Anyone here think Eldrazi cards might go up? I know they've been declining recently because of the ban in Modern, but don't they still have potential in Standard?
Avacyn is going nuts. She'll be rivaling JVP for most expensive standard mythic soon. I mean, why not - looking at Standard, white is obviously powerful. Declaration in Stone and Avacyn are going to be showing up in a TON of decks.
Lest we all forget, SOI doesn't have Expeditions and foil full art basics to soak up value like BFZ and OGW.
JVP was also a near-instant, high-number include in Modern and Legacy, right? Avacyn hasn't shown up outside of Standard yet, has she?
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I mean, it's possible. Eldrazi were pushed. But, I think it's a long shot. When you add the Sol lands, Revoker, and Chalice of the Void, Eldrazi is a Legacy-level deck. You get to deploy 1st turn Mimics into second turn disruption (Revoker, Seer, whatever) and then bring the beats.
Since you lose the Sol lands, you no longer get to drop first turn threats worth much in an Eldrazi list. You also delay your disruptive elements until the midgame. That's fine in a slower metagame if your Seer is stripping bombs or removal out of the opponent's hands that would come down on turns 5+, but don't forget that Duress effects get DRAMATICALLY WORSE as pure disruption in the late game. Duress has more targets and is more disruptive to your opponent's plans if you land it in the first few turns.
Since you lose the supplementary disruption like Revoker and Chalice, now you don't have a way to protect yourself from faster decks while you get your beasts online.
If Eldrazi shows up in Standard, it's probably going to be some of the Eldrazi creatures living in other archetypes not specifically built around Eldrazi because they're good value.
Little Kid Abzan in modern probably wants one or two. Other than that, probably not. She's a casual hit too - I don't see her dropping below $15 even after she rotates.
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So, I lucked out and hit a total jackpot, and drew a Russian pack foil Archangel Avacyn!
Any ideas what this card might be worth? I found two sold ones on US eBay, one for $150 and one even for $290!!! The latter seems completely insane... I did not find any Russian or Korean foils on MKM, but one person is offering a Japanese for 210 Euros, but I can't imagine anyone paying so much money for it...
Wow, nice pull!
This is a Standard (nonpimp) and casual (nonpimp) card, as well as potentially EDH (pimp) and angel collector (PIMP) card. I can't actually see it for LESS than 250 Euros. Angel collectors are a real thing, and some of us (not me, unfortunately) have money to burn.
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I think the price also has to do with being a flip card. It is my theory the same thing happened with JVP. Players see that flip cards are much harder to reprint and Wizards/MaRo has even confirmed this. They need to do a special print process which costs extra.
I'm not sure Avacyn is exactly 4 of playable in standard and stretching across all formats but it is early days and it's obviously an instant casual hit. I'd expect $40-$50USD to be about the mark until the Pro Tour and from there it all depends on how many copies are in the top 8 as to what happens next. Most people that have her are probably holding or trying to cash in at the highest dollar value.
I want to know for sure if flip mythics are more or less rare than normal mythics. Seems to be plenty of specualtion about the exact numbers but nothing definitive. Would be happy to be directed to any information regarding this.
you bring up a very good about flip mythics being reprinted...
however with sets such as modern masters and eternal masters??
i think any card can be reprinted in there UNLESS those boxes are focused on draft purposes where flip will be hard to consider to be included in the set
Double-faced cards. For example: Archangel Avacyn//Avacyn, the Purifier. Some people also mistakenly call them flip cards, but that name was already used during Kamigawa for the actual flip cards -- Erayo, Soratami Ascendant. For that reason, Double-Faced is the preferred term.
I want to know for sure if flip mythics are more or less rare than normal mythics. Seems to be plenty of specualtion about the exact numbers but nothing definitive. Would be happy to be directed to any information regarding this.
