Battle Screech is an Uncommons from Judgment that hasn't been played in any format but Pauper since it was down-printed in Vintage Masters on MTGO. With the recent banning of Cloud of Faeries it makes sense that some Soul Sisters and White Token decks got a lot more powerful. It was mentioned by someone on QS that it might be played more.
I've seen a lot of commons that make up the backbones of Pauper decks go up a lot over the last year, but I've credited that to the "real formats" using cards like Slippery Bogle, Delver of Secrets, Burn, Gitaxian Probe, etc.
So, nobody plays paper pauper. Right? I know there's been more buzz locally between Portland and Seattle about the format, but it's really not a factor at all... is it?
I intend to, building a MBC paper pauper now and will be making some more once I locate all my old cards. Also, there are pauper decks being sold on ebay, so somebody is buying them. And there is quite a bit of paper pauper discussion on YouTube. Paper Pauper, I think it will only grow in popularity as it is a fun and competitive alternative to sinking hundreds into a single deck. For $100, you can make 3-6 competitive paper pauper decks and have a blast.
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I intend to, building a MBC paper pauper now and will be making some more once I locate all my old cards. Also, there are pauper decks being sold on ebay, so somebody is buying them. And there is quite a bit of paper pauper discussion on YouTube. Paper Pauper, I think it will only grow in popularity as it is a fun and competitive alternative to sinking hundreds into a single deck. For $100, you can make 3-6 competitive paper pauper decks and have a blast.
Oh I know the upsides of pauper (See my sig for more!), but I sort of assumed that it was just me. The Card Kingdom tournaments seem to be really popular up north in Seattle, and I've heard a lot of chatter down here as well. The decks aren't nearly as cheap as they were when I first started building them with so many Pauper staples being Modern staples (RUG Tron was $15 when I picked it up and now it's nearly $60).
Stupid cards like Oubliette look like good investments just because MBC is a great deck, the card is impossible to find, and even at $12e I can't see them going down without a reprint that would feel totally off-pie these days.
Speaking of MBC, Chainer's Edict has gone WAY up this month and from what I can tell it's only used in Pauper.
Chainer's Edict is used in a few pauper decks. Great card as it comes back late game. I've had it played against me in decks from Elves to Tron. If you can splash it usually gets a spot in the 75. I believe it's a staple in MBC now and also UB Delver.
I can see pauper having some impact on card prices (paper and MTGO) as casual MTG is still one of the most popular formats out there. Obviously it will never have the impact that standard or modern have, but I'm positive you can find cards that have gone up in value due to pauper. Hell, Nettle Sentinel is 3.5 tix online, and over $2 (median price) for cardboard.
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Chainer's Edict is used in a few pauper decks. Great card as it comes back late game. I've had it played against me in decks from Elves to Tron. If you can splash it usually gets a spot in the 75. I believe it's a staple in MBC now and also UB Delver.
I can see pauper having some impact on card prices (paper and MTGO) as casual MTG is still one of the most popular formats out there. Obviously it will never have the impact that standard or modern have, but I'm positive you can find cards that have gone up in value due to pauper. Hell, Nettle Sentinel is 3.5 tix online, and over $2 (median price) for cardboard.
Nettle Sentinel sees play in legacy and modern too, which probably has more impact than pauper. I can't imagine anything other than pauper is driving the price on Battle Screech or Chainer's Edict, so that's a pretty clear indicator that pauper has some effect.
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I was against Grenade being banned. Now that Cloud is, it's s bit easier to swallow. I pretty much agree with the ban list, albeit it being so short. As much as other's will disagree, I believe Gray Merchant belongs on that list. He is too powerful for the format IMO, and I would't be surprised if his (online) price keeps trending upwards.
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Goblin Grenade isn't banned intentionally - it's only not legal because its only common printing (Fallen Empires) isn't on MTGO, and Pauper uses MTGO instead of paper Magic for its card list.
Pauper does influence prices. It's part of the reason that Oubliette is $15 as a common. We have just started doing Pauper paper events at my LGS again, but the tournament is "casual," so it only gives 1 point total. We used to have them for Game Night SCG for the regular amount of PW points.
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I started buying pauper cards about ~3 years ago and have noticed many of the staples and pauper-only cards shoot up in price. It used to be rare for a card to be over a dollar. Now there are a bunch that go for more than double that. Reprint my commons, Wizards!
I started buying pauper cards about ~3 years ago and have noticed many of the staples and pauper-only cards shoot up in price. It used to be rare for a card to be over a dollar. Now there are a bunch that go for more than double that. Reprint my commons, Wizards!
