it's amazing how the unban of two cards has caused so many seemingly unrelated things to spike. Personally I don't like it. Magic didn't used to be like this. Cards that were actually played and proven would go up. Now anything can go to crazy prices just due to speculation.
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Playing millions of cards every turn... Slowly and systematically obliterating any chance my opponent has of winning... Clicking the multitude of locking mechanisms into place... Not even trying to win myself until turn 10+ once I have nigh absolute control... Watching my opponent desperately trying to navigate the labyrinthine prison that I've constructed... Seeing the light of hope fade and ultimately extinguished in an excruciatingly slow manner... THAT'S fun Magic.
We have 2-3 users that are dramatically making this thread incomprehensible and non-productive for anyone else to possibly join in the discussion. This needs to change.
Every time I see [ktkenshinx] post in here, I get the impression of a stern dad walking in on a bunch of kids trying to do something dumb and just shaking his head in disappointment.
Near Mint: The same as Slightly Played, but we threw some Altoids in the box we stored it in to cover up the scent of dead mice. Slightly Played: The base condition for all MTG cards. This card looks OK, but there’s one minor annoying ding in it that will always irritate and distract you whenever you draw it. Moderately Played: This card looks like it survived the Tet Offensive tucked inside the waistband of GI underwear. It may smell like it, too. Heavily Played: This card looks like the remains of Mohammed Atta’s passport after 9/11. It may be playable if you double-sleeve it to stop the chunks from falling out. The condition formerly known as "Washing Machine Grade" Damaged: This card is the unfortunate victim of a Mirrorweave/March of the Machines/Chaos Confetti/Mindslaver combo.
[M]aking counterfeit cards is the absolute height of dishonesty. Ask yourself this question: Since most people...are totally cool with the use of proxies...what purpose do [high] quality counterfeit cards serve?
You joke, but between Imp's Mischief and Notion Thief, I am only aware of the latter being successfully played anywhere. Notion Thief has seen profitable use in Legacy and Vintage. Has anyone Top 8ed ever with Imp's Mischief?
You joke, but between Imp's Mischief and Notion Thief, I am only aware of the latter being successfully played anywhere. Notion Thief has seen profitable use in Legacy and Vintage. Has anyone Top 8ed ever with Imp's Mischief?
Not recently, no.
But if you can't distinguish between the prevalence of card draw in Legacy or Vintage and Modern, then I don't know what to tell you. You might as well suggest that Spirit of the Labyrinth is also playable in Modern, because it sees some success in Legacy.
The formats are different, and they play differently. Plenty of cards are good in Modern but not in Legacy, and vice versa.
Playing millions of cards every turn... Slowly and systematically obliterating any chance my opponent has of winning... Clicking the multitude of locking mechanisms into place... Not even trying to win myself until turn 10+ once I have nigh absolute control... Watching my opponent desperately trying to navigate the labyrinthine prison that I've constructed... Seeing the light of hope fade and ultimately extinguished in an excruciatingly slow manner... THAT'S fun Magic.
We have 2-3 users that are dramatically making this thread incomprehensible and non-productive for anyone else to possibly join in the discussion. This needs to change.
Every time I see [ktkenshinx] post in here, I get the impression of a stern dad walking in on a bunch of kids trying to do something dumb and just shaking his head in disappointment.
Near Mint: The same as Slightly Played, but we threw some Altoids in the box we stored it in to cover up the scent of dead mice. Slightly Played: The base condition for all MTG cards. This card looks OK, but there’s one minor annoying ding in it that will always irritate and distract you whenever you draw it. Moderately Played: This card looks like it survived the Tet Offensive tucked inside the waistband of GI underwear. It may smell like it, too. Heavily Played: This card looks like the remains of Mohammed Atta’s passport after 9/11. It may be playable if you double-sleeve it to stop the chunks from falling out. The condition formerly known as "Washing Machine Grade" Damaged: This card is the unfortunate victim of a Mirrorweave/March of the Machines/Chaos Confetti/Mindslaver combo.
