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What happened to Kira and Spellskite? Maybe this is old news and I just missed it, but I don't recall Spellskite being 40 and Kira being 15.
Kira got promoted to Colonel and took over Terok Nor ...
Oh, that Kira? That card has been gradually climbing for the last year, trying to recover from its MMA printing. I don['t think that it's a Modern thing.
Spellskite is a recent thing (last couple weeks) - that shot up because we're gearing up for Modern, and it's a hugely played card in Modern.
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Foil Raging Ravine from 28 to a whopping 100 a few days ago, already going down a bit, but it`s probably going to stay high. Non-foil strangely unchanged.
Foil Kolaghan`s Command from 28 yesterday to 76. I own a few, so I almost fell off my chair just now. Non-foil only up a few dollars.
Inquisition of Kozilek from 14 to 23, foils from 60-ish to almost 200 now.
What the hell is going on?
Edit: Foil Blackcleave Cliffs doubled from begynning of the holidays.
Foil Raging Ravine from 28 to a whopping 100 a few days ago, already going down a bit, but it`s probably going to stay high. Non-foil strangely unchanged.
Foil Kolaghan`s Command from 28 yesterday to 76. I own a few, so I almost fell off my chair just now. Non-foil only up a few dollars.
Inquisition of Kozilek from 14 to 23, foils from 60-ish to almost 200 now.
What the hell is going on?
Edit: Foil Blackcleave Cliffs doubled from begynning of the holidays.
Modern season is picking up, and with a new set coming out, a new deck in the meta (Bx Eldrazi Processors), and the prospect of a banning/unbanning, there's a ton of volatility at the moment.
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AFAIK, the heartless summoning spike happened because a B/x eldrazi deck at a relatively large event managed to power out a turn 4 emrakul (on camera I believe). Apparently, it was a god hand but it's enough to set off a wave of buyouts similar to fist of suns not too long ago.
Spellskite from 25 to 40 a few days ago.
Foil Kolaghan`s Command from 28 yesterday to 76. I own a few, so I almost fell off my chair just now. Non-foil only up a few dollars.
Still 22-33 euros on MCM with quite a few available. non-foils are 15 euro.
Yeah, I`m starting to wonder how "real" these prices are. They are expensive on TCGplayer, which makes them look expensive on sites such as MTGGoldfish, while they are still widely available at the old price on sites such as MCM. Is it a false spike that will drop again, or is it just a matter of time before they are not available at the old price anymore and the new price sticks? I.e. will I ever be able to sell my foil Kommands and Smiters at these stupidly inflated prices?
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Spellskite from 25 to 40 a few days ago.
Foil Kolaghan`s Command from 28 yesterday to 76. I own a few, so I almost fell off my chair just now. Non-foil only up a few dollars.
Still 22-33 euros on MCM with quite a few available. non-foils are 15 euro.
Yeah, I`m starting to wonder how "real" these prices are. They are expensive on TCGplayer, which makes them look expensive on sites such as MTGGoldfish, while they are still widely available at the old price on sites such as MCM. Is it a false spike that will drop again, or is it just a matter of time before they are not available at the old price anymore and the new price sticks? I.e. will I ever be able to sell my foil Kommands and Smiters at these stupidly inflated prices?
Part of the trouble with using MCM to compare prices, is that certain parts of the world (including of course the US) is excluded from being able to buy from MCM and as such the prices often are slower to adjust when a spike does happen in the US or elsewhere. That's not to say the prices in the US and elsewhere post-spike wont drop back down to more reasonable levels eventually, but to me its more important to compare prices from similar potential demand pools. In this case comparing tcgplayer to ebay to other online stores all of which can be purchased from, from buyers within the US and potentially elsewhere.
I did some checking on tcgplayer and ebay. Looks like there are still no foil copies available on ebay, and you can find the NM foil copies as low as about $50 on tcgplayer now (not surprising as more supply gets added back after the buyout occurred that the price would begin to drop back down some at least). The regular copies seem to be available in multiples for as low as about $15 shipped.