We know that WotC uses 11 x 11 (121 card) print sheets. Rares appear twice on them, while mythics appear once. (That's why large sets usually have 53 rares and 15 mythics. 53 x 2 + 15 = 121.) This means you will find a particular mythic in 1 out of 121 packs. You will find a particular rare in 1 out of 121 / 2 = 60.5 packs.
For Innistrad, we have a sheet of rare/mythic DFCs containing 3 mythics and 6 rares. Since that is only 9 cards, a lot more than 2 of each rare and 1 of each mythic can be printed on a sheet, but we can assume they wanted to keep that ratio. It works out that 16 of each rare and 8 of each mythic can fit on a sheet with 1 spot left over. 16 x 6 + 8 x 3 = 120. That keeps the 2:1 (16:8) ratio, and we know that WotC probably uses a filler card to take up that extra spot (http://www.magiclibrarities.net/348-rarities-filler-cards-english-cards-index.html).
Now, you may have already noticed that each rare/mythic DFC is printed 8 times more per sheet than regular rare/mythics AND that the rare/mythic DFCs only show up in 1/8 packs. Those numbers are no coincidence. You might already understand the implication, but I'll be explicit. If there are 120 cards on the DFC sheet, and they get distributed every 8 packs, it takes 120 x 8 = 960 packs to distribute 1 sheet. If there are 8 copies of each mythic, then a particular DFC mythic can be found in 1 out of 960 / 8 = 120 packs. If there are 16 copies of each rare, then a particular DFC rare can be found in 1 out of 960 / 16 = 60 packs.
Compare those pack rates to the ones above and you'll see they are nearly the same. (In fact, it is possible that WotC accounts for the filler card to make the rates exactly the same. The article does say "about 1.125." but 1:121 and 1:120 are so close for our purposes that it doesn't matter too much.)
TL;DR: Yes, DFC rares and mythics are equally as rare as regular rares and mythics.
Seasons Past is spiking very hard. As is Dark Petition all thanks to the GB control list Finkel was playing on camera. Watched them spike as he cast them.
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Seasons Past is spiking very hard. As is Dark Petition all thanks to the GB control list Finkel was playing on camera. Watched them spike as he cast them.
It's basically mono-removal. You spend all the early turns killing their guys, then you Dark Petition for Seasons Past and use it to pick up all your removal spells again, including the Petition which you use to find the Past again because it puts itself on the bottom of your library. There was a list posted by an MTGS user about a week ago that spells the deck out in more detail. I don't know exactly how similar it is to Jon Finkel's version, but I assume it's not that far off.
Apparently the Petition/Past deck also hits Nissa's Renewal repeatedly to pull out all the lands and gain back life. It crushes aggro creature decks (Languish etc.), but for the price to remain high it will have to handle control and have a plan for mirrors. I'd suggest selling anything you've got on it now - it is unlikely to remain high if it is just a meta-breaker.
The dreamer in me wants to think they're connected, and that some Uw deck is doing filthy things rebounding an awoken Part the Waterveil with Narset to take so many additional turns. But that deck also gets to nine mana, and while I don't readily play standard, that just feels weird.
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Yeah I saw that, just didn't think that was enough to double the price of it since it didn't happen when he did the Turbo Turns budget deck that was very popular.
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JVP was also a near-instant, high-number include in Modern and Legacy, right? Avacyn hasn't shown up outside of Standard yet, has she?
I mean, it's possible. Eldrazi were pushed. But, I think it's a long shot. When you add the Sol lands, Revoker, and Chalice of the Void, Eldrazi is a Legacy-level deck. You get to deploy 1st turn Mimics into second turn disruption (Revoker, Seer, whatever) and then bring the beats.
Since you lose the Sol lands, you no longer get to drop first turn threats worth much in an Eldrazi list. You also delay your disruptive elements until the midgame. That's fine in a slower metagame if your Seer is stripping bombs or removal out of the opponent's hands that would come down on turns 5+, but don't forget that Duress effects get DRAMATICALLY WORSE as pure disruption in the late game. Duress has more targets and is more disruptive to your opponent's plans if you land it in the first few turns.