[M]aking counterfeit cards is the absolute height of dishonesty. Ask yourself this question: Since most people...are totally cool with the use of proxies...what purpose do [high] quality counterfeit cards serve?
Ricochet trap has seen top 8 play. But only because it is a usual go to for Living End SB options and that deck really peaked in Eldrazi Winter causing 5 LE decks to place across the 3x modern GP weekend.
It could see an uptick in play across other decks, paying R to redirect ancestral vision or "counter" most counters in the meta is pretty solid
Asking for a suggestion here.
I've been interested in building a Gifts Ungiven deck for a while now, but didn't really have the money for many cards in that deck, so I durdled on buying the gifts.
Should I buy them now? I hate buying into the hype and it doesn't really seem to me the deck is putting up worthy results (yeah, it's at least appearing in top 30s. That's something more than being a fringe deck nobody played, but really... it's not getting any Tier 1 or even Tier 2 results)
Should I buy now or wait for the hype to stop? I really love the deck, it's probably my favourite in the format, but I'm not ready to shell money for many other cards of that deck right now.
The price will probably fall unless the deck puts up some serious results soon. That is unlikely given overall power level. If you could afford a complete deck, I would say buy it now anyways, seeing as you really want to play with it. But because you can't currently build the whole deck, waiting until the price falls seems better than buying now and not playing.
Do you guys expect the price of Monastery Swiftspear to fall further? I'm surprised at the $3.50 price tag currently on it. Khans of Tarkir seemed to have had a lot of product opened. It seems so hard to believe that an uncommon would stay that high just after rotation.
I was going to order some but I thought they'd be a dollar or so! Guess I'll proxy out and continue to draft Khans of Tarkir.
Well its price isnt because its good in standard. Its because its good, period. Its played in both legacy and modern, so as long as people are running burn or any deck that uses it, I doubt itll go down much if at all
Now. With Eternal Masters coming up anything is fair game and like previously mentioned if gifts doesn't place or do something soon it'll creep back down from here.
im trying to unload my gifts ungiven x4 and snapcaster mage x4 when is a good time to do it?
Two days ago on Gifts. Snapcaster Mage is probably also near a high right now. Someone told me that they were nearly $70?
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Speculate on imp's mischief if you want you could do worse as it was printed in just one VERY underprinted set and is practically the only card in black that does the effect/it's unique. Notion thief isn't worth speculating on since there are millions of him out there and he's more narrow than mischief being 2 colored and notion thief doesn't 2 for 1 by redirecting things like decay, bolt, path, etc. etc. more versatile. Mana cost is also far better at 1B versus 2UB and the 3/1 can die very easily when visions is about to go off the player casting it has 4 open mana to stop your thief with. The reason notion thief see's occasional vintage and legacy play is because of brainstorm effects in JTMS and brainstorm where it becomes 2UB: Draw 3 cards, your opponent puts 2 cards on top of their library/quite often wins the game on the spot. You can't mischief a brainstorm or jace in those formats not to mention misdirection exists and is better than imp's mischief and misdirection see's very little play now in eternal. You can't compare legacy/vintage to modern the formats are quite insanely different in terms of how they tick and what's good. One format has lion's eye diamond and force of will as 4 ofs. The other has bloodbraid elf banned. If that's not drastically different I don't know what is.
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Wheel of Sun and Moon foils and non-foils have evaporated. I had some in my cart recently and when I went to check out they were gone
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What are your thoughts on Supreme Verdict? It hit a low in December and has been slowly creeping ever since. Is a buyout impending?
The amount of RTR printed makes that a pretty poor target for a buyout. Even if someone did try, there are a lot of copies in binders and shop cases. Definitely more than there are of something like Wheel of Sun and Moon.
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On the flip side, Supreme Verdict is the best card in its class, is a staple in a few formats (edged out by Terminus in Legacy but still played there) and will probably rule the roost as the best Wrath of God of choice forever.
Meanwhile people invest in boom-bust meta tech like Imp's Mischief... sheesh.