I took a chance and picked up a foil Inquisiton of Kozilek I could find at the pre-spike price. I don`t expect it to stay at its current TCGplayer price of $200, or even stay a lot above $100-ish for long, but I don`t see it going all the way back down either. Should be a decent pickup.
I took a chance and picked up a foil Inquisiton of Kozilek I could find at the pre-spike price. I don`t expect it to stay at its current TCGplayer price of $200, or even stay a lot above $100-ish for long, but I don`t see it going all the way back down either. Should be a decent pickup.
Yeah, I've noticed the regular copies of inquisition (after spiking up from about $12.50 per for a playset price of $50, up to $25 per for a playset price of $100) are definitely trending down. You can now find NM playsets on ebay for under $80. I suspect we may see the NM prices settle back down at around $18 or so each, and the EX/Played copies at around $15 or so each, still a decent increase, but not the doubling we saw initially. As for foils, I don't see how $200 (or anything close to it) would be sustainable. I could see perhaps somewhere in the ballpark of $100, simply due to the fact that the only foil copies available are from a single set that was printed nearly 6 years ago right when the playerbase was beginning its initial spike and from a set that compared to many printed since then didn't sell nearly as well as some of the others. And from looking at ebay, it looks like you can find the NM foils for as low as about $115 for buy it nows now, so its definitely starting to come back down to earth. Settling somewhere between $80-$100 seems reasonable for the foils simply due to the lack of any sort of foil reprint in the last 6 years to be able to add back to supply.
Man, $40 Spellskites. That was one Modern card that I kept telling myself I was going to hold onto, but at $40 a pop it's really tempting to just get rid of them. I only have one Modern deck at the moment (Mono U tron) and unless Wizards does something drastic it looks like I'm priced out of Modern for the foreseeable future. Should I just go ahead and trade off the two Spellskites I have? Any chance they'll go even higher than $40?
Should I go ahead and trade off the last Inquisition of Kozilek I have (had it in my Tiny Leaders deck that I haven't used in forever) or would you guys expect it to go back up again once Modern season fully kicks off?
Man, $40 Spellskites. That was one Modern card that I kept telling myself I was going to hold onto, but at $40 a pop it's really tempting to just get rid of them. I only have one Modern deck at the moment (Mono U tron) and unless Wizards does something drastic it looks like I'm priced out of Modern for the foreseeable future. Should I just go ahead and trade off the two Spellskites I have? Any chance they'll go even higher than $40?
Should I go ahead and trade off the last Inquisition of Kozilek I have (had it in my Tiny Leaders deck that I haven't used in forever) or would you guys expect it to go back up again once Modern season fully kicks off?
you should keep Inquisition of Kozilek for a little longer, to let the backlash from the hype settle down.
Thanks! Wouldn't letting the backlash settle be bad though? It spiked to $50+ but now it's dipped down to half that.
Also what happened with Wall of Omens the other day? It looked like someone attempted a buyout? I sent off a playset to someone on Pucatrade at about 400 points ($4) a piece, then the next day I look again and all versions are 900 points so I quickly shipped off the other two I had. When I looked on TCG they appeared to be nearly sold out, but when I looked again there were quite a few in the $5 range. What deck plays this card to make it so valuable? Especially after so many printings.
Thanks! Wouldn't letting the backlash settle be bad though? It spiked to $50+ but now it's dipped down to half that.
Also what happened with Wall of Omens the other day? It looked like someone attempted a buyout? I sent off a playset to someone on Pucatrade at about 400 points ($4) a piece, then the next day I look again and all versions are 900 points so I quickly shipped off the other two I had. When I looked on TCG they appeared to be nearly sold out, but when I looked again there were quite a few in the $5 range. What deck plays this card to make it so valuable? Especially after so many printings.
I honestly don't know about why wall of omens spiked, but it jumping briefly and then coming back down due to people realizing the spike and getting theirs up for at least some more than they had them listed at before tends to be how that sort of thing goes.
