I'm with Quacker on this one. It costs 5 and doesn't win you the game, PLUS she has an opponent-controllable boardwipe?
I can see her being played in standard, maybe, but honestly I think that she was created as a pure EDH card. Sure, she flashes in and saves your guys, but without a team, she's just a flashy flier. Resto Angel wouldn't see play without her blinky ability, and she costs 1 less. With a team, either she get flipped and wraths your team, or your team was big enough to survive 3 damage, and what are you doing playing Avacyn?
What about playing this in abzan company? Flash it in, then sac a creature the same turn she comes into play to wrath your opponent's board.
She flips at the beginning of the next upkeep, so you're wrathing your own board as well. Doesn't seem worth it to dilute the number of "hits" you get on Company.
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Just a minor blip, but does anybody know what's suddenly pushing Legion Loyalist?
mtggoldfish's article on budget goblins that plays 4.
Someone shows how it is a viable budget card.
Some players buy. Speculators notice it's a budget option, realize they can jack up the price.
Now it's not a budget option anymore. OOPS.
To be fair, the real version of this deck uses 4x Goblin Guide. And Goblin Chieftain is a $5 card. So I don't think $7 for Legion Loyalist is that bad. Besides, the spunky little guy is one of my favorite cards. He was begging for a goblin deck to be good in.
I think picking up Piledrivers isn't a bad idea either.
I'm with Quacker on this one. It costs 5 and doesn't win you the game, PLUS she has an opponent-controllable boardwipe?
I can see her being played in standard, maybe, but honestly I think that she was created as a pure EDH card. Sure, she flashes in and saves your guys, but without a team, she's just a flashy flier. Resto Angel wouldn't see play without her blinky ability, and she costs 1 less. With a team, either she get flipped and wraths your team, or your team was big enough to survive 3 damage, and what are you doing playing Avacyn?
What about playing this in abzan company? Flash it in, then sac a creature the same turn she comes into play to wrath your opponent's board.
She flips at the beginning of the next upkeep, so you're wrathing your own board as well. Doesn't seem worth it to dilute the number of "hits" you get on Company.
She is good as a cap to a mid-range deck as she can be flashed into play at the opponents end step. She's likely better than she looks.
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Yeah, there was some talk about it a few pages back. It's been slowing going up since Twin was banned. And it might be getting some more interest with the new Investigate mechanic.
Honestly, not sure why Conspiracy was bought out. One thing I did note though, was that Eye of Ugin has dropped to around 1/2 of what it was before, likely thanks in part to speculation of a banning, and also fueled by recent talk that wizards was looking into potential bannings to balance out the deck more for the format.
Honestly, not sure why Conspiracy was bought out. One thing I did note though, was that Eye of Ugin has dropped to around 1/2 of what it was before, likely thanks in part to speculation of a banning, and also fueled by recent talk that wizards was looking into potential bannings to balance out the deck more for the format.
I noticed the price drop on the Eye, too, but I've been saying for awhile that I don't think the Eye is going to get banned. It'll be the Temple instead. Apparently, Seth Manfield agrees with me.
I wonder if the price will rebound once the bans come out and the Eye is safe?
I noticed the price drop on the Eye, too, but I've been saying for awhile that I don't think the Eye is going to get banned. It'll be the Temple instead. Apparently, Seth Manfield agrees with me.
I wonder if the price will rebound once the bans come out and the Eye is safe?
Sam Black seems to think that it will be Eye that gets the axe, because it causes greater variance (chance of multi-Mimic opening hands and chance of multiple Eye draws being dead) and because it is restricted solely to Eldrazi. Temple sticking around opens up the possibility of "splashing" TKS/Smasher into an existing colored shell.
But either way, we're going to see one of the two get banned (if not both, or the remote possibility of multiple Eldrazi creatures going instead), and it's going to hurt Eye's price either way.
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I noticed the price drop on the Eye, too, but I've been saying for awhile that I don't think the Eye is going to get banned. It'll be the Temple instead. Apparently, Seth Manfield agrees with me.