What are your thoughts on Supreme Verdict? It hit a low in December and has been slowly creeping ever since. Is a buyout impending?
The amount of RTR printed makes that a pretty poor target for a buyout. Even if someone did try, there are a lot of copies in binders and shop cases. Definitely more than there are of something like Wheel of Sun and Moon.
Agreed, I wouldn't buy it out. But I would hold it. It's an EDH and Cube staple, so it's going to climb in the same trajectory as Chromatic Lantern and Cyclonic Rift from the same set.
What are your thoughts on Supreme Verdict? It hit a low in December and has been slowly creeping ever since. Is a buyout impending?
The amount of RTR printed makes that a pretty poor target for a buyout. Even if someone did try, there are a lot of copies in binders and shop cases. Definitely more than there are of something like Wheel of Sun and Moon.
How do you know the amount of RTR printed was so much bigger compared to sets that came after? Are there numbers available somewhere?
There are not numbers available. But he's comparing it to a rare from Shadowmoor - a set from 2008. Return to Ravnica was printed 4.5 years later. It's generally known that the game really ramped up production (and playerbase) about halfway between those sets.
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How do you know the amount of RTR printed was so much bigger compared to sets that came after? Are there numbers available somewhere?
I suspect that there was either less or a roughly equivalent amount of RTR printed compared to sets that came later, but WotC hasn't released print run information for many, many years. Even so, anything printed at rare in the last 5-6 years is a really poor choice for a buyout. It's mostly due to what KnickM mentioned - the increase in the size of the playerbase/production. There are a lot more of any given rare in circulation from sets in the last 5-6 years than there are in sets from 5-6 years before that. Anyone trying to buyout a card has to deal with that on two ends. First, there are more copies available online, so there's a larger initial outlay to get all of the cards to begin with. Second, there are more copies in binders and shop cases, so the price is going to drop a lot faster than something older as people list them to take advantage of the spike. It's not as cost effective to buyout something recent, so there's really no reason to do that until the secondary market gets even more warped than it already is (i.e. all of the good older targets get too expensive to make money on).
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Tell you what - you buy out the Notion Thiefs, and see if anybody gets on board with you.
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But if you can't distinguish between the prevalence of card draw in Legacy or Vintage and Modern, then I don't know what to tell you. You might as well suggest that Spirit of the Labyrinth is also playable in Modern, because it sees some success in Legacy.
The formats are different, and they play differently. Plenty of cards are good in Modern but not in Legacy, and vice versa.
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Or Deflection, Swerve, or Shunt for that matter..
Not sure I see it either.
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Ricochet trap has seen top 8 play. But only because it is a usual go to for Living End SB options and that deck really peaked in Eldrazi Winter causing 5 LE decks to place across the 3x modern GP weekend.
It could see an uptick in play across other decks, paying R to redirect ancestral vision or "counter" most counters in the meta is pretty solid
The price will probably fall unless the deck puts up some serious results soon. That is unlikely given overall power level. If you could afford a complete deck, I would say buy it now anyways, seeing as you really want to play with it. But because you can't currently build the whole deck, waiting until the price falls seems better than buying now and not playing.
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I was going to order some but I thought they'd be a dollar or so! Guess I'll proxy out and continue to draft Khans of Tarkir.
Two days ago on Gifts. Snapcaster Mage is probably also near a high right now. Someone told me that they were nearly $70?
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They went from $5-$6 yesterday to about $40 today on TCGP.
That is CRAZY.
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Meanwhile people invest in boom-bust meta tech like Imp's Mischief... sheesh.
Agreed, I wouldn't buy it out. But I would hold it. It's an EDH and Cube staple, so it's going to climb in the same trajectory as Chromatic Lantern and Cyclonic Rift from the same set.
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There are not numbers available. But he's comparing it to a rare from Shadowmoor - a set from 2008. Return to Ravnica was printed 4.5 years later. It's generally known that the game really ramped up production (and playerbase) about halfway between those sets.
Why did the card spike?
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