As for Inquisition, the NM copies actually only spiked to $30 on ebay ($100 for NM playsets), and has since come back down to about $20-$25 ($80 for NM playsets). I suspect it will eventually settle at about $20 per single copy and $70 for a playset for NM copies. I cant speak for long-term though, I know myself and likely lots of others have been offloading their copies of the cards quickly in order to try to get as much as possible out of them. Once that supply is exhausted I could see it coming back up again, but that really depends on how long the downward pressure and additional supply can last. One thing to take into consideration as well, is that additional supply from the modern event decks selling out below a certain price that day will also add to the increased supply until they are gone, but new supply is unlikely to be significantly added from them, especially with the price on them having jumped about $20 while with inqusitions at say, $20 each, the addition to their value is actually less than that, so people buying them up to re-sell the singles will be lessened as a result in the longer term unless they too start coming back down. We'll just have to wait and see.
Basically while holding onto them may lead to being able to get more in the long term, it could take a while before we get to that point and in the meantime downward pressure could drive the price down even further from where they are now. (Personally I'm selling mine and am just happy to get more than the $12 each (or less) I was getting before the spike).
Will Kiki-Jiki (Twin) and Azusa (Totan Bloom) explode in price now that the main combo pieces are now banned? Or are those decks as good as dead?
Honesty I expect both to increase a decent amount as people attempt to try to salvage their decks and at least test the possibility that the decks can work with the replacement cards. Looks like Kiki Jiki has already begun to increase, if fairly slowly thus far, some of the cheapest copies have gotten bought out from tcgplayer and ebay respectively. As more people realize the banning, I expect we could see it increase further but time will tell there. Azusa will be interesting as well. Its a turn slower and only gives you 2 extra lands instead of 3, which, could still lead to a potentially explosive deck, but certainly a slower one, I guess we'll just have to wait and see. The trouble is, with it being as high as it is, and with the card its replacing having been an uncommon (even if it was a $3-$4 uncommon), the idea of paying 10x as much for the potential replacement card could push of a lot of people out from even bothering to try it.
Once again, I guess we will just have to wait and see how things play out.
Should selling Spellskite be a priority? I know it's useful in a lot of matchups (infect vs removal heavy, other decks vs infect), but primarily it featured so heavily in s/b because it really hurts Splinter Twin.
I just can't believe they finally banned twin. I don't see what's different now than a year ago or two years ago or three years ago. Twin has always been dominant. I guess with Pod gone, they just took whatever was being played the most and banned a piece of it. If that's their long term ban strategy...ugh. Why even play the best deck in Modern if it'll get the ban "sometime in the future".
I think Kiki-Jiki can only increase on the long term because there is nothing else with similar effect than Splinter, plus Kiki-Jiki is the main piece in plenty of viable decks that might get even more competitive with the banlist.
I bought a couple of them randomly couple of days ago on MTGO, they were less than 3tix a piece and there was a huge stock of them. Now there are no stocks anymore, and price is skyrocketing.
Should selling Spellskite be a priority? I know it's useful in a lot of matchups (infect vs removal heavy, other decks vs infect), but primarily it featured so heavily in s/b because it really hurts Splinter Twin.
I just can't believe they finally banned twin. I don't see what's different now than a year ago or two years ago or three years ago. Twin has always been dominant. I guess with Pod gone, they just took whatever was being played the most and banned a piece of it. If that's their long term ban strategy...ugh. Why even play the best deck in Modern if it'll get the ban "sometime in the future".
The problem I have with the sentiment is exactly this. Why buy into the best deck if I will just lose money. There will always be a best deck that is slightly better than the rest of the decks and there will always be a deck that is on the chopping block. And the twin ban in terms of meta distribution was only slightly higher than affinity of burn or grixis or bgx. The fact the justification was meta participation is just wrong and scary.