Since you lose the supplementary disruption like Revoker and Chalice, now you don't have a way to protect yourself from faster decks while you get your beasts online.
If Eldrazi shows up in Standard, it's probably going to be some of the Eldrazi creatures living in other archetypes not specifically built around Eldrazi because they're good value.
And Vintage. Don't forget about Vintage.
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Wow, nice pull!
This is a Standard (nonpimp) and casual (nonpimp) card, as well as potentially EDH (pimp) and angel collector (PIMP) card. I can't actually see it for LESS than 250 Euros. Angel collectors are a real thing, and some of us (not me, unfortunately) have money to burn.
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I think the price also has to do with being a flip card. It is my theory the same thing happened with JVP. Players see that flip cards are much harder to reprint and Wizards/MaRo has even confirmed this. They need to do a special print process which costs extra.
I'm not sure Avacyn is exactly 4 of playable in standard and stretching across all formats but it is early days and it's obviously an instant casual hit. I'd expect $40-$50USD to be about the mark until the Pro Tour and from there it all depends on how many copies are in the top 8 as to what happens next. Most people that have her are probably holding or trying to cash in at the highest dollar value.
I want to know for sure if flip mythics are more or less rare than normal mythics. Seems to be plenty of specualtion about the exact numbers but nothing definitive. Would be happy to be directed to any information regarding this.
however with sets such as modern masters and eternal masters??
i think any card can be reprinted in there UNLESS those boxes are focused on draft purposes where flip will be hard to consider to be included in the set
thoughts?
Here are the numbers:
Mark Rosewater mentioned there's an average of 1.125 flip cards per pack (http://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/making-magic/chasing-shadows-part-1-2016-03-14). Since we have 1 common/uncommon per pack, that means the rare/mythic cards show up every 8 packs (0.125 * 8 = 1).
We know that WotC uses 11 x 11 (121 card) print sheets. Rares appear twice on them, while mythics appear once. (That's why large sets usually have 53 rares and 15 mythics. 53 x 2 + 15 = 121.) This means you will find a particular mythic in 1 out of 121 packs. You will find a particular rare in 1 out of 121 / 2 = 60.5 packs.
For Innistrad, we have a sheet of rare/mythic DFCs containing 3 mythics and 6 rares. Since that is only 9 cards, a lot more than 2 of each rare and 1 of each mythic can be printed on a sheet, but we can assume they wanted to keep that ratio. It works out that 16 of each rare and 8 of each mythic can fit on a sheet with 1 spot left over. 16 x 6 + 8 x 3 = 120. That keeps the 2:1 (16:8) ratio, and we know that WotC probably uses a filler card to take up that extra spot (http://www.magiclibrarities.net/348-rarities-filler-cards-english-cards-index.html).
Now, you may have already noticed that each rare/mythic DFC is printed 8 times more per sheet than regular rare/mythics AND that the rare/mythic DFCs only show up in 1/8 packs. Those numbers are no coincidence. You might already understand the implication, but I'll be explicit. If there are 120 cards on the DFC sheet, and they get distributed every 8 packs, it takes 120 x 8 = 960 packs to distribute 1 sheet. If there are 8 copies of each mythic, then a particular DFC mythic can be found in 1 out of 960 / 8 = 120 packs. If there are 16 copies of each rare, then a particular DFC rare can be found in 1 out of 960 / 16 = 60 packs.
Compare those pack rates to the ones above and you'll see they are nearly the same. (In fact, it is possible that WotC accounts for the filler card to make the rates exactly the same. The article does say "about 1.125." but 1:121 and 1:120 are so close for our purposes that it doesn't matter too much.)
TL;DR: Yes, DFC rares and mythics are equally as rare as regular rares and mythics.
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Sounds interesting. How does the deck work?
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