A lot of those cards are expensive for other reasons, not just pauper. Chain Lightning? Brainstorm? Ancient Stirrings? Relic of Progenitus? Those are Legacy/Modern staples.
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I'd never seen non-online pauper until the past few months where I've seen it at multiple SoCal LGSs.
I think it could be becoming a thing, especially as other format prices rise (Modern, Standard).
That's my thought too. Imagine a player sitting down to create a shopping list for MTG.
() I can afford to play.
() The cards don't rotate out every 12 months.
() The format is powerful enough and varied enough to keep my interest.
EDH has been the king of casual for almost a decade, but the cost has gone so far up that new players can't afford to optimize their decks without dumping hundred of dollars into them. Yes, I know EDH is still cheaper than Vintage and Legacy, but a well made 3 color EDH deck will compete for wallet space with a well made Modern deck and trounce Standard. But when you take some guy/girl who wants to compete even a little, it's really hard to do on a normal budget. The days of trading away a Maze of Ith for half an EDH deck loaded with staples are dead.
Related to that, I know a ton of EDH players out here who want variety in their game and get tired of slogging along with 2 hour games, and the cheapest fast format to get into it Pauper.
I'd never seen non-online pauper until the past few months where I've seen it at multiple SoCal LGSs.
I think it could be becoming a thing, especially as other format prices rise (Modern, Standard).
That's my thought too. Imagine a player sitting down to create a shopping list for MTG.
() I can afford to play.
() The cards don't rotate out every 12 months.
() The format is powerful enough and varied enough to keep my interest.
EDH has been the king of casual for almost a decade, but the cost has gone so far up that new players can't afford to optimize their decks without dumping hundred of dollars into them. Yes, I know EDH is still cheaper than Vintage and Legacy, but a well made 3 color EDH deck will compete for wallet space with a well made Modern deck and trounce Standard. But when you take some guy/girl who wants to compete even a little, it's really hard to do on a normal budget. The days of trading away a Maze of Ith for half an EDH deck loaded with staples are dead.
Related to that, I know a ton of EDH players out here who want variety in their game and get tired of slogging along with 2 hour games, and the cheapest fast format to get into it Pauper.
Pauper also appeals to the competitive crowd. I'm building a pauper list, and I never play EDH or Tiny Leaders or other casual formats. I have multiple tier 1 decks for Legacy and Modern, and pauper still appeals to me, because it's a fun format.
It's a non-rotating lower power level format, almost like a non-rotating standard, AND it's inexpensive for all the decks. I was able to pick up most of pauper affinity and mono-black on Pucatrade for a song (even Oubliette's only cost as much as a standard playable mythic or rare), and I could probably build Mono-U and the delver variants with cards I already own.
I think the "rare" cards have an opportunity to go up. At sub $50 for whole decks, there will be lots of interest if people start playing.
Burn is about $100 and that's pretty much the top of the price pack. Tron is over $50 and a few sit right around $50, but that's it for competitive decks. I think my most expensive deck ($100+) is some horse***** 1-land Spy combo deck that's fun to play but terrible against most match-ups. For $100 I think you could get yourself the best aggro, control, and midrange decks as a format starter pack and get a lot more out of those than a new release box of garbage filled landfill fodder.
And while the budget is my focus in this thread because I've been watching the value of my Pauper collection go up up up, you are right... it's just a fun format.
(I don't own an Oubliette and can't really see how it's that good. But oh well)
Burn is about $100 and that's pretty much the top of the price pack. Tron is over $50 and a few sit right around $50, but that's it for competitive decks. I think my most expensive deck ($100+) is some horse***** 1-land Spy combo deck that's fun to play but terrible against most match-ups. For $100 I think you could get yourself the best aggro, control, and midrange decks as a format starter pack and get a lot more out of those than a new release box of garbage filled landfill fodder.
And while the budget is my focus in this thread because I've been watching the value of my Pauper collection go up up up, you are right... it's just a fun format.
(I don't own an Oubliette and can't really see how it's that good. But oh well)
Oubliette is just an O-Ring for mono black. Nothing more, but it's a very unique effect from the smallest expansion in magic.
I think it's one of the cards likely to keep going up---I would be interested in what other commons people think have a chance to move further upward.
(I don't own an Oubliette and can't really see how it's that good. But oh well)
Oubliette is just an O-Ring for mono black. Nothing more, but it's a very unique effect from the smallest expansion in magic.
Black has a bajillion removal spells it can use. The reason this one wins out over the others is that none of the others provide two black mana symbols for Gray Merchant.
I think it's one of the cards likely to keep going up---I would be interested in what other commons people think have a chance to move further upward.
