Mostly that. Kozilek's Return can sweep up some of the random X/1s from the deck as well. I believe with Ancient Stirrings, the RG version plays a more Midrange role with most of the same speed that the other decks have. But this is all theory, as I have actually not played Colorless or RG yet, nor have I played against them. My experience is solely in UR right now.
The main interaction is Worldbreaker triggering Kozilek's Return in the graveyard, doing 5 damage to everything. This would kill everything in the colorless Eldrazi deck, leaving Worldbreaker on the board, not to mention the Worldbreaker probably blowing up Eye/Temple.
People think he's a good anti eldrazi card. At four mana, im skeptical. Still. I've been saying that the Magi were all the kind of card that could easily spike for a long time, now.
I think Magus of the Tabernacle is being used in the boom/bust deck. Knock out their lands, have this dude in play, and it'll be super hard for them to keep any creatures on the board.
Think now is a good time to offload Eye of Ugin? Playing eldrazi right now but it seems like an easy way to get credit towards something like Cavern of souls.
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Is Cavern of Souls something that will go up in value? I pulled one but I'm not sure if I should sell mine or hold onto it.
That entirely depends on whether it's in Eternal Masters or not. I don't think that it's a safe card to hold, long-term. If it's not in the set this year, it'll probably make it into next year's Modern Masters.
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Is Cavern of Souls something that will go up in value? I pulled one but I'm not sure if I should sell mine or hold onto it.
Not only is Cavern not that strong in most standard environments but it wouldn't even get played in quite a few. It could get reprinted almost anywhere at anytime without affecting game balance in the slightest.
It won't be, because $50 dollar cards get placed on the special list where they only show up in places designed to get people to chase backs. But unlike something warping like Snapcaster it could show up anywhere.
Yeah I've been debating waiting a little to see if the price drops on the caverns as I need 4 for one of my decks. Right now 45+ seems a bit high for a tribal specific land.
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2. (War of the Spark): Guys, I know what we need! We need a cycle of really idiotic flavor text victory cards! Jace's Triumph...
3. (War of the Spark): Lets make the format with control have even more control!
Anyone who knows why magus of the tabernacle is getting sold that much on mcm?
I was wondering the same but I think it's mostly due to casual players who don't want to shell 500€ into the real thing.
Unique taxing effect that is thought to be part of the solution deck for the Eldrazi menace that is dominating modern at the moment. I think it was part of the deck that also drove the prices of Flagstones of Trokair and Boom // Bust.
...cards with unique abilities are primed for increases whenever they have a day in the sun. For Modern, all of the Magi (Magusi? Maguses?) are probably doomed to spike sooner or later. Compare them to the old versions of the cards they replicate; with a few particular exceptions, most are unchanged except for being creatures. I picked up playsets of the Magi long ago for exactly this concern.
Among other cards, I think Modern will eventually do horrible things to:
Quest for the Holy Relic, Myr Incubator, Fleshwrither, Promise of Power, Aquire, Kuldotha Forgemanster, Auratouched Mage, and Edge of Autumn.
Basically, if a card lets you cheat at Magic, or wins the game instantly if you do cheat, then it's primed to explode when it can be enabled. If there's ever an easy way to trigger it, Quest is completely busted - it tutors equipment and casts it for free, and equips it for free. With a Sword, that's like paying W to get a tutor effect and 5 mana. Incubator wins on the spot if you have a lot of artifacts in your deck. Fleshwrither cheats on any creature with 4cc that might have a large additional casting cost or condition. Forgemaster and Aquire tutor artifacts into play (this is broken), etc etc.
Holy smokes! Adarkar Wastes just shot through the roof. Traditionally a card that's under $2 just shot over $15 a pop! Despite 6 reprints. U/W Eldrazi is the culprit!
All the old pain lands are shooting up. Problem is they haven't been reprinted since 10th edition.
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There's never been a time in Magic that I've been more happy to have been buying quarter-a-pop cards from various sets for casual decks over the last decade.
Well, thats not true, this price insanity happened last Modern season, too.
Is this actual demand, or just speculator-driven scarcity? There are OODLES of Pain Lands floating around out there. It was reprinted a million times, and most recently in very recent sets!
There's never been a time in Magic that I've been more happy to have been buying quarter-a-pop cards from various sets for casual decks over the last decade.
Well, thats not true, this price insanity happened last Modern season, too.
Is this actual demand, or just speculator-driven scarcity? There are OODLES of Pain Lands floating around out there. It was reprinted a million times, and most recently in very recent sets!
??
Like someone said above, OLD pain lands - Adarkar Wastes hasn't seen a reprinting since 10th edition which ways way, way before the huge player spikes from Innistrad/RtR/etc.