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Looks like Kiki-Jiki is getting bought out at least on ebay (Lowest buy it now singles are about $17 shipped, and lowest playset is now a crazy $100 shipped. Looking at Tcgplayer, the lowest price there for NM copies seems to be up to about $14 shipped on the lower end (for NM copies in both cases of ebay/tcgplayer).
Azusa doesn't seem to have moved much, though perhaps a slight increase since last night, not really as surprising given how high it was to start with.
As expected, splinter twin has tanked from about $10 down to about $4-$5 now, Amulet of Vigor seems to be fairly stable vs what it was at pre-summer bloom banning. Stoneforge Mystic seems to have dropped slightly from about $30 before the update to about $25 on the lower end of NM prices (likely as some were hoping to see it unbanned and then it wasn't.)
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Not sure what the ceiling on that card is, but it really seemed like a no brainer; just a matter of time before something would break HS open.
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Kira got promoted to Colonel and took over Terok Nor ...
Oh, that Kira? That card has been gradually climbing for the last year, trying to recover from its MMA printing. I don['t think that it's a Modern thing.
Spellskite is a recent thing (last couple weeks) - that shot up because we're gearing up for Modern, and it's a hugely played card in Modern.
woot, found my old copies from when I tried to build a janky deck around that card when it was in standard. Some foils too!
I think it's due to that BW Eldrazi deck.
Foil Raging Ravine from 28 to a whopping 100 a few days ago, already going down a bit, but it`s probably going to stay high. Non-foil strangely unchanged.
Foil Kolaghan`s Command from 28 yesterday to 76. I own a few, so I almost fell off my chair just now. Non-foil only up a few dollars.
Inquisition of Kozilek from 14 to 23, foils from 60-ish to almost 200 now.
What the hell is going on?
Edit: Foil Blackcleave Cliffs doubled from begynning of the holidays.
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Modern season is picking up, and with a new set coming out, a new deck in the meta (Bx Eldrazi Processors), and the prospect of a banning/unbanning, there's a ton of volatility at the moment.
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Part of the trouble with using MCM to compare prices, is that certain parts of the world (including of course the US) is excluded from being able to buy from MCM and as such the prices often are slower to adjust when a spike does happen in the US or elsewhere. That's not to say the prices in the US and elsewhere post-spike wont drop back down to more reasonable levels eventually, but to me its more important to compare prices from similar potential demand pools. In this case comparing tcgplayer to ebay to other online stores all of which can be purchased from, from buyers within the US and potentially elsewhere.
I did some checking on tcgplayer and ebay. Looks like there are still no foil copies available on ebay, and you can find the NM foil copies as low as about $50 on tcgplayer now (not surprising as more supply gets added back after the buyout occurred that the price would begin to drop back down some at least). The regular copies seem to be available in multiples for as low as about $15 shipped.
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Yeah, I've noticed the regular copies of inquisition (after spiking up from about $12.50 per for a playset price of $50, up to $25 per for a playset price of $100) are definitely trending down. You can now find NM playsets on ebay for under $80. I suspect we may see the NM prices settle back down at around $18 or so each, and the EX/Played copies at around $15 or so each, still a decent increase, but not the doubling we saw initially. As for foils, I don't see how $200 (or anything close to it) would be sustainable. I could see perhaps somewhere in the ballpark of $100, simply due to the fact that the only foil copies available are from a single set that was printed nearly 6 years ago right when the playerbase was beginning its initial spike and from a set that compared to many printed since then didn't sell nearly as well as some of the others. And from looking at ebay, it looks like you can find the NM foils for as low as about $115 for buy it nows now, so its definitely starting to come back down to earth. Settling somewhere between $80-$100 seems reasonable for the foils simply due to the lack of any sort of foil reprint in the last 6 years to be able to add back to supply.
Should I go ahead and trade off the last Inquisition of Kozilek I have (had it in my Tiny Leaders deck that I haven't used in forever) or would you guys expect it to go back up again once Modern season fully kicks off?
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you should keep Inquisition of Kozilek for a little longer, to let the backlash from the hype settle down.