I've been thinking about this since you asked, but the idea of offering up investment advice about a casual budget format is tough - the cards that are worth something aside from Chainer's Edict and Battle Screech seem to be in demand because of other formats. And these two, I'm not even sure why they went up. There are a few cards that I could see getting more popular that are relevant in Pauper are....
TRON pieces. The deck got better with Cloud of Faeries gone, but Modern seems to be pushing on these because of the Splinter Twin ban too.
Wrench Kor Skyfisher - This is the Engine of choice in Pauper and is showing up in a lot of different archetypes. Mulldrifter - Reprinted already and still worth something. Every single player who walked into Pauper will need at least one set. Firebolt - Lightning Bolt was the standard red burn spell for a long time and really still is. But, Flame Slash and Firebolt have been showing up in a lot more decks. Firebolt's 2 damage is enough to kill most threats in the format and being able to flashback is no joke even at 5 mana. These are relatively rare too since it's 15 years old and never reprinted. Evincar's Justice - This is a total long shot, but it's a really old card and the reprint isn't out there too much in trade binders. It was super fringe before last year, but slower UB Angler decks seem to be a lot more viable and Tron makes the BB necessary to cast and reuse the card pretty easily. Pyroblast/Hydroblast - They are already worth more than one might think and it's not like they are going to put them in Standard. 1 mana instant speed answers to the two most powerful colors.... I have 20-24 of each and they are all decked. Ichor Wellspring - Moving from $.15 isn't hard, but it goes will in Skyfisher decks as well as Affinity. It's a stupid enough effect with a niche enough name that it won't get Standard reprinted any time soon.
Artifact lands - They are already run in Affinity, but Jeskai Kuldotha wants 2 sets too. They are casual favorites outside of Pauper too.
Pauper was once a thing where I live and they had a shop that have pauper tournaments on Sundays. This doesn't happen anymore.
I have pauper a deck and recently went through all my cards to get what I have for pauper decks. I will now be buying the rest to complete several pauper decks. My logic being, I don't go to the shops anymore to play modern and don't have much interest in playing in GP's or SCG Opens anymore. I'm selling my modern decks slowly due their price level and the constant threat of reprints. But I still have friends that I play magic with and this is where pauper comes in.
I mean seriously, I put modern Tron together during Innistrad. How can I keep that deck now when I only play modern 1-2 time a month. The deck is worth so much money it is downright foolish to keep it, just to watch an Eye of Ugin, Burnwillows, or Karn reprint. I was pretty butt hurt when Wurmcoil was reprinted. I just don't know if I can go through that again.
So I will focus on Pauper for now. So the power level is similar and I can play with friends.
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I've seen a lot of commons that make up the backbones of Pauper decks go up a lot over the last year, but I've credited that to the "real formats" using cards like Slippery Bogle, Delver of Secrets, Burn, Gitaxian Probe, etc.
So, nobody plays paper pauper. Right? I know there's been more buzz locally between Portland and Seattle about the format, but it's really not a factor at all... is it?
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Oh I know the upsides of pauper (See my sig for more!), but I sort of assumed that it was just me. The Card Kingdom tournaments seem to be really popular up north in Seattle, and I've heard a lot of chatter down here as well. The decks aren't nearly as cheap as they were when I first started building them with so many Pauper staples being Modern staples (RUG Tron was $15 when I picked it up and now it's nearly $60).
Stupid cards like Oubliette look like good investments just because MBC is a great deck, the card is impossible to find, and even at $12e I can't see them going down without a reprint that would feel totally off-pie these days.
Speaking of MBC, Chainer's Edict has gone WAY up this month and from what I can tell it's only used in Pauper.
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I can see pauper having some impact on card prices (paper and MTGO) as casual MTG is still one of the most popular formats out there. Obviously it will never have the impact that standard or modern have, but I'm positive you can find cards that have gone up in value due to pauper. Hell, Nettle Sentinel is 3.5 tix online, and over $2 (median price) for cardboard.
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Most people I know adhere to the MTGO Pauper pool and ban list. The local tournaments do at least.
It keeps things like Hymn, Tide, and Goblin Grenade from seeing play... for better or worse.
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Standard - Mono Red (6-2 and 5-3 in 2 McQ)
Draft - (I wish I had more time for limited...)
Commander -
Norin the Wary, Grimgrin, Adun Oakenshield (taking forever to build)(dead format for me)A lot of those cards are expensive for other reasons, not just pauper. Chain Lightning? Brainstorm? Ancient Stirrings? Relic of Progenitus? Those are Legacy/Modern staples.