And yes, I'm not touching Cavern/Snapcaster/etc. until Eternal Masters is spoiled. Heck with WotC being pressured by Hasbro because the player base (revenue) didn't grow much last year, Conspiracy 2/etc. could also bring on many much needed Modern reprints.
It's an instant speed 5/5 trampler for 4. Wtf do you people want seriously? It has applications in populate/ above the curve beats decks, or in Bant control/ flash. I seriously think anyone mad at this card for any reason other than losing an attacker to instant speed wurm, should go home and make their own awesome card game and leave the rest of us alone.
There's never been a time in Magic that I've been more happy to have been buying quarter-a-pop cards from various sets for casual decks over the last decade.
Well, thats not true, this price insanity happened last Modern season, too.
Is this actual demand, or just speculator-driven scarcity? There are OODLES of Pain Lands floating around out there. It was reprinted a million times, and most recently in very recent sets!
Oodles in this case is relative. The trouble with the painlands is this. The allied color painlands haven't been reprinted since 10th edition. They haven't seen print in any of the mass-supplied and demanded sets since m10 and zendikar ushered in the new era of growth for magic player-base and demand. The last LARGE print run for the cards came as rares in Ice Age (yes .... Ice Age), think about that for a moment. All of the other reprints of the card have been in core sets (5th, 6th, 7th, 9th, 10th). Now you might say, wow, that's a lot of printings, how could the price possibly get that high with so many printings?... Well, the problem is, old core sets (before m10) never sold very well. Sure, some might sell better than others, but overall and often with such large set sizes (as was also the case with ice age) the amount of those pain-lands added to the market wasn't nearly as significant as I think some believe.
Outside of that, the issue with pain-lands is that for quite a while all the re-printings, coupled with better options for dual lands (see: original duals, shock-lands, etc.) left them largely without homes outside of standard play, and thus the value languished for quite some time. Now however, people actually have an incentive to use these lands vs. some of the others due to their ability to produce colorless mana along with the colored mana, while also coming into play untapped.
Having been cheap for so long as well, and not having significant tournament demand for so long, they have been something that the casual crowd will often go after to use in addition to other cheap duals when making their casual or EDH etc decks. Thusly a lot of these are likely sitting in people's collections collecting dust from years of not having any significant value. Its not like shops were exactly out there offering much for them. With this latest buyout due to.... I think I saw someone mention another color combo for an Eldrazi deck?... now openly available supply just went poof and with decent demand for the first time in ages, we're seeing a monster spike.
Will the card remain above $10 for any length of time once people realize the price has spiked and they start offloading their pain-lands for possibly as much as 10x what they originally paid for them? I'm kind of doubtful, but we'll have to wait and see.
Long explanation short: Allied pain-lands haven't been reprinted since 10th edition, without a mass non-old-core-set printing (5th, 6th, 7th, 9th, 10th combined probably don't add nearly as much supply as some people may think) since Ice Age (20 years ago....) Going from low demand to suddenly high demand is going to cause a spike, and in this case increased by a buyout only makes the spike (at least temporarily) even larger.
Yep, what we all just said. You want the old/allied pain lands, get them before they dry up.
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The main interaction is Worldbreaker triggering Kozilek's Return in the graveyard, doing 5 damage to everything. This would kill everything in the colorless Eldrazi deck, leaving Worldbreaker on the board, not to mention the Worldbreaker probably blowing up Eye/Temple.
1. (Ravnica Allegiance): You can't keep a good esper control deck down... Or Wilderness Reclamation... or Gates...
2. (War of the Spark): Guys, I know what we need! We need a cycle of really idiotic flavor text victory cards! Jace's Triumph...
3. (War of the Spark): Lets make the format with control have even more control!
Fetches are good, but I hope selling your eyes was worth it. Are you going to get glass eyes now, or just wear sunglasses?
I think now is also the time to cash in your arms and legs if you're getting fetches.
What you did there. I see it.
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You wouldn't have, if you'd sold your Eyes to buy fetches.
That entirely depends on whether it's in Eternal Masters or not. I don't think that it's a safe card to hold, long-term. If it's not in the set this year, it'll probably make it into next year's Modern Masters.
Not only is Cavern not that strong in most standard environments but it wouldn't even get played in quite a few. It could get reprinted almost anywhere at anytime without affecting game balance in the slightest.
It won't be, because $50 dollar cards get placed on the special list where they only show up in places designed to get people to chase backs. But unlike something warping like Snapcaster it could show up anywhere.
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I was wondering the same but I think it's mostly due to casual players who don't want to shell 500€ into the real thing.
1. (Ravnica Allegiance): You can't keep a good esper control deck down... Or Wilderness Reclamation... or Gates...
2. (War of the Spark): Guys, I know what we need! We need a cycle of really idiotic flavor text victory cards! Jace's Triumph...