I wonder if the price will rebound once the bans come out and the Eye is safe?
Sam Black seems to think that it will be Eye that gets the axe, because it causes greater variance (chance of multi-Mimic opening hands and chance of multiple Eye draws being dead) and because it is restricted solely to Eldrazi. Temple sticking around opens up the possibility of "splashing" TKS/Smasher into an existing colored shell.
But either way, we're going to see one of the two get banned (if not both, or the remote possibility of multiple Eldrazi creatures going instead), and it's going to hurt Eye's price either way.
I agree with you--Eye seems more degenerate in early turns because it can generate 4+mana on early turns, AND it creates inevitability be being able to search in the late game.
Anyone have any idea what's with the spike on Conspiracy?
I just assumed it was because they spoiled this guy.
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I noticed the price drop on the Eye, too, but I've been saying for awhile that I don't think the Eye is going to get banned. It'll be the Temple instead. Apparently, Seth Manfield agrees with me.
I'm expecting both, tbh, but a lot of folks feel that would just completely kill the deck. Personally, I think that's hyperbole and the deck (ir maybe one of the HALF DOZEN varieties..sheesh) would find ways to stay viable in the T1 or T1.5 ecostyem, something I think Wizards would be just fine with, honestly. It's probably what they intended in the first place.
Secondly, I think they want to take action ONCE and be done with it forever, so I predict they'll be OVER-cautious (just like with Affinity-era bans). Look at it form their p.o.v. They have a major catastrophe on their hands. I believe they would rather turn the corner here by neutering the deck (and then maybe, maaaaaaybe, unban ONE of them down the line) than not go far enough and have another six months of angry players.
Apart from the obvious ones, I would also definitely be unloading any extra SSG's you don't need. That card is *squarely* on their radar now as well--I will be shocked if it's not taken out of the format.
Anyone have any idea what's with the spike on Conspiracy?
I've seen a couple people mention it with Thing in the Ice as a way to make the bounce one sided. Way too cute to have any big impact in competitive circles, but I'm sure there are plenty of casual players who will love it.
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Anyone have any idea what's with the spike on Conspiracy?
I've seen a couple people mention it with Thing in the Ice as a way to make the bounce one sided. Way too cute to have any big impact in competitive circles, but I'm sure there are plenty of casual players who will love it.
Seems like it was inevitable. It's a very unique effect with a lot of combo potential. Next closest thing is Xenograft, which isn't as good and stands as a testament to the fact they probably won't print Conspiracy's effect exactly again.
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Liliana of the Veil has been fluctuating in price for the past 2 weeks. I'm thinking that it's because of the upcoming ban this coming April and B/G/x decks will become playable again.
lol @ $17 Legion Loyalists. What a sad state the Magic secondary market has become.
What's sad about that? It's from one of the *****tier modern Legal sets, one that we all likely bought when it was in standard. It used to be worth $1 and now it's worth $17 after several years of post-standard in which we all had opportunities to buy it. You can still buy boxes of this set for like $60. This is why people buy magic - your worthless card is suddenly worth $17 because someone found a place for it.
And then suddenly at $17, everyones gotta have it and suddenly supply isn't enough. Oh well, should have gotten your copies earlier. We should still be glad that this can happen to post-INN set cards, and it's not just restricted to pre-INN sets.
Legion Loyalist is the 2nd most difficult card to acquire in the budget Goblins Modern deck (after Goblin Guide. Before the spike, if you played it without guide and fetchlands (which don't do much for it) you were paying less than $100 for a deck that could occasionally beat tier one decks. This resulted in a lot of people jumping into it.
Overall, I think the deck is worse than a normal zoo/rdw deck. But the extreme budget nature of the deck has drawn a lot of interest. Now I will probably dig out my Loyalists and dump them on the market, and I expect others to do the same and drive the price back down.
Speccing on cards that have the main drawing point that they are budget seems like a bad idea.