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I think it could be becoming a thing, especially as other format prices rise (Modern, Standard).
That's my thought too. Imagine a player sitting down to create a shopping list for MTG.
() I can afford to play.
() The cards don't rotate out every 12 months.
() The format is powerful enough and varied enough to keep my interest.
EDH has been the king of casual for almost a decade, but the cost has gone so far up that new players can't afford to optimize their decks without dumping hundred of dollars into them. Yes, I know EDH is still cheaper than Vintage and Legacy, but a well made 3 color EDH deck will compete for wallet space with a well made Modern deck and trounce Standard. But when you take some guy/girl who wants to compete even a little, it's really hard to do on a normal budget. The days of trading away a Maze of Ith for half an EDH deck loaded with staples are dead.
Related to that, I know a ton of EDH players out here who want variety in their game and get tired of slogging along with 2 hour games, and the cheapest fast format to get into it Pauper.
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Pauper also appeals to the competitive crowd. I'm building a pauper list, and I never play EDH or Tiny Leaders or other casual formats. I have multiple tier 1 decks for Legacy and Modern, and pauper still appeals to me, because it's a fun format.
It's a non-rotating lower power level format, almost like a non-rotating standard, AND it's inexpensive for all the decks. I was able to pick up most of pauper affinity and mono-black on Pucatrade for a song (even Oubliette's only cost as much as a standard playable mythic or rare), and I could probably build Mono-U and the delver variants with cards I already own.
I think the "rare" cards have an opportunity to go up. At sub $50 for whole decks, there will be lots of interest if people start playing.
And while the budget is my focus in this thread because I've been watching the value of my Pauper collection go up up up, you are right... it's just a fun format.
(I don't own an Oubliette and can't really see how it's that good. But oh well)
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Oubliette is just an O-Ring for mono black. Nothing more, but it's a very unique effect from the smallest expansion in magic.
I think it's one of the cards likely to keep going up---I would be interested in what other commons people think have a chance to move further upward.
Black has a bajillion removal spells it can use. The reason this one wins out over the others is that none of the others provide two black mana symbols for Gray Merchant.
I've been thinking about this since you asked, but the idea of offering up investment advice about a casual budget format is tough - the cards that are worth something aside from Chainer's Edict and Battle Screech seem to be in demand because of other formats. And these two, I'm not even sure why they went up. There are a few cards that I could see getting more popular that are relevant in Pauper are....
TRON pieces. The deck got better with Cloud of Faeries gone, but Modern seems to be pushing on these because of the Splinter Twin ban too.
Wrench
Kor Skyfisher - This is the Engine of choice in Pauper and is showing up in a lot of different archetypes.
Mulldrifter - Reprinted already and still worth something. Every single player who walked into Pauper will need at least one set.
Firebolt - Lightning Bolt was the standard red burn spell for a long time and really still is. But, Flame Slash and Firebolt have been showing up in a lot more decks. Firebolt's 2 damage is enough to kill most threats in the format and being able to flashback is no joke even at 5 mana. These are relatively rare too since it's 15 years old and never reprinted.
Evincar's Justice - This is a total long shot, but it's a really old card and the reprint isn't out there too much in trade binders. It was super fringe before last year, but slower UB Angler decks seem to be a lot more viable and Tron makes the BB necessary to cast and reuse the card pretty easily.
Pyroblast/Hydroblast - They are already worth more than one might think and it's not like they are going to put them in Standard. 1 mana instant speed answers to the two most powerful colors.... I have 20-24 of each and they are all decked.
Ichor Wellspring - Moving from $.15 isn't hard, but it goes will in Skyfisher decks as well as Affinity. It's a stupid enough effect with a niche enough name that it won't get Standard reprinted any time soon.
Artifact lands - They are already run in Affinity, but Jeskai Kuldotha wants 2 sets too. They are casual favorites outside of Pauper too.
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I have pauper a deck and recently went through all my cards to get what I have for pauper decks. I will now be buying the rest to complete several pauper decks. My logic being, I don't go to the shops anymore to play modern and don't have much interest in playing in GP's or SCG Opens anymore. I'm selling my modern decks slowly due their price level and the constant threat of reprints. But I still have friends that I play magic with and this is where pauper comes in.
I mean seriously, I put modern Tron together during Innistrad. How can I keep that deck now when I only play modern 1-2 time a month. The deck is worth so much money it is downright foolish to keep it, just to watch an Eye of Ugin, Burnwillows, or Karn reprint. I was pretty butt hurt when Wurmcoil was reprinted. I just don't know if I can go through that again.
So I will focus on Pauper for now. So the power level is similar and I can play with friends.