3. (War of the Spark): Lets make the format with control have even more control!
Unique taxing effect that is thought to be part of the solution deck for the Eldrazi menace that is dominating modern at the moment. I think it was part of the deck that also drove the prices of Flagstones of Trokair and Boom // Bust.
http://www.mtgsalvation.com/forums/market-street/market-street-cafe/597774-rings-of-brighthearth-what?comment=2
...cards with unique abilities are primed for increases whenever they have a day in the sun. For Modern, all of the Magi (Magusi? Maguses?) are probably doomed to spike sooner or later. Compare them to the old versions of the cards they replicate; with a few particular exceptions, most are unchanged except for being creatures. I picked up playsets of the Magi long ago for exactly this concern.
Among other cards, I think Modern will eventually do horrible things to:
Quest for the Holy Relic, Myr Incubator, Fleshwrither, Promise of Power, Aquire, Kuldotha Forgemanster, Auratouched Mage, and Edge of Autumn.
Basically, if a card lets you cheat at Magic, or wins the game instantly if you do cheat, then it's primed to explode when it can be enabled. If there's ever an easy way to trigger it, Quest is completely busted - it tutors equipment and casts it for free, and equips it for free. With a Sword, that's like paying W to get a tutor effect and 5 mana. Incubator wins on the spot if you have a lot of artifacts in your deck. Fleshwrither cheats on any creature with 4cc that might have a large additional casting cost or condition. Forgemaster and Aquire tutor artifacts into play (this is broken), etc etc.
STOP using "dude/bro" as a pejorative or insult. Grow up.
Margaret Thatcher: “The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.”
Benjamin Franklin: "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."
Martin Luther King Jr.: "I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin, but by the content of their character."
Well, thats not true, this price insanity happened last Modern season, too.
Is this actual demand, or just speculator-driven scarcity? There are OODLES of Pain Lands floating around out there. It was reprinted a million times, and most recently in very recent sets!
??
Like someone said above, OLD pain lands - Adarkar Wastes hasn't seen a reprinting since 10th edition which ways way, way before the huge player spikes from Innistrad/RtR/etc.
And yes, I'm not touching Cavern/Snapcaster/etc. until Eternal Masters is spoiled. Heck with WotC being pressured by Hasbro because the player base (revenue) didn't grow much last year, Conspiracy 2/etc. could also bring on many much needed Modern reprints.
Oodles in this case is relative. The trouble with the painlands is this. The allied color painlands haven't been reprinted since 10th edition. They haven't seen print in any of the mass-supplied and demanded sets since m10 and zendikar ushered in the new era of growth for magic player-base and demand. The last LARGE print run for the cards came as rares in Ice Age (yes .... Ice Age), think about that for a moment. All of the other reprints of the card have been in core sets (5th, 6th, 7th, 9th, 10th). Now you might say, wow, that's a lot of printings, how could the price possibly get that high with so many printings?... Well, the problem is, old core sets (before m10) never sold very well. Sure, some might sell better than others, but overall and often with such large set sizes (as was also the case with ice age) the amount of those pain-lands added to the market wasn't nearly as significant as I think some believe.
Outside of that, the issue with pain-lands is that for quite a while all the re-printings, coupled with better options for dual lands (see: original duals, shock-lands, etc.) left them largely without homes outside of standard play, and thus the value languished for quite some time. Now however, people actually have an incentive to use these lands vs. some of the others due to their ability to produce colorless mana along with the colored mana, while also coming into play untapped.
Having been cheap for so long as well, and not having significant tournament demand for so long, they have been something that the casual crowd will often go after to use in addition to other cheap duals when making their casual or EDH etc decks. Thusly a lot of these are likely sitting in people's collections collecting dust from years of not having any significant value. Its not like shops were exactly out there offering much for them. With this latest buyout due to.... I think I saw someone mention another color combo for an Eldrazi deck?... now openly available supply just went poof and with decent demand for the first time in ages, we're seeing a monster spike.
Will the card remain above $10 for any length of time once people realize the price has spiked and they start offloading their pain-lands for possibly as much as 10x what they originally paid for them? I'm kind of doubtful, but we'll have to wait and see.
Long explanation short: Allied pain-lands haven't been reprinted since 10th edition, without a mass non-old-core-set printing (5th, 6th, 7th, 9th, 10th combined probably don't add nearly as much supply as some people may think) since Ice Age (20 years ago....) Going from low demand to suddenly high demand is going to cause a spike, and in this case increased by a buyout only makes the spike (at least temporarily) even larger.
STOP using "dude/bro" as a pejorative or insult. Grow up.
Margaret Thatcher: “The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.”
Benjamin Franklin: "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."
Martin Luther King Jr.: "I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin, but by the content of their character."