being at least.
Excellent analysis, I believe that by the 10th of April the box price / EV will have been shifted downwards.
Marath, Will of the Wild
Friendly Kess Twin Combo
Tatyova - Sir Bounce A Lot
Gonti's Luxury Pie
Prime (Eldrazi) Speaker Zegana (Retired)