Driving up the price of a untested budget deck will either draw a lot of people to a tier 2 deck or kill the budget nature of a deck that was not all that good anyway. There really is going to be little in the new set to support goblin tribal.
She flips at the beginning of the next upkeep, so you're wrathing your own board as well. Doesn't seem worth it to dilute the number of "hits" you get on Company.
Someone shows how it is a viable budget card.
Some players buy. Speculators notice it's a budget option, realize they can jack up the price.
Now it's not a budget option anymore. OOPS.
To be fair, the real version of this deck uses 4x Goblin Guide. And Goblin Chieftain is a $5 card. So I don't think $7 for Legion Loyalist is that bad. Besides, the spunky little guy is one of my favorite cards. He was begging for a goblin deck to be good in.
I think picking up Piledrivers isn't a bad idea either.
She is good as a cap to a mid-range deck as she can be flashed into play at the opponents end step. She's likely better than she looks.
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I noticed the price drop on the Eye, too, but I've been saying for awhile that I don't think the Eye is going to get banned. It'll be the Temple instead. Apparently, Seth Manfield agrees with me.
I wonder if the price will rebound once the bans come out and the Eye is safe?
Sam Black seems to think that it will be Eye that gets the axe, because it causes greater variance (chance of multi-Mimic opening hands and chance of multiple Eye draws being dead) and because it is restricted solely to Eldrazi. Temple sticking around opens up the possibility of "splashing" TKS/Smasher into an existing colored shell.
But either way, we're going to see one of the two get banned (if not both, or the remote possibility of multiple Eldrazi creatures going instead), and it's going to hurt Eye's price either way.
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I agree with you--Eye seems more degenerate in early turns because it can generate 4+mana on early turns, AND it creates inevitability be being able to search in the late game.
I just assumed it was because they spoiled this guy.
I'm expecting both, tbh, but a lot of folks feel that would just completely kill the deck. Personally, I think that's hyperbole and the deck (ir maybe one of the HALF DOZEN varieties..sheesh) would find ways to stay viable in the T1 or T1.5 ecostyem, something I think Wizards would be just fine with, honestly. It's probably what they intended in the first place.
Secondly, I think they want to take action ONCE and be done with it forever, so I predict they'll be OVER-cautious (just like with Affinity-era bans). Look at it form their p.o.v. They have a major catastrophe on their hands. I believe they would rather turn the corner here by neutering the deck (and then maybe, maaaaaaybe, unban ONE of them down the line) than not go far enough and have another six months of angry players.
Apart from the obvious ones, I would also definitely be unloading any extra SSG's you don't need. That card is *squarely* on their radar now as well--I will be shocked if it's not taken out of the format.
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Seems like it was inevitable. It's a very unique effect with a lot of combo potential. Next closest thing is Xenograft, which isn't as good and stands as a testament to the fact they probably won't print Conspiracy's effect exactly again.
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This recent jump made me remember another card that could see a similar spike before too long... (Seeing as how Xenograft was already mentioned..)
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lol @ $17 Legion Loyalists. What a sad state the Magic secondary market has become.
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What's sad about that? It's from one of the *****tier modern Legal sets, one that we all likely bought when it was in standard. It used to be worth $1 and now it's worth $17 after several years of post-standard in which we all had opportunities to buy it. You can still buy boxes of this set for like $60. This is why people buy magic - your worthless card is suddenly worth $17 because someone found a place for it.
And then suddenly at $17, everyones gotta have it and suddenly supply isn't enough. Oh well, should have gotten your copies earlier. We should still be glad that this can happen to post-INN set cards, and it's not just restricted to pre-INN sets.
Overall, I think the deck is worse than a normal zoo/rdw deck. But the extreme budget nature of the deck has drawn a lot of interest. Now I will probably dig out my Loyalists and dump them on the market, and I expect others to do the same and drive the price back down.
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Driving up the price of a untested budget deck will either draw a lot of people to a tier 2 deck or kill the budget nature of a deck that was not all that good anyway. There really is going to be little in the new set to support goblin tribal.