Also what happened with Wall of Omens the other day? It looked like someone attempted a buyout? I sent off a playset to someone on Pucatrade at about 400 points ($4) a piece, then the next day I look again and all versions are 900 points so I quickly shipped off the other two I had. When I looked on TCG they appeared to be nearly sold out, but when I looked again there were quite a few in the $5 range. What deck plays this card to make it so valuable? Especially after so many printings.
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I honestly don't know about why wall of omens spiked, but it jumping briefly and then coming back down due to people realizing the spike and getting theirs up for at least some more than they had them listed at before tends to be how that sort of thing goes.
As for Inquisition, the NM copies actually only spiked to $30 on ebay ($100 for NM playsets), and has since come back down to about $20-$25 ($80 for NM playsets). I suspect it will eventually settle at about $20 per single copy and $70 for a playset for NM copies. I cant speak for long-term though, I know myself and likely lots of others have been offloading their copies of the cards quickly in order to try to get as much as possible out of them. Once that supply is exhausted I could see it coming back up again, but that really depends on how long the downward pressure and additional supply can last. One thing to take into consideration as well, is that additional supply from the modern event decks selling out below a certain price that day will also add to the increased supply until they are gone, but new supply is unlikely to be significantly added from them, especially with the price on them having jumped about $20 while with inqusitions at say, $20 each, the addition to their value is actually less than that, so people buying them up to re-sell the singles will be lessened as a result in the longer term unless they too start coming back down. We'll just have to wait and see.
Basically while holding onto them may lead to being able to get more in the long term, it could take a while before we get to that point and in the meantime downward pressure could drive the price down even further from where they are now. (Personally I'm selling mine and am just happy to get more than the $12 each (or less) I was getting before the spike).
Honesty I expect both to increase a decent amount as people attempt to try to salvage their decks and at least test the possibility that the decks can work with the replacement cards. Looks like Kiki Jiki has already begun to increase, if fairly slowly thus far, some of the cheapest copies have gotten bought out from tcgplayer and ebay respectively. As more people realize the banning, I expect we could see it increase further but time will tell there. Azusa will be interesting as well. Its a turn slower and only gives you 2 extra lands instead of 3, which, could still lead to a potentially explosive deck, but certainly a slower one, I guess we'll just have to wait and see. The trouble is, with it being as high as it is, and with the card its replacing having been an uncommon (even if it was a $3-$4 uncommon), the idea of paying 10x as much for the potential replacement card could push of a lot of people out from even bothering to try it.
Once again, I guess we will just have to wait and see how things play out.
I just can't believe they finally banned twin. I don't see what's different now than a year ago or two years ago or three years ago. Twin has always been dominant. I guess with Pod gone, they just took whatever was being played the most and banned a piece of it. If that's their long term ban strategy...ugh. Why even play the best deck in Modern if it'll get the ban "sometime in the future".
I bought a couple of them randomly couple of days ago on MTGO, they were less than 3tix a piece and there was a huge stock of them. Now there are no stocks anymore, and price is skyrocketing.
The problem I have with the sentiment is exactly this. Why buy into the best deck if I will just lose money. There will always be a best deck that is slightly better than the rest of the decks and there will always be a deck that is on the chopping block. And the twin ban in terms of meta distribution was only slightly higher than affinity of burn or grixis or bgx. The fact the justification was meta participation is just wrong and scary.
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Azusa doesn't seem to have moved much, though perhaps a slight increase since last night, not really as surprising given how high it was to start with.
As expected, splinter twin has tanked from about $10 down to about $4-$5 now, Amulet of Vigor seems to be fairly stable vs what it was at pre-summer bloom banning. Stoneforge Mystic seems to have dropped slightly from about $30 before the update to about $25 on the lower end of NM prices (likely as some were hoping to see it unbanned and then it wasn't.)
Karn Liberated seems to have risen a bit since the update. Lower end of NM on those has risen to about $55 with foils up to around $70 now.